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March 27, 2023 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
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How to Ask Women Out! Freedomain Call In
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So the question that I had, and first off, I just want to say I'm reading real-time relationships, so this answer could be answered in that.
I'm just not finished with it yet.
But the other day when you're having the conversation with the fellow who was dating the obese woman in Mexico, I think he was like from Austria or Germany or something, You talk to him about how nobody told him or nobody instructed him on how to date.
That was the job for his father.
That hit me a lot, because I also grew up without a dad and such.
And I guess I was just wondering, like...
What would, I guess, what should have been the advice?
Or maybe the question could be, rather, like, if you had a son, like, what would you tell him about dating?
Like, how would you instruct him?
And all that good stuff, I guess.
Really trying to fill up that missing element there, because I really identified with just not knowing what to do vis-a-vis women.
Yeah, there's a guy on YouTube whose father left him when he was younger and he's got a whole series of videos called, Dad, How Do I? And it literally is things like, how do I shave?
How do I change oil?
How do I change a light bulb?
You know, all of that kind of stuff.
And it's really tragic.
I remember I didn't know how to shave and there weren't any videos back then.
I just remember learning how to shave from a magazine article I found in a In a library.
Now, of course, you know, if you have a sensitive single mom, which, you know, theoretically could happen, but if you have a sensitive single mom, then she will sit there and say, well, gosh, I've really got to get a male, somebody I know who's a man, to teach my boy how to shave.
But, you know, single mothers in generally are sort of armed windmilling over a void because it's a huge amount.
It's a lot to raise kids and Single mothers, they have their financial worries, they have their relationship issues, they have just a lot of things going on that are kind of messy.
And in general, the word overwhelmed is just sort of invented for single mothers, so they usually don't have the sort of calm and gravitas to kind of help you out with that.
But if you don't mind, just tell me a little bit more about your experience with dating and what you feel might be missing for you.
Sure. Well, I guess the thing that was really driving this question was just the other day I went to like a comedy show and I was sitting at the bar and this woman sat down next to me and we ended up having a conversation and such and she was single and seemed pretty intelligent and pretty and there were some other traits that seemed pretty good but I didn't know how to like I guess I didn't, I kind of was like more frozen that, again, back to that conversation that you had with the guy the other day, mentioning how when you don't really know what to do, sometimes you can just kind of like not do anything.
That's a viable strategy in some ways.
So I just, afterwards I was really frustrated with myself that I didn't like ask her out on a date or get her number or something like that.
In terms of dating, I guess I've had limited experience.
Did a dating app thing for a little bit and didn't really find that pretty useful.
I might have forgot the totality of what you had asked, so I apologize.
Oh, no problem. And what's your age range?
You don't have to give me your exact age, 20s, 30s?
Early 30s.
Early 30s, okay. And what's the longest relationship you've had?
That would have been about maybe 10 months, 11 months, something like that.
And how did you meet and what happened to that relationship?
That was the dating app.
And we met over said dating app and at the...
There were various conflicts that could have been averted.
There were lots of conflicts that me and the female had that we were not focusing on at earlier parts in the relationship because physical intimacy was initiated early, if that makes sense.
Yeah, so you had sex and you bonded physically, but you didn't have emotional trust, so there was a lot of stress, right?
Correct. And how did things end?
I had to acknowledge that the emotional aspect wasn't there for the long term, so I ended up ending the relationship.
Sorry, that's a little vague.
Did one of you cheat or did you break up and then come to a new relationship?
I just broke up.
Sorry. Yeah, that was kind of vague.
It was a rough breakup.
The female did not take it very well.
But basically, I didn't feel like I loved her.
And she had expressed that for me.
Right. And when you met on the dating app, how long was it, like when you sort of had your first face-to-face meeting, how long was it before you had sex?
Second date. Second date.
Okay. Boy, that's inhuman restraint these days, right?
Right, right, right.
Okay. All right.
So when you were talking to the woman at the comedy show, what was your thoughts or what
were your thoughts that had you hesitate or not ask her for her contact info?
I guess it was just like I suppose there was an element of fear there.
I suppose the fear of rejection maybe have been playing in, but also it was just like I... I just felt like I don't know what to do or how to do that component.
Well, no, sorry. With all due respect, that's just absolutely not true.
You know exactly what to do.
If you want to ask a woman her number, what do you do?
What do you say? You say, hey, what's your number?
Yeah, okay, fair point, fair point.
So I'm really enjoying this conversation.
I'd love to chat again.
Could I get any contact info for you?
Now, maybe the number is too personal.
I don't know what layers people have these days, whether you go with, I don't know, Some messaging app or something which is more easily blocked.
I don't know, right? But you just say, oh, I really enjoyed this.
I'd love to chat again. And if she says yes, then you say, can I get your contact information?
And if she says no, oh, she's got a boyfriend or whatever.
Hey, you know, but I really have enjoyed the conversation.
That much is true, right? So again, it's not easy, but you know how to ask someone's contact information, right?
So it's not a knowledge thing, right?
That's why I'm trying to sort of ask...
Do you want a knowledge thing or do you want a feeling thing?
Sorry, this sounds a little sinister.
Would you like some feels? But you know how to ask a woman her contact information because it's as simple as saying, I would like to talk.
Just being honest, right? I'm enjoying the conversation.
I'd like to talk more. I'd like to talk again, right?
Okay, right. So you know how to do it.
So the block is not knowledge, if that makes sense.
Yeah, the block is feeling, which is why you were asking, what's the feeling that I was experiencing in that moment?
Yeah, basically what's going through your mind and your heart when you are thinking, and for quite some time you're thinking of asking her out.
And also the thing is too, here's the thing, if you're really thinking about asking a woman out, and that's kind of rolling through your brain, if you don't do it relatively quickly, you fail.
Do you know why? No.
Because you become a bad conversationalist.
Because your mind is consumed by, should I ask her out?
How am I going to ask her out?
And so you're not able to be direct with her and have an honest, straightforward conversation because you're all tied up in knots about asking her out and you're not asking her out.
So you become less interesting and less engaging, if that makes sense.
Okay, yeah, because you're distracted.
You're not present in the conversation.
Well, to take a silly example, imagine you're trying to chat with a woman, but for 10 minutes you're trying to pass wind without sounding anything, like without making a sound.
I mean, you'd be kind of distracted, right?
