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	Yeah, it's a bit of a special treat.
	This is not exactly a multi-person studio.
	No.
	But we're doing it anyway.
	And so we have James.
	Hello.
	In the very confident manly pink.
	We have Jared.
	We have the guy without facial hair and the young lady without facial hair.
	I mean, I don't want to have facial hair.
	Oh, stop being so prejudicial.
	Oh.
	We started everywhere but there.
	I keep forgetting that on Locals, you've got to start it separately.
	Anyway, so yes, we are here.
	We're live on Rumble on Locals, Country on the Platforms, just for those of us who've joined a little later.
	Child-ish off camera.
	Child-ish on camera.
	We have Garrett and James.
	So this is actually, there's myself, Izzy,
	Garrett and James.
	And, uh, sorry, James, don't mean to occlude you too much there.
	I'll be, I'll be nipple height for James.
	There you go.
	That way he can contact HR.
	So, uh, yeah, this is, this is the team.
	So, um, if you guys would like to introduce yourselves a little, I guess people know you fairly well.
	Oh yeah.
	I'm a, uh, a child.
	Okay, yeah, well, I guess everyone knows me, but I'm basically Izzy.
	That one's Offscreen.
	So, there we go.
	That's me.
	I'm Jared.
	I, uh, found the show in 2012-ish and 2013-ish.
	And, and thanks to Steph, that's also about the time period I got into Bitcoin.
	And, uh, yeah.
	Wait, what's that?
	Yeah.
	Bitcoin?
	Absolutely.
	I've heard of that.
	What's Bitcoin?
	Here and there.
	All right.
	You know, it's a thing.
	It's a thing.
	Uh, yeah, started on the show a long time ago.
	Always been into it and around it, loved it.
	And, uh.
	But then you betrayed it.
	Tell me more.
	Tazos.
	Well, that's not... I know.
	It's all crypto.
	But you know, for the purists, it's betrayal.
	And so you've been working here or with us a little over a year?
	About a year.
	A year.
	And actually, interestingly enough, he's been working here for a year and his Napoleon presentation would have been about a year and a half to record.
	So I don't know how you can press that in, but that's something which we still have on the back burner, but it's quite a bit.
	One page a day.
	One page a day.
	What were you saying?
	Oh gosh, it was some book or some movie you're talking about.
	Oh yeah, where it's like one of my presentations.
	No, no, Dune.
	We're talking about Dune because we're going to go watch that tonight.
	Yeah.
	And it's talking about the, how it's like six books and all that's so much time and investment and stuff like that.
	I was like, yeah, it's kind of like one of my, my presentations.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I'm and james i'm gosh okay let's let's go back to the year we first met cuz you read some of the only barbecue i was so yeah i am james.
	You may have heard me on such podcast as the one i've been calling on and also are like reading off.
	Emails and stuff so yes that's not know each other since two thousand seven.
	Hmm.
	Yeah.
	17 years, 16 years, right?
	Yeah.
	2007.
	Yeah.
	2007, May 2007 when I started listening.
	Um, when he was only, no kidding.
	No, no, no.
	See, when I was only this wide.
	Oh yeah.
	You want to tell them a little bit about the, well, okay.
	So you've been working about six months.
	Oh yeah, no, so working now part-time for about six months.
	But over the years, I've been working, helping out with tech work and, you know, the FDR podcast site, you know, in collaboration with others, but I've been doing the back-end side of things.
	You're back to the old message board, right?
	Oh yeah.
	Adding a lot of that stuff.
	Yeah, so we had someone early on, you mentioned, right?
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	So Bill set up the original website community server and the free domain website and then brought it into my sort of thing.
	I sort of brought it over to other websites and eventually WordPress.
	And then, you know, we had the other forums and the premium content, which, you know, Jared is releasing, re-releasing for us.
	Resurrecting!
	Yeah, resurrecting!
	And also, by the way, thank you to those of you out there who have given us your archives.
	It's been very, very wonderful to have all that.
	Oh, yes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So uh yeah uh oh and just really brief on the thing if you've seen me in the past and you've seen me in real life I was like uh well I clocked in at my max over like over 300 pounds um and that's when Steph probably met me around like 290 280s whatever so um in the past several months um
	I didn't address this earlier, but I got myself down to right now I'm going to take two teens, maybe 220, whatever.
	But yeah, the goal is like 200.
	So if you're really interested, we can talk a little bit about that, but I don't want to make it all about the weight loss thing.
	But it's been very good because I feel much more better.
	Well, and it's a funny thing, too, because we talk about the non-aggression principle, but the instigating factor for the weight loss was actually something to do with like
	For heaven's sakes, Jess, loose!
	You know, like you have to be on patience and all of that.
	It's actually kind of kicked off and worked out.
	So, just wanted everyone to know, this is the team.
	James is handling a lot of the tech backbone and all that kind of stuff and releasing the shows and Jared... I don't know, I'm just kidding.
	Handling a lot of the premium shows, getting those resurrected, brought back.
	Some R&D research.
	A helpful guinea pig for a piece of parenting.
	Yeah, a guinea pig for a piece of parenting.
	That's right.
	AI work.
	You know, you've done a lot of AI research and bringing that up.
	Yes, that's right.
	And the thumbnail.
	The thumbnails.
	Oh, they're brilliant thumbnails.
	They're just fantastic.
	Yeah.
	I can't even tell you how much Mike used to work on those thumbnails.
	And the fact that they can be done so efficiently now is fantastic.
	And they're amazing tools to help.
	Yeah.
	And, but, and you also found this amazing, uh, or phonics place, which we're, uh, using to process the shows and that's taking a lot of time out of the audio processing.
	It's fantastic.
	Yeah.
	It's amazing how, how, uh, how good of a job it can do.
	Yeah.
	Automated.
	Yeah.
	So yeah, it's really, really efficient.
	This is why we're able to get shows out at such a blistering pace and respond to all of this kind of stuff.
	And let's see here.
	If you're hiring staff, I'd love to submit my services for review.
	Uh, support at free domain.com.
	That is absolutely true.
	Yeah.
	If you want to, if you are interested, can you listen, if you can add value, you know, we'd love to talk.
	So, um, uh, support and free domain.com and Jared, we'll have a look at it.
	And, uh, he's the gatekeeper whose ego you will have to massage to get any further.
	Just be glad it's not mine.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	No, I'm really glad you mentioned that because, uh, so you want to mention the support.
	It's something recently we set that up.
	And so whatever, whatever question you got, don't care.
	Support at freedomain.com.
	Uh, and if you want a call-in it's freedomain.com forward slash call.
	And if you want to get prepared for a call and if you've got a call on your schedule for a call in freedomain.com forward slash prep, it's got a bunch of the basics, technical, this and that.
	And at the end of the day, if you need someone to help.
	Hop on, tell you how your audio is, your mic, all that, whatever.
	Again, support at freedomain.com and you can find me all throughout the community.
	I'm not hard to find on the internet.
	I'd like to mention something about the replies.
	We have someone saying, wow, three hosts.
	Go off, go off.
	Just because I'm not on screen does not mean I don't exist.
	I mean, that's all I'm saying.
	Just hateful towards invisible people.
	That's all I'm getting out of it.
	Well, and I think one of the reasons why this... His name is literally clear tape.
	He's used to invisible things.
	Well, and so one of the things that Isabella, I think, is quite sensitive to about being seen, you didn't end up, and this is really more mom's fault than anything, but you didn't end up being quite as tall.
	I'm like barely scraping by on 5'3".
	I'm pretty sure I'm rounding up for that.
	She's not off camera.
	She's actually standing.
	No, the reason my hand is here is because I'm literally sitting on a high chair.
	Yes, yes.
	So, your friends who tend to be of the masculine persuasion are all approximately 19 feet tall.
	Maybe 20.
	Yeah, no, they're like crazy tall guys and they will...
	They call me a midget.
	This one guy was like, hey, you know, let's look up what the shortest midget is and see if you're shorter.
	No, the tallest.
	The tallest midget.
	The tallest midget and see if you're shorter.
	Apparently, I am shorter than the tallest person who has dwarfism, which is not good for my ego.
	But still taller than mom.
	And if it's any consolation, I'm standing slightly forward so I don't look like a midget next to these two man giants.
	And they basically cornered me.
	I had to hire them because they're frightening.
	Yeah, terrifying.
	And the other thing... Get what you want.
	The other thing is I think because Izzy, your friends are so much taller, when you're out at recreational activities with them and they're moving from place to place... I've been missed in the head counts!
	Yeah, like they literally, there's no chivalry.
	Every person for himself.
	And if you're not an eyeline, forget it.
	I had a coffee and I'm like, oh guys, I'm going to throw this out before we go to this place.
	And like, they're like, okay.
	I come back, the garbage may be 10 feet away.
	I turn around, they're gone.
	They're not exactly maried.
	Everyone left behind.
	Keep up or get gone.
	All right.
	Has Steph ever had someone on a show like this before?
	No.
	So, um, the clear tape we are accepting apologies for.
	Um, let's see.
	Yeah.
	I used to have Mike.
	Uh, yeah.
	Uh, congrats on losing all of that.
	Wait, are they talking about my hair?
	Oh, no.
	Sorry.
	You're right.
	Yeah.
	Probably.
	That's hello.
	Actually it would be about a hundred pounds now.
	Congrats.
	Uh, down a hundred pounds, right?
	Yeah.
	Um, we've kept it and we're going to fashion another host.
	Um, it might be kind of squishy.
	A huge accomplishment.
	Looking good, James?
	Gerald and James?
	Gerald?
	Where's a Gerald?
	There is a Gerald right there.
	At least it's not clear tape getting something else wrong.
	Excellent.
	All right.
	So James, you get James.
	I get Steven, Stefanovic, Stephanie.
	Jerry.
	Jerry?
	You get Jerry?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	It's really hard to mess up James.
	Yeah, it is a little tricky to mess up James.
	Oh yeah, I don't care.
	I'm not actually offended.
	Sorry Izzy, I didn't see you before I said that.
	I don't care.
	Honestly, it's funny.
	I'm the alternative rock band from the 90s.
	I can kind of see that.
	Why are we here today?
	That's a philosophical question.
	We got Gerald.
	Okay.
	Uh, Gerald?
	Nice.
	Oh, that's, that's a good matchup.
	You guys look like an alternative rock band from the eighties.
	Wait a minute.
	Okay.
	Hang on.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	So what I need to do is know, do we look like we're currently in the nineties or do we look like an aged rock band from the nineties?
	That's a, that's a tough question.
	Another question.
	Sorry Izzy, I didn't hear you before I sent that.
	I know, I'm not offended.
	No, but she waved the hand.
	Do the hand.
	There you go.
	Do the hand.
	Thank you for the team at FDR.
	Oh, thank you.
	Yeah, so just by, by, you know, if you tip, uh, if you tip and you support the show, uh, you're keeping, uh, um, Jared and hair gel.
	It's fairly crunchy, right?
	Ground beef.
	Yeah.
	Brown beef is your hair?
	That's the secret!
	No wonder the dogs keep following you and the seagulls are attacking your eyeball.
	I do still need to eat.
	Yes, but you're in every... Steph would be the drummer.
	Hey, that's enough Phil Collins jokes from everyone.
	Hank Matthews band?
	All right.
	All right, let's see what else.
	Who are those two handsome fa... ooh.
	Two handsome fellows.
	Are you talking about me?
	No.
	Unfortunately, I recognize the name and it's not of the female persuasion.
	Two out of three ain't bad, I guess.
	It's these two.
	All right.
	So let's see, what else have we got here?
	REM, Pearl Jam.
	I think they get a little stuck.
	Are they just trying to pick, I mean, I know of Dave Matthews, but just trying to pick bands with like bald guys.
	I don't get it.
	So Michael Stike from REM.
	Yeah.
	Bald.
	I mean, there's Phil Collins, I didn't mention.
	Oh, the guy, 1979, Smashing Pumpkins, Billy Corgan.
	He's bald, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	But he's bald like giant thumb bald, like undifferentiated head space bald.
	Like, it's fine to be bald if you've got a bit of a jaw and you don't, I don't know if he's overweight or whatever, but he's just a bit puddin' head.
	And bald plus puddin' head is a bad combo.
	Stone Temple Pilots, they don't even have bald people.
	Well, you know what?
	They might now.
	Oh, there's someone who asked how much for the three philosophers to take their shirts off.
	Well, everything's negotiable.
	We can figure this out.
	This is going to give you guys flashbacks of the job interview process.
	Right.
	I'm going to need to see some nipples before I get it.
	I've been working on my Ninja Turtle.
	Because I run the HR department, basically it's a free for all.
	Please no.
	Look, you know, he's only saying no because it's too intimidating.
	He's only saying no.
	Not my, honestly, I'm not into it.
	Another five pounds, maybe.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Another five pounds.
	Good to see you guys alive in real life.
	Yeah, so if you have questions or comments, we're all here and we're happy to chat if you have questions for Izzy, such as, do you even exist?
	No, I'm actually just the voice in the computer.
	Figment of our imagination.
	Yeah, AI's doing pretty good recently.
	I don't think they can handle this kind of spice.
	Wait, that's the entire plot of Dune if I remember rightly.
	Are we trying to rip on Dune with Jared here?
	It's not going to work.
	Now you're talking and got my attention.
	We have a conflicted relationship.
	Now, when you think back on Dune, because there were six books, is that right?
	If I recall correctly.
	And wasn't he like seven years between books?
	Was he like George R.R.
	Martin levels of productivity?
	I haven't gotten into that depth of it.
	Of this group, I'm not the superior Dune geek, but of this group, I probably am the most familiar with.
	And when you got into it, did you get into it like right away or did it take a while or did it grab your first page?
	So I played the first real-time strategy game, Doom II, when I was nine years old and that is what hooked me.
	So you played the game first?
	And the game really had like actually nothing to do with this, very virtually little to do with the story, but it really got me, I just had a really positive experience of the game.
	I really enjoyed it.
	Then I learned there was a movie eventually.
	Oh, wait, that's a movie?
	Yeah.
	And I was 13.
	I think my parents mentioned it.
	My mom was like, you know, your dad wouldn't watch that.
	And, uh, once I learned there was a movie, I'm like, well, I've got to watch the movie.
	So I watched the movie and it was really weird.
	That's the David Lynch one with Sting and uh, yeah, yeah.
	But I'm also one of those people that I, I liked the 1984.
	There were some things that deviated from the story, which I hate, but all other things considered, I'm like, this is kind of weird, kind of neat, interesting.
	There was something about it I did like.
	Yeah.
	And so that was, and then I read the book when I was 15 and I was never like, this is the most amazing, best thing ever.
	But of all the media and stuff I had to compare it to, I'm like, this is pretty good.
	So just for those of you who've been keeping track at home, approximately three days ago, I asked Jared how he enjoyed the book.
	And so far we've gone from nine to 15 before we get to, did you enjoy the book?
	I don't know if you've noticed.
	I don't know if you've noticed this like me entering.
	Nine parts of the French revolution.
	No, this is like, this is like, yeah, this is like going to, um, the, the, uh, Peter Jackson.
