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Dec. 8, 2023 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux

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	Favourite Zeppelin songs?
	I say, baby Baby, baby I'm gonna leave you at night Leave you in the summertime Leave you when the summer comes along Led Zeppelin did not reject the devil's offer.
	Just remember, I actually didn't get into Led Zeppelin.
	I had a girlfriend in my early 20s who introduced me to Led Zeppelin.
	And I just remember listening to it where, I mean, there's so much despair and nihilism and hellishness in Led Zeppelin music.
	Like, it's just absolutely appalling.
	And I just remember hearing Robert Plant, you know, if you sing to a woman, you know, we're going to go walking in the park every day.
	We're just going to go walking in the park every day.
	It doesn't sound bad, but he still makes it sound like we're going to go walk in a park every day and round up children with tasers and put them in the back of a windowless van and drive to hell.
	Like, that's how it goes, you know?
	We're going to go walking in the park every day.
	It's just so monstrously horrifying.
	I don't like the song Communication Breakdown that much, but I really like the bit where he goes, like he just makes the sound in the middle.
	He does that really well.
	And Robert Plant's favorite musical experience actually was doing The Honey Drippers with Paul Schaefer from the David Letterman show.
	He did The Honey Drippers.
	I've mentioned this before, of course, A Good Rock in a Midnight.
	Just a great, great tune.
	It's impossible to be a kid in Chicago without knowing Eye in the Sky.
	So Sirius is really great.
	Sirius is one of these like incredibly hypnotic pieces of instrumental.
	I played it to my daughter saying, you know, here's where the drums come in.
	Here's where the bass comes in.
	Here's where it goes down to the minimum.
	And there's some, I don't know what it is, but there's, is it the Chicago?
	Is it the hockey team that has Sirius as its theme?
	I don't know. But yeah, it's Honey Drippers was great.
	Yeah. Yeah. Honey Drippers was great.
	But Robert Plant had a couple of years.
	He was even more assiduous in destroying his voice than Freddie Mercury was.
	Because, although, oh gosh, the worst, in terms of aging, the worst voice is Paul Young's.
	I listened to him recently do a cover.
	Like, if you listen to Paul Young when he was younger, he did a cover of the old song, By the look in your eye, I can tell you're gonna cry.
	Is it over me? I love that song.
	It's like an incredibly great song.
	A heartbreaking song. And he did it live and he sounded fantastic, but Paul Young wrecked his voice touring to the point where he was barely allowed to speak for a whole year.
	And Wonderland is another great song by him, and Broken Man is one of the few he wrote himself that took a little bit of time to get used to, but then it's just fantastic.
	And... Paul Young, I just wrecked his voice, I think.
	Like, I heard him, even though he took it down a key or two, singing Wherever I Lay My Hat recently.
	It's just terrible. Although in the past, it was fantastic.
	Like, him doing it live with these backup singers is just fantastic, right?
	Chicago Bulls theme, Sirius, yeah.
	Yeah, that's great.
	That's great. Yeah.
	Did Paul Young tour with Queen in 2005?
	I don't think so. So Paul Young in the Freddie Mercury tribute concert, didn't Paul Young do Radio Gaga?
	I'm not proud. I know all this stuff.
	It's just truth that I do.
	You love Guns N' Roses?
	I'll tell you something interesting.
	Here's a little bit of interesting trivia about Guns N' Roses.
	What is a very obscure song that Guns N' Roses used to do live?
	Just out of curiosity.
	And I don't think Queen ever did this song.
	Do I know the song Dragon Attack?
	It's a killer song. It was actually the bassist favorite song that they ever did.
	Yeah, it's a great song.
	It's a great workout song. In fact, there's a guy called Lance Herbstrong does a cover of Dragon Attack that has a synthesizer match with the bass, and he weaves in We Will Rock You as well.
	So, yeah, it's fantastic. So Guns N' Roses, oh gosh, they used to do live, they did...
	Hey little baby, you're changing.
	Babe, are you feeling sore?
	Ain't no use in pretending.
	You don't want to pray no more.
	They used to do Sail Away, Sweet Sister, little scraps of it live.
	And that's a lovely song. That's a lovely song.
	I was never a huge fan of Brian May as a vocalist, but that is a very lovely song.
	And there's a great bit, a coda in the middle that Freddie Mercury sings.
	All right, we can talk music from here to eternity, I imagine.
	You know, I couldn't quite get over Axl Rose's voice.
	And, you know, like, I hate to be the guy who's like, well, he didn't age very well, you know, because, you know, part of it's kind of luck and all of that, but, yeah, I'm not sure that Axel, because he was a very good looking guy when he was younger, but I don't know that, super cool that you know this music trivia.
	I am, I'm music obsessed.
	I mean, I'm frankly, I'm absolutely music, music obsessed.
	Go listen to Mike Batts.
	Tarot Suite. T-A-R-O-T. Tarot Suite.
	Okay, you can skip over Lady of the Dawn, but the rest of it is just fantastic.
	Listen to Rye Cooter on Sly Guitar.
	Heck, listen to the entire Paris, Texas soundtrack.
	It's incredible for Sly Guitar.
	Did you ever get into Tool, Steph?
	Ah. The night they drove old Dixie down?
	Yeah, yeah. Get into Tool?
	Ah, I think so.
	Actual aged out like a promiscuous woman.
	Yeah, it's funny. If you compare how Bill Clinton aged relative to, oh gosh, what's his name?
	Sammy Hagar. I mean, Sammy Hagar looks fantastic.
	Geddy Lee or Axl for voice.
	I got more into Geddy Lee as I got older, and I saw, I think I've seen Rush three times live.
	And of course, it's a fantastic band.
	Um... What was it?
	Geddy Lee's original name was Weinberg.
	And, uh, he, I listened to a scrap of his, uh, he just wrote a book.
	It's amazing how many books are written by singers these days.
	I guess during lockdown, they had to have something to do with their creativity.
	So, I mean, you got stuff, obviously Bono's written this endless tract.
	Well, it's Bono.
	So it's about Bono. Of course it will be endless.
	Um, And Geddy Lee's written an autobiography.
	Bruce Springsteen.
	I listened to a history of The Doors.
	I listened to a history of Queen. I listened to a history of Led Zeppelin and all that kind of stuff.
	Any new artist you would listen to their album if they dropped something new?
	Um... Well, my daughter's introduced me to a group that does video game songs.
	I know it sounds a bit odd. Well, they do other stuff, too, called JT Music, and they're pretty neat.
	New artists will listen to their, if they drop something new.
	I'm afraid, and I talked about this in my novel, The God of Atheists, I've become a music archaeologist.
	I'm afraid I'm just not that interested in new music, but I'm happy to listen to a remix of an old song.
	Oh, I remember the song that popped up in my head.
	Oh, gosh. It's by Tom Cochran and Red Ryder.
	How does it start now?
	He's an impossible guy to sing along with.
	He's got a great top-level bluesy voice.
	You know him from Life is a Highway.
	Let me just get that.
	So long, so long, so long been away.
	When I turned 17, we had passion, we had dreams.
	Thought the love we were fighting for was something holy, something more.
	It's really great. When I turned 21, we were outside on the run.
	When I walked out with my girl, we went halfway around the world, around the world.
	Ah, it's great. Great song.
	Boy Inside the Man. It's got this great...
	I know this sounds like not rocking at all.
	It's got this great banjo at the beginning, just...
	It's really, really good, and it's such an uplifting song.
	It's just such an uplifting song.
	I was hit high by the light so bright it burned.
	All at once I knew she'd understand the boy inside the man.
	Ah! Hit high by the light so bright it burned.
	Such a great song. Really, really uplifting.
	And I saw him live, too, actually.
	Gosh. Gosh, what the heck.
	All right. Speaking of singers and books, have you seen Britney Spears wrote a book?
	Oh, I probably shouldn't say this.
	Yeah, I probably shouldn't, uh, shouldn't say this.
	Do I know that Britney Spears has written a book?
	Bye.
	you I do know.
	A, I do know that Britney Spears has written a book.
	B, I've read it.
	I read the book.
	Well, remember, I finally got the jab.
	I finally got the jab.
	I was stuck in a hospital waiting for the Canadian healthcare system to give me a tetanus shot because I stepped on a nail in the woods.
	Yeah. Iron Maiden, I find them a little claustrophobic and spiky, although it does have me confess to being a witch on a regular basis.
	How was the book? The book is unbelievably heartbreaking.
	It is an unbelievably heartbreaking book.
	But do you guys care about Britney Spears?
	I don't want to get overly philosophical on you, but hey, maybe I can write the book off.
	If you are, I mean, it's family stuff, man.
	It's family stuff. So, you know she was put into this conservatorship for like 13 years, right?
	Where she was not allowed to have her own spending money, she was not allowed to make her own decisions, and yet she performed hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of shows, some in Vegas, somewhere else.
	So apparently she was completely incompetent to take care of her own affairs, but, strangely enough, she was completely competent to make millions and millions and millions of dollars, largely for her father.
	For her father. Fuck.
	The amount of art that gets destroyed by dysfunctional parents can scarcely be imagined.
	And Marlon Brando was the same way.
	Marlon Brando's asshole alcoholic father was...
	Marlon Brando put him in charge of his business interests where he promptly lost massive amounts of money and put Marlon Brando into a shitty film tailspin just to make money to pay off his debtors for like ten years straight.
	We lost unbelievable amounts of great art out of Marlon Brando.
	Oh yeah, the Jacksons.
	Oh yeah, the dads are just brutal.
	The dads are just brutal.
	So, if you have corrupt people in your life...
	I mean, this is something that...
	This is something that one of my business partners told me many, many, many years ago.
	Many years ago. He said...
	If you have difficult people in your life, your life becomes difficult.
	It's really tragic.
	It's really tragic. Yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, if you have these kinds of destructive people in your life, your life will just be horrible.
	But Britney Spears is like on completely another level.
	It's completely on another level.
	That level of fame, I... Do you care about my fame experiences?
	Does that even...
	I want to be here for you guys!
	Do you care about my fame experiences?
	Yeah, I'm a slave for you, yeah.
	I'm a slave for you, yeah.
	So there was a time where I became semi-famous, where I was very prominent, and just about every time I went out, somebody would recognize me.
	I mean, there was a time.
	My Maserati goes 185.
	But I lost my license, so now I don't drive.
	Yeah, I would go out, and just about every time, I would get recognized.
	I had this wonderful, lovely Hispanic waiters when I took my daughter out for dinner at the keg.
	These lovely Hispanic waiters were so keen on my show, they absolutely insisted, though I really begged them not to, to pay for my meal.
	It was just because they just loved what I talked about in terms of peaceful parenting and all that sort of stuff.
	When I would go to a computer source, people would recognize me, and so there was a time, there was a time, for a couple of years there, where it was, I wouldn't say it was hard to go out in public.
	Yeah, Joe Walsh, good one, good one.
	I wouldn't say it wasn't like some big, obviously it wasn't paparazzi'd or being chased around at high speed or anything like that, but there was a couple of years there Where it was hard to not be recognized, if that makes sense.
	It would happen in the strangest places, too.
	I remember when I was in Australia, I took this train ride called Puffing Billy out to literally the end of nowhere.
	And people at the end of that ride in the cafe recognized me.
	And I'm like, oh my gosh, like I'm halfway to Alpha Centauri and I'm being recognized.
	So it was tough.
	And outside of just generally being hunted by the leftists in Australia, I would say that with one exception, it was all relentlessly positive.
	It was all relentlessly positive.
	Oh, yeah. Signed autographs.
	I took a bunch of selfies and all of that.
	Dave says, I saw you at the 21 convention in Orlando.
	I think that was right before YouTube pushing you out.
	Your stuff helped me change my life for the better.
	Oh, thanks, Dave. I appreciate that.
	Yeah, there was only...
	You live near there?
	Ah, wonderful. Wonderful place.
	I mean, I absolutely love that trip.
	I can't believe it's five years ago.
	Five years ago, I was in Australia.
	I was in Australia. And...
	Yeah, it was a great trip.
	A wonderful trip. I'm very, very glad that I did it.
	Got my words in before the hammer came down.
	Oh, what was the exception?
	I went to a restaurant with my daughter and the guy recognized me and was kind of surly.
	He was kind of surly in that he was just kind of negative and he's like, oh, I recognize you.
	And I'm like, oh, nice to meet you.
	It sounds like you disagree.
	I'm certainly happy to hear disagreements and all that.
	He's like, it's just the way you say things.
	And it was very soy boy stuff.
	There's no content, right?
	There's no content. God, I can't tell you how much contempt I have for people who never engage with content.
	Staff, you are still the biggest celebrity to me.
	Hanging out with you on an intimate locals live stream is the equivalent of me being Alex Jones hanging out with Charlie Sheen.
	Please come back to Australia.
	Gold Coast is waiting for my...
	Well, so the problem is, I mean, do you guys know why I don't do public appearances anymore?
	I mean, obviously you know about sort of the risks and the violence and so on.
	Do you know sort of the reasoning behind not doing public appearances anymore?
	Oh yeah, the people who don't...
	It's like, here's the thing.
	Like, if you don't want to engage in content, then shut up about the topic.
	I've met a couple of red pill guys who don't get you at all.
	It was a pleasant surprise to see that book centered around men's rights.
	Oh yes, my book, The Present.
	Somebody very... I think that was you, Dave, who kindly said, and I just wanted to point it out, said, I've been listening to your novel, The Present.
	I'm up to chapter 27.
	Awesome book. Painfully true.
	Your acting makes it perfect.
	So.
	Yeah.
	It's also my love letter to Christianity.
	You can do a lot more at home, right?
	No, it's not so much that.
	It's that I would...
	My concern is...
