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July 13, 2019 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
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The Rise and Fall of Masculinity
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My parents were divorced two years ago, and in the process, I witnessed my father become a shadow of his former self.
Now, all around me, I see what appear to be broken men and emasculated young boys.
Anyone listening to your show should know the causes of this fall of man, the consequences of which are deep, personal, and far-reaching.
In this era, what can a youth like myself do to be a real man amid such hostility towards masculinity and animosity towards the traditional concept of manliness?
That's from Connor.
Oh, hey, Connor.
How you doing?
Hey, Steph.
I'm doing really well.
Tell me about what happened with your dad, if you don't mind.
I don't know.
I mean, people who haven't seen this kind of scenario probably could benefit from hearing about it.
So, um, Basically what happened, so I was gone at the time.
I'm a Mormon, so I was on a mission.
So I was gone for two years, and about halfway through, I didn't know that there were any problems with my parents' marriage.
I had no idea.
And then I got a phone call that they were separating, and that was a complete shocker for me.
I had no idea what was going on.
And when I got back, I, uh, I lived with my dad just cause I've always been a little bit closer to my dad.
I have always loved and had a good relationship with my mom.
Um, but I just have always been closer with my dad.
We just have personalities that mesh.
So, uh, when I got back home, I remember he, um, just the way he was just so depressed and he was so, he felt so awful about himself.
He, um, he, he very much blamed himself for what happened.
Um, that, that, uh, that they'd been separated.
He wasn't unfaithful or anything.
Um, it's, it's a bit complicated how it ended up happening, but in any case, so he, he felt a lot of blame.
And when I started digging into it, like to give you an idea of how, of how crippled he seemed compared to the strong man that I'd always known.
He, he told me that in the, uh, that he was going to go to court with, with my mom.
And he said, Because I feel so horrible.
I'm just going to go in as myself, naked essentially.
And I told him, Dad, wake up.
Get off your knees.
Get up, stand up, and stand up for yourself.
And I started to help him understand that while, yeah, he may have made a mistake, at the end of the day, it was my mom's decision to leave.
And I started learning more when he told me about the psychologist that they went to go see, that he and my mom went to go see before their marriage ended.
And he just told me basically stuff that the doctor had told him, that the psychologist had told him.
And my mom had been reading books that
Um, sorry, this might seem a little bit jumbled, but she was reading a lot of books around about the time that she left that, um, where, where the, it was talking about, uh, to give you an idea, like the titles were, um, uh, putting away the nice girl syndrome and all these like female horrific books about female empowerment and stuff like that, that are really just man, hating books.
And so she projected this image onto my dad of this horrible, abusive, evil monster.
And the psychologist that my parents were working with, he echoed the same thing.
My dad was telling me the stuff that he said and my dad believed it, that at his heart, my dad was this horrible, abusive person.
And there were things about his nature that just simply could not be changed.
And it made me really, really angry because my dad, is not a horrible, evil, abusive monster.
And he came to believe all that.
I don't think it was particularly healthy for me, but I essentially was his therapist in some ways.
I was his only outlet really to talk to when I got back home.
What else would you like to know?
Why did she divorce him?
Uh, so from, from what I, from what I understand, um, my, uh, my, my mother previous to them getting married, um, my mother had had a relationship with somebody from what I, from what I understand.
And my dad was, was always jealous of this relationship.
And so every so often he would, he would bring up, um, he would use it almost like a, like a tool, like almost as a, as a.
Did you understand what I'm saying?
Like he would use it as the tool to, um, to have influence.
Um, he'd make a fool of that about this prior relationship.
Yeah.
I think that's, yeah, it was not an, it was not an often thing.
Like the number of times that my parents had like arguments was few and far between.
Like I, there was never any yelling in my house.
I mean, um, When my dad was away from home and my mom was trying to get us to do stuff, there might be a little bit of yelling, but other than that, not really.
And if I'm being honest, I think my mom left because she caught the feminism bug.