	And say, you know, we've got this book.
	It's really short.
	It's called The Hobbit.
	And he's like, I got four movies out of this, no problem.
	I have that spirit.
	Yeah.
	Well, when I was nine, anyway.
	Beginning of the Earth.
	No, I'll go back to Putin meme.
	And I'll watch like original truth abouts.
	What was the most recent one I watched?
	These are concise.
	It's like everything was done in 15 minutes.
	I'm like, oh my God.
	Yes.
	And, and to, to meet someone with less of a filter than I, it's really quite a remarkable experience.
	Um, how do I breeze the bars?
	Nevermind.
	So let me just ask you again, when you started reading the books, did they grab you right away or?
	Grabbed me right away.
	Now what's interesting is that you like the books in part because of the lore and the backstory.
	And then when I asked you about the book, what did I get?
	Lore and backstory.
	Exactly.
	Beautiful.
	All right.
	Um, now, but the true lore addict here.
	I didn't even know the genre existed.
	I really didn't.
	Well, like video game lore and stuff?
	Video game lore.
	So apparently you can have Pac-Man and you have to have 19 generations of Pac-Man backstory.
	So tell me a little bit about lore.
	Like as if I knew nothing, because I don't much, no much.
	So basically, especially this is a big thing with a lot of new video games specifically, and that's the one I'm kind of into the most.
	I just find it interesting to like watch videos on and like look into and stuff.
	But especially recently, I'd say it was in like the last five to ten years with maybe the big games like Five Nights at Freddy's probably being the ones to kick, to start this whole thing.
	That was the first one?
	That was the first one, like indie horror games.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Interesting.
	And after that, when people saw how big of a hit it was, because, you know, people really got into it, partly because the gameplay was hooking, and also partly because, like, the story and the lore got the interest of a whole bunch of, like, teenagers and young people and stuff like that, right?
	Which is, I think, why, because obviously you can only play that little scenario so many times because it's a very simple game, but I think it's the backstory that got people really hooked on it.
	So a lot of other game developers I think saw the success of Five Nights at Freddy's as the main example and started also making horror games with very complex backstories that were hard to figure out.
	But did Five Nights at Freddy's have within it embedded a bunch of backstory or did people just create it based on little clues?
	Basically there was I believe an original like backstory that was very simple and then once the game started getting popular the creator Scott Cawthon
	Was like oh well if I should expand on this backstory and make it like a real thing.
	Right right.
	So there already was a bit but it's when it gained popularity I think that he really went like hey I should market this kind of which I can't don't like quote me on this because I'm not 100% sure that's just kind of what I've heard but I have no real proof or anything on that.
	But yeah, basically after that was when all the other games were like, hey, you know, let's have really complex backstories for the simple horror game and get people hooked.
	Because then all the YouTubers who come up with theories and stuff like that start, you know, looking into it.
	And it gets a lot of popularity that way.
	It's just a lot of way for people to make content off of a game.
	OK, so let me ask you this.
	Do you think that they put the backstory in or there's just random little clues that people stitched together into a backstory?
	Definitely put the backstory in.
	They definitely put the backstory in?
	Yeah, definitely.
	And like there's um, I can think maybe for a couple games that people kind of try and stitch together clues, but I'd say almost all of them.
	There's very logical evidence as to a backstory and it's not just like looking at straws.
	Nice.
	And there's a whole genre of, I wouldn't say exactly fan fiction or maybe it's fan fiction.
	Which is people writing backstories, developing histories of characters, and where the lore of the video game, does it get translated into, like, there's Among Us fanfiction, there's... But that's just stories using the... The world, right?
	...setup for Among Us, kind of, and stuff like that.
	But, yeah, there's fanfiction, but nothing really to do with the lore.
	And the lore is, here's the clue in the game that ties into this thing, and Little Nightmares is a big one for that, right?
	Little Nightmares, Poppy Playtime, and a whole bunch of others.
	Those are like the two main popular ones.
	So right now?
	It's almost, yeah, it's like a whole world that's being generated from just the video game thing, right?
	Yeah, pretty much.
	Pretty wild, sounds pretty wild.
	How did we, oh yeah, we got the lore from Dune.
	Why do you think the lore is so popular?
	Honestly, I'm not a hundred percent sure.
	I mean, it could be just because people like looking, I don't know, people like kind of coming up with a stories and stuff for games that they find interested in or like putting together puzzles.
	Cause I mean, we know like escape rooms and like puzzle solving games are very popular.
	So people might like having like, oh, I like this game and I also like stories and solving puzzles and having the two together is like a pretty popular thing.
	Could be, could be my idea.
	Somebody says, Lore is something mindless to put on to fall asleep to.
	I can see that.
	I mean, I like watching it kind of just to pass time.
	Like, you know, if I have like half an hour, I'll pull up some video about a game I've just heard about and kind of go through it.
	Like, it's not really like a hobby where it's like, oh, I'm going to devote an hour of time into this.
	It's more like, I might as well watch something on YouTube.
	So I'm just going to do that.
	And Izzy, you do have a bit of a sleep ritual which involves playing thrash metal in the middle of the night.
	Do I have that?
	I think I have that right for the story.
	It's just like ambiance noise kind of that I play because my brain always gets distracted when I'm trying to fall asleep.
	Not distracted, it gets hyper.
	Hyper, like I start thinking about it just, I don't know.
	But yeah, it's like
	I accidentally saved heavy metal songs in that playlist.
	It was like 4am, what is going on?
	Nice.
	I'm up now.
	Games are playable art.
	If there isn't lore behind the game, it's less fun.
	Lore is huge.
	Exactly.
	That's what I mean.
	It just adds so much to the story of the game.
	This is such a breath of fresh air after just finishing that.
	I was 300 pounds at 10 years old, Colin.
	Uh, let's see here.
	Uh, let's see here.
	It's, uh, uh, somebody says I'm working on a novel series myself in the process of getting my first novel published.
	Well, congratulations.
	That is a big deal.
	Well done.
	Well done.
	It's called Black and White Odyssey of Eden.
	Nice.
	Good title.
	It's a gigantic series, praying I can do a decent service to all the greats of the past, such as the writer of Dune.
	Okay.
	Good for you.
	Uh, I'm afraid I don't really have time to, to look at manuscripts, but a massive congratulations on, on that's a big, that's a big deal.
	And you know, like I've said the story before, but when I first started writing books in my teens, and then when I first wrote a real book in my twenties, um, I went back to school, like for my
	And people are like, well, what did you do this summer?
	And, you know, like I'd worked or whatever.
	And it's like, yeah, well, I wrote this book and, oh, I've always wanted to write a book.
	Oh, I'd love to write a book.
	I've always had this great idea for a book.
	And I'm like.
	Yeah.
	Like what's stopping you?
	Literally it's sitting down and writing.
	Like what's the old joke?
	Like you just sit down with a blank piece of paper until your forehead bleeds.
	Like that says.
	So it's, you know, just, I don't know, like I can understand if somebody says, you know, I've always wanted to be a professional gymnast.
	It's like, okay, it's a high barrier.
	You get a lot of stretching training, but literally if you have a pencil and a piece of paper,
	That's, that's your only barrier.
	Just sit down and start writing.
	I mean, there's no barrier to it whatsoever.
	Have you ever done where you've sat down with a pencil, the paper or the blank screen or whatever, and nothing's coming?
	I don't have to.
	You can be doing something else and it's all, you know, every, all these ideas are coming and you sit down and do it.
	And it's like, nope.
	No, I mean, occasionally I've been short of inspiration, but I don't, I would just wait till later.
	I mean, cause there's usually something that's going on there.
	But I know you mentioned like, like when you're writing your PB, you sat down, like this must be done.
	And like, I'm not getting up till it's done.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	No UPB.
	Yeah, that for sure.
	I just, I knew that it had to be, I was so annoyed at myself.
	That was self-rage.
	I was just incredibly angry at myself that I've been studying, uh, I've been studying ethics for 20 years and couldn't explain it from the ground up.
	And of course I swallowed the, so Izzy, the, uh, the objectivist argument for ethics is, you know, well, reason is, is good for men.
	Reason is how we live in the world.
	So the free flow of reason is pro-life and therefore we should allow people to reason.
	And therefore we shouldn't use force to get them to change their minds or whatever.
	Right.
	We should reason with them.
	It's not a bad argument, but it only works with rational people.
	Right.
	Cause you know, there's lots of people who make a lot of money by
	Being not reasonable, right, by being anti-rational and by being violent.
	And, you know, Angus Conn conquered most of Asia and all of that.
	And so, yeah, it was one of these things where it was like, I just kind of swallowed it like, oh, that's the answer.
	And then I can't remember, I think it was either me or somebody else who was asking those tough questions.
	It's like, well, have you ever met a politician?
	Do you know how much money they made from lying through their teeth?
	And I'm like, yeah, I guess that is, from a Darwinian standpoint, they gain a huge amount of resources.
	And alignment of interests.
	It's like, if you're an evil person, your interests are not aligned with good people.
	So I was like, OK, how do I disprove immorality from people who are profiting from it?
	Because they can say, well, it's pretty good for my life that I'm in politics, man.
	I mean, I've made a fortune.
	I'm in the history books.
	I've controlled a bunch of people's lives.
	And yes, but it's been bad for your soul.
	And it's like, I don't have a soul.
	I'm a politician.
	My genes went on.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, look at all the resources I've gathered.
	And it's like, but it's bad for society as a whole.
	And it's like, that's not how...
	Um, that's not how Darwinism works.
	Nobody sits there in the whole jungle and says, well, but if I eat too much of this, it might be bad for the ecosystem as a whole.
	Like, do you remember we watched many years ago, we watched a, uh, when you were totally at a frogs and toes, we watched this video on Australia.
	Yeah, I remember that.
	And do you remember they had some, what was it?
	There was some parasite that was eating the crops and they got these cane toads.
	Do you remember?
	Yes, the cane toads.
	It was some bug, I think, that was eating the crops.
	Yes.
	And then the cane toads completely overtook and have been an invasive species ever since.
	Yeah.
	So now they have that problem, right?
	And so, but then, so the cane toads aren't like, well, you know, if we reproduce too much, it'd be bad for the ecosystem.
	They don't do all the rabbits that just go, they eat everything and then they all starve to death.
	Right.
	So, um, there is that.
	So you're there.
	Ah, yes, but we're more than, we're more than cane toads and so on.
	It's like, but, but the, the principle still applies.
	So I was just mad.
	I felt like I'd suckered myself for 20 plus years.
	Like, Oh, isn't it so terrible when people pretend to have knowledge they don't have, you know, the whole Socratic thing.
	It's like, Oh, you know, morality, do you?
	Let me ask you three questions.
	Watch it all crumble to dust.
	And it's like, Oh, I can't believe I've been a sophist for 20 years.
	I'm so mad.
	So rage, you know, powers a lot.
	Would you say, Izzy?
	Oh yeah.
	Is that a family trait?
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	So was it ever a moment for you where it's like, look, I either come up with a theory of objective ethics, rational, secular, or give it up or give it up.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	No, I was like, if I, if I got to do this and the whole thing's nonsense, what does it look like on the other side of give it up?
	Well, I, thankfully I didn't have to fight.
	Basically frightened myself.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
	Hey, you either find an answer to this or you've wasted 20 years of your life.
	That's what kills me about people that will say that will adamantly or dismissively, whatever, say that there is no objective or universal or moral morality or ethics.
	It's like, okay, let's say you really, really did believe that.
	Wouldn't you want to, but it's people are capable of pretending that and acting it out.
	Wouldn't you want to pretend that and act it out?
	It's like, okay, you have the choice.
	Now let's say you do totally believe that there is no... I'm not, I'm not.
	This is what Izzy says to me a lot.
	You're not that good an actor.
	Would you say?
	Izzy, that's quite a common, common phrase.
	He's saying something and like, you know, he's trying and it's just not... Like a lead into a joke or something?
	It's not even a lead into a joke.
	Just yesterday, we were, we do this thing at like, um, what's it like interest or
	We have to cross the road at cross lights.
	Crosswalks, crosswalks.
	When you press the button, right, we race to do it.
	And we used to do it a lot more often, but now it's like occasionally we'll still race to- I'm aging.
	Yeah, you're aging.
	I can't lunge that much.
	Skill IQ.
	Skill IQ, that's right.
	Meantime.
	It'll be like that.
	And just like two days ago or something, we were crossing the road.
	Yep.
	And you say, hey, go look over there.
	I said, oh, look over there.
	No, you said, oh, let's go cross that way.
	Yeah.
	And it's like, I know you're not.
	Yeah, because I was just misdirecting her.
	I still won.
	I don't know if it's just like... It might have been eight minutes younger out of one.
	Maybe it's because I grew up with him, so it's like, okay, I can tell when he's trying to... Skepticism!
	It's not skepticism, exactly.
	It's more like, I can just tell when he's trying to act.
	Right.
	Because I bet to someone else, they'd be trusting and not knowing him.
	So, yeah.
	It's important to train your children in rank paranoia and suspicion of all motives.
	Um, but yeah, so, um, I'm not, so for me, it's like, if, if, if there was no answer to ethics and the whole point, like I've always said, the whole point of philosophy is ethics is one thing that it does, but nothing else does.
	So if there was no answer to ethics, philosophy is just a lie.
	And, and, and I couldn't, like, if I knew that you ever have this, you know, okay.
	You've been in a relationship, right?
	Dating relationship.
	And you just look at the person and you're like, no.
	Oh, yes, yes, yes.
	Right.
	And you have this with employers sometimes, or you had this with your last living space where it's like, I can't, I can't live in an apartment anymore with smoke of, of weed around.
	So when you just have that moment where you're just like, no, like you're kind of like, you got to do something new.
	Right.
	I had this in the business world as well.
	And I was like, I just, I just can't, I just, there's too many salespeople saying stuff that I don't believe.
	I just can't!
	As the tech guy, you know, like the salespeople are out there.
	Saying stuff, and then coming back to you and saying, we can totally do that, right?
	Like, no, I've told you a million times.
	Anyway, so, um, you, when you just get that universal no, and I got that, it's like, okay, so if I, if I don't even know what, how can I, especially cause I was right at the beginning of coming out publicly as a philosopher, like this is like proving libertarian morality, which is the foundation of UPB was like my third or fourth article.
	Uh, that I, when I came out and I was like, so if I'm going to do this, I actually have to have an answer.
	I can't, I can't just pretend.
	And I'm, as Izzy would remind you, terrible at pretending.
	Terrible.
	If I believe it, I can do it.
	If I don't believe it, it's just hollowed out nonsense.
	That's fair.
	Yeah.
	So yeah, that, I had to have an answer.
	All right.
	Somebody says, oh, their book, 350,000 words written.
	That is awesome.
	All right.
	What is the truth about Napoleon?
	I'll tell you, I think 275.
	Actually, no, the life of Napoleon, as I said at the beginning, should be shorter than the life of Napoleon.
	That's all right.
	I liked, I liked the stuff.
	I just haven't gotten around to recording it yet.
