Nov. 30, 2023 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
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Good evening, everybody. Welcome to your Wednesday Night Live.
It's the 8th of November, 2023.
I apologize for the homeless look, but I have been a tad under the weather.
Now, I guess technically, according to general dad humor, we're all under the weather because we're in the atmosphere, but I have been a And I don't have a sore throat.
I'm just a little.
You ever have those days where you wake up and after breakfast you're like, man, I could use a nap.
So I've had one of those and I'm like, oh, I'm going to listen to music and I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, oh, you know, I should really get caught up on the latest on Bitcoin.
So, yes, it's one of those, one of those situations.
All right. So, yes, it is a challenge.
And those days with that white guy blinking, where it's just like morning to evening.
But what I did get done, and I hope that you will check this out, the French Revolution is some great stuff.
Get lots of sleep? I will aim to.
But you have that annoying thing in life, I don't know, where you're like tired all day and then you can't get to sleep at night.
I think it's just a kind of being under the weather thing.
The terrible weather can't be helping your energy either.
No, I fuel myself on bad weather.
I get energy and joy and power and grace.
On bad weather. So, that's alright.
Just want to make sure everything is cooking and running the way it should.
So if you do want the French Revolution, I've created a whole feed for it so you can just put it into a podcast player.
We're cooking over five hours on the detailed, grisly, heinous, and downright evil French Revolution.
But it's multifaceted, to put it mildly, and I'm putting forward some pretty wild theories about history, so I hope that you will enjoy.
I hope that you will check that out.
You can get it at freedomain.locals.com.
And you know what I will do?
Just for you, my glorious, gorgeous friends, I will put in the chat how you can get your promo code.
You can try it out for free.
It doesn't cost you a thing. If you don't like it, cancel away.
I don't care. I don't mind.
Do what you want. It's fine.
He said slamming the cupboard doors randomly while saying everything's totally fine.
But yes, you should.
You listen to all the new French Revolution ones today?
Your French Revolution work is so great.
Well, thank you, says the researcher.
Any expectations for the 2024 election year?
Elections? Really?
That's optimistic. Ah, yes.
Very optimistic. Oh boy, those four episodes were awesome.
We're up to six. Six.
I can do this. Six. We're up to six.
So that's important.
It's so funny how somebody says, Dave says, listen to all the new French Revolution ones today.
Now, I will tell you this.
I don't think that I'm too sensitive or hysterical for the need for praise.
Would you say I'm not one who generally begs for praise?
But imagine that you'd written a short story or a short novel and you'd handed it to a friend to read and then your friend said, so I read your novel.
I read your short story.
Yeah, I read it. That's kind of funny, right?
That's kind of funny. Don't be stingy in your emotions.
I mean, if you like it, great. If you hate it, great.
Let me know. But it's just kind of funny how people...
Yeah, I read your book. It's almost like a power play, you know?
Like, then you have to say, and...
Oh, yes. Well, okay.
I will tell you what I think.
If you really want to know...
It's just kind of funny.
I complimented a few lines above that.
Oh, I'm so sorry if you did.
My apologies. My apologies.
I don't see it, but I'm sure you did.
My apologies if I missed it.
Let me just see here.
I want to be fair. Ah, yes, you did.
My apologies. Thank you. I saw it because I even read it.
I just thought it was a different person.
And I suppose I'm a smedge sensitive, just to be perfectly honest with you.
I mean, do you guys hit me with a why if you like vulnerability on the part of people?
Do you like vulnerability on the part of people?
You do? Some people do, some people don't.
There was an interesting...
Scott Adams and Mike Cernovich got into it today on social media.
And I was curious what you guys thought about this.
So they got into it in social media.
And let's see here.
This one I liked. If you're an e-girl and I pay you $25 of my hard-earned money for a cock review, I expect a more professional response than, where's the rest of it, LMAO? That's true.
So, Scott Adams said today, have any of you men ever been conned into revealing your feelings and vulnerabilities to a romantic partner?
If so, at what age did you learn it was the world's second worst advice?
The first worst advice is still be yourself.
Number three is follow your passion.
Yeah. Have any of you men ever been kind into revealing your feelings and vulnerabilities to a romantic partner?
I don't know what kind of hellscape these people are living in.
I don't... I don't...
Like, isn't that wild?
That if you reveal any of your feelings to a romantic partner, they will, what, hate you?
They will just, like, be appalled?
And anyway, so...
Scott Adams said this, and then Mike Cernovich said, in a relationship with a woman, really opening up and being vulnerable is the ultimate life move.
She'll become disgusted, leave you no drama.
Sometimes it's the only way to end things without getting a stalker on your hands.
God... In a relationship with a woman, really opening up and being vulnerable is the ultimate life move.
She'll become disgusted, leave you, no drama.
Sometimes it's the only way to end things without getting a stalker on your hands.
Is this something that is a thing in the world today?
Like you can't be emotional with women?
You can't be honest?
You can't be weak? You can't be, quote, weak?
You can't be vulnerable? You can't show your insecurities or talk about your fears?
Is that a thing these days?
Alright. Is that a thing that people actually believe?
No, it's a hook-up culture.
I don't know. It's a thing. I've seen it many times.
So it's the idea that if you show vulnerability to a woman, she will lose respect for you, she'll be disgusted with you, and she'll leave you.
Is that right?
Staff have been vulnerable with women more than once and have been burned
Well have you Thank you.
Have you been burned?
Or have you revealed a true lack of compassion and empathy on the part of a woman?
Oh, let me ask it another way.
Do you think a woman can be cold and harsh towards her vulnerable and emotional man,
and yet also be a wonderful mother to her children?
I mean, isn't showing vulnerability to a woman finding out to some degree how she's
A little bit. I mean, I'm not saying you act like a child or make her your mom or anything, but isn't that a little bit something to do with that?
And, oh my God, oh, it drives me crazy!
You know that if you feel strongly and you hide your feelings, that's bearing false witness, right?
That's saying all women prefer for you to lie than for you to be honest.
It's lying. Go lie.
Women, of course, know that men are not robots.
We're not rocks. We're not insensate beasts.
We're not steel watchers.
We are passionate emotional beings.
strong, weak, whatever you want to call it, but honest and authentic beings, right?
Why would you want to be in a relationship with someone where you had to hide
who you were?
Blah.
You're feeling upset, you're feeling sensitive or raw about something.
You know, there just wasn't enough feedback and donations for it.
I sort of hate to be...
I have to kind of guide myself by the level of interest that the audience has in various topics.
And I just really wasn't getting any feedback or donations for it.
So it's a little tough.
I'll be honest with you. It's a little raw.
It's a little raw. But I do have to respect the audience.
And the audience may be doing the right thing by guiding me to not work for a little while on the Peaceful Parenting book.
So that's...
But yeah, I sort of have this...
There's a social media area where there's a category called novel feedback.
And there would be messages there.
Oh, great. Someone's read one of my novels and has some feedback.
And it's like some other unrelated thing.
And it's like... Feedback, I used to get so much.
I used to get thousands of YouTube comments a day and all of that kind of stuff.
I used to get so much feedback and...
Now it's scant and it's rare, to be honest.
And this is not a demand or a request or anything.
I'm just sort of telling you that I used to feel a lot more wired into the community.
And I get it with the live stream, which is good.
But yeah, it feels a little bit like flying instruments only with no view.
Thank you.
and getting some good feedback on that but there just didn't seem to be much feedback
donations or interest in the Peaceful Parenting book so I need to, it's funny you know, I
know that I can't do that great a job if I'm not very enthusiastic and I also know that
my enthusiasm matches and mirrors your enthusiasm.
We're in a dance here, right? And this is something Freddie Mercury said.
He said, I can only sing as well as the audience wants me to.
And that is a real challenge.
Let's see here. Somebody says, Steph, thank you for being you.
If you don't worship Jesus, you're welcome in the Noahide Jewish community.
The Jewish Messiah isn't supernatural.
He causes world peace through his speech.
I have to leave to my brothers.
I pray you're free from Christianity.
That's a very interesting statement and comment, and I certainly appreciate the thoughts.
Somebody says, I'm resourceful, I'm creative, I'm young, unscrupulous, highly motivated, highly skilled, and I will stop at nothing until Steph returns talking smack on Twitter.
That is, again, I massively appreciate the enthusiasm as a whole.
That's gorgeous!
Gorgeous. Love you too, man.
Thank you so much. So is this a thing?
First of all, is this a thing that you're just not supposed to be yourself?
You're not supposed to be honest. You're not supposed to be vulnerable.
Did I ever watch the movie Trainspotting?
I did. Pretty terrifying movie.
Pretty terrifying movie.
Awful. Awful.
Baby on the Ceiling. That guy who played the bad guy in that later played Hitler as well.
Yeah, I mean, why would you want to be pushed out of yourself in order to, what?
Like, I'm not going to be myself.
I'm not going to be honest, direct, and authentic, because...
Why?
Is there a prize at the end of the life for the more of yourself you've rejected, abandoned, and dismissed?
Is there some prize that I'm not aware of that the more you reject your authentic self and the more you hide your authentic self, the better off you are?
You win something at the end?
I don't know. I don't know.
Alright, let me get back to your comments.
Alright, let me get back to your comments.
I'm sorry, I'm just scrolling through here.
On the topic of the peaceful parenting book, my mom called me today out of the blue to tell me she was coming over unannounced after me disconnecting eight months ago.