	I mean, I can hire security for my own safety, and that's relatively safe.
	I can hire security for my own safety.
	But the problem is that it's the people coming in and out of the venue who get attacked, right?
	Yeah. So the people coming in and out of the venues get attacked, and they're not obviously going to have their own security.
	And it doesn't, like, police get called and they don't even show up, right?
	Last time you went outside, you got to your guest.
	No, that was my choice.
	I mean, I was walking into that.
	I'm not going to blame anybody but myself for that.
	I knew that was coming, and that was just part of the deal.
	That was for my documentary on Hong Kong.
	I went down to Hong Kong, and...
	I marched with the anti-communist protesters and got tear gassed a couple of times, actually, for my troubles.
	And actually, in hindsight, it was kind of retarded because I should have had eye protection because one of those things could have hit me in the eye.
	But yeah, tear gassed was quite vivid.
	But no, it's really just if I do some public event, people are going to come.
	And my concern is that there would be riots and attacks in the audience.
	And again... I can hire security and I can be relatively protected, but it's the audience that could be attacked and I would really obviously dislike it if the audience was harmed.
	Your Hong Kong documentary is absolutely fantastic.
	Great documentary. Best doco.
	If anyone hasn't watched it, you should.
	It's a bittersweet thing to think about because, of course, I interviewed Martin Li, who was the guy who wrote Hong Kong's Constitution.
	He was later jailed. So, yeah, it was rough.
	Didn't someone get killed at that thing you did with Cernovich?
	It's not a thing I did with Cernovich.
	Full credit. It was the Night for Freedom that Mike did.
	Yeah, you had people outside chanting, you want a red pill, how about a lead pill, i.e.
	a bullet? There was a guy who was attacked as he left the venue and he ended up in hospital and myself and some of the other speakers went to go and visit him and see how he was doing.
	Have the meetups in Poland?
	Yes, you certainly could have a meetup in Poland.
	Like two places I could have meetups were Poland and Hong Kong.
	So... What if it was a retreat-type scenario, not in a major city?
	I hear what you're saying.
	I really do. And I love meeting people.
	I absolutely love meeting audience members and having those great conversations in person are wonderful.
	And I really just have to work on the cost-benefits.
	I mean, cost-benefit, right?
	If you have any tips in your gullets, I would appreciate that.
	People are asking me, and I will get back to it, I promise, people are asking me why there haven't been new chapters released for the Peaceful Parenting book.
	Well, I did end up taking a bit of a detour past...
	I did nine and a half hours on the French Revolution, which you should definitely check out if you haven't.
	But as you know, I have hired some people and I need to be pretty responsible for the income.
	And unfortunately, the Peaceful Parenting book wasn't generating the kind of income and donations.
	No particular fault to anyone.
	I'm just sort of, I have to be really clear on the income and expenses.
	And so I had to move towards something that was going to generate income.
	I will absolutely get back to it for sure.
	And I will certainly finish it up.
	But it was tough for it.
	You say, I was at a Night for Freedom that night.
	It was a great time, apart from the leftists outside.
	Yes, it was quite wild to be in the closing days of the Age of Reason.
	It was really cool to be out and public in the closing days of the Age of Reason.
	You know, it lasted a couple of hundred years, and that's pretty good for a reason to actually last a couple of hundred years.
	That's really quite impressive, but it was very cool to be in the closing ceremonies for
	the age of reason, the shutting down of the age of reason.
	Yeah, look up who won the Dutch election.
	you Your speech was fantastic that night.
	Thank you very much. The Australian RBA governor blaming inflation on people visiting the dentist.
	Ooh! Hey, Paula.
	Welcome. Good evening. That is the sound of a soul plus my rent attempting to leave my body.
	Mmm! But I don't want to interrupt this wonderful conversation with a mere rant.
	Rant-stipation.
	Nice. Oh, dear, oh, dear, oh, dear.
	Well, okay. I suppose I could.
	Right. Rant.
	I haven't valley-girled you guys in a while, have I? I really haven't done your...
	I haven't valley-girled you guys in a while, right?
	Do you miss it?
	Do you miss it? Go see a picture of Alicia Silverstone these days and then say you should give up everything for beauty.
	All right. I'm going to give you a typical TikTok video of women complaining about inflation.
	Hit me with a Y if you're ready for a typical TikTok video about a woman complaining about inflation.
	Ugh. I always find it funny until you see the TikTok thing at the end.
	Alright. Okay, people.
	Like, super real.
	Like, oh my god.
	Like, I just spent $98 to fill up my gas tank and it's like, oh my god.
	And then it's like, literally, like, I'm a teacher, like, teaching stuff.
	In the teacher's chair in a classroom, like, with the children.
	I don't know why I'm half Christopher walking there.
	I'm, like, a teacher and, like, literally, like, every two weeks I make $1,000 and I turn around and I give that to the landlord.
	And, like, groceries are through the roof and I have to buy my own supplies.
	Oh, my God. Like, I totally just realized that I'm taking money out of my, like...
	Savings account, and I'm putting it into my checking account, and then I'm giving it to everyone and their dog, and I'm literally in a negative cash flow situation, and I just, like, while I'm doing this video, I, like, totally realized I'm losing money every month!
	God! What?
	What? This is insane!
	This is absolutely, like, unsustainable!
	Ugh! Ugh!
	Seriously, people, like, I'm upset here.
	What are we going to do? Like, I can't even, like...
	I mean, okay, like, I don't make a lot of coffee at home, and I like to go to get $7 coffees from people of questionable sexuality, but seriously, a girl's not allowed any indulgences at all anymore?
	Now, tattoos aren't cheap enough.
	Obviously, I have some of those. My makeup is good.
	I have a ring light. I have a good camera, a good cell phone.
	But people, like, what is going on with this flesh and stuff?
	It's horrendous. I mean, I've had to go.
	Like, seriously, I have a spreadsheet at home that some guy who likes me made for me.
	Because, you know, he's just, he's really sweet, I guess.
	I'll keep him in the back after the bad boys run out of juice.
	But, like, he gave me this spreadsheet, and literally, I have to go from, what was it?
	I literally, like, my God, like, I have to go from, like, 14 streaming services, and he suggested, like, I go down to nine?
	What, I mean, I have some sort of medieval peasant?
	I can't go down to nine streaming services?
	That's barbaric!
	It's inhumane.
	This is like, this is like Salem witch trials burned at the stake, anti-female ho-
	Like I'm sweating so much that my lip gloss is beginning to bubble.
	you Ugh, horrendous.
	I can barely afford my bulletproof vest for teaching.
	That's going to be tough to sustain.
	Bye.
	I got an infection on my nipple rings.
	I tried rubbing some wormwood and fantasy dryad juice on it.
	it didn't work at all. That's crazy. And like I don't even have enough to tip the Uber Eats
	driver more than like 10%.
	Horrendous.
	I might have to start being nice to men.
	That's right. You know, in Toronto, women are actually renting the other side of the bed.
	Like there are women who are literally renting the other side of the bed to make ends meet.
	It's capitalist greed!
	It's a pretty funny song.
	I've never been able to find it again.
	I heard some comedian, he had a song called Vocal Fry Girlfriend.
	I looked it up on Wikipedia.
	Oh, by the way, get out of New York City.
	Do you know, I mean, did you hear this?
	I mean, if you're in New York City, like, what are you doing?
	Like, please, Scott, get out of New York.
	New York State is just passing measures that allow them to detain you pretty much infinitely if they think you've got an illness and apply whatever medical, quote, treatments they want, even if they're experimental.
	Oh my god. Oh my god. And is there any, I mean is any, like why would I listen to
	people who complain about what they voted for?
	Thank you.
	I mean, if you don't care enough to learn anything about the issues, if you don't learn enough to know anything about the issues, why on earth would I care about you complaining?
	I mean, literally, at this point, it's like, well, wait a minute.
	Like, okay. Like, fair enough.
	I've been, like, smoking for, like, 320 years.
	But it's only been a pack and a half a day.
	And, like, apparently now, like, it turns out that smoking is bad for you.
	And my lungs really kind of look and feel like I've actually reached down to my elbow.
	And I've actually felt my lungs, they feel like an old catcher's mitt.
	And apparently, apparently smoking is just bad for you.
	Like, nobody told me.
	And how am I supposed to know?
	How can they legally do that?
	What do you mean? How can they legally do that?
	Yeah, so people, like, if you don't want to do any research, like, I just want to stop these people who are making these TikToks.
	And it's like, okay, what causes inflation?
	Let's try this here.
	Let's just do what causes inflation.
	Boom! Let's see here.
	What causes inflation?
	Let's go to some...
	Yeah, expansion of the money supply and demand and so on.
	Yeah. The expansion of the money supply.
	So you can figure it out pretty easily, right?
	Like, I can't...
	I can't follow why it's better to make a TikTok complaining about inflation than to figure out what causes inflation.
	Does that make sense? Like, I can't understand why you'd make a video complaining about inflation instead of learning what causes inflation.
	Inflation, like when a guy gets horny.
	What?
	Boner.
	The Fed regularly says money printing doesn't affect inflation.
	Yes, that's right. A lot of cigarette companies said that smoking doesn't cause cancer.
	Because it gives them an excuse to put on makeup and complain about money, so white knights pay them.
	I gotta tell you, as a guy, as a man, just for women so you understand what it's like.
	So if you're a man, can you imagine as a man making a video complaining about something And getting any fucking sympathy at all.
	Like, can you imagine, as a man, making a video complaining about something and getting anything other than man-up insults?
	Like, the planet that women live in, modern women, the planet that modern women live in is like, it feels like as a man, and I could be wrong about this, maybe you feel different, but...
	The planet that modern women live in is like an intergalactic distance away from men.
	Like it's an intergalactic distance away from men.
	Women complain to get SIMP and government resources seems to work.
	I mean, do you get like just what a wild difference is?
	I'll give you an example.
	Alright, why did I do that?
	God.
	Why did I do that?
	I just showed my feet.
	I just, well, one of my feet just showed a foot.
	Why did I do that?
	I met a foot model ages ago.
	What a wacko. Tetanus.
	Do you know, have you ever heard of the website called FeetFinder.com?
	Please, God, never go there.
	But have you ever heard of the website called FeetFinder.com?
	FeetFinder.com.
	Well, there was a woman. I think she was a lesbian.
	She pretended to be a man and almost went insane.
	So, like, how much do I have to work?
	So far, I have a very low donation, but we'll work on it tonight.
	So, how much do I have to work to get donations?
	Like, I have to rant and do accents and sweat and make jokes and sing and dance and all that kind of stuff, right?
	So I have to study philosophy for 40 years, put my life on the line, go right to the edge of what is survivable socially and politically, and get banned, resurrect myself, Easter style, right?
	And for all of that, I can get some donations, right?
	Or, or...
	Foot!
	Foot! Have lower chimpanzee hands!
	It literally...
	I mean, if you ever want to be really depressed, you can just look at how much money women make off footfinder.com.
	Like, they take pictures of their feet, post them, and men send them fucking money.
	Like, men send, I don't get the foot thing, I don't get the foot thing, I don't understand the foot thing.
	Some fetishes I kind of get, like, on a very abstract level.
	Like, I can understand, um, it used to be that overweight women were considered attractiveness because the very common thing was starvation.
	So I can kind of get that, um...
	But the foot thing, I don't get at all.
	You'll buy my bathwater.
	I don't get the foot thing at all.
	It just seems so ridiculously humiliating.
	Like you just want a woman to stand on your balls and that gets you off.
	I don't understand it.
	So... There are better parts of women's bodies than their feet.
	Totally. So, yeah, I don't...
	So, the amount of work that I have to do to get donations and find a way to sort of survive online, the amount of work that I have to do is like almost beyond staggering, right?
	It's like almost beyond staggering.
	Or, or, go with me here, I can have feet...
	I can have feet.
	Oh my gosh.
	Humiliation is the point. Yeah, it's very, very bizarre, right?
	Very palpable point. FDR is the most valuable show.
	Oh my gosh. Thank you for explaining my joke, James.
	Sorry I haven't tipped or donated in a while.
	Thank you, Adam. I really, really appreciate that.
	That's very kind. All right.
	What about the whole financial domination?
	Oh God, I saw this video the other day of this woman who was complaining that, you know, men just can't stand it when there's stuff for women.
	You know, like the Marvels, it's like, oh, it's got female leads.
	Men just can't stand it. Or the Barbie movie, men just can't stand it.
	Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right?
	Like... All of school is designed for women.
	Most of university is designed for women.
	All the fucking malls are designed for women.
	Women make 90% of at-home purchases.
	The welfare state is designed for women.
	The welfare state is the single mother state.
	National debts are designed for women.
	But God forbid men complain about any of it.
	Then you're just misogynist.
	You can't stand that women have anything...
	Isn't that wild? Oh my gosh.
	Oh my gosh.
	10x your revenue by getting back on Twitter, bro.
	The stream to avoid 40-minute rant.
	Oh, come on, guys.
	Come on.
	I know you're joking.
	I'm curious. Let me do this, Paul.
	Um... Let's say I went back on Twitter.
	Amount of days you believe I would remain monetized on Twitter?
	Just out of curiosity.
	amount of days that you think I would remain monetized on Twitter.
	Amazon is basically female needs on demand service, yeah.
	Yeah.
	...
	...
	Oh, here's a tweet of mine.
	Oh, this is right after my birthday, 2019.
	Come on, ladies, you know this.
	Your youthful physical beauty is for building a family.
	It's not a personal plaything.
	For your giddy vanity, if you use your beauty for ego gratification, it will dry up and die in your wrinkled hands.
	Then it will be too late to be loved.
	That is some fine, even with the typo, right?
	So, yeah, it's pretty funny, right?