	All right.
	What have we got here?
	Okay.
	So in my defense, like this guy has his influence span 50 years, all of Europe, you know, it's like, wait, what do I leave out?
	You know, he's, he's affected so many things.
	Maybe lore is fiction for people who don't like to read books.
	I don't know.
	I mean, I like reading books.
	I just struggle to find books to read because I find a lot of them, especially at my age, like the good books or the books that I'm interested in are all for adults, kind of.
	And like the younger kid books are all for like 11 to 12 year olds and I'm just past that 15, right?
	So it's kind of difficult to find, at least for me, books to read.
	Oh, they're not woke or two adults or something, right?
	And then the problem is, the books that are around my age, there's a lot of fantasy books and also a lot of, like, teen romance books or whatever.
	Not into the romance.
	I like the fantasy, but the fantasy usually comes with very woke stuff nowadays.
	Like, the amount of times I've been, like, in the bookstore, kind of flipping through books, trying to find something, and it's like, woke, pronouns, whatever.
	I just don't want to get invested in it.
	Story doesn't have characters or morals I like.
	So I like reading and I definitely used to read a lot.
	When I find a series I like, I'm the type of person who rereads it over and over and over looking for like hidden details.
	Right, right, right.
	Again, that's more of the lore thing.
	But you have fallen in love with the characters, right?
	I mean, that's what, when I was your age, that's the same thing.
	Like when I was younger, the Wings of Fire series, I mentioned this on the other shows, that was my thing for years.
	Like that's literally the only series I would read.
	And I'd always just read it over and over and then, you know, book 11 to 15 came along and ruined it all.
	So it says here, yeah, it can be entertaining, but I usually throw on some video game lore so my mind is able to drift off to sleep.
	If the topic is too interesting, it will keep my mind awake.
	Yeah, right.
	Or you can play me at one tenth speed.
	Oh, yeah, maybe even half speed.
	Metal heads unite.
	I think that's a reference to the boy band that we are too old for.
	Video games are an interactive medium where your choices impact some of the story.
	Having deep lore changes the perspective of the player.
	Example, you fight a boss versus you kill a corrupt king.
	Yeah, I think if you can get the lore, I get more invested in the game and the story, if it's a good story.
	I can see that.
	OK, OK.
	But I still don't think you're supposed to like Lilith.
	I'm pretty sure.
	Diablo had more of a backstory, or not even backstory, so it had more of like a story than lore that you have to really look into to see.
	But yes, okay, maybe I'm not supposed to like Lilith, but she is pretty cool.
	I mean, look, she has wings and a tail!
	How can you not like her?
	I remember, uh... She looks cool!
	I remember you saying, like, I play the game for the cutscenes.
	I do play the game!
	Diablo 3 was 100%, or Diablo 4 was 100% cutscenes.
	I'm playing to get to the cutscenes because they look cool and I get to see my Clee Lilith, so... No, I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding!
	You're not supposed to want to kneel to her!
	Why not?! !
	Congrats on the weight loss.
	I have a lot of co-workers and friends who have either taken Ozempic or had sleeve surgery.
	It's a tough feat.
	Congrats again.
	So Ozempic is that stuff that makes the food sit in your belly until you get bad breath.
	Do I have that right?
	I don't know.
	I haven't looked at it.
	It's the modern shot.
	I think it's supposed to be one of those things.
	It's like a pill or some sort of medication that helps you lose weight.
	Uh, the sleeve, is that like bariatric?
	That's the bariatric.
	They remove part of your stomach or they, I guess they literally put a sleeve around your stomach or something like that.
	Oh, so it can't expand, right?
	So you get full quicker, right?
	But then if you do eat too much, it's really bad for you, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Let's see here.
	Yeah.
	Douglas Adams.
	So this is the guy who wrote Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, was famous for hating to write.
	Like he'd have these contracts and I remember reading once that his publisher locked him in a hotel room.
	And just said, like, I'm immediately going to sue you into the ground.
	I don't know what they said.
	They forced him into a hotel room, too, because he hated riding to that to that degree.
	Good God.
	Oh, yeah.
	We say, Tara says, Ozembek is a wegavik?
	I don't know if I pronounced that right.
	Oh, so it's a kind of duck.
	It causes ketosis.
	This is what causes the bad breath in the stomach.
	Yeah, ketosis will do that.
	So the diet's famous for bad breath.
	And he also said, I was very frustrated with Blizzard for how poorly they developed the gameplay.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Thank you, Blizzard.
	Uh, for Diablo 4.
	Oh, it was a button masher, right?
	Yeah, they could have done better, especially compared to the earlier games, but... I mean, well, I mean, I'm skeptical of the ketosis bad breath thing, but that could be the case for them.
	I have known people who do done keto, and they definitely have complained about bad breath.
	Like, they'll say they have it, but obviously it probably doesn't happen to everyone.
	Is Empicus used to control diabetes for someone?
	Yeah, but it's also helpful for weight loss, I think.
	Off-label things.
	Yeah.
	It's like, hey, this happens to cause weight loss.
	Now, the funny thing is that all four of us have gone on a bit of a weight loss journey.
	I mean, when I look back at Chunky Thumbstaff from The Red Room.
	Oh, The Red Room.
	I look like a frog about to consummate.
	And, um, so yeah, I mean, I've, I'm down probably about, I don't know, 25, 30 pounds for my height and you, um, uh, sorry, I didn't see you for a second there.
	Um, yes, that's right.
	I mean, you're down a lot.
	Jared, now you've never been hugely heavy, but yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, I was helping James with my buddy.
	I wanted to help him out with that, support him with that, went to the gym and, uh,
	Also, some of it for you could be, again, muscle weighs so much more than fat.
	So if you've been in the gym a lot... That's true.
	It shifts, right?
	Maybe like the scale says you lost five pounds, but you could have put on like five pounds of muscle.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	Yeah.
	So if you have questions or comments about weight loss, I mean, I find it a very interesting topic and Izzy's taught me a lot about it.
	My strategy for losing weight may not have been the best, but...
	It works.
	It works.
	30 pounds down.
	So, I mean, hey, did what needed to be done.
	Well, and I know like eventually it's going to be a problem for me.
	Like if I just don't have some kind of exercise or whatnot.
	And so it's like, even though like I can tell myself, I know I've never been overweight.
	I don't need to worry about this, but that's the exact way I'll become overweight.
	Well, it's just something my dad said many years ago where he said, you know, the problem is the two pounds a year.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Cause you know, over 30 years, you know, like 40 to 70, that's 60 pounds.
	And that's pretty wretched for your old age.
	And then of course, as you get older, weight loss becomes tougher.
	Exactly.
	So build a habit now.
	Yeah.
	Like just prevention is, is, uh, much, much better than, uh, than cure.
	Uh, somebody says I've been the same weight my entire adult life.
	Is that just good genetics?
	Partly good genetics, partly good eating habits, and it really depends.
	Like, if you go to the gym and it's something you're consciously trying to, like, stick with and not gain or lose weight, then that's definitely just good willpower too.
	But yeah, it could be good genetics.
	I definitely know some people who just don't really gain weight.
	Well, I don't know that that's good genetics.
	No, because the reason being that's a skinny fat problem, right?
	So one of the things, if you, if you have a, I have a, I gain weight.
	I gain weight if I overeat.
	It's just a fact of my life.
	So the good thing is it tells me that I'm overeating.
	It tells me I'm eating the wrong stuff.
	And it's a, it's a mechanism by which I can guide myself to better eating.
	It's not the best way to do it.
	It's not exactly proactive, but you know, it works.
	Whereas the people who are eating badly.
	Yeah.
	And you're not gaining weight.
	Yeah.
	They don't.
	I see this with a lot of my friends, actually.
	They all eat, like, we eat lunch together a couple times a week, usually, and it's just, the stuff they're eating, it's all, like, fast food.
	Like, their favorite restaurant is, like, Burger King and Chipotle and Chili and stuff.
	Yeah, there's that song, if I remember.
	The Burger King song.
	I will not demonstrate.
	I'm trying to remember how it goes, right?
	Look, if I'm going to be singing, I'm singing a good song.
	I'm not singing a bad song.
	That is a punchable song, I'll tell you that.
	It's going to be one of my worst songs, but hey, it definitely works because you will have a bunch of teenagers in a lineup somewhere chanting the Burger King song because we're bored.
	And there's some Burger King executive who's like, ah, dance, my puppets, dance.
	No, seriously, we walk around and we're all wearing the Burger King hats and singing the songs because we're teenagers in the white hot, right?
	Well, and because they're tall, lean guys.
	It's like, yeah, Burger King must be a health food.
	No, and I'm over there with like a piece of bread just weeping.
	Um, but yeah, they definitely, definitely.
	So for me, cutting out sugar was a big thing.
	Izzy did help me realize that inhaling half a cow's worth of cream a day was probably not... And peanut butter.
	Yeah, you got me off peanut butter as well.
	I think peanut butter, just to clarify, because I see a lot of people... Even though it's got protein.
	Protein's good for you.
	You work it out.
	Protein, protein, protein.
	Yeah.
	The only thing that people are going to see from Izzy is... Yeah.
	So basically peanut butter, I think it's got some good stuff in it and it can be healthy, but just, you know, the calorie to protein and health ratio, there's just better ways to get, get the nutrients.
	You could get them on slogging.
	You know what?
	See, I'm not on slogging.
	So how can I get... How about we explain that to people who haven't gone to hell yet?
	Izzy, would you like to explain slonking?
	No, they're the experts.
	They're the experts.
	No, this guy.
	This guy's the expert.
	Eat an egg.
	No.
	No, you've got to drink an egg.
	No, it's not an egg, is it?
	Or several.
	Yeah.
	OK, what's your slonking regimen?
	Slonking, when I do, it's however many I feel like.
	I barely made it through that scene in Rocky where he's like glugging the eggs.
	So if you want to get
	You're set.
	You're set.
	Fresh ground peanut butter doesn't have the sugar and the crap.
	Yeah.
	So for you, peanuts are like the devil's food in a way, because it's so calorie dense.
	Just like, yeah.
	Like nuts and seeds as a whole is more just, yeah.
	The thing with slocking is like, it's incredibly nutritious.
	It takes two seconds and you've got a meal.
	Yeah.
	I mean, like it's really, really efficient.
	Yeah.
	It's not delicious.
	We're not delicious, that's true.
	But it's over in like two seconds.
	We're like, cool, on with my day.
	But couldn't you just cook the eggs?
	That's like a whole 20 minutes.
	Who has the biggest biceps of the three of you?
	Before we get to that, let's just talk.
	So you're going to have, say, six eggs, right?
	But if you drink them, you're not hugely going to enjoy them.
	But if you spend like 10 minutes just boiling some water and have some hard boiled or soft boiled eggs or whatever, wouldn't that just be
	I feel this is a male-female thing.
	But what if, what if I get the eggs down in like 30 seconds, now I've got, I've netted myself like 8 to 10 minutes of free time, I can go to the gym that I may enjoy doing that, or something else that I may enjoy.
	So I can lose out on enjoying the meal.
	You know what?
	Work on philosophy.
	I like how that was phrased.
	And math!
	You know?
	Obviously.
	I mean, that's fair.
	I have a very different mindset where it's like, look, I can, I'm not only eating like this much today, so I'm going to enjoy it till I get to full extent.
	No, and you, you like.
	Oh, okay.
	That's fair.
	You like, but you like food presentation too.
	Like if you've very kindly, you make me some food and it's, I want to photograph it and not eat it.
	It's beautiful.
	And then you don't even mix it.
	And you're like, it's so less flavor.
	And it's like, no, it's because you didn't mix the toppings in.
	I can't mix it.
	It's too pretty.
	It's like spray painting the Mona Lisa.
	I can't do it.
	I'll eat it, but I won't.
	So, and also, I mean, Izzy's taught me a lot about shopping.
	So when we go to the grocery store, approximately 80% or 85 to 90% of the time that Izzy and I spend together in the grocery store is me... Impulsively shoving things in the cart?
	No, it's me looking and weeping slowly at granola bar sections, slowly turning them over and you saying, what?
	Look at the sugar, look at the protein, look at the calories.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Or it's like, oh, this is very little added sugar.
	And you're like, keep reading, keep reading.
	Exorbitol Martian Space Dust.
	Dinosaur reincarnation.
	Yeah.
	So that's really... I mean, because I kept... Or I remember we were in Seattle a couple of days ago.
	Actually, it was a couple of weeks ago.
	And he's like, oh, this looks cool.
	Shove it in my cart.
	No.
	So I'm definitely, I'm a police...
	No.
	And it's, it's very helpful because I'm, I'm used to looking at sort of, I don't know, sugar content now.
	And I can't, for quite a while, I was trying to find some backdoor.
	Please God, let me have something sweet.
	And it's like, I just, I can't, the, the, I can't do stevia.
	It makes me tired.
	Erythritol interferes with my digestion.
	Like I just can't get, and I just had to give up.
	I just like, sugar is done.
	Like sweet, sweet stuff as a whole.
	I'm like that.
	Like sugar alcohols do unholy things.
	Yeah, for sure.
	So I have a thought on the, uh, is it just good genetics thing?
	Like, because if you tell yourself that to my, my opinion, if you tell yourself it's just good genetics, like that can be an excuse that can let you not develop good habits, which can be another expression of an area in which genetics aren't helping you.
	Yeah.
	Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
	For sure.
	It's like, well, you don't want the arteries.
	To be what tells you you're eating badly.
	You want the belly to be telling you you're eating badly.
	Reform that because the arteries is just like, I'm going to tell you, but only once.
	Genetics touch all of us in some way or every aspect of us in some way.
	So in some way, our free will, our judgment, our opinion, or, you know, those aspects of us are touched by our genetics.
	So we want to like,
	So, uh, what am I getting at here?
	If, if you use like, oh, I've got good genetics, I don't have to eat or I don't have to take care of myself physically or go to the gym, workout, stuff like that, which makes you less healthy.
	That's actually an expression of an area in which your genetics are lacking.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Right.
	With the good genetics comment, it's, there's no other context there.
	We don't know the activity level.
	We don't know what they're, what they're needing.
	We don't know, like, are they regularly active or anything like that?
	I mean.
	And isn't it, I mean, I guess the argument is, because the big question about weight loss, is it just calories in, calories out, or are there X factors?
	Like to some people's bodies, you can just eat a whole bunch of crap and they're like, I'm going to take this, this and this, the rest has gone out.
	So from my understanding, there is a, uh, there's, I could be wrong on this, look it up, blah, blah, blah.
	None of this is diet advice.
	Their opinions.
	Yeah.
	And seed oils, which, uh, soybean oil or soybean.
	Yeah.
	So soybean oil is effectively what's called obesogenic.
	So they can give the same number of calories to these mice and you'll give the ones that are, you know,
	I don't know what it is or why, but it's just looking at the, you know, this is what we did, this is what we got.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So that's not just calories in, calories out.
	I think a lot, there is a lot of calories in, calories out.
	Like I do think that's a big thing.
	The low calories is inescapable.
	If you don't have the calories, you're going to eat your butt.