I had a long talk and told her she caused me a lot of trauma as a child.
She couldn't accept it.
I asked her to read your peaceful parenting book and she called you a white supremacist.
She's just horrible. Yeah.
Yeah. Apparently, peaceful parenting is white supremacy.
So, okay. Okay.
All right. I think it's a common thing amongst millennial women to find men who are emotionally open to be repulsive.
Repulsive? Wow.
So, I can make the case for emotional...
Scott's wife is a babe, though, like half his age.
Take with that what you will.
No. No, they're divorced.
Yeah, they're divorced.
So, not his wife anymore.
And I think that what happened was she wanted to go on a...
Honeymoon or something, and he didn't because of the vaccine requirements.
He got vaxxed. She divorced him.
So, yeah, I think it's his ex-wife now.
I think he's back to being single.
And he had a stepson who died from an overdose.
Just, I mean, literally great sympathy.
Awful, awful stuff. Just awful, awful stuff.
What is Tom Steiner?
Yeah, it's a kind of hypnotic song, right?
Kind of a hypnotic song.
So, would you like me to make the case for vulnerability in your emotional relationships?
Thank you, Henri.
I appreciate the tip. I appreciate the tip.
Yes? Okay. All right.
I feel the need to sit on my heel.
I don't know why, but I try to listen to my body.
All right. Let's pretend we're flexible.
Hello from Australia. Hello.
Good to meet you. Alright, so as far as emotional vulnerability goes, the reason why you want to be vulnerable is you don't want to be incestuous.
Right? I mean, I think we can all agree that you don't want to be incestuous in your relationship.
So, children want their fathers, like little girls want their fathers, to be larger than life, to be man-gods, and so on.
Right? Now, of course, if you're upset as a father, you don't cry in front of your child.
Maybe you do it as a mother, I don't know, but...
I don't know. So, you want to have a relationship with someone who's an equal and not someone who's replaying out some electrocomplex, right? The eatable complex that a man wants to marry his mother, the electrocomplex that the woman wants to marry her father.
So the reason why you would be vulnerable is to make sure that you can be treated as
an equal and not as someone that the woman puts on a pedestal because she has unfinished
or incomplete emotional issues with her father.
Look at that Bitcoin 49.2 at the beginning of the year it was what 22,000 now it's close
to 50,000.
But hey what do I know, what do I know?
I was only recommending it was two bucks.
So you want to make sure that the person is equal to you.
Now, if you see your girlfriend is crying over something, some sad news or something that's happened, you want to give her a hug and, you know, it's perfectly natural.
And you don't want to be...
I mean, you want to be a provider and a protector, but you don't want to be emotionally distant.
And the idea that vulnerability is weakness...
Is a scar tissue left over by being exploited by sociopaths, right?
So a lot of cults will say, hey man, you've really got to unburden yourself.
You've just got to reveal all of your darkest and deepest fears and desires and thirsts and lusts and horrible experiences and fantasies.
And then, you know, they'll hang on to that stuff and blackmail the living hell out of you later, right?
Sometimes. So if you've been exploited, then you're going to be afraid of vulnerability.
I get that.
I get that.
And so I can understand that if you've been around dangerous, exploitive women, then they're
going to sneer at you in that cold-hearted, bitchy way if you're vulnerable and emotional.
That's okay. Well, that's painful.
I get that. But that just means don't have children with her.
Because that's how she's going to behave with the children.
Now, again, I understand you say, well, but you're an adult and you don't want her treating you like a child and all of that.
But It's a dry run, right?
It's a dry run. How do you handle vulnerability?
Oh, I hate vulnerability.
Okay, well, children are vulnerable by their very nature, so you just disqualified yourself for motherhood, right?
Somebody says, I think crying is only a problem and it's a soy boy type of man.
But then I assume that the crying is not authentic.
It's like, it's manipulative, right?
It's a manipulative route.
Steph, I'm the Bitcoin guy who reached out six months ago who sold it
one thousand dollars with the regret that I had listened to my successful
dad's advice...
over the regret that i had listened to my sex successful dad's advice to sell
I'm in a six-figure role now that is even further soul-crushing.
Is it too late to hit the reset?
I'm a wage slave with regret that I sold an early retirement.
That's tough. That's tough.
I mean, a lot of people have lost Bitcoins as well, so...
I understand. I sympathize.
You know, again, I never give anyone any advice.
Like, you know, I know that people have regret because I talked about Bitcoin and all of that.
And I can't tell you to buy anything.
Obviously, I would never tell you to buy.
I don't tell people what to do, right?
So I can't tell you what to do with regards to Bitcoin.
I can tell you my own personal thought about Is I view Bitcoin as, and I've said this for at least 10 years, $750,000 of Bitcoin.
Will it take a while?
Yes, it will. Will it get there?
Yeah, I believe so. I absolutely believe so.
Bitcoin is basically, and the alternative is what?
I mean, that's what Bitcoin is.
Bitcoin is, and the alternative is what?
Bitcoin. This is the first cycle where supply is being torn off exchanges at an unbelievably frantic pace.
Bitcoin is being pulled off exchanges.
Now, of course, I'm sure that some of that has to do with some pretty shady exchange stuff and all of that, but yeah, it's pretty wild.
Would you like to see a graph?
Hit me with a Y if you'd like to see a graph.
Bitcoin is now at the level of exchanges that it was in 2017.
I don't want to get into a whole Bitcoin thing, but I will, if it's helpful to you.
I absolutely will, if it's helpful to you.
All right. All right, I'll show you the graph.
Over here, 21.55.
All right, look at this graph.
So what this is, is...
The black is the price, of course.
And the exchange is the gold.
And as you can see, bitcoins are being yanked off exchanges like you wouldn't believe.
But that's because they're going into cold storage!
Because there's no imminent sale for a lot of people that is occurring with regards to bitcoin.
Alright, let me just make a note of where we are so I don't have to try and dig it up later.
Hit me with a Y if you would like more Bitcoin stuff.
I want to follow what works and is important for you.
Yes, alright. I am your willing orange-pilled slave.
So... There is, on the stlouisfed.org site, there's a page called Buying Eggs with Bitcoins.
Since they started keeping track in January 2015 through September 2023, the price...
The price of a dozen eggs in US dollars has declined from $2.11 to $2.07.
So, in US dollars, the price of a dozen eggs has gone down From $2.11 to $2.07.
Now, whether that's accurate or not, I don't know, but that's what they say.
However, so it's gone down less than 2% in US dollars, the price of a dozen eggs.
What percentage has it gone down in satoshis, the little slicey-diceys of Bitcoin, the pennies of Bitcoin?
So in fiat, it's down 2% in 8 years, more than 8 years.
Well, close to 9 years, I guess.
So, nine years, U.S. dollars, dozen eggs down, 1.9%.
What is it down in terms of Satoshis?
what is it down in terms of Satoshi's?
minus what?
or plus what? Whatever you think it might be.
I'm just waiting for some...
I just need some numbers.
You don't need to give me an essay. Honestly, just give me some numbers.
Plus, minus, what percentage?
All right, maybe it's a bit slow.
I can't hold off on the show if you guys are typing me some essays.
So, basically, the reality is that in Bitcoin, the price of a dozen eggs in nine years is down 99.2%.
It went from 925,406 satoshis to 7,850 satoshis.
I will put the link in here for your enjoyment.
So, in terms of purchasing power, the cost of a good...
Thank you.
I appreciate the tip. The cost of a good in Satoshi's for a dozen eggs, pretty staple commodity, is down over 99% in nine years.
Now, do you know what this means in fiat?
Do you understand? You get what this means in fiat?
What this means in fiat is that if it had gone the same way, the $2.20 eggs would be a couple of pennies.
A couple of pennies for a dozen eggs.
Do you follow? A couple of pennies.
Two, three cents maybe for a dozen eggs.
Isn't that wild? So, yeah.
What else? Compared to what?
What else? Where else are you going to go?
The fall of fiat and the rise of bitcoin.
So you know Google Books, Ngram viewer.
Fiat as compared to Bitcoin.
Fiat as compared to Bitcoin.
I'll show you this graph as well.
The rise of interest in Bitcoin is very close to that of people searching up fiat at the moment.
And that's quite powerful and that's quite important.
There you go.
now.
you There you go.
How many people own Bitcoin?
So greater than 0.01 Bitcoin is 12.3 million addresses or 1.23 million people.
CoinMarketCap calculated that each person has 10 Bitcoin addresses on average.
More than 0.1 Bitcoin, 550,000 people.
More than 1 Bitcoin, 100,000 people.
More than 10 Bitcoins...
15,600 people.
More than 100 bitcoins.
1,600 people.
More than 1,000 bitcoins.
There are only 200 people in the world who hold more than 1,000 bitcoins.
Wild. Oh, by the way, I love this meme.
Doctor, I'm depressed because of the weather in 30 years.
The doctor says, have you tried supergluing yourself to the street?
It's kinda true. It's kinda true!
So, yeah, I mean the Bitcoin stuff... Where else are you gonna go?
Where else are you going to go? Are you going to go to the Japanese yen?
Yeah, I don't think so. That's going through a meltdown right now.
I mean they can't stop people from downloading movies but they somehow think
they can stop Bitcoin.
And of course, when, was it 2020, that China banned Bitcoin mining?
Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter.
Is that difference in purchasing power likely to be more drastic during early Bitcoin adoption?
Oh, John, I love you to death, man.