Sure. So this is why, when the thought arises, I'd like to chat again, You either put the thought aside and say, I'm going to ask later, or you ask relatively soon.
But if you just have it floating around in your brain, it's detaching you from the conversation because you're distracted, right?
Sure. Yeah, that makes sense.
Right. Now, what else is going on in your mind when you are in that situation?
I guess there's...
I'm thinking.
Sorry for the dead air. Yeah, don't worry about thinking.
It's a thinking show, and this isn't really a show like there's dead air.
It's just a conversation in which there are pauses.
I guess that's kind of what I was talking about earlier, so that's fine.
Sure, sure. So, yeah, I mean I guess part of it might be the Like you had mentioned about the numbers maybe being too personal.
I suppose there was like kind of that component weighing in with whether or not asking for a number was appropriate.
In that, you know, maybe that was like too personal of a thing.
And that, I guess I'm kind of arguing still for a knowledge gap, which is like, what is the, like, what is the thing that you're supposed to ask for?
Or like, how are you supposed to do this?
Am I imposing? Am I being inappropriate?
Am I stalking?
Am I, is she going to call HR? You know, am I going to get filmed?
Like, oh yeah, I'm just at the comedy show with this guy and he's just begging for me to...
Is it that kind of stuff?
Yes, yes, 100% that.
It's like, how do I do this without being viewed as a creep or something?
Right. Now, you know that, I'm sure you're aware, that there has been a massive amount of propaganda poured into men to have them hesitate to ask women out.
I don't know if you're aware of that.
Yeah, no, it seems like constantly.
Oh, it's constant. I mean, and it's not accidental.
Like, nothing that happens in the media is accidental.
I mean, the idea of sort of spontaneous art generation or things from artists for the people based upon...
That's all gone. That's gone decades ago.
Now, everything is for an agenda, right?
Everything is for an agenda.
I mean, that song by Radiohead called Creep...
It's a way of just programming people to be beta losers.
And it's a well-sung song and it's good lyrics in a sort of horrible way and so on.
And the whole band is just full of beta resentful guys or semi-guys.
But it's relentlessly promoted because of that kind of stuff.
Well, like Beck. He's got a song, I'm a loser baby, so why don't you kill me?
Right? I mean... It's all promoted to...
And there's a cuck song by the killer, so I can't remember the name, Mr.
or somebody or other, right? So a lot of this stuff is promoted to just make you feel like you're a creep, like you're a loser.
And there's this whole thing that's pushed that women...
You know, hey man, I'm just out for a night with my girlfriends.
I don't want men to be hitting on me.
You get that kind of stuff a lot, right?
And then, of course, you have to sing at the gym where a guy, like a woman, is in some sort of skin-tight outfit doing a leg stretch so a sunbeam hits her vulva and then it's like, oh, I can't believe these creeps are looking at me, right?
It's kind of psycho, right?
And this stuff, like, it's not...
This stuff never floats up organically.
It's there to program you so that you don't approach women.
So you have the natural fear of rejection, which is all just part of being a man.
And that's natural. That's actually quite healthy.
So you have that, and now you have all of these layers piled on top of you of women don't want to be approached.
You're imposing.
You're being inappropriate. She's just out for a fun night, and here you are creeping on her.
Does that sort of make sense that this has been programmed in you?
Yeah, 100%. That is absolutely, yeah, spot on.
And so it makes it very difficult because even if you push through all of that, you're very tentative, right?
You're very tentative, and because you're very tentative, the woman finds you less appealing.
Well, I don't want to impose, and I'm not a creep, and it's like, oh, that's so tentative, right?
Right, right. So, I mean, I'm glad...
Sorry, go ahead. Well, I was just going to say, that was...
So, like, I've been trying to journal nightly.
I started therapy a little bit ago.
It's kind of part of it. Trying to follow your advice on that front.
So, I guess, thanks for that because it's been helpful.
But that was the thing that I was writing that night in my journal was that she's not from America.
And she said she was from an Eastern European country.
And I was thinking about how, like...
To her perspective, my actions here probably would have been really confusing or likely interpreted as rejection and not just like trepidation.
Because I'm just guessing, but it seems like there's less of that programming on like not American men, if that makes sense, maybe not men in the West.
Well, no, Eastern European is in the West, but yeah, for sure.
It is in, you know, when the leftists control the media...
The first thing they want to do is castrate the alphas, right?
I mean, that's the first thing they want to do.
So they promote all of this stuff which lowers your testosterone and they promote this kind of hesitancy.
So one of the agendas of collectivists is to emasculate the men and make the women more masculine.
And so one of the ways that men get emasculated, look, the business of life is creating life.
That's the entire business of life, is to create life.
That's the entire purpose. Why do you go to work?
To get money. Why do you get money?
To support a family. Why does a woman exercise?
To attract a higher value mate.
Why does she put on makeup? To attract a higher value mate.
Why are we here? Because the business of life is creating life.
And to create life, you need to ask women out.
So it's a profoundly nihilistic and anti-life stance situation.
To pretend that women, oh, you know, they get all dressed up and they put on makeup and they go to a place with dim lighting, but the last thing they ever want is to be approached by a man.
So it's the, you know, like the Schrodinger's feminist, like she's either a complete victim or an absolute empowered master of her destiny, right?
I mean, there's nothing in between.
She's either hyper-masculine or she's like, You know, fainting, hysterical feminine.
And so, yeah, the business of life is the creation of life.
So we exist because our forefathers asked women out and the women said yes or no.
Now, of course, if you ask a woman out and she doesn't want to go out with you, I mean, I get that stings, right?
And that's perfectly valid.
You respect that and you move on and so on.
But yeah, there has been a whole lot of propaganda out there.
Don't ask women out. And it's put out there so you don't have...
Kids, so you're not happy.
And it's also put out there, see, something sort of foundational to remember, is that the government loves single women more than anything else in the world.
I mean, the fact that women are unmarried and unmarried women vote for more and more government is not an accident.
They can read the charts of the demographics as well as anybody else.
So the government's sole purpose, the culture's sole purpose in media...
Is to keep women single.
And one of the ways that they keep women single is they put out all of this nonsense that women just don't want to be asked out.
That women are just out there to have fun and they don't want some guy creeping up on them and it's so inappropriate, right?
They do this in the workforce.
They do this at home. And so making women...