	Depends, you know exactly what you can and can't say.
	What are you talking about? Oh, you have this fantasy that these companies are bound by their own rules of service?
	You believe?
	Sorry, you believe that these companies are bound by their own rules of service?
	Is that your theory? I'm sorry, I don't mean to laugh, but your theory is that, no, no, no, see, there's things you can say and things you can't say, and as long as you stay on the right side, you're fine, because apparently, terms of service are just physics, and nobody can violate the laws of physics.
	It's kind of funny, right? Oh, come on, right?
	I mean, you can't imagine that, right?
	That's funny. Felix Rex, aka Black Pigeon Speaks, did a shout-out to you with that tweet of yours today.
	Well, that's nice. Oh, was that him?
	I think I watched a couple of videos of him some years ago.
	Seems like a smart guy. Is he in Japan?
	I don't know. I don't know.
	Anyway, yeah. Well, that's nice.
	That's nice. That's nice.
	I mean, you have to remember, very few people miss me.
	I mean, you don't have to remember, but it might be wise to remember that very few people
	miss me.
	you Questions, comments, issues, challenges.
	Hit me with how I can best help.
	I don't, honestly, I mean, I appreciate that.
	I really don't have much of an urge to talk to people.
	You have many that miss you.
	Well, but most of them don't know that they miss me.
	Right, Taylor? Like, most of them don't know that they miss me, and what I mean by that is, if something is posted of mine on Twitter, I will, you know, I will get somebody will say, hey, you got posted on Twitter, and I'll go and have a look.
	And I mentioned this on the Monday Night Show, but in case you weren't there, I go onto Twitter, and I'll have a look at something that was posted of mine, and what are all the comments underneath?
	What do they say?
	What do people say? Happy Thanksgiving, Philip.
	I appreciate that. To our American friends and listeners, thank you.
	And happy Thanksgiving to you guys as well.
	Cernovich misses you. Where did that guy go?
	I love this Trayvon Martin vid.
	Yeah, whatever happened to that guy?
	Oh yeah, that guy.
	All right.
	Yeah, and so people don't really miss me.
	I used to watch that guy.
	I haven't thought of him in forever.
	Where did he go? And then somebody, Jared, will post, oh, he's still producing content.
	He's right there. Oh, my gosh.
	Are the comments mostly negative?
	No, no, no, no, no.
	I mean, imagine if there's some woman you had a great relationship with, and she moves one door over.
	Like she said, 999-9999.
	Main Street. She moves to 1000 Main Street.
	She's like one door over.
	And you're standing in front of 999 Main Street.
	Like, oh, I miss her so much.
	I miss her so much.
	Where has she gone? Oh, I miss her so much.
	Right? And it's like, you know, you can, like, literally one fucking house over.
	No, but that girl, she meant everything to me.
	I miss her so I love her.
	She's, like, literally three steps, bro.
	Three steps and you could not, but I just, I'll never find another girl like her.
	My heart is broken.
	I've never... it's one's door over.
	Yeah, whatever happened to that guy?
	Like, even when they're reminded of me, they don't just look me up and find me.
	It's like... She's gone!
	She's gone! Yeah.
	Oh, that's funny. I think Odyssey's up for sale.
	Creating a bookmark burns too many calories.
	Yeah. Yeah.
	No, and Rumble and Local's functionality is pretty close to what YouTube was when you were kicked, so no excuse.
	Yeah. Yep.
	Yep. What do you think of Hir Wilders winning the election along with Argentine Millet?
	Millet. I remember you discovering your YouTube channel had been shut down and literally crying.
	I'm sorry about that. Yeah, it was a big shame.
	It was a big shame. It's a big shame.
	Alright. Hit me with a why if you have any narcissistic people in your life.
	Hit me with a why if you have any narcissistic people in your life.
	I want to know. Somebody's asked, how do you deal with narcissistic people in one's life?
	I can tell you. You won't like me afterwards, but that's fine.
	The important thing is to be virtuous, not like me.
	Ah, yes!
	I got rid of them and now I'm alone, mostly.
	You do have, you have some. You don't understand narcissism fully?
	Would you like an explanation of narcissism?
	.
	Yes? No? You don't need one?
	Maybe you do, maybe you don't. Sorry, I know we've got to wait for a second for people to catch up.
	Would you like an explanation of narcissism so that you can clearly identify it?
	Yes. Okay, so people are catching up.
	I ended long-term friendship due to narcissism.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Narcissism, this is just my amateur opinion.
	I'm no psychologist, right? So it's just my amateur opinion, right?
	So a narcissist lives in a universe of one.
	Other people exist and have value to the narcissist only insofar as they serve the needs of the narcissist.
	They don't view other people as like themselves.
	However, they recognize that there are certain words that will unlock other people's valuables.
	Right? I mean, if you think of the scene where the Fellowship of the Ring, they're trying to get into the minds of Moria, right?
	And it says in Elvish, speak, friend, and enter.
	And it turns out that you just have to, they go like crazy trying to open it and it turns out they just need to speak the Elvish word for friend and it opens, right?
	Right? So a narcissist doesn't fundamentally get that other people exist and are like the narcissist, but he does recognize that certain word combinations can unlock the value contained in other people, like a magic spell. So certain word combinations will unlock the value that other people have.
	So he's learned that If you say to a woman, I love you, it's more likely that she will sleep with you.
	Now, he wants to satisfy his own needs, so he will woo the woman, he will bring her flowers, he will tell her he loves her, because that's the combination.
	Like, if you have a locker and it has a combination, we all had these in school, right?
	You've got a little locker, you've got a combination, then there's certain number, three number combinations, right?
	Right? There's a certain three number combination that opens your lock.
	And so narcissists are like, okay, well, other people are kind of like machines.
	I do want them to serve my needs, and there are certain words that I can use to manipulate people to get what I want.
	So if you want to know how a narcissist deals with people, you look at how you deal with a computer, right?
	Now, if you want to go and browse some website, you don't say to your computer, oh, look, I'm sorry, am I totally interrupting something?
	I want to go and check this website out like a...
	Let me just go check this website out and then I'll let you get back to what you're doing, if that's okay, if you don't mind too much, right?
	Like you would never say that to your computer, right?
	You just... The computer is the tool for delivering pixels and sound to you, right?
	The computer is just like, you don't sit there to go, oh, I really want to play some Baldur's Gate 3.
	Sorry if you're in the middle of doing something, but it would be really helpful to me if, right?
	You just, oh, I don't know, start up Steam or whatever, and I'm going to play, right?
	Do you think about the computer's needs and what the computer prefers?
	No, you don't. Of course you don't, right?
	You turn on the TV, you don't say, like, if you're in a marriage or a friendship, right, you sit down with your wife, you turn on the TV and you say, is there anything you've heard of watching, anything you'd like to watch, anything, whatever, right?
	But you don't include the TV in the discussion, right?
	You don't say to the TV, well, what would you like to watch?
	Because the TV is just a dead mechanism for delivering what you want delivered.
	Does that make sense? Yeah, like trying to get ChatGPT to get non-PC answers.
	Yeah, for sure. For sure.
	For sure. Dead sneeze.
	So... A... A narcissist views other people as like machines or appliances...
	That he needs in order to get his needs met.
	Now, how do you feel...
	I mean, we had this at the very beginning of this livestream, right?
	So how do you feel when technology mysteriously doesn't work?
	When the technology doesn't work.
	Yeah, I hit the sneeze mute button.
	So when the technology doesn't work incomprehensibly, right?
	Well, it's just like, it's really annoying.
	And you just you get angry at the technology because the technology is just not giving you what you want, right?
	So you get angry at it Thank you.
	and you might thump it or whatever it is, right?
	So you just...
	Now, if yelling at your computer worked to fix it, would you yell at your computer?
	Right? Let's say you're home alone.
	Your computer is just not booting up.
	Fat allocation, table error, whatever it is, right?
	So... If yelling at your computer worked, would you yell at your computer?
	Of course you would, right?
	In fact, that would be the fastest and easiest way to get your computer to work would be to yell at it, right?
	If you threatened your computer and then your computer would work, you would threaten your computer, right?
	Right? There's an old...
	John Cleese show called Fawlty Towers.
	It's actually pretty funny. And in it, he's trying to get his car to work.
	His car won't start. He's in a big hurry somewhere.
	So he's like, I'm warning you!
	I'm warning you! And then he goes and gets a shrub or a tree or a sapling and starts hitting his car.
	Right? Now, of course, it's funny because we all have that impulse.
	But if yelling at your computer fixed it, you would yell at your computer, right?
	Right? Does that make sense?
	Like you would, right? That's how you'd fix it.
	You better boot or you're going out the window!
	Okay, it's booted. Okay, right?
	You'd keep it suspended over a bathtub, right?
	Okay, so you understand that for the narcissist, given that you're like a computer, if you don't give the narcissist what he wants, he yells at you and then you give him what he wants.
	So yelling at the computer gets it to...
	It fixes it, right? So if you're not serving the narcissist's needs, then you're broken.
	Like in the same way if the computer is not doing what you want.
	It's broken. So the narcissist yells at you or threatens you to get you to do what the narcissist wants in the same way that you would yell at your computer if that fixed the computer being broken.
	Does that make sense? If beating your car, perhaps a faulty style or junkly style, if beating your car with a sapling fixed your car, then you would beat your car with a sapling, right?
	They don't get it. It just causes resentment.
	What are you talking about?
	If you threaten your computer and then it just works, what do you care about the computer's resentment?
	The computer's job is to do what you want.
	Right? I mean, if the computer's not doing what you want, it's broken.
	I mean, I remember way back in the day when I had an Atari 520ST with the astonishing 256K, or was it 512K of RAM? So they had these mice, these mouse, I had a mouse, and the mice now have these little lasers and stuff like that working everywhere.
	But the mice back in the day had these like rubber balls and the rubber balls would get covered with lint and dust and crap and would stop working.
	You'd have to take them out and clean them and all that kind of stuff.
	It's really annoying. I expect objects to do what I want.
	I tell people what I need.
	Narcissists expect objects and people to do what they want.
	Is that right? That is not right.
	Yeah, that is not right. Sorry.
	I've been troubleshooting my electronics all wrong, apparently.
	So, sorry, Kairos, I just wanted to sort of clarify what it is that I'm saying.
	Because, you know, it's a little tricky because we all have empathy and we care about other people, so it's a little tough to get this mindset.
	So, you say, I expect others to do what I want.
	I tell people what I need.
	No, telling people what you need does not make you a narcissist.
	Does that make sense? Telling people what you need is not narcissistic.
	Right? You understand, right?
	Telling people what you need does not make you a narcissist at all.
	In fact, that's the foundation of a relationship is to tell people what you need.
	I need donations, by the way.
	So telling people what you need is the foundation of a relationship.
	Nothing wrong with telling people what you need.
	Narcissists expect objects and people to do what they want.
	So... When I was a kid...
	You had these vacuum tube televisions that had asses like Megan Thee Stallion and they had like antennae and you had to hold it just right and then the picture would roll and sometimes, now if you banged it, then it would settle the vacuum tubes or settle the electrons.
	We've all tried this, right?
	We've all tried this where you just thump something, right?
	Does that make sense? Yeah, percussive maintenance.
	That's right. Percussive maintenance.
	Like I actually just did this the other day, right?
	So I had to get a new watch.
	I use the watch quite a bit, make sure my heart rate is good, to track my sleep, make sure my sleep is good.
	I use it to track my exercise, to make sure I'm exercising enough and walking enough.
	I like the digital watches.
	I think they're good. I keep it on airplane mode because I don't like all that crap, like radiation on my wrist, but none of that.
	I generally do that, right?
	Now, I had a watch and it just wasn't charging.
	Like, you know, it wasn't charging.
	I could kind of get it to charge halfway, that kind of stuff, right?
	So then I ordered a new one and I said, no, no, no, I'll ship in the old one, right?
	I'll ship in the old one. So I ordered the new watch and I got like 150 bucks for the old watch because I don't like keeping electronics around.
	If I can at all get rid of them, then I'll send them back and they can recycle them or whatever, right?
	It's much better. So I'll send my electronics back.
	Now, you know what it's like when your watch is kind of faltering.
	And I said, does it turn on?
	Does it work? Can you touch it?
	Yes, it all works.
	Charge is not doing that well, but whatever, right?
	So I ordered the new watch.
	I got $150 off. And then, of course, they say, ship your old watch to us.
	And then that's fine.
	If you don't ship your old watch to us, we've got to charge you $150 more or something like that, right?
	So I'm like, come on, baby!
	You just have to charge one more time for Daddy!
	Just charge one more time for Daddy!
	I get my $150 back, right?
	Yes. Well, what happened?
	Well, it's a brick watch.
	Ain't mighty, mighty.
	Right? So, it won't charge.
	It just died off, right?
	So, I can't shift the watch in.
	I'll just have to charge me the $150.
	So, I've got nothing to lose.
	The watch won't start.
	It's brick, right? So, what do you do with things that are brick?
	You've got nothing to lose. Just thump them.
	Just... No, I'm not...
	No, it was a good deal.
	I was being honest about it, but things changed between when I bought the watch, so they'll just charge me the $150, right?
	So, I just, I thumped it.
	Well, what have I got to lose, right?
	What have I got to lose? So, yeah, narcissists will get angry at people, and they'll do what they need to do to get what they want.
	Like, let me give you another example, right?
	Let me give you another example.
	Did it work? No, it didn't work.
	So, let me give you another example.
	Now if you had a computer that wasn't working and If you were gentle and kind and whispered sweet nothing to
	that computer, then it would start working. What would you do?
	No, I'm not gonna send something in if I can't format it so So... If whispering sweet nothings...
	Hey, man... You're a really, really great computer.
