Aug. 12, 2017 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
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3788 Charlottesville: Violence in the Streets | Faith Goldy and Stefan Molyneux
When people stop talking, inevitably, unfortunately and predictably violence escalates. Virginia Gov. Terry McAullife declared a state of emergency leading to riot police shutting down the “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. The violence escalated from there with many being pepper sprayed, hit with rocks, physically assaulted and most shockingly - an individual drove a vehicle into a crowd of counter-protesters, killing at least one person and leaving countless more injured. Car Mows Down Antifa, BLM in Charlottesville https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U8ZRUFx33kFaith Goldy is a journalist with TheRebel Media and the host of “On The Hunt With Faith Goldy.”Website: http://www.therebel.media/faithgoldyTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/faithgoldyPeriscope: http://www.periscope.tv/FaithGoldyYour support is essential to Freedomain Radio, which is 100% funded by viewers like you. Please support the show by making a one time donation or signing up for a monthly recurring donation at: http://www.freedomainradio.com/donate
Hi everybody, Stefan Molyneux with Faith Goldie, a journalist with The Rebel Media and the host of On The Hunt with Faith Goldie.
You may have seen her exciting videos today from the protests slash riots slash drive-overs.
The website is therebel.media forward slash faithgoldie, g-o-l-d-y, twitter.com slash faithgoldie, and the most excellent periscope.tv slash faithgoldie.
Faith, thank you so much for taking the time today.
It's good to be here. It's fun.
Okay, so we'll give a quick background for people who are not in the loop.
What has been going on for you today?
Yeah, absolutely. So originally what had happened was a bunch of leaders within the so-called alt-right were scheduled to basically stage a demonstration within Lee Park here.
There's been a lot of local controversy about a statue of General Lee that some vice mayor wanted to take down.
And it was kind of as, you know, white male consciousness is on the rise right now.
It was a symbolic gesture for them to meet there.
They had a permit to be there.
Then that was removed and they got a federal court order that, yes, indeed, they could march there.
They could hang out. Of course, they knew that at least thousands of Antifa were slated to show up based on their numbers.
So police were present right out of the gates.
It was supposed to take place at noon.
By noon, of course, riot police had already come onto the scene.
Richard Spencer had already been maced, I think, several times.
He was put promptly into a cab and shuttled off.
Basically what happened by about an hour after when the scheduled event was to take place, what happened was that you had police in full riot gear divvying up almost like everyone into mini protests.
And what was good about that was that by and large the groups were sort of segregated.
So you had, you know, the Patriots slash alt-righters slash white nationalists, like a whole hodgepodge on the right, being quarantined from the anti-BLM folks.
That went on for about probably two hours.
Riot police were making moves and there was a lot of I'd say high hostilities when the groups did meet.
I saw some BLM folks and just young black men throwing rocks at former veterans.
That's when I put on my helmet very quickly.
It was kind of little flare-ups.
And then all of a sudden what happened about two hours out was all these Antifa BLM folks, I guess now that all the alt-right had essentially vamooshed, they decided that they were going to take to the streets.
And what was so interesting, Stefan, is that all of a sudden all of the police who were in riot gear, there were, you know, like militarized armored vehicles out there.
Apparently the National Guard was called out.
You know, so all of these cops that were very present and were in all my periscopes, all my pictures and making moves towards even peaceful demonstrators, all of them were not to be seen.
Not a single person in uniform.
And these Antifa, BLM folks are, you know, doing all their usual KKK, Nazis, whatever...
And little slogans and chants and tropes.
And they're walking up a particular street.
And it was interesting because in my periscope, I was kind of immersed in the center of a whole bunch of them.
And one of my own situational awareness kind of go-tos is that when you're in the center, just get to the periphery.
And so I think I even mentioned that in my periscope.
I said, okay, I've got to get out to the periphery now because I feel like I'm too centered.
And then we turn a corner and we're going up a street of basically downtown Charlottesville, Virginia.
And I was in the process of flipping my camera because I had a few comments to camera.
I was in the process of flipping my camera and all of a sudden I hear like...
And I was like, are those drums?
Was my first thought. And then I was like, no, that's something else.
And within meters of where I was, you saw what was essentially a three-car pileup.