Oh yeah, there's this whole world of authentic empowerment and liberty and freedom and you get to free yourself from the chains of marriage and the oppressive patriarch and blah, blah, blah, right?
Yeah, and I mean, I don't think that my mom understands all the minutiae of it, but I mean, like talking to... I mean, men are susceptible to superhero fantasies and women are susceptible to victim narratives.
It's just one of the basic differences.
Yeah, that makes sense.
I'm going to go to war and I'm going to win!
That's the man's sort of weakness for superhero, and it's like, I've been hard done by and my natural self has been prevented from expressing itself and I don't have a voice!
It's like, yeah, it's just, it's the two weaknesses of the genders.
Yeah, I suppose so.
I mean, it makes sense.
Fortunately, my dad did end up getting a lawyer, a really good one.
I think my mom was expecting, as it has happened in most, it seems, divorce cases.
I mean, if you think of any divorced couple, who do the kids always end up with?
It tends to be with the mom.
And I think my mother was expecting that my dad would roll over, and I'm glad I got home and talked to him before he did to that.
You could have been raised by a feminist.
Exactly.
It's insane.
Talking to my mom, it's been very difficult.
It's very confusing for me because I have always had a very good relationship with both of my parents.
I've always been closer to my dad just because I think personality-wise we're more similar.
But with my mom, I've always had a good relationship.
I could always talk to her.
And I think Because she was married she tended to have very similar opinions to my dad like politically and everything and I could I could talk to her about a lot of things that were that were controversial and And there wasn't really an issue like she would always say oh how interesting and stuff like that, but now It's quite the opposite.
She is A lot more closed to that sort of thing and I mean it makes sense because it makes sense that she would be close to those issues like feminism and stuff like that because it really is what is justifying her lifestyle at the moment.
Right.
What age range was your mom in when she got into this stuff?
When she got into the horrible books.
So my parents are both around 50 right now.
And it happened just about two years ago, a little more than, like three, oh wow, like three years ago.
Yeah, so there's another kind of pattern as well.
You know, everyone talks about the midlife crisis of men.
Everybody talks about the Midlife crisis of women.
The midlife crisis of women is very important.
When you lose your sexual market value, and for women it happens like literally overnight sometimes, there is a huge challenge.
Women get into politics, women get into feminism, women get into all kinds of stuff when their sexual market value declines.
And I have no problem with that at all.
I think it's great to get into various ideas.
Unfortunately though, It's like there's this massive swing from dominance to victimhood, right?
Because as I talked about with the young woman earlier, when women are young and in their prime, there's a huge amount of sexual market value power, and combined with the fact that democracy is not fair between the genders, because women outvote men, because women live longer than men.
Yeah.
And so women have greater needs from government because women can end up as single moms and women's health care is more expensive than men's health care.
And so women have greater needs from government and women outvote men.
You can't do anything about that.
I mean, within the context of the system as it stands.
Women are always going to outvote men.
There's really nothing you can do about it.
And so, for some reason, women go from power when they're young to victimhood when they get older.
But the victimhood gives them another kind of power.
You understand?
When they have sexual power, it's because they're being desired.
But when they end up with negative power, like that's kind of positive power, like the reward of sexual access and all that kind of stuff.
Sorry to talk about your mom this way but you know what I mean.
So that's kind of positive power where women are desired.
So then when a woman loses her sexual market value power, well she still wants power so how does she get it?
Well she gets it by being a victim.
She gets it by being a victim and then she allows, she gets to dominate people not by being sexually desirable but by being a victim who nags.
And who is angry and who is impatient and who is short-tempered and who's always right.
When you're young as a woman, nobody tells you that you're wrong because they all want to get in your pants.
I mean, of course, right?
You don't get heavily criticized as a woman when you're young because high sexual market value and so on.
So then when you get older, there's a sort of tipping point as a woman where men are going to start to shockingly start to tell you the truth because your sexual market value has vanished, right?
And so then how do you keep men from telling you the truth or people from telling you the truth?
Well you become a brittle angry feminista, right?