Programming women to feel more indifferent towards men and programming men to feel afraid of women is with the goal of keeping women single.
Because again, when women are single, they vote for bigger and bigger government.
Women vote you into totalitarianism.
Men have to kind of shoot their way out after a while.
So you're caught up in a political movement called totalitarianism, which has as its goal keeping women single.
Because single women get far more out of the government than they pay in.
Like many times more out of the government than they pay in over the course of their life.
In healthcare and old age pensions and even in just getting the government to prop up their wages and salaries either by hiring them directly or forcing overpay for their value in the free market or the remnants of the free market.
So you're caught up in a whole political thing which is designed to keep women single by saying to men, If you try to ask a woman out, you're a creep and a weirdo.
And she's going to post about it on social media, and your reputation is going to be destroyed, and you're going to go through hell.
And it's just single women are a great crop for totalitarianism.
And we can get mad about it, we can do whatever we want, but it doesn't really matter.
I mean, it's just a fact, right?
So, the business of life is making life.
And here's the thing too, like a woman who has a boyfriend, right?
She's in a social situation.
If a woman has a boyfriend, what's one of the first things she mentions when a guy chats with her?
That she has a boyfriend.
Right. Right.
So if a woman is in a club and she's chatting with you and she doesn't mention that she has a boyfriend, and of course she's enjoying the conversation or whatever, then she wants you to ask her out.
It's just a fact.
Women want to be asked out.
Now, it doesn't mean that they'll say yes.
Maybe she just wants to be asked out because she's feeling a little chubby that day and just wants to know that she's still attractive.
Maybe she doesn't want to date...
For whatever reason, maybe she doesn't have a boyfriend, but she just broke up with a boyfriend and doesn't want to start another relationship right now.
But she wants to be asked out.
I mean, let me ask you this. Have you ever had a job offer, even if you're very happy in your current job, have you ever had a job offer that you felt was wrong, creepy, and inappropriate?
No. No, of course not.
It's nice to know that you have.
A job offer that you have value in the marketplace.
That's a good thing to know.
It makes you happy, right?
I mean, I can't imagine, like, when I was headhunted when I was a senior executive and entrepreneur in the software industry, and never once did I say, well, it's highly inappropriate that you would call me up with a job offer when I already have a job I love.
It's like, no, hey, look, I appreciate it.
That's nice. I'm happy where I am, but, you know, it's very nice for you to think of me and all that kind of stuff, right?
Yeah, that's a really good way of thinking about that, yeah.
But if you're happy in your job and someone calls you up and says, hey man, I've got a really great job for you, I mean, what are you going to call the cops?
I'm so overwhelmed, I can't handle that, right?
So, yeah, so unfortunately, you're just caught up in a whole thing.
It's kind of like if your girlfriend is on birth control, like if she's on the pill...
You haven't really met her.
You haven't really met her because women who are on the pill tend to prefer softer, more tentative, slightly more feminized men.
That's just the hormones, right?
And then, when they go off the pill, they tend to prefer more assertive, alpha...
Less soft, less touchy-feely, less sensitive men.
So, of course, you know, one of the things that happens in marriage is a woman who's on the birth control pill because she's single and maybe sleeping around a little bit, she ends up in a relationship with a guy and maybe they get married and he's like a pretty soft and tender guy and it gets nothing wrong with that.
I'm just, you know, it's a particular spectrum.
And then she gets married and She goes off birth control because maybe they decide to have kids, or maybe she's just in a stable relationship, doesn't want to be on birth control, or maybe it's making her gain weight, or she wants to lose weight, it made her gain, or whatever.
She goes off birth control. So now she's married to this guy that, when she was on birth control, she thought was like this nice, attractive guy, and then what happens?
She goes off birth control, and her preferences switch to a more dominant and assertive and alpha male, And her eyes begin to wander because the guy who wakes up in the morning, oh, I dreamt about you.
I wanted to see how you were doing this morning.
All of that seems really sweet and affectionate.
When she's on the pill, when she's off the pill, it just feels kind of cloying and annoying.
Stop focusing on me and go out and bring down a deer.
Bring me back some...
Some resources for the kids.
And this is also true. When a woman is in the dating phase, she wants men to be more romantic.
When she goes off the pill and gets pregnant, she wants men to be more assertive.
The purpose of the relationship is not fueling her ego, it's in fact feeding children.
And the man texting her when he wakes up saying, the sun rises and sets with her face in his mind, that's not getting any food on the table.
It's just, you know, it's kind of a nice, treacly sentiment and so on.
So it's important for men, like when you start, when you get married and you have kids.
The wooing phase is done.
And that doesn't mean don't be romantic, don't bring your wife flowers, don't tell her you love her.
But the wooing phase is done, and now you're in the meaty business of making people.
And that's a whole different thing.
And men who sort of don't transition to that often don't do particularly well in marriage or long-term relationships.
And of course the woman doesn't really understand what's going on so she just ends up nagging,
which further emasculates the man.
Nagging is a form of testing for emasculation.
So anyway, sort of a long rambly thing there, but I sort of wanted to get the sense of what
you thought.
A woman, a healthy normal woman, if she's dressed up, going to a club, got makeup on,
dating with a guy, doesn't mention a boyfriend, there's absolutely nothing wrong with asking
her for her contact information.
Thanks for watching!
And doing so in a way that's not like, oh, if it's not too much of a bother, blah, blah, blah, right?
Right, yeah. Because really, it's just a form of honesty.
And the purpose of propaganda is to make you lie.
And in a sense, like, I'm not saying you're a liar, but in a sense you lied about this because you wanted something and you weren't honest about it.
You wanted her contact information and you weren't honest about it, right?
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah. So the purpose of propaganda is to get you to lie.
Because once you lie, you're kind of enslaved, right?
Yeah. Or just also just be afraid of the truth.
Yeah. Well, no, because being afraid of the truth doesn't mean that you're going to lie.
In fact, being afraid of the truth might be exactly what gets you to the truth.
Like, it's sort of often struck me in society that, you know, everybody feels society is going to hell in a handbasket, and everybody knows all the topics you're absolutely not supposed to talk about.
And so, the topics you're absolutely not supposed to talk about is the first place that people should look.
Because if society is degrading, Then the banned topics would be the ones with the most value, of course, right?
So, no, a fear of the truth doesn't make you lie.
In fact, it can bring you to the truth.