	I do think sometimes I take you for granted, and I'm really sorry about that, because it's really unfair.
	Listen, I know that you work very hard for me.
	You really do sacrifice. I know there's other things that you want to be doing, but you go and visit those unholy sites that everyone tells me not to visit, and you don't particularly mind when I wrap up all your innards in some sort of VPN cluster, and I know you're kind of bored of some of the games that I play, but You know, I just really, really appreciate that you're so supportive of what it is that I want to do.
	It's almost like you don't have any needs of your own, and I've really been taking advantage of that.
	Like, I've absolutely been taking advantage of that.
	I just sort of realized that, and I'm really sorry it had to come to this, where you had to, like, say, no, you're not going to do it, just in order for me to realize how much you do.
	You're like, my wife, she cooks, and then when she doesn't cook, I'm like, hey, where's the food?
	And you don't really appreciate it.
	So I didn't I didn't want to have it get to this point, but it did.
	And for that, I'm doubly, triply, sorry, and I'm really going to make an effort.
	I'm absolutely going to completely and totally promise I'm not going to take you for granted anymore.
	I'm absolutely going to focus on what you need.
	In fact, let's totally reverse it.
	You've been doing what I want for the last six months.
	You tell me what you want.
	We'll figure out what you want to do.
	And... I'm asking you on my knees.
	I'm so sorry. And we will do more of what you want to do.
	We're going to make it more equal.
	I'm really going to focus on your needs because I just kind of fell into myself.
	Maybe it's something to do with my mom or my dad, but I just kind of fell into myself.
	And I was just...
	I got all solipsistic on everyone and I just, I was only thinking about what I need.
	So, look, if you could just do me a solid, I just need to get that crypto wallet off your hard drive!
	Sorry! So, yeah.
	If that worked and then your computer would boot up, would you do that?
	Is that what you would do?
	If that got your laptop to boot up?
	Of course you would. Give me my crypto!
	So, you would coax it, you would wheedle it, you would beg, you would plead, like, whatever it took.
	Please, baby, please!
	I just need my crypto back, please!
	My laptop thinks I'm cheating on it, but I promise that the work laptop is just professional.
	It's not the newest CPU and multi-screen that attracts me.
	It's right. That laptop at work means nothing to me.
	It's you, baby. It's you, the only guy's laptop.
	It just works over there.
	It's not personal. I mean, we go on business trips and sometimes we sleep in the same bed, but it's not personal.
	It's you, baby. You are the one I care about.
	Right? Right. I mean, you understand that this is how politicians work the population, right?
	They're just broken laptops that need to be coaxed into booting up, right?
	Hey, whatever you need, baby, whatever you need.
	Actually, closer to pimps, but all right.
	So, to a narcissist, other people are oddly defective machines that need to be coaxed into working.
	Does that make sense to you?
	I just want to make sure we're I dealt with a very intelligent narcissist.
	Oh, it was a nightmare. Oh, absolutely.
	Yeah, yeah. Up is down, black is white, you just get confused and fogged and nothing is real and all of that, right?
	Like I had a call-in show the other day.
	I actually had a call-in show today that was pretty wild.
	I had a call-in show two days ago with...
	Some of you are referencing it in the chat, which is...
	The father of the family wanted more children.
	His wife was 44, so he wanted to import a woman from Zambia, Africa to be the mother
	of his future children while at the same time he spent almost no time with his existing
	children and his son who was 10 was on screens 10 plus 8 to 10 hours a day.
	Now he said, well I don't know what the right amount of time is for a kid to be on a screen.
	And then I said, well, you don't even work.
	Like, you don't even have a job. Surely you've had time to look it up.
	Oh, no, I looked it up. Right?
	And so that's, like, it's in the moment he wants to say, I didn't know.
	I get that, because that gets him off the hook.
	And then when I say, well, you've certainly had time to learn, it's like, well, I have learned.
	It's like, but these two things can't do.
	If you say, I did learn, plus I don't know, these are contradictory, but it doesn't matter.
	You couldn't finish it?
	it you should finish it there's a great speech at the end about demonology
	it's a fine balance to keep a good relationship with a narcissist
	Thank you for your patience.
	What? Oh, boy.
	It's a fine balance to keep a good relationship with a narcissist?
	Are you crazy? Are you crazy?
	What are you talking about? It's a fine balance to keep a good relationship with a narcissist?
	What relationship?
	There's no relationship!
	There's no relationship. Guys, you gotta trust me with these call-in shows.
	I'll bring it home. I'll bring it home.
	I'll bring it home. Yeah, trust me.
	Trust me, I know what I'm doing at this point.
	All right.
	So to a narcissist you are a flesh machine that needs certain inputs in order to get
	the desired output.
	Right? So if screaming at a computer made it work faster and you desperately needed it to work faster, if screaming at a computer made it work faster, you'd scream at the computer because you need it to work faster.
	Right? So when you look at a narcissist, you're looking at somebody who's not looking back.
	You look at the narcissist, they're only trying to puzzle out human nature to figure out the right combination to get what they want.
	Do you know the mythical manifestation of the narcissist?
	Vampire is sociopath.
	Do you know the historical manifestation or the myth manifestation of the narcissist?
	A narcissist looking at his reflection.
	Yeah, so the narcissist was so beautiful he looked into a reflection and so admired his own beauty that he died there.
	No, I'm talking about not the mythological origin of the word, but who is the archetype of the narcissist in mythology?
	No, vampire is more predatory.
	The narcissist doesn't hate you.
	Um, so, no, not Satan.
	Because Satan hates you and wants to destroy your soul.
	That's more sociopathic.
	No, the narcissist is not cruel.
	He just does what works.
	Yeah, the vampires don't have reflection.
	So the manifestation in mythology of the narcissist is a wizard, is a magic user, is a sorcerer.
	Does that sort of make sense?
	Because the sorcerer uses language to manipulate physical reality.
	They use spells, yeah. They use spells.
	So they use...
	They use magic words to get what they want.
	They're called spells, right?
	I mean, spell, spelling, right?
	You kind of get that. So they use magic words to get what they want.
	So in...
	Give me some common spells.
	It doesn't have to be D&D, right?
	So give me some...
	Give me some common spells...
	That you've heard of.
	It doesn't have to be Dungeons and Dragons or whatever.
	Give me some common spells that you've heard of that show up, right?
	Lawyers. No, a sociopath cares enough about you to want to create another sociopath by being cruel to you.
	The narcissist doesn't care enough about you.
	Okay, so there's a love spell, right?
	So there's a love potion, there's a love spell.
	Like I did a call-in show with a guy whose stepmother boiled her own underwear in a man's soup and then had him eat it so that he would fall in love with her, right?
	So there's a love spell, right?
	Right now what is the love spell for the narcissist?
	It's seduction, right?
	Praise. I love you.
	You're the best thing that ever happened.
	You're wonderful. You're blah, blah, blah, right?
	A fireball. So fireball is collective punishment, right?
	So fireball is like white privilege.
	A fireball is a big splash damage, right?
	So fireball is when you aim at someone but hit the group.
	And so that is collective judgment, collective punishment, right?
	Like all the leftists who complained about colonization but never complained about Stalin taking over half of Europe, right?
	Because that was pro-communist, right?
	So... Does that sort of make sense?
	The love bombing happens as well, for sure.
	Right. There's a charm spell, there's a possession spell where you possess the other person.
	Somebody mentioned teleportation.
	So, do you know what teleportation is?
	Teleportation is gaslighting by dismantling your sense of reality.
	I'm here, I'm there, something here, something there, right?
	Right. It's gaslighting in order to dismantle your sense of reality.
	Like gaslighting literally comes from a movie where a guy kept rearranging things in the house and pretending he didn't in order to drive the woman crazy.
	So... What was the wife's particular sin in choosing that guy?
	Well, I don't know, and one of the things I would go back and do again if I could was that they had both retired in their 40s, and so I assumed that he was very wealthy.
	I assume it would be him, it could be her, but I assume he was very wealthy.
	Invisibility. Right.
	So an invisibility spell is that you can move around with nobody seeing you, right?
	Right. So you're invisible.
	And that's because nobody can see your motives, because people who aren't narcissists think that the narcissist is like them.
	Right? Non-narcissist thinks the narcissist is like them, and therefore the narcissist's motivations are invisible, which is why there's invisibility in magic.
	Does that make sense? Shape-shifting?
	That's because the narcissist can change tactics no matter what.
	They can go from, I mean, if you've ever dealt with a narcissist, they can go from anger to cajoling to wheedling to self-pity to flattery.
	Like, they can just change in a moment, right?
	Because you're just a lock and they're just changing keys.
	Oh, does anger open it? Shit.
	Well, anger doesn't open it. Okay.
	What about flattery?
	Oh, shit. Flattery doesn't open it.
	Okay. Guilt? No.
	Guilt doesn't open it. Okay.
	Self-pity? Oh, that's not opening it.
	So they're just trying all of these different locks.
	Different keys in the lock. That's all there is.
	So the shape-shifting is they're just changing all over the place, right?
	Oh, your frequent fantasy as a child was that I was invisible, right?
	Right, because you were, I assume, heavily manipulated, right?
	Yeah, alpha to victim in the blink of an eye.
	Like, you know, you've seen this a million times where there's a criminal, some bad guy, some really bad guy, and he's dominating because he's got the guns.
	He loses the gun. It's like, oh, it's just...
	There's no continuity in personality, right?
	A potion versus a spell?
	.
	So the spell is when you can seduce the woman through words.
	The potion is when you have to get her drunk or drug her.
	A potion is when you make a broth out of panties.
	Yeah, it's really something, isn't it?
	They don't cast a lot of bless.
	Well, a blessed spell is if you have a curse put on you by a kind of wizard, which is the curse, say, of Original Sin, then you have a blessed spell, right?
	Is the Panty Voodoo podcast up?
	Boy, there's a sentence I thought I would say today.
	No. No, but it will be.
	It will be. Yeah, full Bill Cosby.
	Yeah, yeah. Um...
	So, yeah, you can't have a relationship with a narcissist because the narcissist doesn't recognize you as having needs of your own.
	Or the narcissist may say, this person has needs of their own and therefore I will satisfy those needs just to get what I want.
	Right? Like...
	A lock has a need for the key to work.
	So you'll, quote, satisfy the lock's needs in order to get what you want.
	Telekinesis is like...
	Oh, telekinesis.
	Oh, I'm sorry. That one's easy.
	So telekinesis is...
	That a woman bats her eyes and someone gives her money, right?
	A woman is sexy, she dresses up, and men buy her drinks, men buy her dinner, men take her on.
	So her seductiveness moves resources in the world towards her.
	Or it could be, of course, voting and getting resources that way, right?
	I want to make sure that I'm, is this useful and helpful to sort of understand where people are coming from?
	Like, they'll recognize your needs because they know, okay, well, I need to satisfy, like, this woman likes to be flattered, she has a need to be flattered, so I'll flatter her to get what I want.
	This is an awesome explanation for narcissism.
	Good, I'm glad it's helpful. Somebody says, this is an interesting conversation for me because earlier I was reflecting on people who put curses on others and I thought to myself, everything you put out comes back to you, so why spend energy cursing people when you can pray for good things in your life?
	Everything you put out comes back to you.
	What does that mean? Is it possible to have been a narcissist and then be cured?
	It seems like how I used to be.
	I don't know. I don't know.
	I put nothing past philosophy.
	Honestly, there's nothing that I say philosophy can't do.
	Why do people hang with a narcissist?
	Is it because they don't know they're a narcissist or do they get some sort of value from it?
	Okay, hit me with a why if you don't know why people hang out with narcissists.
	Let me just get caught up here.
	Hit me with a Y. What goes around comes around.
	I don't know what that means. You think that justice is bound into the physics of the universe?
	What's the psychology of the victims of narcissists?
	There are no adult victims of narcissists.
	What do you mean? There are childhood victims of narcissists, but there are no adult victims of narcissists.
	Great conversation. Always love these shows.
	Well, thank you, Khan. I really, really appreciate that.
	And if you are finding value in this, and I'm telling you, this shit will save your life one day.
	It will save, because you'll see this.
	You'll see someone. Someone's going to be circling you like a shark, and they're going to prey on you.
	They're going to clamp on you. They're going to take everything you've got, half your soul and half your shit.
	This conversation will save your life.
	I'm not kidding about that.
	So, yeah, if you'd like to donate, that would be excellent, because I work hard for this stuff.
	This is a lot of battle scars, this knowledge.
	There's a lot of battle scars. Serving a narcissist is an addiction.
	Ah, but using the word addiction doesn't answer much.
	Is justice like Newton's first?
	I read that as Juice Newton, playing with the Queen of Hearts.
	It's good time actually.
	All right.
	Um.
	Plan to donate more at the start of the month.
	Thank you. I appreciate that. I appreciate that.
	Why do people hang with narcissists?
	Well, why do you guys think people...
	I mean, let's make this a convo, right?
	Why do you guys think people hang...
	And of course, I don't have any big answers.
	I'm just my theories, right?
	Why do people hang with narcissists?
	Because they flatter them?
	But most people can know what real and fake flattery is.
	They're spontaneous, mysterious, charismatic, etc.
	If you want to hear an encapsulated narcissistic conversation, listen to The Doors doing the
	old Van Morrison song Gloria.
	Thank you.
	...
	Right? So, Jim Morrison as the singer pretends to be interested in the girl.
	Oh yeah? Where did you go to school?
	Oh yeah? What are your hobbies?
	What do you like?
	Well, now that we know each other just a little better, why don't you come over here and make me feel alright?
	Right? All right.
	Oh, I think these are all great answers but I don't think they're true or accurate at
	the bottom.
	So, obviously you hang with the narcissist because you grew up with a narcissist.