And you become a victim and then you nag people and you get angry.
Now still no one can tell you anything or correct you.
I don't know how to solve any of this.
I'm just sort of trying to describe it if that makes any sense.
Yeah, I understand.
The reason why it's so frustrating and confusing for me is that I hate to look at my mom in that way because it's never been like that traditionally, if you understand what I mean.
The thing that made me so frustrated with her about all of this is that...
She accuses my dad of being this horrible, evil, horrific monster.
And to me, I think, well, how did you not realize this before?
You were married to him for 25 years, so how did this not- False consciousness!
I didn't have this part of my brain, I mean leftists do this all the time, false consciousness.
Why is it that construction workers look at their boss with sympathy who has to stay all night dealing with invoices and angry suppliers and irate customers and taxes and they're like, whoa, I'm so glad we get to go home.
Why is it that the workers are so happy and would never want to be the boss?
Well, false consciousness, you see, it's not that it's a rational exchange of particular values and virtues and that there's costs and benefits to being both a worker and a boss.
They just say it's false consciousness.
That they are angry, they just don't know it.
And then what they do is to the leftist, what they do if they get a hold of these kinds of people is they say, well, we're now telling you the truth.
But what they're doing is creating resentment that wasn't there before.
And then they say, oh, the resentment always was there.
It just didn't come out till we told you the truth.
But the reality is That you no more had resentment than you have tranquilizer before somebody blows a blow dart into your neck, right?
It's like, well, I'm just liberating the tranquilizer that was there initially or originally.
It's like, no, you put this poison into my system.
And so, yeah, this is one of these self-fulfilling prophecies.
You know, the moment you know the truth, you're going to get really angry.
The truth is you're a victim.
The truth is there are assholes all around you.
The truth, right?
Then next thing you know you're angry.
It's like I see I told you the truth and now you're angry It's like nope you just stoked someone up.
That's not the same as telling the truth Yeah, I mean, and it's frustrating because I mean so I mean there really are only two options here either either my dad was in fact an abusive horrible monster and my mom is just Incredibly ignorant and stupid which she's not so that can't be it and Or I mean, I guess that there's a third option that my dad suddenly turned into a horrible, evil, abusive monster.
But I don't find that likely because I mean, in my experience since I've been home, my dad has only been a better person after this.
He's been incredibly humbled, that's for sure.
And I mean, so I mean, really the only two options are that either he was or he wasn't.
So I mean, That's what's really frustrating for me.
But I guess going back more to my question is that when I came home, he really was a shell and just a shadow of himself.
And I kind of started to notice more, especially listening to your show and listening to a lot of other people talk.
I mean, I've always kind of known this because growing up in the Mormon church, my seminary teacher He was always, he was a very conservative, right-wing libertarian, and he would show us, you know, well he'd explain to us like how males have been, how men have been ripped on for so long, like with just, you know, the Simpsons.
Homer Simpson is a retard, you know, essentially.
In every single, like you, the girls are always geniuses and the boys are always dumb.
Exactly.
Have you ever seen a show called Modern Family?
No, I haven't.
Well, so in it, there's a young boy, I guess he's not young anymore, he's a teenager now, maybe late teens, and there's a girl.
And the girl is played by an actress named Ariel Winter.
And she had it rough.
I think she's legally separated from her mother.
Not particularly smart, but she's portrayed as the genius.
in the show right now the boy is of course inevitably portrayed as an idiot right he's he's dumb now the reality is the boy is really really intelligent like the actual actor who plays him like superman so crazy high IQ really really smart straight A's and everything he touches right Yeah.
And, um, you know, Ariel Winter, I mean, she's, you know, I guess nice enough person, but she's sure showing a lot of skin on the internet kind of stuff, right?
So she's using her sexual market value.
So she's supposed to be the genius in the family and the boy has to be dumb.
But in reality, I'm not saying she's dumb, but the boy for sure, the actor is, uh, is a genius.
And this is just inevitable.