Really? Well, okay, the value of Bitcoin has increased almost a hundred times, but it might not stay at a hundred times in the future.
It might go down to 50 or 40 or 25.
I've made a hundred times my money, but in the future it might only be 50x or 10x.
Yes, that's right.
They can shut down Bitcoin because they can shut off your internet for not complying with their rules.
All right, let's play that out.
Let's say that they can shut off your internet, right?
All right, let's say that they can shut off your internet.
Do you understand, my friends, that they can only do so much without generating massive blowback?
Do you follow? It's like saying, well, I'm going to move my rook here in chess.
It's like, okay, well, what does the other person do?
It's not just dictatorship monopoly stuff.
It's balance.
It's return. So let's say they start shutting off people's internet for not complying with rules, right?
What do you do? What will happen?
Will people just say, oh, okay, well, I guess I have no internet.
Do you think that's what's going to happen in the world?
People are just going to say, oh, I have no internet, okay, fine, I have no internet, right?
What happens? Have you never heard of burner cell phones?
Never? Maybe you can pay your neighbor's entire Wi-Fi bill and just hook into theirs.
Oh my god! Maybe you can go to an internet cafe.
Do you not have a friend with a VPN you can use their cell phone hotspot?
My god! And all it will do is generate new comm platforms.
Oh, man. I'm so sorry, guys, but this idea, like, what is the matter with y'all?
I mean, sorry, not y'all, but you think it's just, like, have you never heard a public choice theory that, well, you know, we'll just give money to poor people and then there won't be any more poor people.
It's like, you do know that the poor people are going to change their behavior based upon what you're doing, right?
And do you know, do you know, do you know that you can do Bitcoin transactions on paper?
Did you know that?
You can do Bitcoin transactions on paper?
I mean, eventually it'll have to be put into the network, but you can just do it on paper.
So, yeah, I don't understand.
Steph, I heard some boomers saying that Bitcoin will get shut down in the future.
How would that even happen? Well, it can't happen.
Well, it can't happen. It can't happen.
And, okay, let's say that somehow some entire country, let's say, what is it, Ebonia?
I said the Scott Adams made up.
But let's say Ebonia says, you can't use the internet for anything to do with Bitcoin or whatever, right?
The whole country, right? Let's just say they do that.
Okay, what happens?
What happens in the world?
What happens in the world? Come on.
Yeah. There'll be some country that will say, oh to all of the people in Elbonia,
listen we're gonna give you free citizenship Just bring some bitcoins and you can come and live here.
And all of the smart people will leave Albania and will go to country X, whether it's El Salvador or someplace like that.
Oh, well, that's really inconvenient.
And so on. Yeah, well, people move, right?
I mean, it's funny how people in America, it's like, what do you mean people move?
It's like, you know, that's why you're there, right?
Not everyone has the resources to leave Albania.
Oh, you are a yes-but person, right?
Okay, well the reason that you would care about them shutting down Bitcoin is because
you have some Bitcoin and the only reason they would shut down Bitcoin is because it's
become a viable alternative for fiat currency which means Bitcoin is worth an F ton of money,
which means you absolutely do have the resources to leave Elbonia.
Ken confirms, as someone I interact with a lot of Chinese people, who told me that the
Great Firewall is super easy to bypass and they can do and watch whatever they want with
They find ways to bypass all the laws and regulations.
Yeah. Yeah.
Assuming you bought Bitcoin ages ago, though.
Oh, my God!
Oh, the yes-but personality.
You know, I'm working on patient. I'm working on patients.
Do you understand that to future Bitcoin, this is ages ago?
To future Bitcoin, this is ages ago.
How much does it have to rise?
Oh, I don't want to buy it at the peak.
Hey, again, I can't tell you what to do.
Never going to give anyone financial advice.
But for me... The future of Bitcoin, this is.
The past in Bitcoin.
Listen, it's fine. Some decisions you should absolutely talk yourself out of.
I get all of that.
The yes but is fine, right?
I should do politics, yes, but it is becoming increasingly dangerous.
Okay, well, I'm not saying you have to, right?
But don't talk yourself out of making any decisions.
Because time's ticking on.
Time is passing by.
Right? All these grains of sand are dropping through the hourglass.
You've got to make some decisions about something sometime.
And listen, I have no problem with the boomers saying, yes, but they could shut down Bitcoin and ho, ho, ho, ho.
Okay. Yeah. Yep.
Oh yes, I saw some free domain post about Bitcoin on Facebook.
Oh yes, Bitcoin is the new tulip mania.
Tulip mania was what, 18 months?
But Bitcoin is 15 years.
Oh my gosh.
Didn't they put the full force of the West military to dethrone and destroy the last few countries who tried to go to gold?
Wouldn't this be the same response to Bitcoin if it was competition to the world's bank's digital currency in any specific country?
Well, they might try and throw themselves at it.
But here's the thing.
Ooh, I don't know. How dark do we want to get?
It's pretty dark, man.
Do we want to go dark?
Are you sure? Alright, for this, from 1 to 100, how much do the elites care about the life, health, happiness and success of the average citizen?
Just out of curiosity, 1 to 100?
Yeah, it's a trick question because it's actually 0, right?
out.
you The elites are looking at the world and they're saying, well, there are more and more people we just don't need.
They're bad for the environment.
They don't really work very hard.
They're very expensive. Oh, and by the way, we also have robots and AR coming along, so we've just got a whole bunch of people we don't need.
Now, the elites are going to want to transfer, and I'm sure some of them are already doing it.
They're going to want to transfer some of their wealth to Bitcoin, which means that they are now invested in the success of Bitcoin and they don't particularly care about fiat currency because fiat currency is...
A fading commodity. It's wrinkling.
It's drying up like paper and fire, like the old John Cougar song.
And it's going the way of the dodo.
So, oh my gosh, they're going to just do anything they can to protect fiat currency.
Why? Why?
Why would they do everything they can?
Well, that's where their power is.
But they know their power is going to go.
Right? They know their power is going to go.
I mean, do you understand?
They know that fiat currency is on its way out, and they know way better than you and I, because they have access to inside information that you and I don't have access to.
They know the actual numbers that are going on.
They know the reality that's going on.
Do they want digital currency?
Yeah, of course they want digital currency.
Do they want it for themselves?
They do not. They do not.
Yeah, I mean, of course they want digital currency.
They want to be able to control what you buy and sell and give your money time out so they can force you to spend it and all of that.
So yeah, I mean, of course they want digital currency, but not for themselves.
What do they want for themselves?
They want Bitcoin. And here's the thing, like you can come up with all kinds of disaster scenarios about Bitcoin.
Of course you can. You can come up with, oh, they'll do this, they'll do that, they'll do that.
Oh my gosh, all these terrible disaster scenarios.
Okay? Then stay in Fiat.
Stay in Fiat! Oh my gosh!
That water off the side of the Titanic, it looks kind of cold.
And that's a pretty full lifeboat, man.
I don't know, man. And that's a long way to jump.
Okay, then stay on the Titanic.
Like, this is what I don't understand.
Like, you understand that decisions about currency are going to be made whether or not you decide anything, right?
Right? Right?
Decisions are being made about currency.
The landscape is changing.
The rug is being pulled out over.
Your money is dissolving in its imaginary vaults.
I mean, I don't know what the thinking is here.
I genuinely don't.
I mean, it's like, well, Bitcoin is risky.
Compared to what?
Right? Compared to what?
Compared to fiat? Go watch my presentation on the fiat currency in France.
Go watch my presentations on the fiat currency in Rome.
Well, Bitcoin is risky.
Okay? I agree that jumping out of a plane can be risky, but if the plane's going down or is going into the side of the mountain, it's still less risky than that.
Compared to what? If you just say, you can't quantify risk without comparing it to something.
I don't know if this is like feminine thinking or something like that.
Like, you can't analyze risk without comparing it to something.
Do you follow?
Risk can never be assessed in isolation.
Should you jump into the Arctic Ocean?
No. I don't know.
Compared to what?
Well, your ship is going down and you can crawl through a porthole, you can go down with the ship.
Well, then you should get into the ocean.
Fear is fading.
80% of all the dollars in existence were printed over COVID. Oh my God.
And here's the thing. If you're bad at assessing risk, that's fine.
Look, nobody has to be good at everything.
Lord knows I'm not. If you're bad at assessing risk, that's fine.
Then stop talking about risk because you don't know what you're talking about
Oh No, you can't ask that girl out
She might say no. Okay, yeah.
Being told no if you ask a girl out, scary.
Yeah, for sure. Bitcoin is extremely volatile due to lack of asset relevance.
Bitcoin is not extremely volatile.
This just... Oh my God.
Will you guys do some fucking research, please?
You're killing me here. Like you're literally killing me here.
Bitcoin is not extremely volatile.
Compared to what? No, it is not volatile.
It is not volatile.
It starts wars.
It goes into debt. It enslaves the next generation.
American fiat has unfunded liabilities close to $200 trillion.
Okay? $200 trillion of unfunded liabilities.
And you think that Bitcoin is volatile?
Bitcoin has gone up 25,000 fold since I first talked about it.
Oh, that's really volatile!
It's like, okay, I guess if 25,000 times increase in value is volatile, that's not volatile.
Volatile is a negative word.
Oh my gosh.
Compared to what?
Oh, I don't know, man.
Listen, look, I'm telling you this.
Don't, again, don't take anything I'm saying as gospel, but I'm telling you this.