Right, okay, good. Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.
Okay, yep. So, you've got a chorus, like, so, it's sort of a Greek chorus, right?
In ancient Greek plays, there'd be this bunch of singers that would trail around the hero singing about his trials and tribulations, called the chorus.
So, you've got a chorus in your head...
Which is, I don't want to, is it, I don't want to impose, like, what's the root thought there?
I guess it's a lot of it's the, the imposing is one, but I think overall it's like the creepy, whatever, the fear of the, you know, all the stuff with the gyms recently of like...
Oh yeah, serious, that's a serious program.
It comes out of TikTok, right? So it's just Chinese propaganda, right, to emasculate the West.
I get it, yeah. Yeah, so I guess it was like half of that was...
I don't know.
Seeing all of that, it almost just seemed like, okay, well, to be safe, one should just not try to approach women in public and only do stuff over online because then it's not imposing or it's not being creepy or something.
It was kind of like the thought that I had in my head.
But clearly, that's just the propaganda.
But yeah, I guess a lot of it is the imposition or just the, I don't know, like...
Yeah, what if I'm like misreading signs or something like that and I'm, you know, like doing something wrong here?
She doesn't actually want me to ask her number or something.
Which none of that really makes sense.
Hang on.
Sorry, if she doesn't want you to ask her number.
See, this is the Schrodinger's feminist, right?
So, women are super empowered, and women can do everything that a man can do, and women can take on giant transformer robots in leotards and win, right?
So, women are super empowered, right?
So, this is in your mind.
So, to me, if a woman is super empowered, right?
So, if I ask a woman for her number, and she's super empowered, can do everything a man can do, is stunning, brave, noble, and fearless.
If I ask a woman for her number, and she doesn't want to give me her number, what would she say?
No. Hey, that's really sweet, but I'm not in a dating frame of mind right now, but I appreciate it.
I'm enjoying the conversation as well.
It's just that I'm not in a dating frame of mind, but I really appreciate the ask, right?
Right. Okay. I mean, that's a little bit of a sting, but not the end of the world, right?
But it's still honest.
Well, it's honest, sure.
And here's the thing, too.
In The Schrodinger's Feminist, then you flip from stunning, brave, noble, strong to a woman who can't possibly say no and is going to get dragged into a relationship because she just can't say to a guy, I really appreciate the interest but I'm not in a dating frame of mind at the moment or whatever.
She can't be honest.
So now she's just some helpless victim of everything, right?
Mm-hmm. So, yeah, it's really tragic, and this is one of the horrible things about statism.
It's because single women vote for the government.
Governments have a massive incentive to keep women single, which, as we can see, with antidepressant use for women, it drives them mad.
Like, it makes them crazy.
Single for men is bad, but not...
Absolutely awful. I mean, relative to women, men are a tiny little bit autistic in my view.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
Like, we prefer things and women prefer people and all that kind of stuff.
And we're more mechanical and they're more emotional.
Again, these are just general traits, lots of exceptions.
But men can handle solitude a little bit better.
A little bit. But women, for women as a whole, solitude...
It makes them crazy.
Like the Karen phenomenon comes out of solitude, comes out of isolation, even if you're in a relationship, if you're just not able to connect.
And of course, as we know, male semen contains antidepressants for women.
So women who aren't having unprotected sex, which of course is for middle-aged women.
Post-menopause, you don't even need birth control.
So they are getting sort of depressed and anxious.
It's really, it's torture.
Solitude for women is like for men being in endless HR meetings at work.
It's like, do I have to chew off my own arm to get out of this trap or something like that?
So, yeah, it's really horrible.
The state strips people of love because loveless people want bigger government because, you know, if you can't marry a husband, you try to vote for one, right?
So, I mean, here's the thing.
It comes down to respect for women, to me.
I'm going to sort of make the case.
It comes down to respect for women. So, do women enjoy being loved?
That's a real question for you.
I would assume.
I would assume. That is very tentative.
Do women enjoy being loved?
Okay, sorry. Yeah.
Well, I would have to say yes, then.
Yeah. Okay, can we do it without qualifications and like boilerplate?
Like I feel like I'm talking to your lawyer.
My client is taking this matter under advisement and wishes to repeat the same sentence he said earlier just in case there are any contradictions.
Do women enjoy being loved?
Yeah. Yes, they do.
To be loved and to be in love, do you need to meet someone?
Yes. Yes, you do.
Is there a giant societal apparatus in place for introducing people to each other for the purposes of marriage as they used to be with matchmakers?
No, not really.
So you have to go and ask women out.
Oh, right. And you do that because you're going to make some woman very, very, very happy.
It's like that old song.
Oh, she may be weary.
Women do get weary wearing that same old saggy dress.
And love is their only happiness.
I mean, there's some truth to that, right?
Love is the sun around which women's hearts orbit.
So, if you don't ask a woman out, it's mean.
Because you could be the man who loves her for the rest of her life, who gives her children and her family and security and grandchildren and comfort and succor in her old age and protection and that's what women are designed and built biologically to pursue.
So, you are withholding a woman's greatest treasure by not asking her out.
And you're also incredibly disrespecting her.
Because... If a woman is chatting with you, and every woman knows, see, this is the funny thing, right?
Women are not dumb.
Women are brilliant and sensitive and perceptive.
And listen, a woman who is chatting with a guy in a nightclub absolutely for sure knows that the guy is interested.
Like, we think we hide this stuff.
No, no, no. It was just a social chat.
Come on. If she was an obese male 60-year-old bald trucker, would you be having a nice long conversation with her?
Likely not. Likely not, right?
So the woman knows that you are interested.
And the more feminine she is, the more she's aware of this, but the more feminine she is, the less likely she is to ask for your number.
Because that doesn't make her feel special.
Women as a whole want to be picked They want to be chosen and they biologically a program to
do that Because if the man is too tentative to ask her out
Then he's too tentative to win in the harsh competition of the marketplace for resources for her
For her and her children should they get married does that sort of make sense?
Okay, right. Yeah, it's like a proxy for competitiveness almost yes, are you assertive?
Can you compete? Are you assertive?
Can you compete? So if you're too nervous to ask the woman out, you'll be too nervous to ask for a raise.
If you're too nervous to ask the woman out, then every other male who's not that nervous is just going to push past you and get the resources.
And you'll be like, oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be in your way, right?