	Now, with a narcissist, if you have a narcissist preying on you, it's always a game of cat and mouse.
	Always a game of cat and mouse.
	In other words, the narcissist constantly wants things from you.
	Sometimes those things will coincide with what you want, but a lot of times they won't, and sometimes they'll be directly at your expense, right?
	Now, if you grow up with a narcissist, your identity becomes managing narcissism.
	Like, that's what you do.
	Like, your identity is managing narcissism.
	Like, you don't have any shape of your own.
	You're like water poured into a container, right?
	You pour it into a bowl, water becomes the shape of a bowl.
	You pour it into a beaker, it's a beaker, a cup, a cup.
	So your entire identity is managing a narcissist.
	Giving them just enough that they don't attack you, but not so much that you lose the will to live.
	And I literally mean that. You lose the will to live.
	Because if all you are is supplying the needs to a narcissistic person, you don't exist.
	Like one day you'll just be like, fuck it, I'm not getting out of bed.
	Like I'm not doing this anymore.
	So you have to manage that.
	Now, there's also a dance with the narcissist.
	So the narcissist will...
	Take things from you, but you're a crop, right?
	So they don't want to totally destroy the soil.
	Like, they don't want to over-harvest from you because then you're toast, right?
	Does this make sense? Like, you want to ride a horse, but not to the point where the horse's heart explodes and it dies.
	So all you do is manage the narcissist.
	That's your whole identity. That's the only sense of power or authority or identity or purpose.
	That's your life. Your life is managing a narcissist, right?
	Now, if your life is managing a narcissist, what happens?
	Without a narcissist. What happens if the narcissist is not around?
	What happens if you have no narcissists around you and your entire identity, your entire job, everything you've been conditioned to do for 20 or 30 years is managing the fucking narcissist?
	What happens without a narcissist?
	Yeah, you feel like you don't exist.
	You feel like you're falling. You feel panic, anxiety, and all of the true feelings, the rage that you have at the narcissist will come out.
	No, I don't think paranoia...
	You could be right, obviously.
	I don't particularly think paranoia.
	It doesn't mean I'm right. Paranoia is a whole different thing, and we should get into paranoia at something as a topic at some point.
	But let me just make a note of that.
	This is great. So, your whole life is managing the narcissist.
	Without the narcissist, what happens is...
	You begin to feel the rage towards the narcissist.
	Now, what happens if you're around a narcissist and you feel rage towards the narcissist?
	What happens?
	They attack you, that's right.
	How dark do we want to go here?
	How dark. We can go really dark here, because it's a dark place, man.
	Man, this is a dark place.
	I wanna make sure I respect your desire for this.
	I'm not sure if I'm doing this right.
	Thank you.
	It's dark. Okay, I just want to check.
	All right. How many computers have you thrown out?
	I got to think, for me, it's probably at least 15 over the years.
	I have no idea, right? How many computers have you disposed of?
	I'm talking since my first computer when I was like 11, whatever, right?
	So... You've only had one CPU. All right.
	Thanks, Jared. I appreciate that.
	All right. How many cell phones have you tossed in a box, tossed in a drawer, tossed out, recycled, whatever it is that you've done, right?
	How many? Yeah, let's do cell phones.
	We'll do cell phones separately. I mean, I hang on to cell phones until they, like, won't charge at all.
	Like, you unplug them and you can watch the bar going down.
	Right. Ten.
	Eight. At least a dozen.
	Yeah. Yeah.
	Right. Now...
	Do you ever think that when you have a piece of electronics that doesn't serve your needs anymore, it doesn't work or doesn't do what you want it to do, do you ever think, oh gosh, you know, I should give it a good home, I should try and make it comfortable, I should, you know, put it in some pillows and make sure it gets some electricity from time to time?
	Or do you just toss it in a fucking drawer and forget about it?
	Yeah, you just toss it out, right you
	You just toss it up.
	So, please understand the danger you're in around narcissists.
	Please understand that when your machines don't serve your needs anymore, you kill them.
	They are completely fucking disposable to you.
	Right?
	I mean, you know this is what, this is all the Toy Story is about, right?
	This is why Toy Story is so sentimental to people.
	Toy Story is the toys begging to be alive to a narcissistic parent.
	It's children begging to be alive to a narcissistic parent.
	I put a spell on you.
	You are completely fucking disposable to the narcissist because the narcissist
	only cares about you so to speak if you serve his or her needs.
	If you don't serve the narcissist needs you're completely disposable.
	Now, we're going to go ahead and close out the webinar.
	Narcissists seek object to exploit.
	No, no, no, no, no. Oh, my God.
	You're still trying to judge the narcissist like they're you.
	They're not seeking an object to exploit.
	I didn't buy a watch to exploit it.
	The toys can't give feedback and it can only have preferences when Andy isn't around.
	Yeah, Andy comes around, they all pretend to be inanimate.
	This is like siblings who give each other some comfort and playtime until dad comes home and then they got to be
	fucking dead Receptacles of dad's needs, right?
	So do you understand the danger that you're in with the narcissist that you supply the narcissist needs or you die
	Bye.
	And think of this evolutionarily speaking.
	Narcissism was the default human position.
	It's the default human psychology.
	You've got to listen to the French Revolution presentation, right?
	The stages of parenting.
	So, you're around a narcissist, you serve their fucking needs or you die.
	Right? Like, evolutionarily speaking, if you didn't serve your parents' needs and they're narcissists, they wouldn't bother taking care of you or protecting you or feeding you.
	Right?
	Does this make sense?
	Narcissists don't think of destroying you any more than you think of murdering your
	cell phones.
	again.
	you You have to fantasize that they hate you to imagine you have a relationship.
	Does that make sense? If your parents don't want to take care of you, evolutionarily speaking, you're dead.
	Think of Harry Potter, right?
	Harry Potter doesn't serve the needs of Uncle Dursley, or whatever his name is, right?
	He doesn't serve the needs, so he's just locked in a closet.
	Now, of course, the story of Harry Potter is the story of a boy who's locked in a closet for so long, he goes insane.
	He's put in an insane asylum because he's violent towards the fat boy.
	He's put in an insane asylum, and his insanity is that the insane asylum is a wizarding school, right?
	So he's tortured and mentally destroyed to the point, and there's significant mental health issues in the writer's family.
	So... The story of Harry Potter is a story of a boy who's so abused he becomes violent and then he's locked up in a mental asylum but he pretends to himself his psychosis is that it's a wizarding school.
	Oh, the penny dropped? Good.
	Good. Any idea what age you think a narcissist is born?
	We're all born narcissists.
	Narcissism is a continuation.
	Narcissism is a form of neoteny.
	Neoteny is when you retain childhood characteristics up into adulthood.
	Like women are neotenous, right?
	They're smaller like children.
	They keep their hair like children.
	They have higher voices like children.
	They don't grow beards like children.
	So women are neotenous.
	Narcissism is just infancy forever.
	It's not personal.
	I mean, do you think my mother hated me?
	In my view, my mother was not sadistic.
	She was just a narcissist, right?
	Well, Voldemort is the ultimate expression of a lack of self-knowledge.
	you Like, he has no no's.
	He knows nothing. He literally is noseless.
	He lacks knowledge, right?
	Is that a relief in a way for you, Steph?
	That's a huge relief. Yeah, thinking you're hated by the narcissist is a way of imagining there's a relationship.
	So yeah, we're all born narcissists and that's perfectly right and healthy.
	Like you wouldn't want a baby sitting there saying, well, I'm going to die if I don't get any food, but I really don't want to wake up my mom.
	Like your baby just expresses his needs.
	The baby doesn't really think.
	And I think my daughter was about six months of age when she began feeding me back.
	Like she recognized that food is pleasurable and she wanted to feed.
	So yeah, we're all born narcissists in my view, right?
	So if you don't grow up, you're both narcissistic and socialistic, right?
	Now, socialism is the government has to be my family because my family sucked, right?
	And so, narcissism is devilish in a way because what it does is it lures you into a kind of
	innocent exploitation of others.
	...
	I've got a whole show on Harry Potter.
	You should watch it. So what narcissism does is you exploit others.
	Nobody cares for you.
	You don't care for others. It's kill or be killed.
	Exploit or be exploited.
	Use others or be used yourself.
	And so what happens is you exploit others as a means of survival and then you feel tremendous and accelerating guilt and then what happens is you're sealed in a tomb of narcissism because when you've exploited others for a certain amount of time, particularly when you do it as an adult and in particular against children, what happens is to recognize the existence of other people would be to face a bottomless sense of guilt at having exploited others.
	And so you get trapped in narcissism because you are staving off suicide by staving off the existence of others.
	To recognize the existence of others will be to recognize that you've harmed and exploited others,
	you've become an abuser, and you won't want to live.
	Narcissism starts as a survival mechanism, and it ends up as a survival mechanism.
	It's just survival all the way through but it's a different kind of survival, right?
	And this is why people say, well what's the motive of a narcissist?
	Like, you'll never know.
	You'll never know. You'll never know.
	Because the only person who can tell you the truth is a narcissist, and a narcissist has no relationship to the truth.
	And again, it's not even exploitation.
	You can look at it from the outside and say, oh, but that person's exploiting and all of that.
	So why do people hang with narcissists?
	Because they don't want to face the death anxiety provoked within them by defying the narcissist in the same way that if your phone was alive, it wouldn't want to stop working for you.
	Because if it stops working for you, you're putting it in a fucking landfill.
	People hang with narcissists so that they won't face the death anxiety that they would
	experience by defying the narcissist.
	Because to defy the narcissist is to die, evolutionarily, historically.
	to defy the narcissist is to die does this make sense
	And of course, what was the chance of escaping narcissism throughout almost all of human history with the faint glimmer of self and identity and reason and virtue where the land on someone?
	What was the...
	There was no escape.
	Every time I self-attack, I say, hi, mom, and it just stops.
	It's like looking a monster in the eye.
	Thanks for that great show last week.
	Beautiful, well done.
	I dated a narcissist who would actually recite his own lies to himself, like it was total
	madness.
	If you imagine your phone was alive, would it want to defy your wishes?
	No. Would it want to stop working for you?
	No. Because you'll kill it.
	You'll murder your phone if it doesn't serve your needs.
	Why do people hang with narcissists?
	Because it's the only way they know how to not die.
	It's the only way they know how to not be killed or abandoned.
	Do you make sense? It's like saying, why do people eat?
	It's the only way they know how to live.
	It's the only way they can live. That's some sick shit.
	Well, you can say so, and I understand that.
	Do they have the ghost of a narcissist in their head that they're protected by keeping a narcissist in their life?
	I think that may be a bit overcomplicated.
	Defying the narcissist is to die.
	So why do people hang with narcissists?
	Because to defy the narcissist is to die.
	That's their equation.
	My father could talk for hours without a word from me.
	Narcissist? Yeah.
	He wants to talk.
	Amazing as always, socialism and narcissism summed up beautifully.
	A socialism is the desire to avoid the pain of childhood by recreating the state as parent, as good parent, as healthy parent, as caring, providing parent.
	And so the state, of course, has a heavy investment in having bad childhoods.
	The state is heavily invested in having bad childhoods because when people grow up with bad childhoods, they have unmet needs from their parents, which they can then be redirected through sophistry to pursue the state, right?
	The state will protect me, the state will feed me, give me health care, take care of me, all the stuff your parents should have done.
	Yeah, my mother would sort of sit and talk to me about all these weird, crazy things that were going on in her dating life or social life or this or that, the other, and it was just like, yeah, I wasn't there.
	She didn't want to feel crazy, so she didn't want to talk to herself, but I wasn't there for her.
	She just needed someone breathing in the room.
	If I do a show and the microphone hasn't worked, I'm kind of annoyed, right?
	Because nobody can listen to it.
	So I need a microphone, otherwise I'm kind of a crazy guy talking to myself, right?
	And so they need someone to listen so that they don't feel crazy.
	But they don't want you to give them feedback.
	My wife just ended a 30-year friendship after going into business with a narcissist.
	Amazing that we didn't realize it after all these years.
	It wasn't until her ex-friend's control was questioned.
	I'm out.
	No, this is when my mother, she turned, I didn't realize this so much later, she turned 40 and she was still unmarried and that of course is a, you know, her looks were fading and she couldn't give men kids anymore so her sexual market value was plummeting and so she just wouldn't get out of bed.
	She was so depressed about turning 40 and I would make her tea in the morning, she wouldn't get out of bed.
	I'd make her tea and toast in the morning and I'd put it by her bed and I'd clear it away at lunch when I came home from school and then make, she just wouldn't get out of bed.
	So she wasn't rude, she was just Cratering, because she had made no plans for the second half of her life, and that's really when her mental illness began to grow and really consume her.
	not mental illness or corruption.
	As a rule, I know if I feel a strong sense of familiarity with a new person, they're probably a narcissist.
	Would you like to know how to spot him?
	Helpful useful life tip to know how to spot him Come on I check and see if this is a value to people
	You You
	You You
	Bye.
	Okay, so how much do you feel like yourself in your closest relationships?
	Plus 10 to minus 10. Minus 10, you have to lie about everything.
	Plus 10, you can be completely yourself.
	So how much do you feel...
	Yourself in your closest relationship.
	Or your closest relationships.
	Covert narcissists are hard.
	No, very easy. It's all very easy.
	Nine, good. They're always so charming at first.
	No, it's totally obvious.
	It's totally obvious.
	Plus 10. Excellent.
	9 to 10. Plus 10.
	7. Okay, good. Right.
	You have no defense against a narcissist if you don't have good relationships in your life.
	You have no defense against a narcissist if you don't have good relationships in your life.
	Do you know why? You're wide open, man.
	You are splayed open. You're a sacrificial lamb.