And it's part of the, Leftist plan, you know, stoke women full of ambition and genetically it's not likely to pan out because, as we've talked about before, at the very highest levels of IQ it's just a bit of a sausage fest.
It's just the way that nature has played things out.
If it's sexist, well, we can blame Mother Nature, who apparently is a female, for all this sexism.
But you always have to portray the women as geniuses.
And it's a funny thing, too, is that you say this thing in feminism where they say, well, the reason that there aren't more female engineers is they're not mentored enough.
You see, they don't get enough examples.
They need mentoring.
They need to see female engineers in order to realize that they can become female engineers.
It's like, how retarded is that?
Women, who would have so little respect?
Well, a woman can't possibly think she could be an engineer unless she saw a female engineer.
It's like, what?
Well, I mean, I mean, they really think like, I mean, you know, there's the whole idea that they're projecting their, their own, um, their own thoughts and their own belittling of women onto the earth.
That's all it is.
You have to portray women as so stupid that they can't possibly think they can be interviewed.
But the funny thing is they say, well, see, little girls, they need to see scientists so that they can imagine.
They need to be mentored.
They need female examples.
They need female mentors and so on, right?
And then you say, well, don't little boys, kids of single moms need male role models?
Don't they need fathers?
Oh, no.
I mean it's so one-sided.
If women need mentors, little girls need mentors in order to grow up and find young women and they need female examples and female mentoring, don't little boys need fathers?
Oh no!
That's different mystery-wise.
The self-unawareness of these people is really staggering.
No, it's not.
Their purpose is not self-awareness.
Their purpose is power.
Their purpose is propaganda and their purpose is the destruction of the attractiveness of Western women.
But sorry, go ahead.
What I'm saying is that I mean, coming from myself, I mean, I don't know how I generally perceive myself as a little bit more self aware than they are.
So I mean, it's hard.
It's hard to imagine being in a spot like that.
It's hard to imagine being, being, being so self unaware.
That's what that's what I'm saying.
Well then why is it that girls do so badly without fathers?
If girls only need female mentors and moms can be just as well.
I mean why is it that girls who grow up without fathers statistically do pretty terribly?
I mean women are not good at being the only parent.
I mean I don't know men.
I don't know if it's been studied that much.
I've heard some positive indications.
I haven't seen anything final.
But that's not the issue.
The issue is That women are bad at being single moms.
Women are bad at being parents if there's no husband around.
They're certainly bad at being providers for obvious reasons and they're bad at being parents.
Women and boys suffer from single moms but you can't talk about that because leftists need single moms so they can keep growing the state.
I mean they don't care about kids.
They don't care about the survival of the family.
They don't care about the survival of civilization.
Hell, they don't want it to survive in its current form.
They just want more and more power.
And like any drug dealer who wants to grow his empire, he can get more and more people addicted.
Fantastic.
And you can get on the left more and more people addicted to the state by smashing the family.
Damn, that family's got to go because power is the only star they guide their horrible ship by.
Yeah.
So yeah.
And I mean, going back to my question about being a man, it's frustrating for me too, because I mean, this culture has, I mean, You should know the Mormon Church is incredibly conservative.
Yeah, but they've had their social justice warriors in more recently too, haven't they?
We very much have.
The idea is not to reform the church, the idea is to destroy the church, and that's what it seems to be.
But I look up at a lot of people, a lot of the men in our church, and And, you know, about the boomer age and, and, uh, some of the older gen Xers and they'll get up onto the pulpit, like when it's, when they give a talk or, or whatever, and they'll say something to the effect of, of, or no, no, sorry.
The other way around, the women will get up and they will bear their test.
They'll bear their testimony or whatever.
They'll be up at the pulpit and they'll say something to the effect of, oh yeah, I raised five boys, my four children and my, and my husband and oh, the crowd laughs.
And, um, And men often say, like all the time, the older men in the church who are often very overweight and you know, they just, they just don't look like, like, I guess if you look back to old, I think, I think old propaganda is a good It's almost a good way to, I think it's a good thing to look at as far as like what, what manliness should look like in a way.