	But from personal experience and also just from seeing it like around, like with other people and just online stuff.
	But I also think there's a lot of it, which is what you eat.
	So if you're going to say you're going to have 1200 calories as your day, because you're definitely going to lose weight.
	That's a deficit for almost everybody.
	And so you have maybe 1200 calories of like,
	Steak, eggs and vegetables, which is a pretty healthy 1200 calories, right?
	But versus fried chicken and burgers and stuff from like McDonald's or Burger King or whatever fast food place.
	Yeah, you're probably going to lose more weight and just generally be more healthy with the better food options.
	Right.
	And tell your buddies, like they can have a healthy meal at McDonald's if they just get ordered just the patties.
	Yeah.
	If you want to add the bacon, the cheese, that's fine.
	But actually the beef at McDonald's is, from my understanding,
	We're good to go.
	Where's the button for beef patties?
	You know, when someone comes over like...
	Yeah.
	Interesting.
	Yeah.
	And I just want to mention, um, I mean, right now I'm doing carnivore and I think Steph was going to mention this earlier.
	I'm actually doing alternate day fasting.
	No, no, you should, I go into the details cause it blew my mind.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So this is something you, you would doing it, eating this, but you just kind of every second day, right?
	Yeah.
	So, um, well, a little bit of background is I've tried a bunch of things, you know, I've done a bunch of things.
	The only thing that I worry, I've actually been able to lose any amount of weight for any period of time.
	No, I don't think I did that in particular.
	I did Atkins back in the mid-aughts.
	My mid-twenties.
	And what's Atkins?
	Atkins is largely low-carb.
	It's mostly animal products, sort of.
	It's kind of like a keto but a bit more carnivore in a way.
	Yeah, it's been a long, I mean, I don't know what it was back then.
	It was probably about that.
	I mean, sorry to be retarded, remind me of the keto thing, because I know it's ketosis and some magic spell that happens in your body.
	Yeah, it's, so the idea with, my understanding is the idea with keto is that you get your carbs low enough, and it's sort of a variation between individuals, but I think that like the cap, the absolute max is 50, but for some people they need to go lower.
	Grams?
	Sorry?
	We're good to go.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So, um, yeah, so that's exactly it.
	So, uh, it's all sugar.
	It's all sugar.
	Like in the body.
	So you eat a piece of bread and it turns into candy.
	So starch gets turned into sugar.
	Okay.
	You know, so that's, we have amylase in our, in our, in our mouths.
	And that's, that's, that's, you know, that's one of the things that some of the plants, that's,
	Okay, there's so many changes to go on.
	So, the basic idea of keto is that you get your carb count low enough, grams of carb low enough, and you supplement with fat and protein.
	And that's like just straight up not even saying whether it's animal products or not, just that's like the overall idea.
	And that will help keep your insulin levels lower so that your body goes into... I'm not trying to be causal, I'm not an expert.
	But your body goes into something called ketosis, in which your body uses ketones that are generated from the fat, as opposed to the products that are from glucose.
	So it starts burning fat as energy instead of calories and carbs and stuff, right?
	Yeah, so you use it primarily.
	And you go into a form of ketosis when you sleep, typically, because whenever your body's depleted all of the glycogen, which is a stored form of glucose, that you eat in full.
	Is that?
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, so you take in glucose or your body's generating glucose.
	Okay.
	Um, and then stored in your liver glycogen.
	And so that's how you can get, like, you have, you have some energy for like, you know, bursts of energy.
	Like when I do sprinting, um, which I'm attempting, I'm really, yeah, I'm, I'm doing it.
	Uh, but, uh, if the studio was a little bigger, we'd be able to get it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	And that's why you'll see like some guys that work out like after their workout is when they'll eat.
	Like a dessert because you replenish.
	I remember seeing a movie, but the rock where he was, um, massive amounts of pasta, like after the workout, I think it was after the workout because you're replete, you're replenishing those glycogen stores.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	That's, that's the, my understanding of it.
	Yeah, so that's the idea of ketosis in general.
	So the keto diet is trying to figure out how to, you know, how do you orchestrate the diet in order to get there?
	Right, right.
	So it's like there's a 50 gram limit for carbohydrates.
	The thing with Atkins in particular is that they have a lot of products and so a lot of manufactured products.
	Yeah.
	And maybe it wasn't so much of a big deal back in the aughts, but these days I'm really, anything that's been like packaged.
	Too packaged is too scary.
	Yeah, I don't trust that stuff anymore.
	But, uh, so, so yeah, I've done, tried to do Atkins, um, and I've tried to do like plant-based stuff.
	And so what happened with the Atkins, uh, like what was the thing that didn't work for you in the previous diet?
	Girlfriend.
	At least in that one.
	Yeah.
	No, I'm just going to drop that.
	I'm not playing.
	No, no.
	Eating a girlfriend is part of Atkins.
	No, no.
	No, no.
	So what happened was I lost the weight and we had met when I was heavier and, uh, I was also traumatized slash selfish, you know, bad choices.
	And she ended up breaking off with me when I was like, I lost like, I don't know, 240, 235 at that point.
	Okay.
	So, um, and I had come from like 260 something at that point.
	Was she sabotaging?
	Oh yeah.
	She was like, drink pineapple juice.
	For reasons I don't want to get into.
	So, uh, so yeah, I've tried a bunch of different diets over the years.
	Like I said, the only one was when I had and only one I can think of lose anyway at all was to go low carb.
	Um, but the thing is that I would, I would end up stopping and it was sort of emotional thing, not just sort of emotional.
	It was definitely an emotional thing.
	The source sort of echoes from the past that I hadn't really challenged adequately.
	I'm sorry, Izzy, I know you want to get to the comments, but Steph, you had asked like this blew my mind away.
	James, what was it that had blown your mind with the intermittent fasting?
	Oh yeah.
	So just the, so there's a story that I read, Izzy, you know, I talked about this some months ago about the Scottish guy.
	Do you remember?
	He was really overweight.
	Oh yeah.
	He just didn't eat for over a year.
	Yeah.
	I think it was a year and 18 months.
	Supplements.
	Right.
	He didn't eat.
	I can't even tell you.
	Like I'm not a blood sugar guy, but I'm not the opposite.
	You know, the people, and I hate to, you know, mock, cause I know it's a serious issue, but the people are like, my hands are shaking.
	I have to eat.
	Like I've never been, but I always feel like, and I sometimes will eat preemptively.
	Which is like, well, you know, if I'm going to go do X, Y, or Z, like I wasn't that hungry this morning, but I knew we'd be on the show for a while.
	And right.
	So, and I'm like, I wasn't going to eat this morning, but then I'm like, okay, it could be like one 30 or two till I get to eat.
	I should probably eat.
	Now I'm not like, oh, my hands are shaking.
	I got to eat because I find.
	I find those people kind of precious.
	Cause unless you're actually like, you can count ribs from space.
	It doesn't seem to like, I can survive off my ass for a week.
	Like there's no question of that.
	Right.
	But this guy, the Scottish guy, I can't remember.
	Do you remember how much he lost?
	It was like over a hundred pounds.
	And he didn't eat.
	He had like one bowel movement every 40 days.
	He was on medical supervision.
	He took vitamins and he just didn't.
	Yeah, he just took electrolytes and a lot of water and stuff.
	So, you know, not eating for a day.
	But the thing is, because I had to have this colonoscopy.
	Well, I didn't have to, but I had a colonoscopy a while ago.
	I basically didn't eat for most of the day.
	No, but I mean, like, I didn't eat and I was fine.
	And every now and then I think about that, like, what if I just didn't?
	I mean, that's what you're doing, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	So to come up to present day, well, what's going on is, or, well, I was at around 100 pounds was my
	No, all time high now, down to now.
	And I've never been like a healthy weight as an adult, as an adult.
	So this is my lowest weight ever.
	This is a brand new James.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Only slightly recycled now.
	I hope to be seeing less of you in the future, I guess.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And my goal at the moment, I know that there's, you know, questions around, like, whether you should look at your weight, your scale, but I'm just using that as a proxy.
	I'm looking to get down to 200 and see where things are and, you know, muscle.
	Anyway, so what I'm doing now, uh, my most recent high was in the mid two fifties, right?
	So I'm now down almost 40 pounds from that.
	Um, and what I did was what I'd been doing before that was, uh, largely carnivore, but I would cheat, you know, I would like, Oh, let's have some yogurt.
	Let's put a little honey in the yogurt.
	Let's, uh, you know, so basically just messing myself up, like not giving myself the consistency that you need in order to actually continue to lose weight.
	Because if you're inconsistent, it's really bad because your body's getting used to less.
	And then when you give it more, it's like, I'll sort in fat.
	That's my obviously idiot understanding about it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Something like that.
	Uh, and so when it comes to those sort of calories in calories out, there's a, there's, that's, there's some truth to it.
	Because our bodies, there's all these influencers that have really great ways of putting it, but essentially it's like our bodies are not straight up, we're not like furnaces, we're chemical factories.
	It's true that you can definitely eat too much, even if you eat a particular way, that's supposed to be a good way to exploit the chemical factories aspect, but
	You know, it's not strictly like you were saying earlier, like you can have, oh, I've got, I've got, I've got a quart of oil.
	This is my calories today.
	That would be disgusting.
	Oh yeah.
	That'd be horrifying.
	Unless you mix it with eggs and slunked it, right?
	I think even then.
	Hold on.
	It's that oil with butter.
	No, that's even worse!
	Are you kidding me?
	Don't say the word butter, she will thump you.
	What?
	What is gutting?
	It's amazing!
	Sorry, there's a comment here, if you could just read it.
	If you could just read that comment.
	Is he too participated in the show?
	What is that?
	It repeats the word whopper four times.
	It's the song.
	Oh, come on!
	Whopper, whopper, whopper, whopper.
	Is it like reverse Jaws?
	Is that what it is?
	Oh my God.
	I can get my phone and play it.
	All right.
	Izzy is adorable.
	Now, you know what I hear in that?
	No one else is.
	That's right.
	Thank you.
	Izzy knows me well.
	Izzy's adorable, which means the rest of us are trolls.
	All right.
	I mean, you are a 90s rock band, so.
	BK out.
	Yes, someone there singing the Burger King song in the comments.
	Insulin is culprit.
	This is a woman.
	Insulin is culprit.
	Programming cells to store.
	Yes, calories count.
	Of course, if you're snacking all day, you're programming your body to store.
	Is that right?
	Yeah, that's my problem.
	I thought smaller meals over the course of the day was like throwing smaller logs on the fire.
	They all burn up, but a big log sits there forever.
	No, no, because... No, but it's an analogy that seems true.
	Analogies do not prove the point.
	Analogies do not prove the point.
	Yeah, I've been too good.
	All right.
	On the chapter two of deadlines.
	Oh, yeah.
	That was what Adam said.
	I love the whooshing sounds as deadlines fly past, right?
	Let's see here.
	One of the benefits of keto since your blood sugar doesn't spike.
	Oh, because there's no carbs, so you're not doing this.
	Yeah, your insulin stays fairly low.
	Do you chew eggs or swallow them whole?
	Slonking is you crack, like raw, you crack the egg.
	You just glug them, right?
	Yeah.
	There's nothing to chew.
	It's done in like two seconds.
	The longest part is cracking the egg.
	That's the annoying part.
	As a matter of fact, I remember, because me and Mitch were on a kick of egg slonking and we're like, we need to get a machine that just cracks eggs because that's what it takes.
	Oh, because it was too much work?
	Okay, now, this guy will eat 18 eggs in, like, a meal.
	And so, yes.
	Chickens run, and birds, all birds run at his passage.
	But you, you've never struck me.
	I know, Izzy, you're a bit of a foodie.
	Yes, I'm a terrible foodie, which is the worst thing about it.
	But you've never struck me as a foodie.
	No, I feel like... For you, it's about as enjoyable as refilling your car with gas.
	That is not true.
	I can get that mindset if I'm like, I just want to get something done today.
	If I can, like, IV myself.
	Yes, but no, I do want to enjoy my food.
	And so normally I'll cook like a pound or two of ground beef and like put like some barbecue sauce on that, which is heresy.
	It's not top foodie though.
	The bucket of beef is not foodie.
	I'll put onions and tomatoes and some little bit of avocado and some sriracha.
	I'd take a bag of frozen cauliflower rice, pop it in the microwave, put some salsa and salt on it and a bit of peas and carrots.
	You would say I'm not a foodie, but I find that delicious.
	Oh, you and mom's meals are like, if it was in prison, you'd get hauled up in front of humor and I'd strike humor.
	It's like, this would be cruel and unusual punishment.
	Because yeah, mom's like, a little bit of parsley and salt.
	Are you punishing yourself for some past life misdeeds?
	Anyway.
	Uh, so, uh, the answer is you swallow the eggs whole, but you do, you do at least take the shells off.
	So that's a plus.
	Yeah.
	You don't, now that's option.
	I know some, I'm going to know as a kid, people say, Oh, eat the shells are so good for you.
	Do you chew the eggs or swallow them?
	Well, I have a friend and we were eating lunch a couple of weeks ago and his mom had packed him hard boiled eggs.
	Like, not even soft-boiled, like, full-on, like, the yolk is, like, chalk, right?
	Like, hard-boiled.
	Right.
	You can snort it.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	And he just cuts it in half and just doesn't even chew it.
	Just straight down?
	Yeah.
	He must be very comfortable with someone knowing the Heinlein Maneuver of Ragnarok.
	It's just very risky.
	We were all just looking at him, like, in silence, and he's like, what?
	And we're just like, why aren't you chewing?
	See, I am slonk before that.
	That's... Can you read this comment, Issy?
	All right.
	As a backpacker, I don't personally like eating peanut butter, but it's a very calorie efficient food as far as volume weight per calorie.
	That's interesting that you would say that, Issy, because... That's exactly what I've been saying, because I've been saying that if you are trying to lose weight, like both you and I have been trying to lose weight, right?
	Then it's not something that you want to have, because if you're looking to fill yourself up,
	The amount, like a tablespoon.
	Cauliflower rice is so much better.
	I never said that.
	So you take a tablespoon of peanut butter is around 100 calories, like anywhere from 80 to 100.
	Now is that flat tablespoon or like?
	Flat tablespoon.
	Okay.
	A tablespoon, right?
	And so again, if you're looking, you could have like two tablespoons of peanut butter, or you could have like six ounces of steak or something like that.
	Like,
	Or you could go to Jared's patented beef trough.
	No.
	And just scoop it up.
	It's delicious.
	I'm just saying, what's going to fill you up more?
	Right, right.
	So that's my thing.
	If you're a hiker or a runner, then you want low density, high calorie foods that are light in your stomach.
	So some people live, eat to live.
	I live to eat.
	Sounds like Jared is the eat to live kind of guy.
	That's that's I mean like I I'm adaptable like it I can do I rarely do slack.
	I'm much more on the other side of things.
	I do like the taste of food.
	Yeah, I do.
	I do.
	I love it.
	I will enjoy my food.
	Yeah.
	Do you know Flav City?