And keep in mind, and you can see the viz, there are a lot of people.
It's It's wall to wall on the street.
It is completely packed with people.
One gray, what I believe was a Dodge Charger, all of it's in my viz, rams into a middle car, which then, of course, rear ends the front car as well.
And bodies are flying.
I saw one girl clipped in between the two back cars.
Thank God. I saw her...
Probably about 10 minutes after the, I don't know what you call it, attack.
It doesn't feel right calling it a crash.
I saw her.
She seemed breathing. She seemed like she was responsive.
There was another girl who was caught and there was people bleeding everywhere.
I counted probably about 10, 12 people.
It was kind of difficult because some people were moving, some people were not.
Other people had less severe injuries.
But at least probably about 10 people, horizontal, on the ground.
And it took several minutes We're good to go.
And then all of a sudden there's a question of, well, whether or not this was intentional to take place, you got up and ran.
And I think there might be, at least from my vantage point, some charges of frankly attempted manslaughter.
That's just initially.
It has the look of something that was intentional just from the outside.
I mean, you've got tinted windows, you have a clear drive-in, and then you have leaving the scene of an accident.
And so it has a kind of feel of intentionality about it, which is not any kind of proof.
It's just kind of, to me, how it looked from the outside.
Mm-hmm. I don't know.
I can't speak to that, but I know that you leaving is intentional.
Like, at that point, you've processed what's happened, right?
I understand if your foot slipped.
I don't know what happened, but I imagine that the story is only going to become much more robust after we find out exactly who this perpetrator is and what their intentions were.
And alt-right love them or hate them.
But if this person identifies as alt-right, that's going to be a really bad, bad movement for the movement.
And so far as I don't know if you can you can recover from that or at least you'll have to be much more expressive about disavowing of this sort of violence.
But I got to say, like all of this was a horrific and disgusting incident.
But out of the gates, I mean, Richard Spencer, Jason Kessler, all these guys wanted to go and basically exercise the right to free speech, the right to freedom of assembly, peaceful protest.
what have you. And even in some of Spencer's Periscopes, you see these riot gear police come in and he's like, look guys, we have a permit.
We just want to be here lawfully.
We just want to, you know, basically exercise our constitutional rights here.
And instead what's happening is that they're being maced and shut down.
And it's this sort of... This sort of heckler's veto, this deplatforming that has become all too mainstream.
And what you see is, you know, the last battle for Berkeley was not a battle whatsoever.
When the right-wingers are able just to get together, and no matter how unsavory some people might find some of their comments, when they're just kind of hanging out and no anti-fire BLM show up, guess what?
It's actually rather peaceful.
Well, this is, you know, the idea that you're going to judge an entire movement by a few extremists is an old trick, and it does not seem to be evenly applied.
Like, nobody looks at the blacks who shot cops and says, well, that's all black activists.
Nobody looks at Muslim extremists and says, that's all Muslims.
I mean... This idea of segregating, in a sense, the extremists and not using them to tire the entire movement is something that is generally not applied.
But of course, when it's white identitarian politics, suddenly that double standard seems to rise.
And now we're going to judge the entire movement.
If it does turn out to be people associated with the movement or who follow the movement, you can't judge the movement by the extremists.
Right. And that's what I want to be very clear here.
In no way am I justifying or minimizing or rationalizing what occurred.
It was reprehensible.
And as I said, I'm of the opinion that it was attempted manslaughter.
And I hope that this person is charged and convicted to the full extent of the law and faces appropriate jail time.
And I pray to God that all of those people have full use of every part of their body that they did at the beginning of the day by the time that they are all treated properly.
But I also don't want the various subtexts and subplots here to be eclipsed by this one incident.
And that is that a legitimate group, which is to say these are people who are not calling for violence, These are people who are discussing ideas, okay, were deplatformed within a public space, even though they had federal permits saying that yes, and court orders saying yes, you can indeed move in there.
And then all of a sudden it's declared a national emergency and what have you.
At some point we have to start saying...
It's not the white supremacist KKK, but it's the Antifa and BLM guys who activated this entire violent streak that we saw today with their mace and throwing rocks.
It was completely reprehensible.