Um, cause if you look at like 1940s world war two propaganda, all the men you see are really muscular, really intelligent looking, um, you know, well-groomed and stuff like that.
Um, and, and the men I see today, I mean, they, they don't seem to take very good care of themselves and it doesn't seem like they held themselves really in that high of esteem either because they talk about themselves, like they talk about their, You know, things like she's my better half and stuff like that.
But but to the extent of like, but that's that's so pathetic.
I know.
I want to point this out.
It's like, men have the capacity, we have the capacity to laugh at ourselves, because we're not insecure, weak idiots.
Right, so yes, I can make fun of myself and all that, but you know, for women to make fun of women, you know, and it's like, when did women get to be so fragile?
I mean, one of the things that Alistair Tocqueville said about democracy in America, in the famous book Democracy in America, was he said that the foundation of the excellence of American society was in the strength and character and resilience of the women.
Women used to be beasts, they used to be monstrous, they used to be incredibly strong and incredibly able.
And they used to, you know, trust pigs and run farms and, you know, they used to just raise kids and strong educators and they used to be pillars of the community and founders of charities and they used to just have incredible influence in society and fantastic writers.
That's all they say.
Oh, you know, it's also sexist against women.
It's like not in the fiction world because women's language skills are equal to if not superior to men.
And therefore women dominate in many ways in the writing world and that's all of the unfairness that there is in the world, right?
And so women in the West, and they used to be incredible, they used to just be fantastic, they didn't used to be these like neurotic, insecure, aggressive, manipulative, you know, SSRI addicted, antidepressant chewing insomniacs of latent leftist feminist hostility.
This is not, this is like the new degraded Women, as you're talking about the new degraded men.
The sociopaths in society view everyone as mere tools to their power.
Like, if you want to go cut down a tree, you pick up an axe.
You don't think about the feelings of the axe.
You don't think about whether the axe wants to be part of this.
It's like, oh, that's my tool.
I've got to cut down the tree, and I've got to cut down civilization.
And if the relationship between the gender has to go, well, that's, you know, I don't care.
I'm going to cut down civilization.
I want power.
And I need to destabilize society in order to make people dependent upon my power and justify its expansion.
So we're literally just, we're livestock.
I've said this in the story of your enslavement.
I believe it even more strongly now than before.
We're just livestock.
The fact that women's happiness has gone down, every decade feminism has been implemented that women are more miserable now than they've been since women's happiness was measured.
They don't care.
That's kind of the point.
And so turning people into this, and most people are helpless to resist propaganda.
That's why propaganda works.
Most people rely on people like you and I to guard.
You know, I can't go in and get rid of the common cold virus with a fork in my body.
I rely on my antibodies.
It's not a conscious process for me.
I just go boys, do what you need to do.
And most people can't resist propaganda.
That's why propaganda is so effective and so tempting for people in power.
They rely on people like us to push back against it and make sure that these people are exposed.
But of course, as they're exposed, they're dangerous.
They're feral.
They're difficult and predatory.
And not us.
They're not us.
They're not part of us.
They're not part of civilization.
There was an old story about sociopaths in the Inuit, what used to be called the Eskimos, and they'd say, oh yeah, yeah, sometimes there's guys, they eat all the hunt, they pretend that they're sick, and then they try and bang your wives when you go off hunting and stuff like that.
It's like, well, yeah, we've never figured out a way to fix them.
We just pushed them off a glacier at one point.
Just get on with our day.
You can't do anything to fix this.
And yeah, the not us-ness of these kinds of people is really, really important to understand.
And as far as, you know, what do you do to be a real man?
Well, first of all, check your testosterone levels.
Testosterone levels, as I talked about recently with Faith Goldie, have gone down like 50% since the Second World War.
Going down like one percentage point a year for men.
Really?
Yeah.
Check your testosterone levels.
I mean, it's important.
It's kind of one of the things that makes you a man.
I don't know.
The reason for this is She thinks it's soy.