Sweet Lord Jesus, Mary, Mother, and Joseph, you must do the following, my friends, to have basic integrity in the world.
And I know this doesn't apply to everyone, and I apologize if it doesn't apply to you.
But my God, my God.
Jesus Christ, please stop repeating talking points.
You must think for yourself.
Okay, so let's use, oh, Bitcoin is volatile.
Okay, so you hear Bitcoin is volatile.
Don't just be an NPC bullshit artist.
Don't just be a store, copy, paste idiot head.
I'm being perfectly frank with you.
Don't do it. Don't do it.
You hear someone say Bitcoin is volatile.
You look into what they're already into.
Do they have credibility? Are they involved in the traditional predatory fiat currency bullshit market?
Also, look for counter-examples.
Look for counter-arguments.
Don't just repeat talking points from highly self-interested and corrupt people.
If you think that Bitcoin is volatile because you're comparing it to the US dollar, then
you have no way of knowing whether it's the US dollar that's more volatile or Bitcoin, right?
you you
The price has gone up and down relative to what?
Relative to the US dollar, relative to fiat currency.
So you're trying to measure stability relative to fiat currency.
Do you understand? You're trying to measure stability relative to fiat currency.
You have no credibility with anybody who's got half a brain or a decent understanding of economics.
I'm just telling you that straight up.
I'm telling you that straight up.
Fiat currency is incredibly volatile and inflationary.
And you're saying, well, Bitcoin is volatile because when you compare it to fiat currency, it changes in value relative to fiat currency.
Which is like saying, you know, this guy is drunk.
Look at him staggering around without pointing out that he's on a ship in the middle of a storm.
Oh, that guy's got some inner ear problem.
He's got balance issues.
The money that is coerced, that is taxed, that is printed at whim, that is indebted, that is manipulated, the
interest rates are manipulated, the money supply is manipulated, it goes to the friendly to power people first
and ends up completely screwing the poor in the shorts.
shorts.
That, you're comparing Bitcoin to that?
Come on. Just look up the camera.
Look, I understand.
We all have our perspective.
we all have our perspective, we all have our opinions and so on, right?
The dollar has lost 98% of its value since the Federal Reserve was put in 110 years ago.
The dollar has lost 98 or more percent of its value and you think that Bitcoin is volatile?
Oh, just whatever your perspective is, look at the opposite argument.
Just look at the, oh, I've heard Bitcoin is volatile.
Okay, let's look at the opposite argument.
Don't just repeat talking points.
You guys are, I'm like, the reason I'm so annoyed at this is you're way too smart for that.
I mean, if you were just normies I met on the bus or whatever, whatever, fine, I don't care, right?
But you guys are just too smart for that.
Stop it! Stop it!
Look for the opposing arguments whenever you have a perspective or an opinion.
Listen, I did an incredibly strong and powerful argument for hitting children.
I have absorbed and dug into all of the pro-spanking arguments.
You have to, to have any intellectual integrity at all, you have to research the opposite arguments.
Somebody says, all of the fedora-wearing neckbeards who used to push Bitcoin...
Turned me off from it years ago.
they couldn't make good arguments in favor just came off as creepy evangelist instead
you lost the most profitable asset in history
because you didn't like some of the people who were enthusiastic about it
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
I don't even know what to say.
First of all, I was in Bitcoin way back in the day and there were some very honorable, decent, upstanding people
so I don't even know what to say.
They couldn't make good arguments, just came off as creepy evangelists instead.
Well, I hope that your emotional self-indulgence is worth it for you because it probably cost
you a staggering amount of money.
What about the people who think there will be a flipping with Ethereum or other altcoins?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Thank you.
There's only one for me.
There's only one for me. And I've worked with the other.
I've worked with the other coins.
I've worked with the other coins. See, I honestly don't care what you think about the practicalities or the efficiencies or the technology behind Bitcoin.
I don't care. I don't care.
And you shouldn't care what I think about them.
What should you care about?
You have two mediums of exchange.
You have two mediums of exchange.
One is called fiat. What does fiat mean by coercive degree?
And one is voluntary.
So one is violent, one is voluntary.
So, honestly, this is going to be a harsh example.
Let's make it less harsh.
So, you're like somebody who's a robber, and you're saying, well, but if I go and work honorably for a living, my wages could go up or down, I could get fired, so I'm just going to continue being a thief!
There are two mediums of exchange.
One is literally called fiat, which means by coercive degree, and the other one is voluntary.
And you're like, hmm, ha, but, yes, well, hmm, ha, yes, but, ha, ha.
I'm going to force myself on someone because if I try to do something voluntary, it could be unstable.
I might get rejected. Yes, but it's voluntary.
It's peaceful and it's not used to fund war Go look up my presentation Bitcoin versus war
more.
you You cannot have wars of imperialism and aggression on a
Bitcoin standard.
Now there's a risk in voluntarism.
That there isn't in coercion.
Okay. Like you're in the wrong place.
Like you're in the wrong place.
Here, we focus on reason, voluntarism, evidence, non-aggression principle, and peace.
That which is not forced can be unstable.
Thank you.
Yeah, okay. Okay, then you should return to your fiery fort of fear
And there'll be more debt more war more predation You
You You
You You
Thank you.
Bye.
Bye.
Thank you.
Yeah, the gas fees are horrible, and I don't know what they're doing with that.
Yes, indeed. Yes, they are, in fact.
Let's see here. Do you think society conformity under COVID and censorship will also transfer to CBDC, central bank digital currencies?
That is my fear. People didn't move to find your show.
Maybe they won't move to Bitcoin, too, so to speak.
I don't care. Honestly, I... I'm so far past caring what the average person does.
Like, honestly, I care about as much what happens to the average person as the average person cared about what happened to me.
The martyrdom days is past the time of investing massively in other people at my own risk and detriment and potential destruction.
That's all past.
For me, it may be this different for you, but it's passed for me.
I'm not sure.
What do you mean? It's a way of storing and transferring value with no central coercion, with no owner, with no central server.
It's a completely decentralized way of storing and transferring value.
How to buy and where to store?
I can't tell you how to buy it and where to store it.
I mean, if you want to buy it, you can buy it in an exchange, do your research, and make sure that you don't have some young shaggy-haired guy in charge of it, maybe.
Is there a public ledger with it, or is that a rumor?
Yeah, there is a public ledger, but you can anonymize your Bitcoins to some degree or another.
Honestly, it's simple.
You don't need me to tell you how to buy Bitcoin.
With this audience, you get my eternal respect for your intelligence and some not insignificant scorn if you play dumb.
How do I buy Bitcoin? I need someone to tell me.
No, you don't. Come on.
If somebody gave you a million dollars to buy one Satoshi by tomorrow, do you think you could figure it out?
Buy Bitcoin. Okay, come on, man.
You don't need this, right?
You don't need this. You don't need this.
And you can buy Bitcoin, you can move it off an exchange, you can put it in cold
storage, you can put it in your own wallet, you can put it wherever to keep it perfectly safe.
Anyway, you can look all of that stuff up and there's lots of different ways that you can figure it out, but you don't need other people to tell you how to do this stuff.
And you should learn it yourself.
You should learn it and understand it yourself.
You can walk around the world with tens of millions of dollars in your head
with one twelve or twenty four word phrase.
I mean, that's something, right?
That's something. Try walking around with a million dollars worth of gold.
See how that works for you.
So, yeah, I mean, I... You don't need anyone to explain it to you.
Just do the research yourself.
Learn about it yourself. You guys are all easily, easily smart enough to learn about it yourself.
You don't need other people to spoon feed you.
You don't need to play dumb. You don't need to go all rubber bones.
And so someone's got to explain it to me.
It's like, listen, if someone's got to explain it to you, it may not be the right asset for you, right?
Man, there's a lot of paperwork and buying a condo.
Okay, well, then you should probably keep renting, right?
The tax implications, okay, well, then maybe it's not for you.
Any decent amount of gold costs, whole percentage annually to store and move, you know?
Yeah. It's the only limited asset in the known universe.
I mean, you can talk about maybe other cryptos, but Bitcoin, right?
There will never be more than 21 million.
Gold is limited?
What do you mean gold is limited?
What do you mean gold is limited?
Do you think they don't make new gold?
Do you think that there aren't asteroids out there with gold?
I don't understand.
What do you mean? There's 3% more is added to the gold supply?
Every year they just found, what was it, off the coast of some South American country, they just found something with billions of dollars worth of gold in it.
I don't understand what you're talking about.
Gold is limited. You mean, is there a finite amount of gold in the universe?
Well, yeah, I guess technically there is.
Also a finite amount of hydrogen atoms in the universe, but we ain't going to run out of those either.
Yeah, gold is nothing like that.
There will never be more than 21 million bitcoins.
I mean, why do they vegan meat?
Why on earth do they try to make plants taste like meat?
I mean, cows have been doing that for millions of years.
Yeah, and listen, in general, and this is a general thing as a whole, if I'm around a really not – this is my preference.
I'm not saying this is any kind of objective, goody-goody, two-shoes thing.
I'm just saying if I'm around someone who's a real expert – On something.
It's not me with Bitcoin.
If I'm around someone who's a real expert on something and I have big questions, what do I not do?
What do I not do?
If I've got questions, sudden questions that pop into my mind and I'm around a really expert person, a real expert, what do I not do?
Well, no, I don't lecture them, of course.
I don't ask them basics.
I don't ask them basics.
No, I don't ask them basics.
Me, honestly, again, maybe it's the way I was raised or whatever.