And I don't know at what point are people just going to wake up and say there's been a double standard that's enforced.
Why is it that these armed guards walked on the alt-right, but they were nowhere to be found when Antifa and BLM decided to take to the streets without permit?
Well, this is the thing, too. You mentioned this in the Periscope, which I really wanted to emphasize, Faith, which is that the alt-right group need all these permits, and we'll get into some of the difficulty they had going through to even get these permits, the fact that the ACLU and other groups had to get involved to end up with them getting the permits.
But the Antifa, the Black Lives Matter, they march without permits, and so even if you have the permit, you can be marched off, frog marched off, and if you don't have the permit, you're left alone.
This is not the rule of law.
No, it's absolutely not.
It's one standard for one group and a completely different standard for another.
And it's just so unfortunate because what happens is that now the entire mainstream media, of course, is going to run with this.
They are going to hang this person and label them as alt-right even before we find out who this person is.
We know how this is all going to feed into the mainstream media of these KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, etc., etc., when really they should be afforded at least the same rights as the peaceful BLM stuff that we've seen, right?
BLM, as far as I'm concerned, they're a black identitarian movement, right?
They talk about black rights and a lot of their language I find completely repugnant and reprehensible.
You know, this idea of reparations and white men get out of your house and give me everything that you've ever worked for, et cetera, et cetera.
I find it reprehensible, but they should be allowed to protest as they seem fit, so long as they don't become violent.
Why is it that white identitarian movements cannot do the same?
And I will tell you that, you know, if you spend any amount of time online whatsoever, you see that this has become, frankly, a young white man's struggle.
And they're sick and tired of decades of identity politics that appears to be egalitarian.
All races are equal, all cultures, all...
I hope I haven't lost you there.
All races, all religions are equal, except for you, white man.
Any bad thing that's happened, it's your fault, right?
And so they're becoming more and more upset about this.
And at the same time, they're being told that they have to shut up and we're going to have the National Guard shut down your demonstration.
Whereas, you know, your black brothers and sisters, so to speak, are free to mosey about as they see fit without going through the legal rigmarole that you do.
Well, it is an odd thing in that we know from studies that different ethnicities, different races, different religions tend to prefer the company of people who are like-minded, like-minded like themselves.
And I would never imagine going down to Chinatown and screaming...
Chinese supremacists at them, you know, like, I mean, this is okay.
They want to hang out with people who are like themselves.
I mean, that's fine. I just, it is one of these strange things where if there's any in-group preference among whites, it is automatically Nazi KKK racist.
But all other groups are allowed to organize with their own in-group preference, with their own religious or ethnic in-group preferences.
And everyone says, good for you.
Right, and what you point to is completely scientifically backed as well.
Like, let's not forget Putnam's study, where he was like a pro-diversity, multi-culti sort of guy who set out to say, multiculturalism is great, diversity is excellent, everyone can live together like a coexist poster, right?
And what he found was that the more homogenous a society was, the higher trust that existed within those societies, and the more diverse and multi-culti, well, guess what?
All of a sudden, you've got low-trust societies, and you've got some sort of, you know, not exactly comfortable living going on.
And so, The point of the matter is, it does not matter where the heck anyone stands on these issues.
We should be allowed to talk about them.
They are ideas.
There's science to back up certain ideas.
We should be allowed to freely discuss.
And the problem is, is that when you see the government in this police state basically...
Be acting like fascists, and I don't like using that word lightly, but they are.
They're shutting down political dissent.
They're shutting down wrong thing.
And they're only applying that measure to one group.
Well, guess what happens? You're going to have radicalization on that side.
And then that, in turn, is going to lead to more radicalization, right?
And this is...
I can't believe what I just witnessed today.
And I really, really think that this is the beginning.
And it's been going on for some time, but this is really the beginning of dark days for America when it comes to this We're good to go.
Well, if history is any gauge, either we resume the conversation using reason and evidence, or the violence is going to escalate.
Because this tactic, I mean, let's pause briefly on the amount of difficulty that this group had in getting the permit, right?
So they tried to get a permit from the city, and the city says no, and then they escalate it, and they find out, at least there seems to be a lot of evidence that the city decided not to give them the permit— So they got their wish anyway.