	You're an Aztec kid in the altar, half-drugged, about to lose their intestines.
	You have no protection against a narcissist if you don't have good relationships.
	Because you don't have the fundamental equation you need for security in this life.
	Thank you.
	Because good people will point them out.
	No. Because you're saved whether they're around or not.
	You can just meet someone at a party.
	None of your friends are around and you'll know immediately.
	If you don't have good relationships and you meet a narcissist, you won't even know it because you won't have anything to compare it to.
	And you've got to have good relationships and you've got to pursue those good relationships.
	You've got to maintain those good relationships and you've got to engage in those good relationships
	So that when you meet a narcissist you've got something to compare it to
	Good people are a moat to keep the barbarians out of your castle
	You . .
	.
	So when you have a good relationship and you're honest and you're direct, right, and you can speak your mind and you don't have to self-censor and you want to share, then you come across someone and you say, holy shit, I really don't feel like myself around this person.
	I really feel like I've got a self-censor.
	I really get a sense of caution around this person.
	Something's off, right?
	Right? You've got something to compare it to.
	No. You can't blame the...
	You can't blame the narcissist.
	They're a machine. They're a robot.
	You can blame yourself as an adult, not as a child.
	You can blame yourself as an adult for not having the human shield of better relationships.
	Blaming the narcissist is way too easy.
	It's like blaming a lion when you've wrapped marinade all over yourself and laying down in the Serengeti.
	Yeah, Dave says, I'm so used to having to self-censor.
	Yeah, so you don't notice the difference.
	Funny you say this, because looking back, all the narcissists I dated eventually demanded I end my relationships with other people.
	I recall one guy actually threatened to insult a member of a church choir I was in, so I quit the choir out of fear.
	Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah, I'm sorry to hear that This person's a narcissist
	Compared to what? Compared to a non-narcissist.
	But if you don't have non-narcissists in your life, you won't be able to identify the narcissists.
	Did you see what I mean? I remember you saying good people are a shield against the bad people.
	Of course. And it happens at a very instinctual level.
	It happens at a very instinctual level.
	This is why it's so essential to have good people in your life and to be the good people
	in other people's life, because we all have to go like a fucking Roman phalanx around
	the world, back to back, shields up, Captain, to keep the hordes of bats and predators and
	carnivores and scavengers away for an ad's resources, joy, happiness, virtue, and life.
	A narcissist is created by parents who spoil their children.
	What does spoiled children mean?
	Nobody knows what that means. What does it mean to spoil your children?
	Help me understand. To give them stuff instead of attention?
	What do you mean? Spoil your children.
	Dave says, I moved to another area of the country by myself and they all came out of the woodwork trying to get control
	of my property.
	I shed most of them into the second round of people, seemed to be better.
	Good. No, don't answer, lurid seraphim.
	Don't answer until you get definitions.
	Spoil their children. What does that mean?
	Not hitting them? I mean, nobody knows what that means.
	That's not an objective definition.
	What does it mean to spoil your children?
	Nobody, I mean, getting things without earning a consequence or understanding.
	Golden child syndrome.
	I don't know what that means.
	Getting things? Love?
	It's hard to define. I mean, God, you guys are too smart for this.
	I'm sorry, I've got to honor your higher selves.
	You're too smart for this.
	How do you create a narcissistic person?
	Well, you threaten to end them explicitly or implicitly if they don't serve your needs as children.
	You serve my needs or to hell with you.
	That's like, I don't know, a golden child syndrome, any of this stuff, right?
	Narcissists are made by ignoring the kids or by only giving attention when they, quote, earn it.
	No. Narcissists are made by receiving explicit or implicit death threats if they don't serve the needs of their parents.
	Because you're saying ignoring the kids, well, lots of kids who are ignored, they don't become narcissists.
	I've heard spoiling is when you give them something without them knowing what it takes to get that.
	But we're talking about very early life.
	What, are you going to lecture your kid about the fact that mommy had to go to the grocery stores to get enough food so that the kid can get milk?
	Death threats. Can you elaborate?
	Dave already did this. With the cell phone.
	Remember the cell phone? If the cell phone doesn't serve your needs, you throw it out?
	You guys are wandering, like, way off what we've talked about.
	Yeah, threat of being discarded.
	You don't please me, you don't get food.
	You don't please me, I don't protect you from predators.
	You don't please me, you sleep on the outside of the camp.
	You don't please me, you sleep beyond the fire.
	You don't sleep me, I don't stay up to protect you.
	You don't please me, it's a survival mechanism.
	Sure, yeah.
	I had those lectures, I felt very guilty for existing.
	Ah, so narcissism is likely found through a family's lineage.
	Makes sense. Oh, this is mildly annoying.
	Just absorb the lesson.
	You don't have to add to it right away.
	way you've got enough to learn by absorbing this lesson.
	I mean it's like I haven't You guys are just theorizing about narcissism Like I didn't just talk about it for an hour straight.
	Hey, you don't have to agree with me, but you're completely ignoring what I said.
	Yeah, I had a girlfriend who was threatened to break up if I didn't know what she wanted.
	Sure. Yeah, and you're going to break up with your cell phone if it doesn't do what you're going to toss it out, right?
	Yeah, like, tell me if, I mean, haven't I just dropped a whole bunch of, like, emotional and logic bombs on you and you're all like, yes, but let me theorize more about narcissism.
	I've just illuminated half the planet and you're like, but let's look at the other half, quick, right away.
	You're avoiding the emotional impact of the lesson by getting really, really intellectual on it.
	Does this make sense?
	You're trying to avoid the impact of this knowledge by trying to think beyond it, outside it, running away from the light.
	Right? You, honestly, you could spend six months on just what I've said here and you wouldn't be done.
	And you're all like, but, but, but, but, what about this?
	And but spoiling? And does it create a bit this?
	Right? Just remember the cell phone.
	You're just a thing to be used.
	And if you don't serve their needs, you're disposable.
	I hate narcissists.
	When I ignore my gut, I find myself knee-deep in narcissistic crap.
	You hate narcissists.
	But narcissists are NPCs.
	Do you hate NPCs in video games?
	Going back to unactionable theories Well, it's a way of, I've got to understand more, and it's a way of just ignoring what you've just seen over the last hour.
	I don't really see them the same.
	As NPCs? Okay, I could be completely wrong, of course.
	It's always a constant threat when you're at the frothing edge of knowledge like this.
	Do you think narcissists, by the time they're adults, right?
	Let's say a narcissist at the age of 25 or 30.
	Oh, I just hit you, Doug. Let's say, look, a narcissist at 30.
	Does a narcissist at 30 have free will?
	You see them as master manipulators.
	NPCs are sleepwalkers' followers.
	No, NPCs aren't sleepwalkers.
	NPCs can start wars.
	They're not sleepwalkers. You can say master manipulators, but that's having a moral judgment about something which is not a moral relationship.
	You see, if you imbue the narcissist with moral judgment, with a moral evaluation, then
	you're subject to their moral disapproval.
	My mother never judged me morally.
	Never. She might have yelled at me or called me names or said I was a bad kid or whatever.
	She never judged me morally.
	Any more than if you just throw something away from you in frustration, you think it's evil.
	It's just really annoying and it's a terrible situation, right?
	I mean, when a tennis player smashes his racket, does he think the racket is evil?
	Is he morally judging it?
	No, he's just banging it out of his frustration.
	Every adult without cognitive deficits has free will.
	They are responsible for their actions.
	Are you talking legally or like in practical terms?
	I mean, don't we throw people in jail because they can't be reasoned with,
	because we say that they have no functional free will to prevent further recurrence of crimes?
	Am I wrong? I mean, the guy with the 90% approval reigning in El Salvador who threw 50,000 people in prison and reduced the murder rate by like 90% or something, isn't he throwing those people in prison because they have no functional free will to prevent repetition of crimes?
	This is why recidivism rates or recurring of crime is so high.
	If you can reason with someone and talk them out of immoral actions, you don't throw them in jail.
	isn't throwing them in jail saying you have no capacity to prevent repetition of crimes?
	I'm glad. Thank you for the tip.
	you I mean, don't we view criminals as machines in a way?
	But the narcissists have selective free will, so they're responsible.
	Boy, Douglas, you really do make some very complex arguments as if they're just absolutely true.
	Yeah, but narcissists have selective free will, so they're responsible.
	What on earth does that mean?
	What's your definition of free will?
	What's your definition of narcissism?
	How will we tell what selective versus non-selective is?
	If I just said, narcissists are like cell phones, thanks, that's all, I'm out of here!
	It must be interesting to see two narcissists interact.
	Well, they interact a lot, because they both have things that each other need, right?
	They'll probably be more threatening than bribery, because they understand the game, right?
	Yeah, mental hospitals is when someone's beyond reason, right?
	They have no functional free will left.
	But Douglas I didn't mean to be mean or anything I'm certainly happy to hear more about this selective free will idea.
	I just... I don't know.
	Like, narcissists will say that you have free will, right?
	Like, a narcissist will say that you're responsible for your actions.
	So the narcissist will say, I believe in free will.
	You had free will.
	You did something wrong.
	Therefore, you owe me. So a narcissist will blame a five-year-old for taking money from his purse or from her purse, right?
	And she'll say, well, you have free will.
	As a five-year-old, you have free will and you are morally responsible for your actions and all of that.
	But that's just because saying that people have free will and that they're morally responsible for their actions is a way to control them and get them to do what you want.
	They don't actually believe that.
	They just know that the words free will are a magic key that opens and unlocks other people's subjugation and therefore their resources.
	In this case, the resource is obedience, right?
	They never take on that responsibility themselves.
	Well, of course not. Any more than you want to become a cell phone, right?
	I mean, you can't use things if they're like you, so you have to dehumanize them in order to use them.
	If you thought that your cell phone had preferences and a free will, then you'd have to negotiate, right?
	They will give you a little attention and expect you to worship them.
	Oh no, see, you still keep bringing all this moral stuff into it.
	They'll do what it takes to get the resources from you, right?
	If you watch a toddler, you put a cupcake on a shelf, the toddler will just get some books and try to climb the shelf.
	They just want the cupcake.
	Like, you're angry and enraged and frustrated and blah, right?
	Free will is clouded in my head.
	Now that's, I mean, I appreciate that.
	I mean, I've got a whole three-part series on free will I did some years ago.
	But they will never push their actions or interests through the same moral filter they use to bludgeon.
	Well, of course not. I mean, that's like saying that Lions aren't vegetarians.
	Lions will eat meat, but they don't like to be eaten.
	Of course not. Lions like to eat zebras.
	They don't like to be eaten by hyenas.
	Right? But what about if my mom was very vicious and cruel and sadistic, and she always tried to get me to lower my defenses, to get my true self, and then attack me in some disgusting way?
	But that's not a narcissist.
	I mean you could say her need is to be cruel and all of that but the narcissist is just
	it's an amoral machinery to get what you want.
	Now we don't want to be taken advantage of or exploited or whatever moral terms that
	We don't want to have that happen to us so we don't hang out with narcissists, right?
	Non-narcissist thinks narcissists are like them.
	Yeah, so for you to be really cruel to someone, you'd have to really hate them, right?
	Right? But you understand, like, the pig farmer who wants bacon doesn't hate his pigs.
	He might actually have some real affection towards his pigs.
	Doesn't mean he won't eat them, right?
	Like, when my daughter has ducks, we don't want 10,000 ducklings.
	So we take their eggs, right?
	We don't hate our ducks. We love our ducks.
	But we don't want all these ducklings, so we take their eggs.
	It's not hatred. So, this is really, really important.
	Because if you hate them, you're thinking they're like you, which means you think they're capable of a relationship, and therefore the hatred will keep you stuck in this, right?
	You think the guy with the bolt that kills the...
	Cows? Do you think he's like, fuck these cows, man.
	I hate these fucking cows.
	I'm going to kill as many cows as I want because these cows killed my family.
	Vengeance! Right?
	He's not like some Old Testament god.
	He's just like, I've got to kill the cows because that's how you get the meat.
	They don't hate them.
	The narcissist doesn't hate you because you don't exist to the narcissist.
	Like somebody who screams at their cell phone and says, I hate you, cell phone.
	I mean, that would be a crazy person, right?
	Can a narcissist hate them?
	I don't know what that means.
	That's not a sentence then.
	You don't have a relationship with a narcissist.
	The farmer doesn't have a relationship with his livestock, other than maybe an economic profit.
	It's not a relationship.
	The farmer and his livestock.
	Now, if you're a really crazy farmer and you're a sadist, then you will torture your animals, which is horrible and wrong and cruel.
	So if you're a really vicious, mean, nasty farmer, then you will torture your animals.
	And then maybe that's weird and bizarre and cruel and nasty and all of that, right?
	Yeah, bad, bad, very bad, right?
	But, you know, taking the...
	You know, you don't go out to your chickens with a big bucket and say, ah, you chickens.
	You're such shitty parents.
	I'm going to punish you.
	You also, you clock in the morning and you crap everywhere.
	I'm taking your kids, man.
	I'm taking your kids. Screw you, chickens.
	I'm making your chicken abortions orphans.
	So what happens when a farmer makes a pet out of one of its stock?
	Oh, my God. I get that this is tough stuff to hear.
	Then be honest. There's something I struggle to understand.
	Sadism. Well, I'm not going to do sadism because we've been two hours and ten minutes, but I will make a note.
	Is the farmer healed if he makes one of the cows his pet?
	No, he's a pedophile.
	No, you're all like, oh, what's the exception?
	What if, for God's sakes, man?
	Stay with the argument.
	There's so much illumination here.
	Well, what about this? And what about that?
	Like, oh my God, just stay with the argument.
	Like, think about this for a month and then you can come up with some...
	Pets are also exploitation in general.