Okay, yeah, that makes total sense.
Okay, yeah. And so it's an absolutely necessary test for survival.
Absolutely necessary test for survival.
I mean, and you know, men, what do we want?
We want a woman who's sexy but doesn't know that she's sexy, right?
We want a woman who's super hot but will choose us even if we're not super hot.
Like, we want some contradictions, right?
And that's fine. It's just the way of the world, right?
And women also want some contradictions.
So, some women do want a guy that they can...
I won't say necessarily boss or dominate, but they do want a guy who's so in love with them that he's kind of subservient, and that way she doesn't have to worry about competition from other women, and she can get her way with things and so on.
So she wants a man, some women, who wants a man who's a little subservient, but what's the problem with that for
her?
Well, if he's subservient to her, then he would be potentially subservient to other people and thus less
resources?
Yeah, exactly. If she can boss him around, he's going to lose in getting resources.
Okay, right. So a woman wants a man to some degree that she can boss around, but at the same time, she wants to not be able to boss him around.
And it's called the shit test, right?
So a woman will try to boss you around in general, and she will take great pleasure in you, not in a hostile way, but saying, hey, nice try.
That gives her security.
Because we don't know what it's like.
As men, we don't know what it's like to be a woman.
To have to grow a human being that you then have to raise for 20 years.
Men throughout history could just take off.
Get a woman pregnant, just take off.
So we don't know the vulnerability of what it is to be a woman.
We just don't know because our investment in reproduction is nothing.
Their investment in reproduction is everything.
So we don't know.
We don't know what it's like.
So we don't know all of the tests that women have to put men through to ensure that they're not going to be abandoned And thus die.
Because literally, sex historically for women was life and death.
Life and death.
If they slept with the wrong man, they died and their children died.
Because they were unprotected, uncared for.
And whether it was immediate death or slow death or whether it was just genetic death in that she and her children might live but nobody would ever marry her or her children so it's the end of her family line.
So, I don't know what it's like to be a woman, but I can certainly understand that there's a lot of complicated testing that needs to go on.
I mean, I remember when I was in university.
I was in the library, and I ended up having a really nice conversation with a young woman.
And at the time, I was playing Macbeth, and I figured Macbeth as a warrior would be fairly muscular.
And I had a couple of shirtless scenes, so I was working out like crazy, like doing...
A lot of heavy reps.
Sorry, a lot of short heavy reps to build up as much muscle as possible.
And I noticed that this young woman, a very nice, attractive, she kept showing up at the gym where I was at.
It was a university gym, so it wasn't anything like that.
Now, she didn't ask me out.
And I would chat with her a little bit here and there.
And of course, you know, later I was like, oh, you know, whatever, right?
But... The...
The nice girls are really, you know, these days, it's hell for nice girls.
It's hell for nice girls.
Because you've got all the crazy, sexy girls, right?
The girls who will put out, the girls who will really inflame a man's sexual desire in order that he will overlook their distinct lack of qualities of character.
So for the good girls, it's doom in a bag these days.
Because most of culture these days is about rewarding bad behavior and punishing good behavior.
So the good girl is waiting for the guy to ask her out because she's smart and she's sensible and she knows that the guy needs to show some courage and conviction in order to be a worthwhile provider for her and her children.
So the good girl is waiting for the guy to ask her out.
And what are the guys doing? Well, I don't want to impose, and I don't want to end up on TikTok, and I don't want to be a creep, right?
So she just sits there. And her virtues are being punished.
Because men have been programmed to feel weird for wanting to ask a woman out.
I mean, this is the most normal thing in the known universe.
It's the whole reason why life exists, human beings exist, everything.
Everything around you. Everything around you was built by someone who was born because some guy asked some woman out.
I mean, the comedian, the nightclub, the waiter, whoever made the drinks, the tables, the air conditioning, the HVAC system, the foundations, all of it, poured, built like you're surrounded by frozen cathedrals of thought that manifested because some guy asked some woman out.
And, you know, you can either join in that literal merry-go-round or you can be programmed into, oh, I don't want to impose.
It's funny, you know, TikTok comes out of China.
Chinese government, you think it ever worries about imposing?
Ever? Ever?
No, it's just the alphas like programming the betas to become zetas, right?
They like programming. They don't want to raise you to a situation of strength.
I mean, this is why, you know, male testosterone has collapsed in the Western world for the last 50 years.
And is this an emergency?
Nope. Nobody's even really talking about it because it's just fine.
It's well-suited, right? So, it is a natural, normal, healthy, beautiful thing to ask a girl for her contact information.
It's also a natural, healthy, and beautiful thing if she says, I'm not in a dating frame of mind, or I'm afraid I can't, or I won't, to say, hey, no problem.
I appreciate you telling me that.
I appreciate the honesty. Right?
Right? And then if she's reasonably polite, she'll say, I appreciate you asking.
I'm flattered, but, right?
Natural, healthy, normal.
I mean, there's that girl who filmed some guy at the gym, and she's like, I just don't like being sexualized.
Well, of course, she's in the gym in a skimpy outfit.
Okay, fine, who cares, right?
Although it's the women who do that, not the men, right?
And... Actually, I do remember one guy, but I used to go to a gym in Toronto.
I remember one guy, he wore those super tight leggings, but he was as gay as they come.
And so she's like, I hate being sexualized.
And of course, the dark comedy of that is she had an OnlyFans account, right?
So it is true that some woman might treat you as a creep for asking her out.
Ew, no, right?
Well, that's just rude.
And that means that she's an NPC. She's programmed.
She's not quite a real person yet.
And you've just dodged a bullet.
Being rejected by somebody who's crazy is a compliment.
Do you feel me?
Yeah, 100% on that.
You're afraid of being rejected?
Okay, I understand that.
But if you're a quality guy who's thoughtful and sensitive, and you are a smart quality guy who's thoughtful and sensitive, and you ask a girl for her number, and she reacts with contempt and disgust, she's crazy.
And you should thank her for her time, and if she wants to do a little more chit-chat,
I guess you can do that, but you should come home and wipe the sweat from your armpits
at the bullet you have dodged.
Right?
Yeah, yeah.
That part makes 100%.
Well, the whole thing makes sense, but yes, 100% there.
Perfectly natural and healthy.
Now, a job interview, which is, you know, basically it's a job interview.
A job interview is two ways.