	Because I know that there's a couple of influences that you... Never heard that person, but I'll take a look.
	There's a lot of the influencers you seem to have quite an ambivalent relationship with.
	I find influencers interesting to watch, but it's usually because I hate watch, so... There you go.
	I love hate watching.
	Hi to all the hate watchers of Freedom Ain't.
	Yes.
	What do we got here?
	Maven from World Wide, WWE Wide World of Entertainment.
	Wesley?
	Wesley?
	Wesley?
	Ours are optional.
	On YouTube says, all he ate were egg whites with oatmeal.
	Yeah, I've heard some of those extreme diets.
	They're not great.
	I mean, they're good for short-term weight loss, but a lot of people will just gain it back.
	And the yolk is where there's actual flavor.
	And nutrients.
	Yeah, it's higher in calories than the egg whites because the nutrients are important.
	Eggs, thank you.
	I was just thinking what to eat.
	This show really has answers for everything.
	That's nice.
	Love kiwis for digestion.
	So Izzy, as you remember, when we were in New Zealand, they called them kiwis.
	The people from New Zealand are call keepers, so I assume this is just a cannibalism reference.
	Probably.
	So, hi to Heidi.
	Or it can be data to inform you on decisions you need to make.
	Bad genetics, so sugar isn't an option for me.
	Uh, is that right?
	So if you read about the Japanese population, they actually have the fat gene, yet we all know they do not have the obesity issue.
	Yeah.
	Do you know, it's funny, America is not even that high on the obesity index in the world.
	Oh, well, the Polynesian islands are 80%.
	They were real skinny until they got the Western diet.
	Some of those can be big.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	Anything over here?
	Oh, let's see here.
	Food volume versus density, right?
	Definitely.
	Yeah.
	Well, I'm more of that.
	I'm trying to get more of the eat to live mentality.
	Hormone endocrine is everything.
	Um, I don't really know what that means, but, uh, I'm not going to argue it.
	Yeah.
	Not all calories are created equal.
	I don't, I don't think there's anything, I don't care what the subject is, where it's like, this is the, this is the thing.
	And that's the only thing that matters, you know?
	Personally.
	Yeah.
	Could it be that some people are more fuel efficient and it's harder to lose weight?
	Some people burn fuel like Hummers, others burn fuel like a Toyota Camry.
	More analogies.
	I think everybody's, obviously metabolism does play a bit of a part, like your metabolism.
	I do think metabolism is a real thing, but I mean, everyone can lose weight.
	It's just some people it's a bit easier, some people it's a bit harder.
	Why is the child trying to lose weight?
	Cause I was unhappy with how I looked before.
	Well, so, and I, this may be, it may be a Molyneux thing.
	Thank you.
	Yeah.
	So this may be a Molyneux thing.
	So for me, um, I was a pretty skinny kid and when you're growing and I was, and I was a pretty small kid and now I'm, you know, just a shade under six foot.
	And so above average in size during that growth spurt, I was eating like voraciously.
	And then I kept eating because you don't get this big ping.
	You're done.
	Like, you're not like a kitchen timer, you know, like stop eating now.
	Cause you've right.
	So for me, when I was growing, I was eating more as you tend to cause you have to, cause you've got to fuel the growth.
	Right.
	But then you stop growing.
	I mean, sorry, I know you didn't, but for those of us mortals who aren't skyscrapers.
	No, but so.
	Some of those who never grow.
	Yeah.
	So for me, I ate and then I stopped growing, but I didn't know that.
	So I just kept eating it and put in a bit of extra weight.
	So when I was a teenager, I had to lose a bit of weight because I just, I'd put on a little extra weight because I ate past my growth.
	That's sort of my experience.
	For me, I mean, I was just like not happy with how I looked and I'm like, okay, so I lost weight and I lost 30 pounds and I was happy with it.
	I mean, kept it off for about like nine months now.
	Hopefully keep it going.
	So.
	I love carbs way too much to give it up.
	Well, you know, that's, that's the quality of life issue that everyone talks about until you get sick.
	I loved McDonald's when I gave it up.
	Like, yeah, no.
	So people, people say, well, you know, uh, if you diet, you don't live forever.
	It just feels like forever.
	And you know, like if you don't, if you eat less of what you love, then, you know, you, you maybe you'll live a few years shorter, but you'll enjoy yourself and that's all well and good until those few is shorter show up.
	Right.
	And then you get sick or there's some joint issue or diabetes or like whatever might happen.
	And then it doesn't.
	So people are kind of glib about this stuff until it shows up in their life.
	And then it tends to be a little bit like, oh, that was a bad idea.
	Right.
	I mean, I really like potatoes.
	No, I really love potatoes.
	In fact, I could have just potatoes.
	In fact, I did do a large potato diet for a while.
	What?
	Yeah, that was the whole plant thing.
	The starchivore type thing.
	It did not work for me.
	Um, but yeah, no, I mean, I love potatoes, but, and on my birthday, I was like, okay, I'm going to call myself either potato or a slice of cheesecake.
	And I'm like, give me a big potato.
	And just like, it was, it was really good.
	I really enjoyed it.
	Um, but yeah, I'm not, um, I mean, yeah, you can love them too much to give them up, but that, I mean, frankly, that's just, that's just an excuse, man.
	So, you know,
	Uh, I, up until like two or three months ago, when I started eating no sugar, I was eating probably a quart of ice cream at the end of every day.
	I go to the gym all the time and, and otherwise I do one meal a day.
	And you're not overweight.
	Not overweight.
	I would eat like at least half a quart of ice cream every night.
	And then Steph, you give up sugar.
	I'm like, okay, I'll, I'll join you.
	I'll try it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Cause I just, I had gotten right about this ice cream habit and I'm like, I should probably break that.
	Everyone's also right before bed, too.
	That's, like, full-on sumo diet.
	Yes.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And I had friends that were like, you know, that's the worst time you can eat ice cream, right?
	In the morning, because you can energize yourself, but right before bed, like, what are you energizing yourself to?
	Sleep?
	I keep dreaming I'm dying.
	Well, usually not right before bed, like, after dinner.
	Yeah.
	Anyways, yeah, no, I had that attitude of, like, well, I'm not going to have to wear my, like, indulgences, you know, a little bit of ice cream.
	I work so hard.
	I also got the feeling that I was training myself like a puppy.
	You know, like I do something difficult, but like, Oh, I'm going to reward myself with a treat.
	What am I toilet dragging myself?
	Like, why am I like, I should have some more internal will and not just like, Ooh, a cookie.
	You know, like, or, or, you know what, I've been bad.
	So I, you know, whatever I, or, or the other thing that would happen is like, well, I've eaten really well this week.
	Well, I had a hard time.
	I had a hard, I had a rough day.
	And then you're just managing yourself.
	You're not actually making choices.
	It was your choice.
	Sorry, your choice.
	Your show did help with that.
	Before you even said I'm giving up sugar.
	I mean, you're talking about that.
	Like I'm treating myself like a puppy.
	I'm like, Hey, that's right.
	It's very much outside in.
	And it's very much like childhood where it's like, Oh, you get a gold star or you get a reward.
	And it's just a way of training yourself into compliance rather than actually making decisions.
	All right.
	Uh, doing backpacking where your body is burning enormous amounts of fuel.
	Carbohydrates are basically magic.
	I know a dude who tried to do keto while hiking 20 miles a day.
	That's not a good plan.
	Not a great result.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	So, um, what is it that makes each of you dedicated to philosophy?
	I'm kind of stuck here.
	I mean, she's not old enough to move out yet.
	So she plays three more years of these live streams.
	Two and a half, two and a half.
	Yeah.
	The world's got plenty of artists and scientists like we're severely deficient in philosophy.
	That's like, and that's what's like, I have problems in life and there are things that make me angry and upset about the way the world is and the deficiency in philosophy is what seems to be the problem.
	So that's where I'm going to help.
	Yeah, for me it was much more personal.
	If I hadn't found Steph, I hadn't done the show, and I hadn't had the call-in with him, I would either be dead, or really wishing I was, or in a bad relationship.
	Or marriage or divorce.
	My life would have just been ruined.
	It was largely a sort of personal gratitude thing.
	It still is really, but for a very long time.
	I was never particularly versed in philosophy myself.
	I've got an abstract brain, but it really is geared for technology.
	It's not so much geared for the abstract argument stuff.
	But, um, you know, over time, as I've actually been applying these things and these principles in my life, it's like, no, this is the way.
	This is absolutely the way.
	And I'm, like I said, I'm not the philosopher, but I will support the philosopher.
	I, um, I want to add to like, like, uh, so that was initially, initially what interested me in to philosophy compared to like some other intellectual pursuit or some other thing.
	But then finding Statham's work and those kinds of impacts and like real world, uh, practical things I could do in my life.
	That's what got me into like the show and, and.
	How amazing Steph's work has been.
	And yeah.
	Thank you, James.
	I also want to thank you guys for being in the studio for another reason today is that for years, I've really felt that the camera was like, my color was off.
	No, but you guys look normal, would you say, Iz?
	I guess I am just Cheeto flavored.
	No, you just look, you know, ugly.
	Yeah, I don't know what that is.
	I mean, don't I look vaguely orange?
	You have a very orange skin tone compared to everyone else.
	Excellent.
	Excellent.
	I'm a cool winner, guys.
	Yeah, no, because look at that.
	That's like human.
	Cheeto.
	My hand is like, what is this?
	No, go like this.
	All right.
	Somebody says in my experience to whatever you can to have as much testosterone as possible is what makes you fit and healthy.
	Low body fat is more testosterone, but too few carbs can induce stress in your body, which lowers testosterone.
	For the same reason, getting good sleep will make you magically more fit because more testosterone.
	Yeah.
	Sleep.
	I mean, that's the big thing.
	Sleep is the one thing I definitely need to fix, and I'm much better about it now.
	And I try to aim for seven hours just because if I try to aim for eight, I kind of get stressed out and it doesn't work.
	So I might sleep a little bit longer, but that's fine.
	I also wanted to touch on real quick just what I'm actually doing today, once we actually got to it.
	Just briefly, so I am doing straight up carnivore, so I'll have maybe a few veg here and there, but generally speaking, nothing with any added oils, carbs, or anything like that.
	Virtually no processed food.
	And personally, I don't particularly care for dairy too much, also cheese, I just want to eat so much.
	So I stay away from the cheese as much as possible.
	Yeah, it's kind of tough because, you know, during the winter months, it gets kind of cold, the fingers get kind of chilly, but, you know, I just turn up.
	You get cold when you... You were saying this the other day.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Explain that, because I never heard that before.
	Oh, right, right.
	So, so, it's, it's, um, I think it's because, I think, well, this is personal to me probably, and I think it's because what I'm doing is I'm eating one day and not eating the next.
	So, for me, when I first do a fast, my fingers get really cold.
	Wow.
	So, I don't know what that is.
	Maybe someone has an idea.
	I'm not really looking for help because I can turn the heat up and I'm fine, right?
	But I've done extended fasts in the past of more than one day and by day two that usually goes away.
	Okay.
	Somebody says here, no English sentence can be made to make sense if it says too much butter.
	I feel best running on a lot of dairy.
	Fat doesn't spike insulin and is a good fuel for long hours of manual labor.
	Someone over here asks, uh, why is no one wearing green?
	Speaking up, Stephanie.
	Broccoli.
	I'm kidding.
	I don't know.
	You could say this is like a... Is it St.
	Patrick's Day today?
	I guess.
	Oh, is that what it is?
	Oh, maybe.
	Yeah.
	I'm like 25% Irish.
	I should know this.
	Is there a risk of salmonella with raw eggs?
	Sure.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	All right.
	So there is... I feel like you've had this question before.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Everybody in position.
	Oh my God.
	I just, I don't take virtually anything seriously anymore.
	Nothing.
	Anyway.
	I guess there's technically some risk.
	I've never experienced it.
	Now, okay, now, hold on.
	There was a time when I, like, right away, like, slunked, I think, like, 30 eggs.
	That was an interesting day.
	But I wasn't, like, Ben ridden it down and out for a while.
	Like, I wish I had never done that!
	It was like, maybe some less.
	I have the most obscure story for Salmonella.
	So, uh, a friend of mine many years ago wrote a play about a detective who was catching two thieves, one named Ella and one named Sam, and he called it Catching Sam and Ella.
	Isn't that clever?
	All right.
	Uh, what kind of eggs are you slurping?
	Store-bought or from home produce?
	I'm James's salmonella, so just store-bought, right?
	Uh, yeah, store-bought.
	It depends on where I'm looking.
	Sometimes you got a local farm.
	Do you ever slurp salmon eggs?
	Salmon?
	I'm kidding.
	Oh, no, it's... One person, wait, scroll back up on that.
	Sorry.
	The more I listen to people about diet, the less I believe humanity knows about diet.
	Yeah, you know what?
	I'd say that's really fair.
	That's fair.
	I think for everybody, like, there's no right or wrong.
	Some people are like, oh, vegan's a diet for you, carnivore's a diet, you know, and if you're not carnivore, you're a heathen and you hate everybody and you're gonna die.
	It's cult more than food.
	Yeah, there's a lot of people like, it's for everyone.
	Some people are like, omnivore.
	Some people are like, oh, carbs are amazing.
	Other people are like, carbs will kill you.
	So I think
	You know, everybody just find something that works for you.
	A lot of people are going to say their diet is the one that works for everybody.
	And I don't think that's accurate.
	You know, some people thrive on carnivore.
	I've tried carnivore at one point for just a little bit and did not do, did not, was not good for me.
	You just didn't take long enough to let your body adjust.
	Yeah.
	The transition is tough.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, transition's tough.
	I probably could have tried it longer, but for me it's just not something I'm willing to do.
	I lost weight and I have a pretty healthy diet, I think, and I'm not a carnivore.
	I mix all the food groups pretty well.
	So again, I think everybody has a diet that works better for them, and I don't think anybody should push their diets on anyone else.
	I'm also really skeptical on any just-so stories that sort of rely on sort of shaky evidence to say this is what we were evolved to eat.
	Yes, there are plenty of things we were evolved to do.
	We don't have tails anymore as well.
	I mean, we're omnivores, which means it's okay.
	Yeah, well, it really depends.
	I also think if we are talking about like the evolution kind of thing, someone from Africa is going to have evolved on an extremely different diet than someone from Europe or Asia.
	Like even in different places in Europe, people ate very different foods.
	Yeah, very true.
	And yeah, I mean, it's like, sorry, it's like Norway versus Mediterranean diets.
	It's totally different, right?
	On the salmonella thing, there is a guy who is, uh, he's eating raw, he's making YouTube videos or tourist videos or this, where he's just eating raw chicken.
	And because he's fighting this salmonella stuff, but he's like, oh, let's see, you know.
	Let's see.
	Let's see.
	I kind of like that.
	Russian Roulette.
	Let's see.
	Yeah, the only other thing I was going to add to the preview.
	What was it now?
	Oh, no.
	Oh, I think traditional diets can be like an indicator, but you know, obviously, kind of like as he was saying.
	Yeah.