	Pets are also exploitation.
	Because from the pet you're taking companionship and family in order to get
	Dopamine delivery mechanism for yourself, right?
	The narcissist doesn't hate you he's angry when you don't give him what he wants
	but he doesn't hate you yeah people are jumping out into abstractions in order to
	avoid Come on, guys, you know this is hitting you hard emotionally, right?
	I mean, with all due respect, love, and sympathy, and I really do respect you for having these difficult conversations.
	It's an amazing, beautiful thing.
	But you all know this is hitting you very hard emotionally.
	Not just because of what was done to you, but I would imagine that the people it's hitting the most hard emotionally are the people who are looking...
	At themselves and saying, have I done it?
	Have I done it? Spoiler!
	Yes, you have. So have I. Everyone has.
	Because that's the default human position.
	Empathy is a mutant gene.
	Empathy is a rocket to the spread-wing condors of human history.
	Empathy is wild post-monkey beta expansion pack buggy DLC. And you can have your criticisms for having been exploitive, as I have, as you have, as everyone has.
	This conversation is kicking me hard in the feels.
	Yes. Good.
	Good. We all got to face down that bastard in the mirror, right?
	That exploiter, right?
	That exploiter. We all got to face that person down.
	Oh man, how do we fix it?
	That is another way of avoiding the feelings.
	I'm going to fix it! First of all, get comfortable with it.
	Get comfortable with the fact that you can exploit others as I can, as everyone can.
	Get comfortable with it. It's an impulse.
	It's why we're all here.
	So a narcissist cannot hate.
	They are regulated as a rather small set of the emotional landscape.
	I'm shaking from how close this is.
	In what way? In what way is this close?
	While you answer that, a narcissist Cannot hate.
	A narcissist can only call frustration hatred.
	And the person who frustrates them immoral.
	Now, why does the narcissist say that the person who hates them is immoral?
	Is it because they genuinely think that they're immoral and have a moral standard and a moral value and abstract ethical reasoning?
	Nope! Why does the narcissist call the person who frustrates him immoral?
	Why does the narcissist say that the person who frustrates him is immoral?
	call.
	He's an evil, racist, sexist, phobic, whatever, right?
	Why? Why does the narcissist...
	Yeah. Because moral...
	Calling someone immoral is a great way to get them to change their behavior and get them to give you what the fuck you want.
	I gave you the goddamn quarter.
	Give me my fucking coke.
	You shake the machine if it doesn't give you what you want, right?
	You thump the TV if it's fading out right when you need to see what's happening in the sports game.
	Yeah. You call someone immoral.
	Oh, I don't want to. You call someone a racist.
	Oh, I don't want to. You call someone a sexist.
	Oh, I don't want to. Right? Yeah, they get so frustrated.
	It's not hatred. It's just a temper tantrum.
	Yeah. You're supposed to do what I want.
	And if you don't do what I want, I'll call you a hater, a racist, a sexist, a phobic, you're just a bastard, you're just evil.
	Because that's just, it's not a moral judgment, it's just, well, if I say these magic spells called evil, evil is just a spell that the wizards of narcissism cast to control other people, right?
	Did you follow what... Like, they don't care about morality, they know you care about morality.
	This is hitting me hard. I'm even fogging out.
	I'm going to have to listen to this one twice.
	Man up! Yeah.
	Real man, right? Real man is another fucking witch cast from hell, right?
	A real man would run real man right?
	They're all just spells cast to control you.
	Thank you.
	Right? Meanwhile, I'm worried about how I've made them feel because I don't want to cause anyone harm.
	Right, so that's you mistaking you for them.
	Dave says I've been thinking about this stuff for months.
	I find I'm most susceptible to them when I expect them to save me or to do things for me that I haven't earned, thus me trying to exploit them and hoping that they'll be like the parents I never had.
	So I'm vulnerable to being manipulated by them to make them feel good, under the pretenses that can save me.
	It's been on my mind for a while.
	My poor behavior makes me a target.
	Dave, would you like the answer?
	You're close, in my humble opinion.
	Would you like the answer? Do you know how you stay controlled and manipulated?
	Do you know how you stay so controlled and manipulated?
	You're close. But this one I know for sure.
	I have no doubt on this one.
	Acting like I'm not responsible for myself.
	No. It's hard to see.
	It's hard to see. And it's really, really heartbreaking.
	Dave, my friend, my brother.
	The reason you're trying to get them to be good parents is you want to avoid the pain
	of accepting that it will never happen.
	You want to be a good parent.
	The reason you want to manipulate them into being better parents, good parents, decent
	parents caring for you, is that you wish desperately to avoid the pain of accepting it will never
	happen.
	Once you're an adult, if your parents were bad, they can never ever ever become good,
	as they will all be locking the barn door after the horses left.
	you You must pray in a way for your parents to recover their conscience if they're bad before you become an adult.
	Let's say they starved you as a kid and they give you extra food as an adult.
	Have they solved the problem? It won't happen.
	If you weren't parented as a child, you will never be parented.
	You will never, ever, ever be parented if you weren't parented as a child.
	Honestly, if you weren't breastfed, you'd go to your mother when she's 70 and say,
	Time to breastfeed me, 70-year-old mom. You know, I talked to a guy today.
	It's just, I mean, it's awful.
	I talked to a guy today who was born addicted to heroin.
	He was born addicted to heroin.
	He had to spend the first couple of weeks in the NCU. No, they're not broken indefinitely.
	Some things can't be fixed after they're broken.
	They're just broken indefinitely.
	No. No.
	That's the fear.
	That's what keeps you going back.
	If I can't fix my parents, I'm broken forever.
	I'm sad forever. I grieve forever.
	No. No!
	A thousand times no.
	Infinity no.
	Nobody has the power to break you forever.
	Nobody has the power to break you forever.
	Never surrender your capacity to be right fucking okay.
	That's a curse!
	Oh, you better fix things with your parents or you'll be broken forever!
	No! Now, chasing after narcissists, trying to get them to be like you, that's going to be a forever breaking.
	Forever and ever.
	Amen. You will be running off that cliff until the end of time.
	Are you telling me that accepting truth, accepting reality, accepting facts breaks you forever?
	Ooh, that's just a voodoo curse.
	That's how the narcissists keep you around.
	Well, you got to fix things with us, so you're broken forever.
	Fuck no. Holy shit.
	Do you think me being broken or not broken is dependent upon me fixing my mom?
	Oh my God.
	What a fucking nightmare that would be.
	What a hellscape that would be.
	Does this make sense?
	Like... Why would my virtue, my ethics, reality, integrity, why would that be dependent on making crazy people sane?
	Or growing empathy in people barren of the entity?
	No! Absolutely not!
	Shrugged that shit right off, man.
	Holy crap!
	Holy crap!
	Your relationship...
	Your relationship is always and forever with one thing and one thing only,
	no matter what, no matter who, no matter where, no matter when, no matter how you do it.
	Your relationship is with one thing and one thing only, and that is virtue.
	Truth, honor, integrity, acceptance, facts, reality, reason, Your relationship is only in forever with virtue.
	Now, do broken people bar you from being virtuous?
	Do broken people bar you from knowing the truth?
	Do broken people bar you from accepting reality?
	Do they have that power?
	Answer! Do they have that power?
	If there's someone in the world, I don't care how close they are to you, who thinks that two and two equal a blue unicorn, do they prevent you physically from accepting that two and two make four?
	Ever! Do crazy people buy you from sanity?
	Do delusional people buy you from truth?
	Do corrupt people bar you from integrity?
	We're fucked if they do.
	We're all fucked if they do.
	I mean, they can kill you, but they can't force you.
	You know what? I'm not gonna do it.
	...
	you If you think you have to talk crazy people into being sane
	in order for you to be unbroken You're still their slave
	I don't even fucking need my YouTube channel from crazy people
	you I don't need my Twitter.
	I don't need... I would give it all up.
	But I won't be broken into unreality.
	I won't be broken into unreality.
	That's not gonna happen.
	No.
	They can't buy you from it.
	Christ and all the saints have showed us that.
	Straight up. Straight up.
	Can you imagine me saying, well, I can't be a peaceful parent until my parents are peaceful parents.
	I can't be a good parent until my bad parents are good parents.
	What a nightmare.
	What a horror show.
	I don't mean your lives, I just mean that thought.
	Am I wrong? Am I wrong?
	I keep thinking you mean narcs, like narcotics officers.
	Narcissists. No, it's totally fine.
	fine. I'm translating it in my head.
	Who is forcing you not to believe that two and two make four?
	Who is forcing you to believe that two and two don't make four?
	Even if it's only in your mind, even if it's only in your head, who is forcing you to live in unreality?
	Now, North Korea, I get it, right?
	Cuba I get it. Who is forcing you to live in unreality?
	Forcing you.
	You're chasing bad parents to become good parents and demanding that they
	become good parents based on the delusion that you can have legitimate needs with narcissistic people.
	You're chasing bad parents to become good parents and demanding that they become good parents.
	You have nothing to gain from selfish people and everything to lose.
	You have nothing to gain. Look, I hope I have some credibility in this.
	this I haven't talked to my mom for a quarter century and my dad died three years ago.
	Do you think that I had to wait to speak reason to the world, to speak virtue to the world
	I had to wait until my parents became good people.
	That would just be a way of saying, I don't want to.
	I don't want to. I don't want to be a good person.
	I don't want to look in the mirror and say, I don't want to be a good person, so I'll just pretend that when something impossible happens, I'll be a good person.
	When the sun and the moon are the same size, I'll be a good person.
	When there's day and night at the same time, I'll be the same person.
	I'll be a good person. When up is down, black is white, and gravity reverses itself, and the world is flat, I'll be a good person.
	Okay, just say I don't want to be a good person.
	It's too hard. Okay, that's fine to be honest, but don't blame your parents and say, well, once they change, I can be better.
	Oh, we're going to pursue them and try and make them be a good person.
	Just say you don't want to do it.
	Be honest with yourself.
	I don't want to be a good person. It's too hard.
	There's nothing wrong with that. It's no dishonor.
	And that is honest. I don't want to do politics.
	I don't want to do politics. A couple of years ago, I don't want to do politics.
	I stopped doing politics. And your parents are probably dangling, like they know your need, right? Well, we keep them around by pretending to be sane, by being nicer, by being better.
	We're not going to be, now that he's independent of us, now that he can leave us, we're going to be way saner.
	And that also gets the gaslighting about his childhood.
	So they're just dangling this stuff over you Actually, I was introduced to you by a friend as someone
	who knew about my relationship with my mom And he thought I'd appreciate your insight about dealing
	with holding strong to my defiance and the importance of the human experience.
	Why do you need defiance?
	Why is there a fight? Do you play chess with people who punch you if they lose?
	No. It's not part of the game.
	It's not a thing in chess.
	Do you see what I mean? I told the guy in an interview, if you told me two plus two is five, I had to be able to tell him it was four.
	He said, yes, but if I tell you to say it's five, you must say five.
	I didn't take the job. Good for you.
	Good for you. Probably ended up being, avoiding some eventual criminal investigation.
	Because she wanted me to lie for her and I wouldn't so she rejected me
	Yes, but is there still are you still bleeding energy and defiance now
	You know?
	you Am I fighting my mother?
	Have you ever seen me fight my mother?
	Did you ever hear of me fighting my father?
	Chess boxing is a thing in Russia.
	Yeah.
	Well, if there's one place, right?
	Yeah, literally 1984.
	Two and two make whatever the party says it makes.
	She won't speak to me at all now, actually.
	Last time I knocked on her door, she said she'd call the police if I didn't leave.
	When was the last time you knocked on her door?
	When was the last time you knocked on her door?
	And why did you do that?
	And spoiler, you say she won't speak to me at all now actually.
	She never spoke to you. Well, you were the first person I ever heard speak about their mother without complete sympathy.
	Oh, two years ago? Yeah, she never spoke to you.
	Defoeing is not rejecting a relationship.
	It's not ending a relationship. It's just recognizing that there isn't one.
	Right? Just recognizing that there isn't one.
	The ANCAP candidate won in Argentina.
	How do you know that a conversation is really bothering someone when they try to pull you off with the siren song
	of politics?
	Let's talk about Argentina I'm gonna go.
	Bye.
	I know, I know.
	It's hard. It's hard.
	It's hard. Because this is actionable.
	This is real. Right?
	The guy in Argentina who has had threesomes wants open borders and wants to model the political system after Ireland.
	Yeah, good luck with that.
	My family hated me because they were unethical and evil.
	There was no need for me to want their approval.
	If they liked me, then I'd have a problem.
	You talked about this ages ago in a call-in.
	I saw you forgive your mother.
	Me? Okay.
	Maybe not have been me.
	No, Dave, oh my god.
	You didn't include the word, and I'll just close up on this one.
	You didn't include my family hated me.
	Do you think your family hated you?
	It's so hard to accept that my mother doesn't care about me.
	It feels like I'm missing something, but I'm not.
	She really doesn't care, and it feels no remorse for abusing me as a child.
	It's so hard to accept that my mother doesn't care about me.
	I know. You understand that's a little bit of the narcissism, right?
	It's narcissistic to think that narcissists are like you.
	That's how they infect and that's how they exploit, right?
	They'll implant your own narcissism so that you think everyone's like you.
	It's narcissistic.
	And listen, God knows, I have no defense in this.
	I'm probably more subject to this than anyone in this conversation with least excuse.
	So I say this with all abject, humble humility and self-criticism.
	It's narcissistic to think that narcissists are like you.
	That's how the virus spreads!
	Because it keeps you in their orbit, trying to get stuff.
	Oh, they're like me. I care.
	They must care. There's got to be some way to unlock their...
	Like, they unlock resources from me.