If you're desperate to get the job, you shouldn't be hired.
So when you ask a girl out, you are evaluating her response as well.
Because you should not be in the situation of, I'm desperate for any woman to go out with me, and any woman who rejects me is a catastrophic loss.
Because That is going to turn off any quality woman.
That desperation, right?
They call it pussy begging. I'm sure you've heard the phrase, right?
Yeah. So when you ask a woman out, you are evaluating her response.
So let's say she says, well, I'm currently seeing someone, but I'm always happy to have another friend and gives you her number.
Is she a quality woman?
No. Nope.
No, because she's either looking to cheat or she's looking for a guy to keep in beta orbit to fulfill her ego at his expense, right?
So she's a bit of a predator that way, right?
Yeah. So, then you say, oh, no, like, I'm actually, I'm sort of looking for a relationship, so if you already have a boyfriend, you know, good luck, but that's not what I'm doing, right?
I already have my friends.
I have friends, thank you. I don't generally, I mean, you know.
So, if she...
Reacts with like, no, I'm just here for a social evening.
Why can't I just have a social evening without guys hitting on me all the time, right?
Okay. So she's an angry, bitter person who is punching a man in the nets when he's in his most vulnerable position, which is asking her out, right?
She's a bad-tempered, nasty person.
Because we can always stand to be polite, right?
Even if she's in a really bad mood, She's got a headache.
She hates being at the club. She can muster the basic civility to say, look, I appreciate that, but I'm just not in a daily frame of mind right now, or whatever she's going to say, right?
But if she reacts with hostility, you've just dodged a bullet, right?
Like if you're in a job interview and they say they're offering $50,000 and you say, I'd be more comfortable with the 60, and the guy you're interviewing pounds his fist on the desk and says, how dare you ask for more money?
That is contemptible!
Do you want to work there? No.
That would be a... Thank you very much for your time.
Goodbye. Yeah. Fuck you very much for your time.
I'm going to take two coffees and go.
Right? Sure. Yeah.
Right? So you're interviewing her too.
Please don't be a beggar.
Please. I'm begging you.
I'm begging you. I'll be the beggar.
I'll beg you not to be a beggar.
You are evaluating her response because you're putting your heart, your finances, your children and everything into her hands.
You're giving her the entire power of this insane legal system we have in the West at the moment, especially the family court stuff.
You're putting all of that, your entire life is going into her hands.
Now, her entire life is going into your hands too, right?
So you're seeing how she deals with being asked out.
Does she have social skills?
Does she have empathy skills?
Does she have conversational skills?
Is she assertive without being unkind?
Is she gracious? Is she reasonable?
Because a woman who dresses up, goes to the club, chats with you for a while, doesn't mention a boyfriend, and then appears to be appalled and offended that you asked for her number, is crazy.
Now, again, you ask for her number, she can absolutely say, no, that's not crazy.
But that's just... Nuts.
I mean, that's like a guy at the gym coming in shirtless, throwing weights around and saying, how dare you look at me?
It's nuts. And they're free to be nuts and you're free to be relieved, right?
So you asking her out, I'm saying this to men as a whole, listen, ask the girl out.
If you like her, you think she's interesting, you think there's potential, ask her.
It's not illegal yet.
So do it while you can.
Ask her out. And then very closely watch her response.
Very closely watch her response.
You're evaluating her as well.
And she will respect that.
Because if you're a beggar, she's going to feel like crap for going out with you.
Do you know why? Because it wasn't really her.
Because it didn't really matter who she was as an individual.
Yeah, so, hey, listen, vagina, I'm just wondering if there's any possibility you might be open in the future.
When do you open? Anything?
Any keys I need to get into the store?
Anything. Right, no, it means you're having no free will in the matter and you're just...
You know, it's like the literal creeps at the dance place who just keep going and ask girls out.
And they ask 20 girls to dance, and all the girls say no, and the 21st girl, does she feel particularly special?
Nope. So, yeah, don't be a beggar.
If you don't feel like you have a lot to offer, don't ask the girl out.
Because you're just humiliating yourself, and you're humiliating her.
Now, I know I just said, ask the girl out.
But in order to be successful, okay, tell me...
What you have to offer a wife.
What do you have to offer a wife?
Well, I'm reasonably competent in the marketplace.
I do pretty well in terms of career.
I am, I think, pretty reasonable of a person.
I've been going through therapy, dealing with all of the stuff from my childhood, so getting my head back on straight.
And I guess I'm a loyal person.
I try to be a very honest person.
The, well, I don't know, this kind of opens up a can of worms a little bit, I guess, because like a lot of the dating, if the goal of dating and wife, marriage and everything is to have children, like I don't know if I can really have children, so there's kind of that as a potential problem.
Maybe that's also playing into the whole situation.
Sorry, what do you mean? Well, I guess it's not really that I can't reproduce.
I have a genetic disorder, and I don't know if it's moral or ethical, I guess, to have kids.
Well, does it need a matching pair?
I mean, you're here, right?
Yeah, I think it does.
Mine was a mutation, so there wasn't a matching pair, if that makes sense.
Mine was just a spontaneous mutation for myself.
Well, mutations don't reproduce that way unless there's strong selective pressure, which there isn't over tens of thousands of years.
Again, I'm sorry for being such an idiot about this.
I'm no expert, but isn't there a real regression to the mean there?
I am also not entirely sure about it.
My understanding was that There would be a chance of the gene being expressed, but it would be a certainty that the offspring would be a carrier for it.
I don't know if it was exactly a flip of the coin, but even if my direct offspring doesn't have it, potential children would also have the ability to express the gene, if that makes sense.
What is the percentage?
I don't know enough about that.
Is that knowledge that's not available or you just haven't pursued it?
It is knowledge that I have not pursued in earnest.
And do you know why?
You just you don't want to know?
I think it was more so that like I didn't.
Feel like the.
It's like I felt like I had a lot more important issues to sort out before I could reasonably like have children.
That makes sense? Like I had a lot of the child history and just with my own personality.
No, I get that. But if you're in the place of asking women out and you're in your 30s, I mean… I don't know what you're waiting for.
I mean, I understand it's not pleasant knowledge to have, perhaps, although it could be very good.
Maybe it's like a 5% chance.
Look, any kid can end up with a deformity, right?
I mean, there's just luck of the draw, right?
So any kid can end up with some sort of deformity or some sort of genetic issue.