	Sort of experiment.
	See what works for you best.
	You know, and apply reason.
	You know, don't, you know, it's like, oh, this, this, this jug of oil really works for me.
	It's like, I think maybe you would have something.
	There's something I wanted to add to that.
	That's, that's relative to all this.
	Okay.
	So I found the show like 2012, 2013 ish.
	By 2014, I'm like, this is awesome.
	You know, realist and all that.
	Some of the stuff got into around the time was around like different ideas around therapy and stuff like that.
	And basically like, listen to your body, like you have empirical senses and you have internal senses.
	Everything's got a job to do.
	The ecosystem is a big deal.
	And so listening to my body, because I grew, if you have trouble, troubling, troubled childhood, then you might disassociate from your physical sensations and body and stuff like that.
	And, um,
	Getting in touch with that, like just feeling okay to like, like, how do I feel right now as a being?
	Anyway, long story short, what I'm getting at is that I've really taken that to heart.
	And so like whatever you're doing, whatever you're doing, whatever stuff, like.
	Listen to your body and see what.
	Yeah.
	Oh, so, um, again, not medical advice, but, uh, there are some studies that show, uh, getting a calcium artery coronary or sorry.
	Coronary artery calcium scan, CAC scan, can be pretty useful for determining.
	Now, I'm in my mid-40s, and because I was obese initially when I went to the doctor, sort of, you know, I'll use my insurance and also just double check on things.
	I did get that order, and fortunately for me, I got a clean bill.
	I got a score of zero, but that can be really, really useful as you get older to sort of get an early warning of heart attacks.
	And it's just a good thing to do.
	I remember there was one doctor I was talking to once referred to, I don't know if you know the term, the widow maker.
	It's this one artery that if it's blocked, like you're just toast.
	You're doomed.
	And it's called the widow maker because it happens to men a lot.
	So yeah, check that stuff out.
	Uh, now this, I think is a very good, we're just going to go full diet by the way.
	Cause I just, I find like, forget there was like.
	So not free domain, it's free diet.
	Yeah.
	So it says regarding diet, there's a difference between feeling full and feeling satiated.
	That's so true for me.
	Satiation is the nutritional satisfaction and not just physical substance in your belly.
	Problem is most of our quote food just doesn't have micro macro nutrients.
	I struggled with this.
	I was definitely, I'm trying to get over this, but I was a volume eater.
	So I'd be like, OK, well, this big bowl only has 200 calories so I can eat it.
	But at the end, I'd be like, OK, well, I still want something else with more nutrients than just vegetables and fruit and stuff.
	I never feel full.
	I never feel full.
	I'm like, I just have to say, OK, well, I have to stop eating.
	But I'm never like, Oh my gosh, I couldn't eat.
	And I mean, maybe one, I don't know, some buffet or whatever, but I never feel full.
	I'm never like, Oh, that's it.
	I couldn't eat another bite.
	That's perfect for me.
	I'm always, I can always eat more, always eat more.
	And so for me, I don't know why that is.
	I've tried a wide variety of things.
	I just don't, maybe somebody has a clue out there.
	Right.
	I just don't feel full.
	I'll add to that point because I will, even though I'm primarily carnivore meat, that kind of stuff.
	Uh, I'll, like I said, I like to enjoy my meals and I'll eat pasta or something this time.
	But every time I do, I'm like, okay, a little experiment, have all these ideas about meat and how it's, you know, eating that's going to make me feel better.
	And I've got more energy and I'm more conscious of that.
	And so whenever I do deviate from that and eat carbs or something, I really try to notice like, what's the effect?
	And like, all the time, either A,
	I get tired shortly afterwards.
	With the carbs?
	With the carbs.
	Like sleepy, nappy, tired kind of thing?
	Yeah, just that like, I'm all set.
	Right, right.
	Y'all go on.
	I'm going to listen to an audiobook.
	Yes.
	Yep.
	We're jumping back from our thing.
	Jared's like, I'm just going to go.
	Yeah.
	Nap mode for three minutes.
	Sorry, who's driving?
	I'm driving.
	Okay.
	No, no, no.
	James, this may seem unusual to you, but trust me.
	But also what I'll notice is that, um, I'm still hungry.
	Like I'll eat a lot.
	I'll eat a lot of volume.
	I'll be like, I don't, there's a part of me that doesn't want to eat anymore, but that's a part of me that's like, no, no, no, we're not done yet.
	Yeah.
	But if I eat beef, then I can eat that.
	I'm like, yeah, I'll set me.
	You did what you're supposed to do.
	And maybe I may, if I try the carnivore, maybe that, that would work.
	Uh, so yeah, I mean, and I totally, and I had this sort of vague theory cause I grew up undernourished as a kid, like hungry.
	And cause especially when I was in boarding school, there'd be a shorter food, there's a meat shortage.
	There was even a water shortage back then because of all the unions were going on strike.
	And I just thought, okay, maybe if you grew up hungry, you always want to eat more because you don't know where your max food's coming from.
	And maybe that's just wired in.
	I think that's a valid theory, but I have the same thing and I did not grow up hungry.
	No, that's true.
	That's true.
	Yeah.
	Maybe it's just, maybe it's good genes, bad genes, or just whatever it is.
	Okay, let's see here.
	Epigenetics.
	Genetics is just a longer time frame to someone, so thinking you are just at the mercy of genetics is silly.
	In reality, you are changing genetics of future generations and your future self.
	I don't know if he means by who you date and marry or have kids with or epigenetics.
	I assume they mean like immediate choices.
	Right, right.
	Genetic expression, that kind of stuff.
	Yeah, now this is true.
	Somebody said the more developed Arab countries are addicted to American fast food.
	Obesity percentage.
	Remember Saudi Arabia?
	Like it's like 60%.
	It's way higher than America.
	The obesity in some of the Middle Eastern countries, especially because they have those not exactly slimming tents that they're wearing.
	Uh, Cook Islands have the highest BMI.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Eating is often a way to self-medicate.
	Yeah.
	A lot of people, they manage their moods like, Oh, I'm feeling down.
	I'll have a little sugar or something like that.
	And my ice cream at the end of the day was like, Oh, I'm frustrated about this or about this.
	And absolutely.
	It was a part of that, you know?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Ew, that raw chicken.
	Doing that in America is more thrill-seeking than skydiving or skiing.
	Yeah, quite true.
	I do think the Japanese have a kind of chicken sashimi.
	Sushi?
	I don't know.
	I mean, they've obviously got the fish.
	You're not asking about that.
	I don't know.
	I don't eat a lot of carrots.
	Now, I'll have some, but I don't eat a lot of carrots.
	I was just wondering because you're orange.
	Radioactive look.
	Thank you.
	It's the heat of the brain.
	I don't think I would be alive right now if it wasn't for Steph.
	I've stumbled tremendously along the way, but I still try to keep my head up.
	It's almost uncanny how Steph can basically describe situations in my childhood or life and others as well before even hearing their stories.
	And I mean, I appreciate what you're saying, James.
	It moves me enormously.
	And also, I mean, I do get the emails.
	Uh, of like you saved my life.
	And again, like I appreciate that really it's philosophy.
	Um, you know, a bit of a vehicle and people are doing it themselves, but I mean, certainly it's nice to be part of that in any way.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Uh, let's see here.
	Uh, let's see here.
	Um.
	Somebody says, geez, I'm almost through your novel, The Future.
	I'm going to go past the deployment of mRNA against the dictator and the description of loneliness as a killer and people living in small basement apartments.
	I live in a small basement apartment, so it may not be the future for you.
	It may be more like my novel, The Present.
	Fingers being cold is low circulation.
	I think that's, yeah.
	Because your hypothalamus is resetting and blood flow is diverted to heart, brain, vital organs.
	Does that make any sense to you?
	I mean, you're probably on.
	You're probably on.
	It's not a super massive complaint.
	Like I said, I can turn up the heat.
	Your body is conserving blood flow, noting that there are fewer calories going on and energy consumption.
	OK, normal.
	All right.
	That's what she says.
	I think she knows her stuff.
	Yeah.
	I can't do carnivore either.
	I wish I could.
	I think it is.
	I've noticed this for women.
	A lot more women struggle doing carnivore than men.
	I don't know.
	Isn't it just because the, it's just carnivore seems manly, you know?
	It's just kind of beefy, you know, a lot of protein and stuff.
	Hold still pig, this might tug a little.
	Yeah, there, and I've seen, I've watched a bunch of videos on carnivore and carnivore type diets and women do have a different experience.
	Yeah.
	I mean, you've heard it and I've, I've also, well, I heard it.
	Yeah, well, the food pyramid is, uh, I think as far as I understand it, it's a totally manipulated line.
	Oh yeah, that's crap.
	Completely funded by the food industry.
	Sugar industry.
	Well, the sugar industry, yeah, paid to divert the attention to fat and oh yeah, it's brutal.
	Oh yeah, it's wow.
	And one of the- American food, like American standard food is fake.
	One of the more popular carnivore, not influencers, but she's a very intelligent person on carnivore.
	He's been doing carnivore for a very long time.
	And I feel so bad.
	I can't recall her name, but she's brilliant about it.
	So there's, there's a lady out there who's been carnivore for a very long time, all into the science.
	Is it cannibal Karen?
	No, just kidding.
	I went Haitian on my cheek that day.
	Oh yeah, and then you do that lip bite and then, oh, you know what your body's going to do?
	It's like, oh, did you accidentally bite something?
	I'm going to make it five times its normal size so you can just keep doing that over and over and over and over again.
	You're a carnivore, right?
	What was it you were saying to me something the other day about carnivores, about cannibals?
	I heard this thing where it's like,
	If you eat human flesh for some reason, right?
	And your body learns how to digest it.
	It starts digesting your own stomach because it kind of just develops the enzymes for it.
	Wonderful.
	Yeah.
	I don't know if that's true because I mean, we have, you know.
	All the acids and goo.
	The mucus, right?
	I honestly have no idea if that's accurate.
	Hopefully we'll never have to learn.
	Yeah.
	Number of calories in the average human body?
	90,000?
	Yeah, about 90,000 calories in the average human body.
	So hey, you're ever hungry?
	I mean, everyone's got hands, right?
	All right.
	Um, let's see here.
	Left anterior ascending artery is the widowmaker.
	She knows all, she sees all.
	All right.
	The fact that she knows that, I don't know what happened to her husband.
	I'm sure it's fine.
	Don't worry about it.
	That's your big thing.
	Don't worry about it.
	Just keep moving on.
	Don't worry about it.
	It's all good.
	Sit there and look pretty.
	All right.
	Uh, sometimes I eat until it's hard to breathe.
	Oh, breathing.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Never feeling full could be part of the Northern European instinct to store energy as fat for winter.
	Yeah, I think that's probably it too.
	There's a theory I read that not feeling full may have to do with not getting enough protein in our diets.
	I'm okay for protein.
	Especially because your protein monster has inhabited the house now.
	Yeah, but like yogurt is not, I mean, it's a good source of protein, but for a man, it's not amazing.
	When there is a dietician who I've just now seen these tweets going out and saying like, no, no, no, we absolutely need meat and beef.
	Like it's the best.
	That last comment.
	I saw that.
	Yeah.
	We'll get there.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I'll hold on to it.
	I'll hold on to it.
	I think we've read everything else for now.
	No, I just refreshed.
	Right, right.
	So I was just going back up.
	No, we've been through this though.
	Yeah.
	Does anyone have any questions for us?
	Protein is really important for feeling full.
	You can only eat so much chicken breast, but you can eat infinite potato chips.
	True.
	Well, and it's from my understanding, the quality of meat makes a difference.
	Like if I were just taking a protein powder and doing my own, like, uh, I don't think I would feel satisfied, but the beef is vital.
	The IT help desk version of not feeling full is indeed eat more protein works 80% of the time.
	So that's a referral to reboot your machines.
	Right, right, right.
	Japan does have chicken sashimi and raw egg restaurant.
	It can be safe.
	It's about the food standard and how they're handled.
	All right.
	Makes sense.
	All right.
	Was your support for Trump just orange English?
	That's good.
	Honestly?
	Very nice.
	Very nice.
	My support for Trump was just, I just wanted to educate people on media falsehoods.
	All right.
	Fiat food is a good book on the history of diet science.
	Oh, Fiat food.
	That's a great title.
	That's a really good title.
	I will check it out.
	All right.
	I'm an anesthesiologist, husband still alive, just trying to help.
	Nice.
	For now.
	I understand she has to say that for legal reasons.
	For legal reasons.
	Right.
	Eat 12 humans a year.
	Sounds sustainable.
	Much less harm than veganism.
	Oh, especially if you eat vegans.
	I was about that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Actually, that is the ultimate veganism.
	Save the animals!
	Eating a vegan is saving the animals because yes, you know, like a cow is very little
	Posture.
	Absolutely.
	If you want to do crops and vegetables and fruits, you got to kill a whole bunch of animals.
	And they're already down with the principles.
	Oh yeah.
	All right.
	Uh, what are you guys most excited about?
	Hang on.
	Let's go.
	I missed a couple, missed a couple of questions here.
	So what do you think on that?
	Uh, what do we got here?
	Zoom in a smidge here because, uh, eyes.
	I'm sorry.
	Do you mind me resting?
	Oh yeah, no, go for it.
	Cool.
	Acid rain with artificial sweeteners is the bigger culprit in terms of weight gain.
	I feel like that's a bit of a jumbled sentence with artificial sweeteners, right?
	You'll lose weight.
	Right.
	Diet hail.
	I gained weight because my father overfed me after my parents' divorce and I never reversed that.
	Why do you think he did that?
	Was he allocating himself as a depression response?
	A little bit.
	And also as a sabotage to don't date.
	Oh, don't date, don't leave me.
	Right, right, right.
	Oh yeah.
	I mean, the number of families that will cripple one kid to keep them, especially if the parent's marriage is bad or the parents are unhappy.
	You can make a million dollars.
	You work for me, kid.
	Yep.
	Oh yeah.
	Hold on, scroll up.
	Up?
	Yeah, up.
	Up one more.
	Milk is for babies.
	When you grow up, you have to drink beer.
	I like that.
	Can anyone do a good Arnold?
	When you grow up, you have to drink beer.
	That's good.
	Very good.
	Very good.
	Very good.
	All right.
	I just got done with the fast yesterday.
	Oh, so now you're slow.
	All right.
	Sent in resume.
	All right.
	Food volume versus density.
	I think we touched on that.
	How many pull-ups should an adult male be able to do?
	I don't do many.
	I could probably do four.
	According to my friends, two is more than enough.
	According to me, I honestly don't care.
	You should be able to do at least one.
	I'm not there.
	I'm the best I've ever felt and looked, and I just go to the gym and do what I feel like.
	Yeah.
	Well, you were just saying that this morning.
	What is your plan?
	Plan?
	That's great.
	Move until I don't want to move anymore.
	I'll do the bench press, then I'll walk over and do overhead presses, and then I'll do deadlifts, and then I'll like kind of do in a circle, you know, and yeah.