It could be right, it could be wrong. It just feels a little rude.
Yeah, don't ask anything that's real easy to look up.
Because I don't want to waste that person's time asking basic questions if I'm suddenly interested in something.
Now, If I've spent some time researching it and I have a couple of questions, maybe, maybe.
But, you know, everyone's time is valuable and I try not to say to people, well, just explain Bitcoin to me or how do I buy it or where do I store it or what do I do with it?
You know, these things are easy to look up.
Look, you guys want high quality people in your lives, right?
You want high quality people in your lives.
And high quality people don't want to go over the basics of something that is very easy to look up.
And do you know why?
Because I don't want to explain something to someone who isn't willing to look it up himself, especially since I've been talking about Bitcoin on this show since, what, 2011 or something like that, right?
Because if they're not motivated to look it up themselves, there's no point in me explaining it to them because it's just like dropping coins down a well.
It's a waste of time.
Now, again, if you look things up, and you know how much there's books on it, there's videos, there's white papers, there's so much to learn about with regards to Bitcoin.
Well, it's a setup.
And again, I'm not talking about anyone in particular here, just in my experience in general, it's a setup, right?
It's a setup. And the setup is, I'm kind of going to waste your time.
I'm going to keep asking questions, and it's not going to go anywhere, and you're really going to regret getting this conversation going, right?
Somebody says, crypto is great, but you have to check on it like it is a plant that needs water and great soil.
What? Why do you have to check on it?
I don't know what that means.
Why do you have to check on it?
Honestly, I have gone months and months without checking the price of anything.
I mean, I find it interesting when it's doing a run, as it is right now.
$49,500 per Bitcoin.
I find that interesting, but I've gone months without checking.
Why do you need to, like, without checking the price of Bitcoin or whatever, right?
Why do you need to check it?
I don't know, I mean it's called cold storage, right?
So...
Alright.
What have we got here?
you Store the damn crypto and stop day trading.
Oh yeah, day trading is brutal.
What are your thoughts on ADA? The American Dental Association?
Ask Dana anything?
I don't know what ADA is.
The crypto ADA.
The crypto ADA?
I really don't care about cryptos other than Bitcoin.
you What is the point of discussing Bitcoin if it isn't to convince the skeptical?
Isn't that just an asset that you buy and the price is the price?
Why would I want to bother convincing the skeptical?
I'm not sure I understand.
Why would I care about convincing the skeptical?
I mean, if there's a cure for your illness...
And you demand that I convince you to take it.
Well, there's tons of other people who are already taking it.
Why would I try to corner someone and convince someone and spend time, energy, and effort on someone to get them to take something that's, in my view, of course, enormously valuable?
Like, why would I... Thoughts on Jordan Peterson's ARC? I honestly don't think about Jordan Peterson or what he's up to.
Yeah, no big disrespect or anything.
I just... I don't care.
So, in most fields, there's, you know, the big guys and then there's the T-Rexes and there's a bunch of little mammals, right?
So, the problem with altcoins, in my view, and there are many problems of them, of course, is that they can't prove scalability.
So in every one of these coins, there is the challenge.
And the challenge is, the more decentralized it is, the slower it tends to be.
And the more resources it requires.
The more centralized it is, the fewer resources it needs and the faster it can be.
But the easier it is to control and shut down.
The whole point of Bitcoin is it's decentralized.
You can't shut down Bitcoin.
There's no place. This is why decentralization is tough for people to understand.
It's tough for people to understand.
So with other altcoins, how have they solved...
Oh, my altcoin is faster.
It's like, okay, well, it's probably faster for one of two reasons.
One, there's fewer people using it, and two, it's more centralized.
Okay, so with it being more centralized it's easier to shut down and control and
sensor and monitor and so on, right?
Oh, so somebody says with regards to a plant that needs water and great soil, coin X gets delisted
from an exchange you Example, Bitcoin splits and the new coin is not covered by your current storage.
Oh, when Bitcoin split into what?
Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash or something like that?
Most places that I've seen would handle a Bitcoin split.
Maybe there's some other split that it doesn't handle, but most places would handle a split.
I'm glad there are many experiments in crypto.
Well, I mean, whether we're glad or not, it's inevitable.
I think that a lot of them are pump-and-dump scams.
A lot of them are pretty rough, right?
Samuel Bankman freed, facing 110 years in prison.
Sad people lost their Bitcoin, keeping it on his exchange.
Yes. Well...
Well... well...
So, Bank Benfried.
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Anyone who says, well, I just want to make money so that I can give it away and do good.
I mean, in my view, that's almost always a scam.
Why? If somebody's an entrepreneur and says, I just want to make money so that I can give all my billions away and do good.
Why is that generally a scam, in my view, in my opinion?
No, it's not impossible. You can give all that money away.
No, there is a profit motive.
if the profit motive is you want to make money so you can give it away.
Altruism is evil. Altruism is just an ideology.
you you
Alright, would you like the answer?
Okay, so the answer is this.
This is why it's always a scam, in my view.
Somebody who's that much of a virtue signaler about being charitable, right?
Okay, so the reason it's a scam is, let's say that the guy takes, I don't know, $100 million out of the business every year to give it away to other people, right?
And he's facing a competitor who does what with that $100 million?
So, Sam takes all this money out and builds wells in Africa or whatever, right?
Mr. Beast style, right? He does all of this great stuff, charity or whatever, right?
So then he's got a competitor named Bob who does what with the $100 million instead of rip it out of the company and spend it on vanity charity projects?
Yeah, he reinvests it back into his business.
So somebody who says...
You should give me your coins because I'm going to be pillaging this place for my personal charity vanity projects, which means I'm absolutely going to go out of business because somebody else is going to reinvest things back into their business.
Why on earth would you want to?
I mean, my God. Yeah, Bill and Melinda Gates stuff.
Oh my God, don't even get me started on those guys, right?
So you're absolutely saying, I'm going to be out-competed and I'm going to go out of business.
I'm going to be out-competed, and I'm going to go out of business, so you should give me your money.
I mean, am I wrong?
Are they just saying all of this up front?
It's like, hey man, you're a fucking business.
I'll handle my charity.
I'll handle my charity.
I'll give to whoever.
I don't need you to take charity out of my fees.
Right? I don't need you to be more expensive so that you can do some charitable shit.
I'll handle my charity. You just handle my crypto.
Isn't there a case for businesses donating to charity and advertising it?
Maybe make people buy their product?
Sure. Sure.
Idiots. Idiots. We'll do that for sure.
Yeah, there are idiots out there. Absolutely.
And you can get a fairly sustainable business model appealing to the vanity of idiots.
No question. Nobody ever went broke by overestimating the vanity of fools.
Yeah, you know, oh, I feel good.
This comes from this. This comes from that.
It's good. It's plus. It's conflict-free.
it's organic, it's whatever.
And yes, some people will buy from you because they perceive that you're giving
Absolutely. But business and charity are not the same thing.
I mean, this is not to get any praise or anything, but I still get contacted by people sometimes from old call-in shows and they finally decided to do therapy.
They're broke. They need some help.
I'll send them some money. That's nothing to talk about.
Don't donate for that. That's, you know, just the thing that I like to do.
But that's not a sort of sales pitch, you know, like, donate to me and I'll help people with charity.
That's a whole other thing and that's on me.
Yeah, empty! Empty!
Oh my gosh.
Oh yeah, like the noble altruistic warrior of virtue as the head of a corporation is one of the most dangerous people around in terms of long-term financial stability.
It's just appalling.
And honestly, I don't even know what to say to people who get...
I don't know. I mean, okay, so you wanted to pay a premium so that you could feel good about your investments.
Like, oh, but this guy is really charitable.
And it's like, okay, so all of the money that he's taking out to give to charity is reflected in business inefficiencies within the business.
Do you follow? If you take $100 million out of a business to give to charity, then that's $100 million that's eaten into your profits.
You have to raise fees.
Like, you get some bank that says, oh, we give $100 million to X, Y, and Z. It's like, okay, so you just pay me less interest and you're charging more in fees.
The charity thing became prevalent since they started pushing corporations being your personal friend.
Ever get a birthday email or card from a giant retailer?
It's creepy. Oh, Dave, I'm sure you're...
I'm sure you're accurate.
But the business is charity thing?
The business as charity thing occurred when?
What economic factor changed when businesses had to become big, squishy, feel-good charities?
What had to change?
Nope, not welfare. Yeah, that's right, Jared.
Yep. Women went into the workforce, and now the workforce has to be about good feels and charity and niceness and justice and bleh, right?
I mean, do you really...
I don't know that Rockefeller would ever have referred to his employees as family, but when you get women coming in, everything's got to be family and nice and bleh, right?
right?
Yes, well I mean we just talked about on the last show that the
quarter of the entire population of Iceland went on strike but it was all the
women so I'm not sure too many people noticed.
Well, it's really sad.
How controversial do we want to get right now?
Yeah, Barry.
All right.
One of the big things that's going on on...
Twitter or X, I suppose you could say.
Cue everyone's like, man, you're such a hypocrite.
You've got Twitter.
You don't post on Twitter.
Okay, that's fine. Yeah, go for it. Enjoy.
Enjoy your time criticizing me.
All right. So, a woman said, Rachel Wilson, she said, let me get this straight.
The entitled women on this app want their husband to go to work and provide for them so they can be homemakers, but they also expect the husband to help them with homemaking after getting home from the job.