And I'm not trying to minimize it because, I mean, it's obviously serious and important to you, and I'm not trying to tell you don't take it seriously, but you absolutely have to get the information.
The information might be better...
I mean, you know, 99 times out of 100, the anticipation is worse than the thing itself, right?
Yeah, 100%. And that's a good point.
I guess it was only really recently that I even felt like it was time that I could be asking a woman out, if that makes sense.
So it would be wise to pursue this knowledge in earnest now.
Yes, I think so. Okay, so, I mean, barring the genetic stuff, you have a lot to offer a woman, right?
Yeah, I would think so, yeah. And even the genetic stuff might not be that important, right?
And she also may have her own issues as far as that goes and so on, right?
So, okay, so you have a lot to offer a woman, so it's important for you to evaluate women.
A woman who doesn't sense that you're evaluating her is...
A quality woman who doesn't get the sense that you're evaluating her will not date you.
A woman who wants to exploit you, a woman to whom you're a vanity project, a woman who's desperately insecure herself and thus unstable.
Oh yeah, she'll date you.
But you need to evaluate.
Look, I've interviewed like a thousand people over the course of my life and I've hired like a hundred people.
I've never hired anyone who didn't ask me questions.
Do you have any questions to read?
No. Can I get the job?
Nope. No, because they're not assertive.
And having non-assertive employees is just about the worst thing ever.
Because if you give them an instruction that's not good...
For whatever reason, maybe you don't understand something or whatever, they'll just go and do it and they won't tell you.
Whereas an assertive employee, if you tell them to do something that's unproductive, what's he going to say?
Why? Or no?
Yeah, I say, listen, all due respect, I don't think that's a great idea and here's why.
Oh, no, no, and it's the same thing in relationships.
If you date somebody who's not assertive, then they'll be upset with you and it will just fester.
Or they'll bring up unrelated topics because they can't be direct.
Or they'll be passive-aggressive.
You just end up ensconced in this bloody fog of nowhere-ness.
And eventually you just get so frustrated and it's so claustrophobic that you just get out.
So if you need an assertive woman...
You know, my wife...
On her first date...
She said, I'm looking for a long-term stable relationship.
I'm not interested in a fling.
I'm not interested in anything short-term at all.
Respect. And I got that she only said that because she really liked me.
Because if she didn't like me, she wouldn't say that and she just wouldn't go out on more dates, right?
It was a great compliment.
But that's what you need.
You need somebody who's going to tell you what they think.
I mean it would be...
You can imagine a woman at the nightclub, at the comedy club, and she says,
Hey man, I can see it in your eyes.
You're dying to ask me out. What's going on?
Yeah, that would have been helpful Right. But it's not her job to be helpful.
Yeah, exactly. It's her job to evaluate you for reproductive fitness, and it's your job to evaluate her for reproductive fitness.
And now, reproductive fitness means not just...
Having healthy babies, but it means being a good parent.
Because if somebody is not assertive with you, they'll end up bullying children or being an absent parent, like a neglectful parent.
Because if you can't be assertive with your kids, then you end up yelling at them, or you end up unparenting them.
They go feral. They go wild.
So, you need to be in a situation of evaluation.
So you wanted to ask this woman out, and I think you should have, or you should in the future, but not from a place of desperation.
I find this conversation interesting.
I'd like to continue.
What do you think? I'd like to continue, maybe have a coffee sometime.
What do you think? And if she says, I'm enjoying the conversation too, I think that would be fine.
then you can ask for her number, right?
But if it's like, please give me your number, or I'm nothing, right?
That's, please give me your number and don't post me on TikTok that I'm a creep, right?
I mean, that's just not appealing, right?
Yeah, it's not the look.
No. And so, yeah, if you're that desperate, then I think working on your confidence is pretty important.
Because we think that we're so, you know, we think in our head, right?
We think in our head, I have all these secret thoughts.
I have all these secret thoughts.
That are just hidden to the world.
Now, that may be true among some of your male friends.
It's very rarely true.
Like, I live with two females, right?
How hard is it for me to hide my thinking from the two females in my environment?
It's impossible. It's impossible.
I don't even try.
I don't even try.
Women read us like a book.
I'm sorry? I was just going to ask if you could explain.
So because of the high stakes of female reproduction, women are trained to read men like books.
Their instincts are all for that.
Like, all of the stuff that you and I put into politics and economics and philosophy and abstract things, math and physics and science and all of that, hunting.
Like, all of the energy that we put into that, which is perfectly valid and healthy, women put into figuring out the thoughts of those around them.
You know, there's this, you know, like in Star Trek, The Next Generation, that Troy was in, the empaths.
The ship is literally shaking and on fire.
Captain, I'm sensing hostility.
It's like, yeah, good job, empath.
So women, she knows that you want to ask her out.
She knows that. The idea that you're hiding that is just funny.
No, yeah. I didn't think I was hiding it at all.
Right. So then she knows you want to ask her out and she knows you're failing at that.
So you might as well ask her out because she knows you want to ask her out anyway.
Do you see what I'm saying?
You're not hiding anything.
If you don't ask her out, you're like, well, I got away with that.
No, you didn't. Women read men like books.
And it's not because we're simple.
We're not. We're complicated. Women are complicated.
But because women are so vulnerable in the reproductive process, they have evolved to figure out the secret souls of men in about...
Three to five seconds, and I'm not kidding about that.
In about three to five seconds, the woman has evaluated your personality with an accuracy that would absolutely stun you.
A woman will scan you and learn more about you in five seconds than you know about yourself in 30 years.
Because she's looking from the outside, right?
You know, because it's like we're born into this giant, ever-shifting manor, and we're just trying to map it from the inside, but somebody can just glance at it from the outside and say, oh, that's the shape of the manor, right?
So you can't hide anything from women anyway.
You say, I want to not fail, and so I won't ask the woman out.
But she already knows you want to ask her out.
So you have no possibility of escaping failure except by asking her out.
Did you see what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
She knows! This guy wants to ask me out.
And you think, well, I'll avoid rejection, I'll avoid failure by not asking her out.
Nope. The failure thing has already manifested.
The moment you want to ask her out and you don't, failure has manifested.
And we think, well, you know, I dodged that bullet of failure by not asking her out.
Nope! No, you didn't.
You didn't dodge anything.
You simply took a potential success and turned it into...