	I know I used to, definitely when it comes to strength, I used to play on a, when I was younger, like on the playground all the time with other kids and stuff.
	I could probably do like five to 10 pull-ups at that point.
	Cause you know, we played grounders, we'd play like competitions, like you can do the most kind of stuff.
	I got just, I wasn't exactly like fit in terms of like weight wise.
	Yeah.
	But muscle-wise, I definitely, I could do a whole bunch, but now that I weigh a lot less, I don't have the muscles for it anymore, which I'm definitely trying to fix.
	There's less to lift, but less to lift with.
	But now I can do like two pull-ups, three pull-ups, right?
	But I used to be able to do like 10.
	Plus when you're around a bunch of teenage boys, useless physical tests is like the nature of the beast, right?
	We are together, we must push-ups, lift-ups, sit-ups, go!
	Can you jump off of that?
	Exactly, I've seen a lot of that.
	We had five minutes where we were waiting for the parents to do something, and we were like, who can do the longest wall sit?
	Oh yeah, there you go.
	It's like, both push-ups.
	Oh yeah, hold on, I'm gonna, I'll just show you guys, obviously not live stream, but it's basically like this.
	I'm sitting against the wall.
	So you brace your back against the wall.
	But you have to do this, and you can't put your arms underneath.
	It's thighs.
	And after a couple, after like a minute, it's like right, upper.
	Oh, it's thighs, it's tough, right?
	It's tough.
	I had neighbors, some of them did it over three minutes.
	Right.
	Minute and a half for me, I can't do more than that.
	All right.
	The strict research test proved that some people employ continuous micro movements to burn off the additional calories.
	That's interesting.
	It's not metabolism dystromes, it's totally unconscious.
	Interesting.
	Which one of us is that?
	I'm a bit of a shifter.
	Like you can see me in the show, I'm constantly shifting and fidgeting and all of that.
	And I, I much prefer to be in motion.
	Like, you know, I mean, we go for walks and all of that.
	Okay.
	So.
	Lose it or lose it.
	Gut bacteria is the most important and least known factor in nutrition and dietrition.
	Well, that's something that kind of blew my mind when I was quitting sugar and I felt this like fairly intense discomfort and I realized at least my way of conceptualizing it, not that I know for sure, is like, okay, so for the last 55 years, I've been breeding this sugar-based bacteria in my gut.
	And if i don't feed them they gonna cry like babies in the crib right and so they gonna complain and make me uncomfortable because i'm a delivery mechanism for the sugar that they need to live on and they don't wanna die.
	So i was getting into that about twenty thirteen twenty fourteen and.
	Your gut is your second brain.
	That's the largest cluster of neurons outside of your actual brain.
	And that I don't know that this is absolutely the case.
	It's my wild hypothesis theory because I had an aunt at the time who was telling me about how a lot of our drugs and chemicals and things are created by bacteria.
	We either synthesize or, you know, genetically alter bacteria to produce what at citric acid, whatever it is, like whatever these chemical compounds we need, that's one of the big process.
	So I just, in my head, I got the idea that like that bacteria in our gut is making neurotransmitter chemicals.
	And so could be like, Oh, well, here you need the thing that tells you more sugar because it's in my interest.
	Right.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, for sure.
	I assume they just want to, I mean, I'm a delivery mechanism and you complain if Amazon doesn't deliver it.
	And there's research out there that shows, like, there was this young lady who went to therapy, and the therapist was like, give her some yogurt, because her diet is all black.
	Well, yeah, before you start dealing with mood.
	Like I remember reading this is the Dickens novel.
	It's like, uh, am I depressed or, uh, did I just eat a bad potato?
	Like you always, always figure out your health before you figure out your mental state.
	Right.
	Well, in 2013, 2014, I was dealing with a lot of stuff, but I'm like, Hey, let me sabotage myself for success and remove those things as variables as best I can with those.
	Questions for the staff.
	How demanding is Steph as a boss?
	Okay.
	I'm going to go get a coffee.
	Uh, and, uh, you can talk about it.
	I'll be back in a minute.
	Yeah, he's gone.
	Is the door closed?
	Hold on.
	No, he's... Hey, buddy.
	He's glaring.
	There we go.
	There we go.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Alright, James.
	How demanding is stuff?
	No, so it's interesting you use the word demanding because that phrase, like demanding of the boss, it's a very negative one.
	It evokes a particular kind of like, you know, whipping the thing, you know, whipping the poor serfs until they deliver.
	The beatings will continue until morale improves, you know?
	So, but the thing is, you know, Steph is demanding in the sense that he, in terms of expectations, it's like, you know, both Jared and I are really smart guys.
	And so he has pretty high expectations.
	And so in a sense, you could say he demands it, but that's not the right word I would use.
	You know, in terms of like, you know,
	I think it's fair to say we're part-timers right now.
	Yeah, we're part-time on the show.
	So, you know, it's like, you know, he says, hey, you know, work, you know, do what you said you're going to do and do what you're going to expect.
	And if it's going to be an issue of like, you know, this is not working or having trouble or I'm losing interest or whatever, and we can talk about it, you can not do it.
	It's like whatever is going to, because the show is not about
	You know, let's crank out podcasts.
	I mean, it's part of the show, but that's not what it's about.
	It's about, you know, do what you do.
	In a way, it's kind of like follow your passions, although it's not as artsy-fartsy.
	Yeah, that's fair.
	I think I've sort of thrown a few things out there.
	I don't know if I answered your question directly exactly, but I would say in the direct sense of demanding, I wouldn't put it that way at all.
	It's high expectations based on, you know, him knowing us and him respecting our intelligence and everything and our ability to be productive.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	I would say that it's zero demanding.
	But there is, there are expectations.
	They're fair and talked about ahead of time.
	And like, hey, this is what we talk about, get into.
	And if things change, like, bring it up.
	Let's have a conversation.
	Let's talk about it.
	I've never experienced a more understanding and more
	Just more negotiation, more a better... I want to use the word boss because that applies in a way, but it's not like... It's more like a companionship.
	Absolutely.
	Like y'all are working together to bring philosophy to the world, kind of.
	Absolutely.
	I've known him for longer than he's been alive.
	Yeah, yeah.
	A long time.
	Well, and it's, it's very much, and we've talked about this as well, like, you know, it's, it's, you know, entrepreneurial ship.
	It's like, okay, so.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	You know, we're working for the show.
	We're working as a team to help create as much value as possible, you know, for the show to propagate philosophy, bring value to the listenership.
	And so that's the mindset that we go into and approach things.
	So it's, I, and I know I've had that mindset of working in a job where I'm like, I'm there to punch a check or I'm there to, you know, get the paycheck, punch the hour, punch the clock.
	And it's a whole different world.
	This is, uh, there's the freedom to.
	You know, and you can go too far because you can turn the show into your whole life.
	And that's also something you've got to be careful about.
	Like, don't get too deep into it to where that's the only thing you do, the only thing you're thinking about, worried about.
	Yeah, definitely.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, and just obviously from a third perspective, I have not seen him as demanding, to say.
	Definitely, like, expecting, in a way, but more, uh, definitely not bad, so.
	Yep.
	Got any new comments?
	What a question!
	That stuff's very used to this, I'm just like, what?
	Didn't Dickie say he promises he won't watch this part ever?
	Yeah, he did!
	He did, yeah.
	He said if he ends up leaving, like, to ask questions, he said he's never gonna watch back, so we can pretty much say what we want.
	See, Steph can do this business.
	I'm like, no, no.
	Exactly.
	All right.
	Now's your chance.
	So, I think I want to leave it up to Steph to talk about.
	I think, I think, uh, I was just, I want to see if there's anything for us and then I'll scroll up to where we are.
	Well, that's going to be stuff where people were asking questions when Steph was here.
	Let's get that.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we're good.
	Oh, I see you didn't trust us for that long.
	We've answered everything before in your reputation.
	No, I'm kidding.
	OK, so I was just looking to see if there's any other questions for follow ups on us on this side.
	Well, now they're all going to come pouring in because there's.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	OK.
	All right.
	That looks not orange.
	What's wrong with me?
	It's really orange.
	Very interesting.
	All right.
	You guys are awesome.
	Heck, yeah.
	Uh, I've eaten raw meat on and off since 2007.
	Meat in our hands all have salmonella and salmonella works in symbiosis with our body.
	Look, these days, all the stuff that's getting overturned and completely 180'd, I'll entertain almost anything.
	Uh, right.
	Let's see here.
	Staff a morning person?
	That's one question.
	Someone confirming the whole mid-forties thing with the heart attacks.
	So ADHD makes you lose weight.
	Oh, from the fidgeting, right?
	I haven't noticed that.
	I have not seen a lot of people with ADHD to be overweight.
	They wanted to put me on Ritalin in school.
	I can see why.
	Yeah.
	I don't think Ritalin is a good thing, but I definitely see why.
	I think it was a missed opportunity.
	Antibiotics nuke gut bacteria.
	I've heard that, like antibiotics will mess up your gut.
	Yeah, for sure.
	Alright, let's see here.
	More bacteria in the body than cells.
	Not by volume, from my understanding, but by count.
	Oh yes, the tapeworm diet!
	I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding!
	What are you, a supermodel?
	Uh, Steph a morning person.
	No, I'm not a morning person.
	I mean, I'll do shows in the morning if like somebody is really desperate.
	Uh, but I, um, I like, I like, uh, if you've ever seen like a giant military airplane, but like 19 engines take off, that's me in the morning, right?
	Like it's a lot of momentum.
	Some would say a lot of bulk.
	Some would say inhabited by aggressive impulses, but it's a slow takeoff.
	They're all, yeah.
	Yeah, it's a slow takeoff and at the end of the day, just a flaming crash.
	That's it.
	I mean, you see me.
	All right.
	It's bedtime.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	No, we didn't answer.
	I'm a morning person.
	I wake up at 530 every day.
	Oh, God.
	Oh, yeah.
	What are y'all y'all are excited about?
	That's not a morning person.
	That's an Egyptian mummy.
	Hold on.
	The question was, what are we excited about?
	That's a very wide question.
	You know, it's very like.
	Could be any could mean anything.
	We're not going to answer.
	I'm going to answer it.
	I'm answering it.
	We had a game of Catan.
	Oh, sorry.
	And we need to finish that because I'm not winning and I need to win.
	I mean, at this point, Stan is just, like, so... Yeah.
	Yeah, but, you know, she gets the longest road back.
	Yeah, that's fair.
	Because they are fighting for the longest road, those two, so... I'm, like, here visiting these wonderful, awesome people.
	That's what I'm most excited about.
	I'm a projection.
	Okay.
	You guys are nodes in a decentralized philosophy network.
	Orange nodes.
	Dun, dun, dun.
	James, cheer.
	Would you ever start your own business?
	You betraying, backstabbing, sorry.
	Calm down.
	I think it's time for someone to leave the room again.
	I'm just going to say that.
	No, have you ever thought of that?
	I mean, I know you have, Jared, but the VAO stuff?
	Yep, yep, yep, yep.
	I thought about that.
	And there's a, I don't know if I would call it a business, but I've wanted, there's a, I have an idea for a reputation network, blockchain based, that kind of thing.
	Not a currency, but very much using the same thing.
	Using the same technology, and I'm really excited about eventually getting some pieces together and getting that going.
	And actually, now that I'm here with Steph, I have some ideas I want to talk, get his feedback on, because we met in 2016 at an Eye for Freedom, and that was one of the things I remember talking about.
	I was like, hey, I've got this idea.
	Ever since I learned about blockchain technology, I'm like, this is something that must exist.
	And now I'm getting more and more to the point where I'm like, no, this absolutely has to, it's really
	Well, you're getting entrepreneurial experience working here.
	I haven't worked for someone else for like 30 years.
	So for me, I mean, I now, three decades is about, you know, as much experience as you can get.
	Right.
	So, um, so, you know, and if you guys ever did want to start your own business, obviously I'd be completely happy to be there as a resource to help and all of that.
	Cause yeah, if you want to do that, man, it's a pretty wild thing to do.
	There's a lot of pluses to it.
	I mean, obviously I hope that you can feel entrepreneurs within this environment, right?
	That you come up with your own ideas and thoughts and what it is you want to work on and so on.
	Cause I'm not like, you know, here's a list of your duties for the day, you know, and then checking in 50 minute increments, right?
	That to me would be a nightmare.
	So, um, there is a yes, but, um, sorry, where were you exactly intellectually?
	I was reading a comment.
	It says, Hey James, can you elaborate on the statement you made about being a better dancer than Steph while he was gone?
	Oh, I don't think we want to elaborate.
	I think we want to demonstrate.
	I want to say C2Spark.
	Hold on, C2Spark.
	That is a genius troll.
	I got to say, that's the best thing I've heard.
	Did you get coaching from Jared before the stream or something?
	I can do anything terribly.
	Somebody says, during the first three hours of my wakefulness, I write 500 words.
	Sorry, I have to read this in the right way.
	During the first three hours of my wakefulness, I wrote 500 words in a novel, read 20 to 40 pages, and read a couple of sections out of the good book.
	Yeah, good for you, man.
	So, so what?
	5.30 to 8.30 is somehow magically better than 9 to 12 p.m.
	at night.
	So, oh look, I got up early, I got all this stuff done while you were sleeping.
	It's like, you fell asleep, I got all this stuff done while you were sleeping at night.
	It's completely irrelevant.
	You're just moving exactly the same thing.
	It's 16 hours, you're just moving it from one place to another.
	Oh no, 5.30 to 8.30, that's productive.
	9, 9 p.m.
	to midnight, that's when the devil comes.
	It's the same thing.
	The culture has just made it seem like, especially because normal jobs and stuff have like, you know, get up at 8, you know, get to work by like 8.30 or 9 or whatever, right?
	So they just make it seem like modern culture that morning is just so much better than evening.
	I don't, I don't put down morning people.
	I do not put down morning.
	I don't say, I can't believe you guys are so, you just, I mean, I can't believe you fall asleep like at nine o'clock at night when I'm being productive.
	I would never like, that's, you know, you just choose to go to bed early.
	It's arbitrary.
	Like, but then the amount of scorn that we night people get, you know, we guarded your, your butts while, while you were sleeping.
	Well, no, I was going to say, humanity didn't have objective ethics before there was a night.
	We're night people.
	So you guys can get your little pretty beauty sleep and we'll guard you from the wolves.
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	Circadian rhythm noises.
	Yeah.
	Circadian rhythm noises.
	That's good.
	I like to get up before the sun, before the moon.
	On the entrepreneur and starting a business up, that was part of the conversation about how you asked me to like, do you want to work together?
	Because we're friends, we play games and hang out and stuff and chat about each other's lives.
	And I was like, yeah, I was working in crypto at the time, got very disenchanted with it.
	And I'm like, I want to go, I'm going to do my own thing.
	This thing is wearing a hole within me.
	It's like, I have to do it.
	That's all telling stuff about that.
	Like I'm going to quit the job.
	I've got, I've got so much money.
	I've got so many resources.
	I've got this planned out.
	I'm going to make this, this happen.
	And, uh, yeah, so we got to chatting about that.