That allows them to be homemakers?
GTFO. The clatter of small arms fire over a fairly innocuous post.
Oh, my gosh.
Oh, my gosh.
Isn't that wild?
I mean, you've heard this story before, but I lived with a woman in my twenties who said after, and I was an
entrepreneur at the time, I was working like 60, 70, 80 hours a week.
And I had a woman who was telling me that I had to also help around the house.
And I was like, no, no, I'm paying the bills.
So I'm working 10 hours a day for the household.
So unless you're doing more than 10 hours a day of housework when we don't have kids...
Now it doesn't work.
Oh my gosh.
It's a wild thing when you think about it.
Like, this truly does blow my mind.
That... Working for people who love you is slavery.
Working for strangers...
Isn't that wild?
Just how little people actually think Like if you're working with your husband, you're running the household, he's making the money, then working for your husband, for your kids, for your family, that's slavery.
But wrangling spreadsheets under fluorescent lights for a boss who pays you less than your husband because of tax deductions and all of that, that's empowerment.
Working for people who don't care about you at all is empowerment.
but working for people who love you is slavery.
Isn't that wild?
Isn't that just wild?
It's an amazing, amazing thing.
The power that propaganda has.
And, you know, women who have, I don't know what, like they have one kid, and they put that kid in government schools from the age of four onwards, are still complaining about the amount of housework you do.
It's like, hey man, three or four kids, homeschooling, oh man, massive props, but one or two kids in government schools, and oh my god.
Oh my god.
Why would you care about your boss infinitely more than your husband?
Well, we all know the reason why, fundamentally, is that nagging your boss, you can get fired.
Nagging your husband, he's not going to divorce you because he'll just take his kids and half his stuff.
It's this consequence-free thing that goes on, but...
Have you ever felt disposable?
Absolutely not. Absolutely not.
Yeah, I can't offer the boss sex.
Well... Well, I mean, that same girlfriend of mine...
She just she just got tired of laundry and and she was pretty insistent that we get the laundry done by an outside
service Oh my gosh
us.
you Oh my gosh, what do you even say?
What do you even say? I mean, I did say yes at that point, but I was planning on getting it out anyway.
But you've got to do that very carefully, right?
Very carefully! I can do the laundry while listening to a podcast or a book.
Where's the labor? Yeah.
Yeah. It's wild.
And is it, I see people saying, oh, the women are just lazy.
I don't, I could be wrong, obviously.
I don't quite see it that way.
I don't quite see it that way.
Somebody says, I have to find myself, I have to push myself not to be lazy.
I don't, if I don't want, I don't want to do it, but when I'm doing it, I enjoy it.
I don't know why.
Is it a lack of purpose?
Not all women who work as teachers are stressful.
It depends where you are, I suppose.
There was a time in your life when you weren't so good at choosing women.
Yeah, well, of course. I mean, my marriage was not my first relationship.
Unruly kids. That's one way to put it, I guess.
Yeah, I don't view it as laziness.
I think they're just miserable.
Yeah, isn't that just depressed?
They're burdened and put upon, and I think human beings are naturally energetic.
I mean, you see dogs, you know, they're racing around, and I think human beings, am I wrong?
I mean, I've just noticed this over the last maybe day or two where I've just been kind of under the weather.
I'm like, my gosh, this is what low energy feels like.
It's kind of, I mean, it's exhausting, but you don't have much energy for conversation.
You know, I went to go and play a sport with my wife and after about 45 minutes I'm like,
uh, you know, uh, you know.
I think, isn't it just kind of like being depressed, being unhappy, being put down upon
and using the wrong strengths for the wrong things?
To me, modern femininity looks like trying to ride a bicycle using your hands on the spokes.
It's just really awkward and weird and wrong, so to speak, right?
Oh, yeah, yeah. With my excess weight, I was quite low energy.
I'm at the weight I was at at 18, and I tended to go.
Much lighter, I have more energy.
Is all energy sexual?
No. No?
My God. Maybe if you are selected.
Women nowadays have so much anxiety because they have no men in their life to protect them.
Their dad isn't there. They have no brothers who care, no husband.
They're just out there bombarded by the media of how dangerous the world is, and they have nobody to protect them.
Yeah, well, this is all the women who complain about anxiety.
It's like, well maybe if you had not four Red Bulls and listened to three murder podcasts
in a row you might feel better off.
Um, no, I think it's just unhappiness.
Thank you.
you They've been so much said against, I think women in the modern world have been so much said against their natures that they're just constantly at war with themselves.
It's debilitating. It's exhausting.
And I think they're just miserable.
It's not just my... I mean, you've seen these charts, right?
You've seen these charts of antidepressants for particularly white women over 40.
Have you seen these? I'll see if I can dig one up It's just wild
Oh yeah, here we go.
The demographics of long-term antidepressants.
Oh my gosh.
Older white women account for 58% of adults who have used antidepressants for at least five years.
It's astounding.
This level of misery is apocalyptic.
So white men, 45, you know, maybe 3 million.
White women, like, triple the rate.
Like, well over, well over 9 million.
And I think this is a little bit out of date.
It's probably even worse now.
The topic of female misery is such a live wire.
I mean, I remember that, of course, from my days of posting on Twitter.
Yeah, Jason, call in at freedomain.com.
Call in at freedomain.com.
Just send me an email and we'll get together.
Get together one more time.
Yeah, let me get this up.
It's just wild.
Look at this. This chart...
I don't even know what to say.
And this is all the stuff that I was trying to help people prevent.
Let's see here. The further Steph digs, the better my journaling becomes.
I'm glad to help. What are the foundations to your happiness?
Is it the same as 10 to 15 years ago?
Yeah, I mean, basically, it's be useful to the world.
Because there's a funny thing, when you're depressed, my father used to refer to it as being low on resources, didn't have the resources, low on resources.
So when you're depressed, you feel like you barely have enough for yourself and you have
nothing left for others.
And so depression gets to be kind of, in my view, it gets to be kind of this vicious cycle.
So for what, let's say you're depressed and so you're just kind of staggering through,
you don't have any excess resources, you don't tell any jokes, you're not funny, you're not
enjoyable to spend time with, so you end up more isolated.
And because you're only kind of living for yourself, you can't do things for others.
And because you can't do things for others, which brings us a lot of happiness, you end up even more depressed.
So it's a real vicious cycle, I think, with that.
What do you think about applied behavior analysis?
Yeah, I'm sorry to be a little short.
Everyone asks me about these obscure things like, I'm a philosopher.
I don't do this. They used to make autistic kids normal.
How on earth would I have a philosophical analysis of what seems to be some kind of
a medical or formulaic treatment?
And of course a lot of women who are older promote child hatred and alcoholism, right?
You've seen this kind of stuff, right?
Where the women who are older, I saw a meme today where there was this woman who was at a soccer game watching her kid, and she says, like, oh, I just found out that the other moms don't even have wine in their water bottles.
Boring. You know, so there's this wine mom's thing.
I prefer wine to my kids.
And the sort of alcoholism and child hatred or child contempt is really, really tough.
Yeah, the wine aren't. Oh, yeah, it's just, it's horrible.
It's absolutely horrible stuff.
And... And of course, if you're raised without a father, if you are raised without the example of a happy, healthy relationship, it's really, really tough to get one going yourself.
I mean, of course, I say this with sort of significant, I think, personal experience.
I mean, if you can get it done, fantastic, because you actually end up with a better relationship than if you were imprinting on the average, right?
So if you have no imprinting, you end up with a better relationship than if you're imprinting on the average.
But yeah, it's rough.
Like here's the, this is a woman, she's of course, she's crying in the car, she's got the usual pink hair.
And she says, actual texts I sent my husband yesterday.
Oh, well, I'm just a fucking problem then and a shitty mom.
And then another one is, well, I fucking hate parenting.
I hate everything about being a mom.
Why did I decide to do this?
It fucking sucks and I can't wait till they go to college.
Yep, I'm the problem.
And it's like, can you imagine being a husband and trying to get your job done while your wife is having these kinds of tantrums and meltdowns?
At work? You're at work trying to get things done, right?
And how could you get anything done?
You'd be terrified for your children the whole time, right?
He said, my dad moved when I was young too, like you.
Mine never worked and struggles with basic skills.
Yours was a professor. What's worse, knowing your dad was capable and knowing he was capable and you lost it.
Why does something have to be better or worse?
My father was not a professor technically, although he did lecture at university.
Sorry to be annoying, but why does something have to be better or worse?
Your experience was your experience, and you should honor that.
You shouldn't try and compare it to other people's experience.
That way, self-rejection lies, right?
You should not compare your experience to anything other than your own experience.
When you're a child.
Because when you're a child, you only experience things you don't have the ability to compare your experience to others when you're a child.
And so to get back to reprocessing the feelings of childhood, that's the way we suppress our childhood feelings is by saying, well, it wasn't that bad.
I know people who've had it worse and my neighbor's dad was even meaner.
But that's not what you experienced as a child.
Jeff, was your father handy with tools and stuff?
I think so.
I remember him putting me up on a roof to sand down his garage roof, which had corrugated iron on it, to sand down his garage roof in the African sun for day after day.
Super fun. It's great.
We really, really got to connect while I was listening to a tinny radio of Crimson and Clover by Joan Jett.
Yeah. Very sad.
Should have had that sandblasted, yeah.
Well, I sanded it and then painted it and so excellently doing work for my dad.
It's great. Just fantastic.