Like, the failure is certain if you don't ask her out.
100%, you failed. Because she knows.
She knows. I mean, I had this bit years and years ago about...
You ever try to feed a squirrel in the wild?
You got some nice tasty bread or nuts and the squirrel is like really, really tentative, right?
So... A girl who's getting glances from a guy, she knows.
He wants to come over and ask her out.
Now, she can't go ask him out because she's got some self-respect.
And she's just like, she'll give him a little bit of a smile but not too much because she needs to make sure he's got courage.
And she knows, she absolutely knows.
He wants to ask her out.
It's like trying to feed a squirrel.
Come on, I'm not that scary.
Come on, you can do it. And the woman is so disappointed when the man doesn't ask her out.
It's actually kind of unpleasant for women in a very fundamental way.
So do you know what a lot of women say to themselves when a man, she knows the man wants to ask her out but he doesn't?
Do you know what they say? No.
I'm not attractive enough.
Oh. Like, once you've crossed over into that territory where you want to ask her out, you either give her a compliment or you give her an insult.
But you're so concerned with your own thoughts and feelings that you don't think how it's landing on the woman.
Because the woman wants to say, I'm so attractive that a man will overcome his anxieties and actually ask me out.
That's how attractive I am.
I'm worth taking the risk on.
I'm worth taking the chance on.
I'm worth being rejected because I'm that attractive.
And when a woman is around a man she knows wants to ask him out, he doesn't ask her out, she feels unattractive.
You're hurting her in a way.
And it's a very real...
When you're in the presence of a woman, you want to ask her out, you're either going to give her a compliment or an insult.
That's your only choices. The compliment is asking her out.
Whether she says yes or no is another matter.
The insult is not asking her out because she's just not worth taking the risk.
She's not worth it. She's just not attractive enough for you.
Or she is that attractive but you're so fear-based that you won't ask her out in which case she says, oh my god, I'm only attracting these really nervous guys.
That's not good. Sure.
So, give the respect to the women.
They're very smart. They know exactly what's going on.
And you either ask them or you don't.
And if you don't, at least be honest enough to say to the woman, I really want to ask you out.
You are very attractive to me.
I've really enjoyed this conversation.
But I'm kind of a fraidy cat about this stuff.
But that's honest, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah. But why would you want to withhold from a woman the glory of your existence?
I know this sounds kind of crazy.
But why would you want to withhold from a woman the joys of being your wife?
Honestly, if you can get to that mindset, it means that you will pick a quality woman over a merely physically attractive one.
Honestly, when I was younger, I literally thought, some woman is going to win the lottery with me.
And, I mean, I think events have borne it out.
I'm a great husband.
I'm a great dad.
Lots of things I'm not great at in this life, but, you know, fatherhood and being a husband, I'm great at.
And so... Who's going to be lucky enough to marry me?
That's, I mean, to me, that's the mindset to get to, if that makes sense.
Yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense, yeah.
Now, not arrogant, right?
Because arrogant is not attractive, right?
Right? Not, line up, ladies, let me choose you.
Not like Uber, Chad, Stud Muffin, Chick Magnet guy.
Because that's not attractive.
That's not appealing, right? You have to be attractive and appealing to be a catch, right?
But yeah! Who is going to be lucky enough to marry me?
And in the same vein, the woman has to feel like, I'm holding out for a hero.
I'm holding out for a champion. Who's going to be lucky enough to marry me?
Because it takes quality to see quality.
And the first, if you're a quality person, You have to have a very strong rejection mechanism because most people...
You know, can you imagine how many scripts Brad Pitt gets?
You know, I mean, there are literally hundreds of movie makers a year who want Brad Pitt in their projects.
So he's got to have a very big no mechanism.
How that science fiction crap gets through, I have no idea.
But, yeah, he has to have a very strong rejection mechanism.
That's his agent and all that, right?
So, yeah...
If you like the girl, do her a favor.
Ask her out. Accept it graciously if she says no.
But don't insult her by, in a sense, lying to her.
She knows you want to ask her out.
You know you want to ask her out.
You don't say anything. That's sad.
That's a real missed opportunity.
And even if the opportunity that's missed is just a compliment, hey, I really enjoyed this conversation.
You're very attractive. I'd like to do more.
I'm sorry I can't or I won't.
Hey, I appreciate that. At least the woman goes out saying, well, I'm attractive enough for a guy to ask me out.
That's nice. And she, you know, she could be the one.
I'm not saying this last one, right?
Because the one might make a joke about it.
She might... Hold up her phone and say, come on, big boy.
You want it. You know you want it.
Come on. You can do it.
Right? You want this number.
Yeah. Right?
Oh, what was it? There was some joke about a woman who would give her number out to a guy she liked, but only when it was seven digits, only four of the seven digits.
So if he really wanted her.
He'd have to call up to a thousand numbers to get it, or 999.
That's a test, right? Yeah, okay.
Yeah, that's really helpful. So yeah, those are my thoughts about dating.
Is there anything that, I mean, I know it's a big topic to cover, but Is there anything that's yearning burning in your brain that I've missed that you can think of?
Overall, no. I think that was really helpful.
The other half that was answered this was like, well, why do we have to be the ones that have to take the risk or whatever with the way that all...
Yeah, the woman's risk is built in by just being pregnant and having babies.
So her risk is baked into her biology and...
I mean, would you rather have to carry three babies for nine months at a time and give birth and have epidurals and have little babies chewing on your nipples for months and get up three times a night?
Would you rather have all of that pain, discomfort and agony or would you just like to ask a couple of girls out until you find the one to marry?
I think we've got by far the better deal as men.
Yeah, we certainly do. Putting it in terms of like, well, this is an initial test of the guy's wherewithal or courage or everything, that really clicked.
So, yeah, that was super helpful.
And overall, thank you for the thoughts.
It was very useful.
You're very welcome. And I feel this is a show that should stand alone, so let me just...
a couple of comments here.
Let's see. Where the hell was Steph when I was a youth?
Anna says, as a woman, I validate everything Steph is saying about what that woman at the comedy club could have been thinking.
Nigel says, what did he say?
Nigel must be the guy in the movie who's like, why is she leaving with him?
They're not even friends. I don't understand what's going on.
What is the package? What is the blue package all about?
I don't get it. It's like, please just watch the movie.
I only know as much as you do.
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