Other people talk to plastic bottles or the water supply.
Or it could be that as women become more masculine both as a result of being single moms and as a result of birth control pills giving them different hormones and so on and so forth.
So check your testosterone levels.
You can't will what is hormonally deficient in your soul.
And men are going to have to be, I'm sorry, you wanted to say something before I move on to the next point?
No, I was just going to say, well, I mean, just, I mean, I don't know about all the plastic bottle stuff.
And you know, I guess Alex Jones would be a good resource for that.
It doesn't really matter in a way.
I mean, just get your levels checked.
Sure.
And you know, look up and you know, well, I guess people will, of course, if it was a woman's issue, it'd be all over the place.
But because it's men, it's kind of disposable.
I was going to say earlier when you were talking about the strength of women, I don't know if you know anything about the Mormon Church, but the Mormon Pioneers, you read some stories about the women in those companies and it is staggering.
It's amazing the strength and the perseverance of those people, men and women alike, and the physical exertion that it took.
I guess we're fat and lazy and people go home and they watch TV, video games, whatever it is.
You talk about how when you write books, you do it.
I don't know if this is exactly how you do it, but I guess you use Dragon or whatever that software is and bike as you do it.
I mean that's great.
I couldn't know these days.
Okay.
Wow.
I'm dying to find some place where I can look up and I could hike and write a book.
That would be fantastic.
I mean, I can't sit down in a little notebook or whatever.
But yeah, no, I mean, you've got to keep moving.
I haven't sat down to write a book in probably 15 years or 12 years for sure.
I do the show standing, as everyone knows.
Sitting is the new smoking.
And the other thing, too, is that as smoking has declined, smoking is a way of enhancing testosterone as well, which is one of the reasons why I'm sure it is addictive for people.
But yeah, check your testosterone levels.
I'm no doctor, but I think that's a worthwhile thing to do if men are out there lacking motivation and so on.
But you know that the story is of course Jesus, right?
I think that's the relevant one.
Jesus was a man and Jesus sacrificed himself on the distrust of the world in order to save the soul of the planet, the souls of the planet.
And men have become very reasonable in the West, white men in particular, very reasonable and unfortunately it doesn't work.
You guys have had 150 years to save Western civilization with your nice books and speeches and blog posts and we're losing it hand over fist.
So it's time to stop being so nice.
It's time to stop.
It's time to pick up the tools of the enemy who've been winning and use it to fight back on their own terms.
And, of course, this is shocking and appalling to the people who apparently can't eat a cucumber unless the – a tiny, tiny cucumber sandwiches with any skin on the cucumber and they just eat all the – don't rattle my china, you know, all the people who are like, oh, I hope that the horse that's thundering by at Ascot doesn't get any mud on my plus fours.
Manhood is – you achieve the objectives.
Not even despite people's negative views of what you're doing, but sometimes even because, right?
But the new rights are willing to be in people's faces.
They're willing to use the tools that the leftists have used to win.
And they're willing to be difficult.
They're willing to, you know, sadly we all hope that reason and evidence are going to win the day.
And we're told that.
That society is founded on reason and evidence and it's sensible the way things work and people will listen to reason and evidence and so on.
But it turns out they just tell you that to propagandize you as children and when you grow up you realize that reason and evidence does sweet fuck all for the most part in society.
It's a nice little thing to think about and I hope that one day we'll have a society where reason and evidence hold sway.
But reason and evidence.
It does not hold sway.
Just look at the skeptic community and their views on race and IQ.
Denial!
Obfuscate!
And when they finally lose the debate, they say, well, but let's say that it's true.
What does it matter?
How does it help?
It's like, oh, come on.
Oh, come on.
Oh, come on.
Right.
Well, I mean, that's... I mean, what if the Christians had said, okay, sure, we accept the logical arguments there's no God, but how does it help?
And they'd say, well, it doesn't matter what helps, it matters what's true.
But now it's race and IQ.
Oh, it's got to be somehow mysteriously pragmatic and productive in a long way, in ways I can't understand.