So yeah, when you're dealing with your childhood emotions, don't minimize them by comparing them.
In my view I think that's a very very bad idea.
There were times where I wondered why the other parents seemed to care more about their children than mine, but I
couldn't express it clearly.
Any attempt to express this feeling to my parents didn't go well.
No, of course. Of course.
I mean, my parenthood is the greatest joy.
My marriage and my parenthood is the greatest joy, and this is a close third.
Are you finding this conversation helpful, interesting, useful?
Somebody asked me, how do you tell if a man has had a toxic relationship with his mother?
And that's a tough question to answer because a toxic relationship with your mother can lead you to a deeper appreciation of femininity and the beauty of womanhood.
I mean, I think women are wonderful and I love women and I'm surrounded by females and all of that kind of stuff, so it's great.
So I wouldn't want to say, like you could say, how can you tell if a man has unprocessed Trauma with his mother.
Maybe that would be a better way.
How can you tell if somebody has unprocessed trauma with his mother?
mother, would that be of interest? I think it would also occur to women as well.
Right, so, and this is trauma as a whole.
The second thing I want to say is that I'm not a big fan of the idea of a single-person
So... With trauma comes filter.
You can't be spontaneous.
You can't be direct. You can't just let your thoughts rip and ride.
With trauma, you have to watch everything you say.
So everything's kind of careful. There are long pauses.
Everything comes out kind of generic and so on.
Or there's kind of a weird pressured speech that's kind of tamped down, but there's not relaxation and directness.
To me, The hallmark of somebody who's dealt with their trauma is they're relaxed and they're direct in their communication.
You don't get the sense that everything's going through a committee or everything has to be filtered or everything is going through some weird interpretation mechanism.
If you are relaxed and direct, then most likely, unless you're I guess really good at faking it, then most likely you've dealt with your trauma.
So that relaxation and that directness It's very, very important.
If the person has something that is very distracting about their appearance, that tends to be a way of having you not be direct with them.
So a woman with a lot of cleavage, weird earrings, nose rings, tongue rings, weird hair, all of that is designed to distract you from directness towards their personality because part of your brain disengages to say, well, why would they have this weird appearance?
What's going on that they have this weird appearance?
So you can't just be relaxed and direct with them.
And the other thing, too, is that people who are traumatized are currently going through sort of trauma after effects, in my opinion.
They are constantly setting traps.
So a person who has a weird or unusual appearance, the first question you want to ask them is, well, why do you look like that?
And it's a trap, right?
You know what happens when somebody has a weird appearance and you say, well, why would you present yourself in that way?
You know what they say, right? They're, oh, you're a square and how dare you question it, just my self-expression.
You know, how square are you that you can't handle something slightly different?
Oh, this is outside your little suburban box.
It just becomes an attack, right?
Right? Some woman's got tattoos up her arms.
You're like, why would you get these tattoos?
Well, I find them enjoyable.
I'm sorry if this shatters your little bourgeois blah blah blah, right?
I know the kids don't say square anymore.
I know. They say lemon. So, yeah, that's it.
That's a trap. Consistent breakups and anger towards women.
Well, hypersexual men and hypersexual women are all traumatized, in my opinion.
All traumatized. And the sexual presentation and the sexual affect is all there to distract you from the trauma.
Hey, Steph, why do I feel the desire to know what people's intentions are?
For example, the intentions of people who support evil like government lockdowns.
Why would...
What do you not understand about their intentions?
I don't understand. They feel anxious, therefore you lose your liberties.
Right? Your freedoms have to be sacrificed for their own anxiety.
They can't manage their own feelings, so they have to control you.
Maybe I'm oversimplifying it, but I'm not sure.
What do you mean? They're pretty clear.
They're pretty clear about their intentions.
I need to get back to normal and we can't get back to normal until you do X, Y, or Z. Okay?
Why can't you get back to normal?
Lots of people have, lots of people aren't.
And it's funny how all of that stuff just completely vanished, right?
Bye.
Gone. Gone.
What is the uptake for the new faxes?
It's like 3%. Well, you're responsible for managing my feelings is the basis of all tyranny.
You follow that, right? You are responsible for managing my feelings.
If I feel bad, you have to change.
That's the foundation of all tyranny, whether it's domestic or political or religious.
You have to manage my feelings.
A little bit more female than male.
You have to manage my feelings.
If I feel bad, you're bad.
If I feel bad and you won't change your behavior, you're regressing against me, therefore I'm legitimately able to use violence.
Is that animalistic nature?
Nope. No, animals don't do that.
Because animals are too natural to buy that bullshit, right?
Like if somebody's upset, yeah, I'm sorry you're upset.
Well, you've got to change. No, no, what?
Like, I gotta eat because you're hungry?
You know, you're responsible for managing your own emotions.
You're responsible for managing your own emotions.
I'm happy to help. But I'm not going to manage your emotions for you.
Why? Because I'm not you.
Any more than I can... Oh, I really need to go to the bathroom.
Could you just go poop for me, please?
Yeah. I had sex with the wrong man, and I had a baby with the wrong man, and he's gone, and you gotta change your behavior and pay taxes to make up for my anxiety and bad feelings and lack of...
Why?
That's an unfair topic to bring to a chat, my friend.
you Yeah, please call a hotline if you have any thoughts like that.
That's an unfair topic to bring to a chat.
And I have great sympathy, I really do.
I have great sympathy. But there's no bandwidth to handle that.
And no expertise, right?
And I'm very sorry that you're feeling this way.
I really am. But this is not the place to talk about this.
And you need to get to a counselor.
You need to get in. If you can't afford a counselor, you can email me, operations at freedomain.com, and we'll work something out.
But yeah, this is not the place for that.
I'm really sorry, again, huge sympathies for you, but this is not her place to drop that in.
I'm just going to wait for the chat to catch up.
I'm going to wait for the chat to catch up.
you you
See, you're traumatizing people by talking about this, right?
It's deeply upsetting to people.
And it's scary for people.
And I, again, I want you to have quality people around you, and I don't think this is the way to do it.
Again, I could be wrong, but very, very upsetting to people.
Oh, this is you want to do this walk in the winter?
this walk in the winter.
I don't think it's a good idea, but hey, what can I do?
It's your choice, it's your life.
As far as, you know, here's the thing too, right?
So, if you all could just ask questions, like if you say, any tips for surviving the outdoors in a cold winter?
How on earth is a philosophy show supposed to handle that, right?
Right? You have to look that up.
If you're going to go winter camping or something like that, you need to look that up.
I'm not sure why this would come here.
Don't turn this into an everything show, right?
This is a philosophy show.
Don't turn this into an everything show.
Because that's just shouldering your way in and, you know, read the room a little bit and know what we're talking about here.
But what you're trying to do is you're trying to get people to suck into your winter track and all of this kind of stuff and it's not, you know...
It's not particularly helpful, right?
Because it's going to...
Right? Steph, why do you think Robert Smith cries in his concert?
Is his music just that good?
Robert Smith, is that the guy from The Cure?
Oh, man. I don't think the years have been overly kind to him.
All I remember about Robert Smith, other than...
Friday's I'm in Love. Oh, and I saw The Cure live.
They didn't even do Love Cats.
I couldn't believe it. He often cries.
Well, he's traumatized, right?
I mean, he had a terrible childhood, I assume.
And I do remember that he tried to record he and his wife around their house, maybe for a documentary or something like that.
And... He said, we're just crazy.
Nonsense. Everything came from nonsense, right?
All right. Let's see here.
You know, Wikipedia has enough money for 150 years.
But still, right?
All right. Let's see here.
Anything about his childhood?
Okay. His first band was called Malice.
And a band called Malice.
Ooh, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's funny.
Yeah, he doesn't...
Oh, yeah, that's right.
He was in Susie and the Banshees, right?
That cover of Dear Prudence was pretty good.
157th greatest singer of all time.
Can't quite get there.
Can't quite get there.
Yeah, he doesn't talk about his childhood, really.
Yeah, alright. So, yeah, but I assume it was a pretty bad childhood.
Alright. You mentioned earlier during your 20s you lived with a girlfriend.
Curious what brought that decision.
Is it wise to see what it's like to live with a woman before proposing to her?
I would not recommend it.
No, I would not. I certainly didn't live with my wife before we got married.
So, no, I would not recommend it.
Because what happens is you just end up aiming lower because you can just kind of play house and pretend that you have a relationship that's an adult thing and it's nothing really...
You want to...
Raise the bar. And if you say before a date, before asking a girl out, okay, if she says yes, and this leads to marriage and kids and the rest of my life with the same person, is that a good thing?
Is that a plus? Is that good? Do I want that, right?
As opposed to, this will be a fun weekend, or she's really charming, or she's whatever, right?
So you should date, and I wish I'd done this, right?
You should date with the intention of marriage, family, kids, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and that way your standards of quality will be much higher, and that's a good thing as a whole.
So yeah, I don't think it's really good.
Alright. Why, when things are in their infancy, are they usually at their most enjoyable?
For example, video games.
Why the decline when the quality of product improves?
Something gets lost. Sure.
Yeah. So at the very beginning of things, you have passionate madmen, like the aforementioned neckbeards that drove this guy away from the 25,000 times improvement of Bitcoin.
You have real manic enthusiasts.
They're crazy for it.
They're hyper. They're, you know, the early adopters, the early drivers of any industry are really excited and thrilled.