	It was shortly after that.
	You're like, Hey, you want to work together?
	I mean, if you want to start your own business, you know, spending a bit of time in an entrepreneurial environment and having access to, that's a good way to do it.
	Learning from the man who's like, I'm not the worst at entrepreneurial stuff.
	No, it's not just that, like the, the, the idea I have is, is a moral mission.
	Uh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	And so I need to be able to do that in a productive and effective way.
	And is he's going to, you want to entrepreneurial?
	Uh, yeah.
	Like I'm cornering you.
	You've talked about a duck farm from day zero.
	You know, the duck farm wouldn't be exactly like, I'm going to sell a bunch of ducks.
	I mean, my plan is to get married young and, you know, a bunch of kids from the duck farms.
	Yeah.
	I'm going to be on a farm.
	No, you wouldn't sell the ducks, but the children, maybe.
	Yeah, obviously.
	I mean, if they say anything negative or they say, what's, uh, we were talking about this, this morning is he has the name of the duck yet?
	Orphanage.
	Is he, is he has the, is he has the conversation killer?
	Drew, we were talking about that this morning.
	So if I go, if I go, if I go something too far, which, you know, maybe once, twice a year might happen.
	If I go a little too far, as he says.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	And that's just like the conversation goes off the cliff.
	Okay.
	And then the other one is like, no, I don't think I do that.
	It's like this little squeal of massive doubt that erodes my soul from the bottom out.
	All right.
	I'm a night person and I agree.
	Uh, have you, oh yeah.
	Have you learned, what have you learned about entrepreneurship since working for the show?
	That's an interesting question.
	What have you learned about entrepreneurship since working for the show?
	Oh my God.
	It's embarrassingly simple things.
	Embarrassingly simple things.
	Um, like you're trying to be productive, like actually tracking how much you do or how you're spending your time in the time that you're spending it.
	What your objective is.
	Uh, it's, I hate to put it that way, but it's, yeah.
	You were very much a seat of the pants, fly blindfolded, hope you get there.
	And I'm like, failing to plan is planning to fail.
	Like you've got to have some metric.
	Like I literally time, how long does it take me to process a video?
	And if I can beat that time and find some way to improve it, I'm like,
	Improvement central, right?
	I mean, I've got it down to a really fine art.
	Like, you know, cause I, I record the videos here and because they're like 30 gigs, right.
	I have to compress them and audio process and, and all of that.
	So for me, or like, you know, if I do a call and show and somebody is, um,
	If they says names of places, I used to have to like go check it all.
	And now I just AI transcribe it and I'll do a search for the things and then pick it up.
	And so whatever I can do to, to reduce the friction and slow down of just getting thoughts out into the world.
	Right.
	That's the purpose.
	So, so, and you were just like, well,
	I'm great at that.
	Like we're, we're in uncharted waters.
	We don't know how to do, or we don't, we don't have a plan for this.
	We don't, these are new tools, new technology.
	There is no, there's no tutorial to read on how to do this thing and figure it out.
	I'm great at working in an unknown environment.
	But once we get past that to like, okay, we have some things down now we need to be more efficient and, and.
	Be more efficient and economize our time and efforts.
	That's where I'm less disciplined.
	And that's what I've been learning the most.
	And it's been incredibly helpful, but yes, it is incredibly based, like obvious, painfully obvious.
	Like how did you get?
	You have to be constantly obsessed with value to the audience.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	It's like, okay, this is what I'm doing, adding value to the audience.
	Right.
	So I went to go and get a coffee that adds value to the, you know, I better.
	So, so yeah, this like obsession of like, okay, it's just adding value to the audience.
	And is that value measurable in any way?
	Now we're a donation based life form, so it's a little loosey goosey about what's measurable or not, but you can generally tell the trends, right?
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	Well, you know, and yep.
	Got the important question.
	The question is, do you write better on coffee, coffee, tea, or alcohol?
	I cannot write on alcohol at all.
	I've a couple of times over the course of my life.
	I remember being in the Dominican Republic and writing and I had a beer and everything dried up.
	Yeah.
	Like some, I know some people cause alcohol is a disinhibitor.
	So if you're judging yourself too much for some people that breaks down that barrier for me, I've never been able to write.
	And I've only tried it a couple of times, even with like one beer, which is not much.
	Yeah.
	Are ducks mentally superior to chickens?
	I would say so.
	I would say so.
	We have had both chickens and ducks in the past, or currently have ducks, but chickens, yeah, definitely.
	And I would say chickens are very dumb.
	To be honest, like, I could never get any sort of routine going with the chickens, but the ducks, we have a very simple, you know, we let them out in the morning, they know how to go to their swim.
	Sometimes it can be confusing, you know, if there's other people visiting, as an example, like now, but usually it's a pretty simple, straightforward, you know, go out in the coop, walk to the swim.
	Have their swim, walk back, you know, they're very simple and they know to wait.
	Like, took a little while to teach them this, but when I came in with the bucket full of food, right, they had this great habit of, hey, we're going to fly up, land on the food bucket and tip it over.
	So trained them out of that, which was an important thing to do because I kept wasting food, but never had any luck doing anything like that with chickens.
	Like, they're just very disorganized, very crazy.
	So I'd say mentally, yes, but everyone has their, you know, some people do not like ducks or like chickens.
	Docs are definitely more messy.
	Docs are awesome.
	But I think we can all agree that geese are evil.
	I like geese.
	Canadian geese.
	Wait, aren't they the ones that have those like fangs when they...
	You know, um, chickens, sorry, ducks also have that.
	Our ducks will have it on their beaks.
	I've been bitten by, we have one duck, she bites.
	I don't know why she bites.
	None of the other ones bite.
	But she doesn't bite all the time.
	Sometimes I'll sit with her, very nice, very peaceful, let's see, pat her, eats out of my hand.
	That's not the one I was teasing.
	Yes, that is the one.
	And other times, you know, if I do something... Bringing out the best in females, as always.
	If I do something, like if I pick her up at the wrong time, or if I touch her at the wrong time, I don't know why.
	But yeah, they definitely do have, not teeth, but they have like serrated insides on their beaks.
	Geese have that a lot more than ducks, but ducks do as well.
	We live such short lives, therefore every moment must be purposeful.
	Seems a little exhausting.
	It seems a little exhausting.
	I'm Aristotelian, meaning that I have some purpose, but if it's like, oh god, it's been three minutes, I haven't achieved anything, that just seems kind of exhausting.
	Right, right, right.
	But then it becomes a bit tautological, like everything I'm doing has some kind of purpose you can make up as you go.
	All right.
	Turkeys are apparently the biggest nasties.
	That is very fair.
	Actually, turkeys really like... Yeah, turkeys.
	I don't know what the...
	Male turkeys will circle you and guard you.
	I've encountered two male turkeys in my life, right?
	Both of them have given me mating displays.
	They would chase away the females.
	Like, no, no, no, no.
	We want the human.
	Like, what the heck?
	Sorry, speaking of mating displays, 50% of the
	The group on the show are single and looking.
	Is that, is that fair to say?
	Like, let's be open about that, right?
	The group.
	Oh, right.
	So, uh, Jared and James are, you know, young, healthy, fine specimens of manhood.
	Uh, very intelligent, very philosophical, very hardworking.
	They got assets, they work out and they're great people.
	And I just wanted to mention, I hope it's not too embarrassing or anything like that, but you know, I like to be upfront about this kind of stuff that.
	Hunkasaurus at FreeDomain.com.
	If you'd like to chat further, they are single, great guys, and looking to settle down, have families, be providers and protectors, and the only requirement is 8 to 10 minimum pull-ups, I think.
	Do I have that right?
	Something like that.
	Yeah, I know.
	So yeah, just wanted to mention that, um, in, in passing that they're great guys and looking.
	And, uh, for me, I'm always like, if I'm looking, um, I'm just everywhere I can say, everywhere I can say.
	And now you, somebody says my son loves Canadian geese.
	He has made friends with them.
	They let him pet them while he feeds them.
	That is amazing.
	You know, somehow he has spoken to the Canadian geese and formed an alliance.
	I've been unable to do such things and they have, they hate me.
	Like,
	Probably because they're jealous of all the attention the male turkeys give to you.
	Honestly.
	Here's one thing.
	This doesn't make any sense.
	We've had, we have one duck, our male duck.
	Yes, his name is Magpie because we intelligently named our duck after a bird.
	So we have a male duck named Magpie.
	He's a nice, he's nice, you know, really energetic.
	I like that bird.
	However, we've had him, we didn't get him at birth.
	We got him from a farm where, yes, probably pretty underfed because he's tiny for a male.
	But, um,
	Yeah, we got him as an adult and we've had him for quite a while.
	Obviously, he's going to be more skittish because we didn't hand raise him.
	He still won't eat out of anybody's hands and won't let me pick him up without quite a fight.
	However, I go out to the park and find some wild ducks.
	You know, they come, they come right up to my hand.
	They let me touch them.
	I can eat out of my hand, but no, the duck I've had for six months and fed every day, given treats to, will still not let me pick him up or even touch him, which is just like, that's, it's so unfair.
	Jared, get on Instagram.
	I don't know what that means.
	I'll, I'll try.
	Sure.
	Insomnia Cat says, go get them ladies.
	That's nice.
	Nice to hear.
	There's some awesome tips coming in.
	Thank you very much, guys.
	It's so awesome to work.
	Yeah.
	I mean, this is, you know, when you tip, you're keeping us all in food and shelter.
	And of course we really, really do appreciate that.
	Well, and we, like, we do a lot of efforts to try things to like, what's, what's, what do people like?
	And that's one of the signals to give us an idea of what is helpful to the audience.
	All right.
	Any, uh, we've gotten almost two hours.
	Any other last questions, issues, comments, challenges?
	We're happy to hear.
	Remember support at freedemand.com.
	Uh, I think somebody already sent in a resume and, uh, if you live in the Northeast US and sort of better.
	Yeah.
	And, um, uh, again, I can vouch for them.
	Great guys.
	And I hope that, uh, they'll, uh, they'll get snapped up quick as they should.
	So, um.
	I think everyone's had all the questions or maybe we made them so hungry they just all went to eat.
	That probably is somehow.
	I'm going to be hungry today.
	Mike, the headless chicken lived for almost two years after guillotine.
	Yes, I heard of it.
	What?
	Yeah, yeah, that guy.
	They just live.
	Chicken.
	And, interestingly, still votes Democrat.
	From my understanding, what happened is that the chicken's brainstem is like back here in part of the neck and so they'll cut their head off and leave.
	Sorry, this is probably not the most... Not going for it.
	Yeah.
	And...
	And yeah, yeah, so the part technically part of the key that's keeping the chicken alive is still part on the body, even though it looks like the head is gone.
	That's perfect.
	You should set up an easy cam for the live stream.
	That's just a duck behind a microphone because you can get those masks, right?
	Yeah, we're doing that.
	You know what I was actually going to say?
	So we actually went to the convenience store last night because I thought, hey, wouldn't it be really funny?
	You know, I could be on camera and if I wear a mask, then I could just be on camera because all you see is my eyes.
	However, I thought
	Why don't I get fake eyelashes?
	Yes.
	And not like the normal ones, the really long ones that like I bought people.
	The clown wolf ones.
	The four inch long ones.
	However, once we got there, I realized, number one, I'm not paying like 20 bucks for a joke.
	And also, I don't really want to put glue on my eyelids because apparently you have to do some sort of adhesive.
	And look, you know, I think a joke's funny, but I'm not all for all the chemicals and stuff.
	But yes, you know what next time would be really funny?
	We'll get you dialed in, like you'll just have your own webcam and headset.
	Oh, you wouldn't even need a headset.
	And we'll just, no, we'll put a duck layer on you because I'm sure that there's... No, no, I can get Donut.
	What?
	We have our duck named Donut.
	She's really calm.
	I could, we could just get her.
	Oh, and she would be your avatar.
	No, but if you get the avatar, then when you speak, the duck beak moves.
	That would be very funny.
	He was a potato on the ground.
	No, there was one, he was a cat.
	The professor was a potato.
	I've seen these.
	Okay, I know what you're talking about.
	His son had set up a cat avatar and he was trying to talk to the judge as a cat and didn't know.
	Oh my God, yeah!
	I'm a foreign judge!
	I'm just a simple country cat.
	That's right.
	So yes, it was like special pleading from cat hair.
	Okay, so yes, we will try and set that up.
	That would be very funny.
	The Ter5 says there's been no rant.
	Yeah, but he sent a donation.
	No rant.
	All right.
	Are you saying you don't want a rant?
	No, he was saying he's disappointed there's no rant.
	That's fine.
	Although he donated and said no rant, so maybe he didn't want a rant.
	Does he expect more team shows once in a while?
	That was really fun.
	Well, we are going to do a mood review of Dune later tonight.
	Yes, calm down.
	Oh God, what's happened?
	They don't want me anymore?
	Yes.
	You're too orange for them.
	They haven't met Needy Steph yet.
	I do a fair amount of cover up of Needy Steph.
	My wife knows him very well.
	But you guys, I mean, you're really meeting Needy Steph.
	There has been a certain amount of that over the trip, which is great.
	Yeah, you are being ground down by needy stuff.
	Detached from mom and attached to you when I'm understimulated.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So for more shows, we are doing a review of Dune probably tonight after we watch it.
	And that's not going to be a live stream, but that will be up soon-ish.
	Just to sit around and talk about the movie.
	And Dune 2, the sequel, because we've all watched number one.
	There will be sequels for that.
	And also, I think you three are doing the Wednesday night live probably.
	Yeah, I think so.
	We could do the same thing Wednesday night.
	Yeah, that'd be great.
	Um, Terp, thank you so much.
	Really appreciate it.
	What is with people in like the masks on their motorcycle helmets?
	I think it's kind of fun.
	You know, if you are going to go motorcycling, you should you should really go all out and decorate your helmet.
	Get a whole thing.
	I don't know.
	Fair, fair.
	All right.
	Have a great day, everyone.
	We will release the Dune thing.
	And maybe what we should do, Will, because I did a Dune rant on the subscriber only show on Friday.
	We should slice that out, put it out to the Gen Pop because it wasn't anything specific to donors.
	And that way they'll have some backstory for the Dune 2 review, which we're doing.
	All right.
	And, and after we see Dune 2, we should, we should, we should go out for dessert.
	Oh God.
	We're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're doing it.
	We're doing it.
	We're doing dessert.
	I'm taking my way out.
	Thanks everyone.
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	They're single.
	I'm not.
	And have yourself a wonderful, wonderful rest of the day.
	Lots of love from up here.
	Talk to you soon.
	Are you good?
	Sorry, I thought you were going to say something there.
	I was going to say, well, and also like young men out there in our competition are like, don't wait, go out, get a relationship.
	Yeah.
	I'm just going to leave the awkward silence in at the end because it's just a great way to go.
	You ever do this thing where you have dinner with people and you're like, you all say goodbyes and then you all walk in the same direction?
	Every single time.
	Every time.
	I swear.
	All right.
	Have a wonderful day.
	Later.

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