It's just, it's ridiculous.
It's embarrassing to see people that staunchly in denial about such an essential issue and, and just bleating on about how, okay, well maybe it's true, but what does it matter?
It's like, who are you to say what the fucking truth matters or not?
You're not the arbiter of what's true and what value.
Anyway, go on.
Sir, you were saying?
Yeah.
I was just going to say, I mean, that is, that's what I encounter on any, any sort of Any sort of post on social media that I make is stating any of these viewpoints.
I mean, it's always met with first, I said hate before, because the first thing that everyone says is, oh, you just hate such and such group.
And what that does, and this is the influence of the feminine mindset, which is to translate facts into emotions.
I think that there's some sort of rebuttal.
Impugning emotional motives to what I'm saying is not an argument, but I guess it feels compelling to some people.
Sure.
I mean, I've sort of realized that, I mean, earlier on, back when I was in high school I started waking up to all this stuff after I came home from my mission.
When you're gone, you're not thinking about that.
You're thinking about God 24-7.
24/7.
When I got home, that's when I started waking up to it.
Before that, I would always try to be really civil and be really nice.
And if someone didn't see my way of view, my point of view, I would try to explain it to them logically.
And I still do that.
But now I've realized that there's really no hope for these leftists generally.
And so I've made it my point just to make them look like idiots.
It's become about branding now.
The left in general are losers, which is why they don't want fair rules, and it's why they want stuff for free, and it's why they use rage rather than reason, because they're losers, and they're low-quality people in general, and like all low-quality people, they want to cheat, they want to manipulate, they don't want an honest competition, and they don't like objective rules.
And the funny thing is, too, people saying, oh, you just hate people.
It's like, oh, yeah?
What about all the people who want white people dead?
What about all the people who say that white masculinity is toxic?
What about all the people who are talking about some hateful imaginary patriarchy?
I mean, that seems to me much more full of hate than anything I've ever heard from anyone not on the left.
But yeah, it is.
Oh, I've translated your argument into emotions.
Oh, man, that's not even a civilization that's worth defending.
Not that you could possibly defend it anyway.
Yeah, and what you were saying before, I mean, and so I, the nice thing about whenever I post anything is that the comfort, I guess, to me is that the silent majority is always on my side because, I mean, if anyone's looking at my post or if anyone's reading it, I mean, it takes no courage to stand up and defend leftist talking points because they're the norm.
And it's what we've been taught our whole lives.
And so I mean, I'll show them that no, I actually don't hate these people.
And even if I did, it wouldn't really matter.
No, it doesn't.
Saying you don't hate is accepting the parameters of the argument.
But no, I never say that.
My emotional state is not an argument.
You just hate so and so.
It's like, well, you apparently hate arguments.
And until you're willing to make one, I don't have anything to respond.
Like falling into the trap of, well, I don't hate those people.
It's like, oh, come on.
Well, I don't, what I should say is that I will, I'll make a comment saying, well, I mean, how have you deduced that, that I do hate people?
Like, whether or not I do, and it doesn't matter, and then I'll, you know, talk about other points, but it always, it's like what you said, it always devolves into, well, even if those stats are true, or even if what you said is true, what does it matter?
It's this kind of nihilistic... It matters, because if group differences are not white people, then blaming white people for them is a horrendous injustice.
If saying that blacks underperform because of white racism is false because of the racial IQ difference, then blaming white racism is a horribly unjust, racist, vicious act against white people.
It's like saying that white racism is why Chinese people are short.
I mean, that is horribly racist.
If racism is bad, which it is, Then blaming white people for something they're not responsible for is horribly, horribly racist and gets people killed.
And fucking people think that is not important to talk about.
What does it matter?
No, you're a coward.
I get it.
You don't want to talk about this shit.
It makes you uncomfortable.
So, you know, pick up your fucking skirt and go elsewhere.
Yeah.
Sorry, that's an insult to people who wear skirts, a lot of whom are a lot tougher than that.