I mean, I wrote some video games when I was younger, and I wrote my own Zork game, I wrote a Lunar Lander game, I wrote a Missile Command in ASCII text, and so you're just really, really passionate about it, and you pour heart, mind, and soul into it, and it's like a mania, and it's like an obsession, and the people who are first in an industry do it for many years before they get paid at all, and they're thrilled to get paid.
It's like the actors who act for years, but when their first paycheck is like, really?
Wow, this is fantastic.
So there's just a real genuine passion for the thing itself rather than the money.
Later on, what you get, DEI, you get HR, you get shareholders, you get a board, you get, and you know, everything all just dies on the vine and becomes mechanical and boring.
I mean, can you imagine if, I mean, I just, let me take you on a tiny journey here.
How did you know it was the right time to have sex with your wife?
Come on, you can't possibly ask me that question and expect anybody with any self-respect to answer it.
Who the hell do you talk to that people answer these questions?
Anyway, that's very funny.
So, you know, imagine if I'd gone some, I don't know, Daily Wire route or something like that, and I was like, oh, um...
Yeah, I'm going to hire a whole bunch of people, I'm going to be the CEO, and we're going to get into all the major markets, and we're going to build big studios, and it's going to be a budget of $15 million a year.
Imagine if I had done all of that kind of stuff.
Imagine if I had done all that kind of stuff.
What would this show be like?
I mean, I do think about this stuff from time to time.
I'm used to working in a much larger organization, like the company that I co-founded.
We ended up with like 30, 35 people or whatever it was, most of whom reported to me because I was the chief technical officer.
So I was used to a bigger organization, this sort of solo thing.
Like there's a solo gig and then there's a solo gig.
And it's very interesting.
So... If the show had...
I mean, can you imagine?
I go with the topics I was doing, you know, a couple of years ago with all those topics, and I went to the board and I'm like, I really want to handle this topic.
What would they say? I really want to do this, that, and the other.
What would they say? Nope.
Nope. I can't do it.
Nope. Nope. Can't do it.
No, no, no. We got shareholders.
No, no, no. We got employees to think of.
No, absolutely not. Right?
Right. I know I'm doing really well.
Well, I just got deplatformed, but what I really want to do is read one of my novels from 20 years ago.
Advertisers don't approve.
We've got payroll, man.
The bank is going to say no, right?
You know, there are so many diluted souls on this planet.
Don't you want to at least have someone at full concentration?
Am I wrong? Don't you want to have at least one person undiluted?
Full concentration! I love that double use of the word concentration there, but...
Don't you just want to have somebody un-goobered, un-HR'd, un-boarded?
You know, if you're a really great singer, you can only harmonize with yourself, right?
Coming back to you is always refreshing.
yeah undiluted undiluted
I mean I had to shut up for most of my childhood I don't want to spend the rest of my natural mortal days doing all of that.
That would be like never living, never escaping childhood, never outgrowing the traumas of bad stuff at the beginning.
Reminds me of Twitch streamers.
They all have to filter their speech to keep the money bags rolling in.
Ah, well, yeah, don't forget my novel, Just Poor.
I've got a new feed for it.
Yeah, the...
I understand that, you know, people who are younger than me and whatever, they want to keep their money, and I get all of that.
But... Of what value is the money if it costs you your soul?
I know that that's an old and cheesy way to put it, but of what value is the money if it costs you your soul?
I remember reading many years ago, Tennessee Williams, in his introduction to the Glass Menagerie, He was talking, and this was incomprehensible to me at the time.
Incomprehensible. He was one of the most successful playwrights.
He wrote Night of the Iguana, Streetcar Named Desire.
He wrote Glass Menagerie, which is a great play.
And I read his autobiography, I read his plays, I watched his movies.
And I remember him saying something like this, you know, when I first was successful and made a lot of money, I was in a hotel and I had some gravy for my steak but I poured chocolate sauce on it instead and it tasted revolting and I just looked around and I was grossed out by this beautiful hotel room and all of this finery and this china and this glassware and he just had to bail out and get out.
Now, that's, I think, a little extreme.
I don't think being surrounded by nice stuff doesn't give, you know, shouldn't give people the hives in that kind of way.
But when you get older, like money hunger is a young person's game.
And when you get older, the quality of what you're doing is worth more than the money.
I mean obviously I took a massive income hit with de-platforming but I'm happier now.
Right?
Thanks, Dormaster, I appreciate that.
Yeah, I'm happier now.
There's only so much that money can do for you.
I make money for my son and that feels more important than the money itself.
Yeah. I mean, the money you spend on your kids, is that deducted from your happiness?
Nope. The money I spend on the show, is it deducted from my happiness?
Nope. Nope.
Nope. It gets added, right?
What's the money for? Who wants to be the richest guy in the graveyard?
Who wants to be the guy who dies with the most digital bits somewhere or else, right?
Steph, I accomplished my childhood dream, but I want more.
Yes, of course you want more.
Of course you want more. Do you know why?
Because you're not dead yet. If you're not dead yet, you want more.
God, embrace that.
Love it! That Johnny Cash song, Hurt.
That was a cover, wasn't it?
Yeah, that was a cover. I think it was voted recently one of the greatest covers ever.
Yeah. Oh, I want more.
Yeah, of course. I mean, do you think I'm done with philosophy?
I mean, I got hopefully another three decades on the planet.
Yeah, Trent Reznor, right?
It was a Nine Inch Nails cover, right?
Bow down before the one you serve.
You're going to get what you deserve.
Any last tips for the hardest-working philosopher in the known universe?
Of course, if you're listening to this later, freedomain.com slash donate.
I would very much appreciate that.
Freedomain.com. Don't forget to check out Freedomain.com.
Go to the books section. There are feeds and books and all kinds of glorious stuff.
I mean, I love my fiction.
The nonfiction is fine too.
I love my fiction. You should check it out.
It is just great.
Well, Trent Reznor, wasn't he half suicidal in his stage antics from time to time?
It seems that way, at least to me.
I'm just waiting for the last comments to come rolling in.
Roger Taylor. Yeah, he was, right?
That's right, yeah, I think so.
Good singer though.
You uh, you probably don't ever want to look up Ozzy Osbourne singing Take Me Out to the
Bowl Game with his wife.
Bye.
That was not good.
Although Tony Bennett doing America the Beautiful is great at the ballgame,
and even Meat Loaf doing the Star Spangled Banner was pretty good.
you I never really got into fiction as much as non-fiction.
Curious what value you got from the fiction you've read.
Oh, fiction is massive empathy training.
Massive. I mean, good fiction, quality fiction, not this postmodern crap, is massive empathy training because you get to literally slide up the nasal cavity and into the brain of another human being.
Not just the writer, but his character.
So you're literally slithering into other people's brains.
It's a massive empathy trainer.
Have you ever collaborated with Sticks, Hex, and Hammer 666?
Old Tarle Warwick.
Yes, we've done a bunch of shows together.
And we did a Christmas show where I was shirtless with a leather jacket on.
It was really quite something.
And yeah, I like him.
I like him a lot. You're a righteous Gentile.
I appreciate that. As long as that doesn't mean gentle, I'm good.
Steph, you're the goat. I'm not in a financial situation to donate at the moment, but as soon as I can, I will tip away.
No worries. Nate, I really appreciate that.
If you're broke, I've been there.
I absolutely sympathize.
Enjoy the show. Consume the content.
Pillage the server until it glows red and is visible from Mars.
Enjoy, enjoy, enjoy. When you come into some cash, happy to take the donations, but I don't want anyone to feel bad if you're low in cash and you're broke.
Keep your cash for yourself.
Treat yourself and get me on the flip side.
That's totally fine. So I hope that you will do that and enjoy.
All right. I will close off to now.
Tonight? Now? Close up?
I mean, I'll just make up my own words as we go forward.
I will close up tonight.
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And maybe I'll throw up, I actually did a multi-track recording.
I covered a song, believe it or not.
I covered a song and for the first time I tried harmonizing with myself.
The other day, it was very, very interesting.
And maybe I'll pop that up at some point to the donors.
I'm not sure that the world is ready for the vocal stylings of 1S Molyneux in multitrack.
But, oh yeah, Jared's right.
Yeah, the premium articles.
We're taking all the premium stuff and putting it on one sort of pinned article so you can find it.
When the song posts? Yeah, I'll maybe post it this week.
I'll probably have a little bit more post-production to do with it.
I was actually just at the vocals and I was thinking maybe it'd be kind of fun to have people add the instruments and we could end up with an actual song.
Digital Audio Workstation?
Oh, just Audacity.
That's it. That's it.
So yeah, maybe I'll post that later this week, but it was a lot of fun.
It was a lot of fun.
I do love me building out a good song.
Never too late, Steph, to become a rock star.
It may be. It may be.
It probably is. I'm not going to be the Grandma Moses of Arena Rock.
But anyway, if you need help mixing, hit me up.
It's what I'm going to school for.
Nathan, that's very kind. Can you just shoot me an email?
Operationsoffreedomain.com. And yeah, that would be helpful.
I could use a little bit of reverb on it or something like that, a little bit of stadium sound.
I used to do that with a Rio program way back, but it only worked with the Windows XP, and I think it ended after that.
So... Yeah, shoot me an email and I'll send you the tracks and you can see if you can do something good and cool with them.
Stick's cover of Yesterday, he has a nice voice.
Yeah, that's right. I write for music libraries professionally.
All right, well, thanks everyone so much.
A great deal of pleasure to chat with you guys tonight.
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