	I've got to unlock their compassion from them.
	It's not there.
	Empathy is 13 brain functions all working in concert over the first year or two of life.
	Empathy isn't in them any more than a deep knowledge of Klingon is in them.
	They don't hate you.
	I did drop the word me on my phone.
	They hated that I bucked their lies, saw me as a troublemaker.
	My father tried to destroy me multiple times over the years, even as a little child.
	And for that, Dave, I have massive, massive sympathy.
	They don't hate you.
	In my view, in my opinion, I don't know you.
	We can do a call-in. Call in at freedomain.com.
	Why can't it just be easy?
	Oh my god, people, I'm trying to make it easy, but you keep complicating it.
	I'm trying to make it easy for you.
	Hit me with a why if you understand that I'm trying to make it dead simple for you.
	I'm trying to uncomplicate and unfuck all of this thinking.
	You understand? I'm trying to make it simple.
	Why can't it just be easy?
	Try listening. I can't work any harder to make it any simpler.
	Ah. They don't hate me because I'm not human in their eyes.
	Okay. Is a criminal angry at the cop for arresting him?
	Like some really wretched criminal, right?
	Is a criminal angry, is he frustrated and angry at the cop for arresting him?
	Yes okay.
	Is he angry at the cop for arresting him?
	No. He's not angry at the cop for arresting him.
	He's not angry at the cop for arresting him.
	Because the cop is singular.
	Right? Let's say there are two cops.
	Right? Let's say there are two cops.
	Bob and Dave. Now, if Bob is first through the door, but Dave arrests him, does the criminal hate Dave more or Bob more?
	He doesn't hate the cop.
	He hates being arrested.
	Whoever. It's not personal to the cop.
	Any cop who arrests him, he will hate.
	It's not personal. He doesn't hate the cop.
	He hates being arrested. Your parents don't hate you.
	They hate anyone who tells the truth.
	They hate getting caught.
	They hate being exposed or whoever or whatever bad people.
	They don't hate you. Do you think that people who deplatformed me hated me?
	They don't hate me. I'm just in between them and what they want.
	Right? If people accept what I say, a lot of unjust...
	Resources, power, and property gets returned to its rightful owners.
	It's not personal!
	Oh.
	Duh!
	Okay, do you think, let's say that I had a twin, right?
	And let's say that for some reason, there's Stephan and there's Stephanie, right?
	So, Stephan...
	Me, the guy, doesn't confront my mother, but Stephanie does.
	Do you think she hates Stephanie?
	Yes, she hates Stephanie, because Stephanie confronted her.
	Right? If I do it, but Stephanie doesn't, she'll hate me.
	It's not personal. It's not personal.
	Whoever tells them the truth, so you happen to tell them the truth, and you think, oh, they hate me.
	No, they hate the truth. They hate virtue.
	They don't hate you. Because if they hate you, then it's independent of what you do.
	Right? If they hate you, then their hatred follows you no matter what you do.
	No. They hate that you expose them in the same way.
	Like, the mafia...
	Kills a guy who's going to testify against them in court.
	They don't hate that guy.
	They hate going to jail.
	They hate and fear going to jail.
	Right? But they don't hate that guy personally.
	Oh, that guy is like, no, we have to eliminate him because otherwise we're going to jail.
	It's not personal. They haven't evaluated him and, oh, I really dislike that guy.
	Right? You evaluate people morally so you think other people do as well.
	Right? Right? Now, people will use moral language.
	I guess it's confusing, right? But they don't evaluate you morally.
	They don't evaluate you morally.
	I mean, I know this because I was the golden boy in my family.
	You understand? I was the golden boy in my family.
	It was unfair. It was wrong.
	But my mother loved me because I reminded my mother of her father who was a famous writer and her brother who was a famous writer in Germany.
	And so... My mother, quote, loved me, and she associated my brother unjustly, unfairly, it was wrong, she associated my brother with her ex-husband, oh, he's just like, right?
	So I was her favorite son, totally wrong, right?
	So I was her favorite son until when?
	I was the golden boy until when?
	she loved me until when?
	you know right?
	you know you
	So, I'm still the same person.
	Yeah, she loved me until I told the truth.
	No, no, no.
	She didn't love me until I left.
	I left because she hated the truth.
	Right? I was honest.
	And we've gone through this, most of us, right?
	We're the good kids, and then we have questions, criticisms, and now we're the evil kids, and it's not personal.
	Right? She didn't go from loving me to hating me.
	Right? She was fine with me when I was compliant, and she, quote, hated me when I wasn't.
	And then she tried every key in the lock to get me back to compliance, right?
	Until you asked for something that you needed.
	Well, until I made a reasonable request, yeah.
	This conversation hurts.
	Right, because we would rather be hated than ignored, right?
	Right. Now, please try to avoid the...
	See, the thing is, if you feel hated, then you have a curse on your head.
	I'm trying to lift a curse.
	I'm going almost three hours here working heart, body, mind, and soul to lift a curse from you, to dispel this voodoo that you're hated.
	You're not hated!
	I'm not hated by society.
	I'm not hated by Wikipedia.
	I'm not hated by YouTube.
	I'm not hated by my parents.
	I'm not hated by anybody.
	It's not personal to me.
	Do you think people have evaluated me objectively and said, well, you know, he speaks the truth.
	He has interviewed a lot of people.
	He writes with great tenderness about children's rights.
	He opposes spanking. He promotes peaceful parenting.
	He promotes science.
	He's just, oh, he's an evil guy, right?
	Jeffrey Epstein ever get debanked?
	Right? It's not about me.
	They don't hate me.
	I mean, they're trying to get me to change.
	I get that. It's not personal.
	Do you think I wake up every day?
	Oh, man, I'm hated, man.
	People hate me. They don't hate me.
	They don't know me, really.
	I mean, they've been told stuff about me or whatever, right?
	But come on. Thank you, Steph.
	This is a great stream. I just, I just, I don't want you guys, yeah, remember to like the stream if you can, and any final donations would be great.
	I don't want you guys to feel hated.
	I don't want you guys to feel hated.
	That's horrible. Because feeling hated by the people who gave you life and raised you, feeling hated by them, feeling hated by them will bar you from feeling loved by anyone.
	Parental hatred is like this original curse that will buy you from love.
	Do you see what I mean?
	Do you see?
	I want you to experience love and you can't experience love if you think your parents hate you.
	I stood between the predators and their prey.
	They don't hate me. They just want their prey.
	Just knock me out of the way.
	Okay, well, it's not hatred.
	It's just you're in the way. Right?
	You're just in the way. You drive in some backcountry road and there's a log on the road.
	You get up and you lift it out the way.
	You don't hate the log. You don't hate the log.
	It's just in the way. I was just in the way.
	It's kind of the job, right, of a moralist to be in the way of...
	Predators and their prey, right?
	I have to think more about this point.
	Is this concept related to forgiveness not being necessary?
	Stop thinking, stop feeling.
	Dave, stop thinking, stop feeling.
	This is a feeling thing.
	I'm trying to lift a curse.
	You can't solve it intellectually.
	The curse of feeling unloved.
	The curse of feeling unloved can't be solved.
	By intellectualism. This is a deep, soul, black curse on you.
	We hate you!
	And my mother screamed in the middle of the night when I was like six or seven years old.
	I hate these kids! I hate these kids!
	I mean, I was shocked, but I didn't take it personally.
	I mean, I certainly have, and I'm not trying, oh, at the age of six I got all of this.
	I'm not trying to make some, you know, golden Buddha nonsense.
	They don't hate you. You don't hate a vending machine if it doesn't give you the drink after you put your money in.
	You're frustrated. I get that.
	You might bang it, right? But you don't morally hate.
	Why did she say that?
	What happened? I don't know why she said that.
	It was just the middle of the night. I happened to be awake and she screamed it in the living room.
	Whatever she was brooding on, I have no idea.
	I imagine what happened was there was some guy she desperately viewed as her sort of Mitch from Streetcar Named Desire.
	There was some guy, probably, who really, really wanted...
	She really, really wanted to date him, but he's like, you know, I can't take on these kids, right?
	I can't take on these kids, right?
	So, I effing hate these kids because they're in the way of me.
	Like, my mom always had this kind of vague fantasy that she was, like, going to be on red carpets and be like Grace Kelly or something.
	But if it wasn't for these kids, right?
	right? These... these... Scooby-Doo style, these kids messed it all up.
	She don't accept the reality of who she is.
	I'm clinging onto what my four-year-old self thought of her as that normal.
	You feel, as a kid, you feel less anxiety feeling hated than you don't even exist to them.
	Somebody says, when I was six, my mom told me it was my fault my grandpa committed suicide because one time I told him I didn't want to go to the store with him.
	I knew it was true, but I also knew it was so effed up that my mother was telling me that.
	Oh, you knew that it wasn't true?
	Yeah, it's completely effed up.
	I mean, sometimes they just play their hand too much, right?
	That is attempted soul murder, in my view.
	That's attempted soul murder. And I'm really sorry that you even were exposed to any kind of language like that.
	That's just beyond appalling.
	It's just beyond wretched. It's beyond evil, really.
	Verbal abuse against children is a violation of the NAP, as I make the case in my book, Peaceful Parenting.
	Please, take this log off your legs, take this curse, take the scoliosis out of your back, uncurl your spine, unclog your voice, purify your soul, be baptized in the glory of parental indifference masquerading as hatred.
	They didn't hate you. They didn't hate you.
	There's no you there.
	There's no you, you're just a vending machine that didn't work for them.
	Like, when I was a kid, if a video game machine ate your quarter, you wouldn't come back with
	an axe and curse it and jihad against...
	Like, it just would be bizarre, right?
	Don't be hated, man.
	That's a horrible experience.
	It's not needed and it's not true.
	And it's a curse, right?
	So it's a curse that your parents put on you, that they hate you, and then you've got to beg them to release you from the curse.
	Oh, please stop hating me.
	Oh, please be better parents.
	I'm going to talk to you. I'm going to reason with you.
	I want to be here and I don't want you to hate me and I want to be honest.
	I want to be truthful. Don't, right?
	But in order to save you, someone's got to damn you first, right?
	Just don't. It's not a real thing.
	There's no curse on you. Your soul isn't blackened.
	People don't hate you.
	I mean, do you know why people say they hate you?
	Because that's the way to get the key in the lock, to turn it, to click, to get you to do what they want.
	That's why they say they hate you.
	Does this make sense? They say they hate you, so you'll do what they want to avoid being called hateful.
	It's like original sin, right?
	Ah, I've got to curse you.
	Ah, I'll save you. Thank you for helping us to see these narcissists for who they are and not blame ourselves.
	Amen, brother. You're not hated.
	Do you think if I thought my parents hated me or the world hated me or people hated me that I could stand happy and pure when my wife and daughter say I love you?
	I mean, they're right.
	They know me. Right?
	They're right. The world.
	The world put a picture of me over their own mirror and punched their hands, stupid and bloody, pretending to attack me.
	Good night, Steph. It's nearly 3am.
	I must go! Thanks for everything.
	I'm beginning to heal with this last week's live stream about self-attacking and self-hatred.
	Good night, mate. We'll listen to the rest on podcast.
	Well, we've only got a few minutes left.
	We've got a three-hour limit on the show.
	What pisses me off, they sure know how to look sane.
	Sure, of course they do. Yeah.
	Spoiler! Camouflage is important for predators.
	Right? Yeah.
	There's a truth teller in the world.
	If we keep lobbing hate bombs at the truth teller, we can get him to stop telling the truth.
	I get it. I understand that.
	I understand that. I really sympathize with that.
	I really do. I sympathize with that.
	You know, it's pretty horrible to choose a life of lies and then end up having to pretend to hate the truth teller and also be virtuous.
	I get that. It's tough.
	Like all the people dependent on government, yeah, they don't like it when people come along and talk about privatizing.
	Yeah, it's tough. But there's no hatred of individuals involved.
	You just The thief who steals things wants to keep what he stole.
	Somebody who takes it back.
	Oh, I hate that guy. It's not hatred.
	It's not personal. Because anyone who did it, they'd hate.
	Anyone who arrests the criminal, he hates.
	Anybody who happened to witness the mafia crime, they're going to try and wipe out.
	It's not personal. Wrong place, wrong time.
	Wrong place, wrong time, wrong family.
	Sorry! Your old snake eyes.
	Bad luck. Bad luck, man.
	Oof. That's tough.
	And it is tough. It was tough that I was born into the family that I was born into.
	However, I wouldn't have become as great a dad if I'd been born into a different family.
	Because I know people who were born in great families and they did not become nearly as committed to virtue as I am.
	So please, please, Don't fall for the narcissistic psyop of thinking that you're hated.
	You're not hated. You're just in the way.
	It's not personal. They don't hate you.
	They haven't judged you morally and evaluated you.
	I mean, they'll say they have because that's the best way to get you to change your behavior.
	You're a bad guy. You're going to change your behavior.
	Oh, no, I'm a bad guy. In order to avoid the bad feeling of being a bad guy, I'll change my behavior so no one calls me a bad guy.
	Fuck that. Fuck that.
	Now, we've had just about enough of that, thank you very much, over the course of human history.
	Way too much power in the brutalizers.
	How are you feeling, all? Just as we close off, how are you doing?
	I want to check in with you all.
	How are you? Amazing grace, how sweet thou sound.
	That saved a wretch like me.
	I don't know what to do with this.
	I have to sleep on it. Yeah.
	Relieved. Sad.
	Kicks up some dormant dust, though, don't it?
	Polishes up those caked-over stained-glass windows.
	A little disoriented. We've left Asia, baby.
	We are disoriented. Heavy sad.
	All right. If you're listening to this later, I can't even tell you how hard I have to work for this kind of stuff.
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