But I get it.
You're chicken.
You're chicken.
I get it.
It's scary.
I get it.
You don't want to do it.
But don't then say it's unimportant to try and rescue your semblance of courage.
Jesus.
What if white people were blaming black people for things that weren't their fault?
Would that be unimportant and not worth talking about?
Good Lord.
Right.
So yeah, I mean, sorry guys, you're going to have to just stop being reasonable, stop being nice, stop making fun of yourself all the time and stop rolling over.
Unfortunately, we live in a world these days, partly as a result of multiculturalism and partly as a result of leftism, assholes get their way and nice guys finish last.
We have got back to that Darwinian Part of society that we spent hundreds of years, if not thousands of years, desperately trying to get away from, we're right back there now.
Squeaky wheels get the grease, difficult people get their way, and assholes get to rule.
And I'm sorry if you're going to be a nice guy, you're not only going to finish last, you're going to finish lost in history.
You're going to finish gone.
You're going to finish...
Extinct.
And so, no, you're going to have to, you know, I'm not talking violence or anything illegal, but you're going to just have to be difficult and you're going to have to be aggressive and you're going to have to be not so nice.
And that's going to result in some sacrifice, which is why I talked about the Jesus thing earlier.
That is going to require some sacrifice.
And there has become this hostility towards masculinity.
White males are the only thing that stand between the Marxists and their goal.
The leftists and their goal and of course all this endless hatred and invective is going to be poured against white males and so sorry you're just going to have to embrace your gender you're going to have to embrace your ethnicity and you're going to have to be proud of what you can bring to the world at least as proud as everyone else if you know so I would say that No one's coming to save you and you are in the only last permissible group to hate in the world.
And because people are very tense and a lot of people need someone to hate, you I'm afraid have become the targeted laser group of hatred for a variety of historical reasons that are not your fault at all.
It's horrible, it's unjust, it's wrong and being nice about it isn't going to solve it.
Well I think too it's difficult for For Christians and especially, well, I don't know about especially Mormons, but.
But in the church, I mean, it seems like there's this attitude that... It's all turn the other cheek.
I get it.
Right.
Well, I mean... It's all forgiveness and let's take the high ground and turn the other cheek.
It's emasculation because too many women have taken over the mindset and women are not good at patrolling the perimeters of the tribe as I've talked about before.
Women have wonderful strengths and abilities but recognizing external threats is not one of them for a variety of reasons I've talked about before.
But no, there's an eye for an eye stuff, which is a pretty important part of Christianity.
And this muscular, tough Christianity that really was the norm, the standard, in the 19th century, it's all become this unitarian, feel-good, nature-hugging bullshit.
And the world is a tough place, and if you don't stand up for yourself, you're going to get plowed under.
I was going to say that niceness has become, I mean it's not talked about doctrinally, but I mean it's become this supposed Christ-like virtue.
But I mean the more I've been thinking about it, niceness, like Christ was, from what we read, he was kind to those who were humble.
And he whipped the money changers.
Exactly.
If you ever want to know who the livestock are in society, there's one very simple test.
There's one very simple test to know who's enslaved, who are the livestock in society, who are the subjugated, who are the truly exploited, and it is the group that is not allowed to get angry.
And if you ever get angry and people are shocked and appalled and try and put you right back in the box, that tells you immediately, as sure as a brand on your chest, as surely as leg irons on your legs, that you are part of the livestock, that you are part of the subjugated and the exploited.
And if you're not allowed to get angry, that really is the very best reason to get angry that I can think of.
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
Yeah.
I mean, a black guy gets angry about his history?
Sure.
About the present.
People are like, yeah, well, listen to that.
Women get angry about it and people get angry, but oh, white males get angry.
Oh, okay.
Right.
I mean, this is, this is the ones, you know, there's the old saying, if you ever want to know who rules over you, look at who you're not allowed to criticize.
But if you ever want to know who the subjugated class is, look at who's not allowed to get angry.
So, okay, I'm going to close things off there.
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