Yeah, absolutely. And again, you might find things reprehensible.
You know, during the Tiki nationalism little event that occurred yesterday at the university, there were some guys who were seen doing the Roman salute.
Look, I'm offended when I see someone walking around with a hammer and sickle on their shirt.
You know, it's a sign of greater murder than anything that Hiller ever did.
But you don't see me calling for them to, you know, be barred from the public space.
No, you look like an idiot.
You do your thing. And the court of public opinion will judge you.
But reason and the ability for proper speech, and proper speech, I mean the ability to work through ideas, has been completely removed from the young person's mind.
It has not been cultivated in our universities.
I saw one guy today, a young black man, going off on a veteran about, let me teach you about your history.
You want to teach me about history?
He's talking about gendered historiography in the middle of rocks.
I'm just thinking to myself, like, how brain-dead and brainwashed have these young people become?
And some people are waking up from it, but unfortunately, it's a really rude awakening, and if they're not able to talk about their revelations, and I worry that more radical, a hardlining, I want to say, a hardlining will occur.
Well, without a doubt, if the middle ground of civil discourse gets hollowed out, arms and aggression and escalation – I mean, I've been talking about this for years – we either have free speech or we have blood in the streets.
There is no other third way.
And as long as the government controls this amount of resources that get handed out – And remember and reinforce always,
if somebody's really wrong, let them speak and rebut.
Amen. And you know what?
The alt-right actually lobbed Ball over to their dissenters, which is to say, the evening before this set protest, they released something called the Charlottesville Statement, in which it was 20 points, and basically their...
Umbrella ideas on everything from race to the JQ to the economy, globalization, women and sex.
It was nature. It was actually rather robust, even though it was simple.
And if you're BLM, if you're Antifa, if you're one of these hippy-dippy churches...
Knock them down. Get their 20 points.
And you write your version.
You write your counter statements.
But they're not interested in that.
It's just so much easier to spray someone with a dog mace and have a conversation with what are, I think, well thought out ideas.
So go think in a different direction and prove them wrong.
Wow. So it has calmed down to a large degree.
I wonder if you could give people a sense of what it was like watching a periscope faith, seeing the people sort of harassing you and yelling, are you all right?
Are you just yelling and screaming at you?
What was it like to be in the midst of that kind of dark energy?
Well, honestly, I don't really mind it.
I find that I'm very calm in those kinds of situations, but that also could be just a place of naivety, to be honest, which is to say, like, oh, nothing's going to happen.
Everything's great. Next thing you know, people are being bulldozed by cars.
So in that case, I should not be.
I'm joking around. I did spray myself with holy water before.
I had this one unboxing video before I went to a battle for Berkeley, and I said, bring some holy water to baptize people with.
People thought I was joking. I actually sprayed some, and I credit Jesus Christ Almighty for keeping me safe today, but very seriously.
You know, it's so interesting because I had some conversations with some of these young men and women in seclusion, individually.
Just simple stuff like, oh, it's hot out today.
Do you mind if I sit here?
And they were totally civil and disarmed.
But all of a sudden you get into these packs and into these groups and they feel emboldened to pick on the one.
And I was a bit of an idiot being out here today by myself, and I know that.
But I found it to be much more helpful insofar as I thought that I actually received a lot less attacks because people didn't see me as being part of a roving group of alt-right, you know, white identitarians or what have you.
I was just kind of being there.
But what I found interesting was A complete disregard for the humanity among some of these leftists over here.
We know the left is so excellent at dehumanizing the right.
And there were people who had tripped media, who had tripped bloodied skulls.
We saw older veterans who had gotten rocks lodged at their bare heads.
And while the medics were tending to them, these young men were still hooting and hollering like absolute hooligans, shouting, oh, get out of my city.
You don't belong here.
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I'm just thinking to myself, like, who raised you?
I'm sorry to say, but who raised you?
You know what I mean?
How can you treat an old veteran like that?
And it was very revealing to me about the difference in, let's say, at least moral code of the two sides.
Whereas, you know, there were some people who were heavily armed out there today.
Civilians who were exercising their right to carry.
And no shots were fired, right?
No matter how badly, how bad things looked.
And so I saw so many things today, Stefan.
Cars that were trying to just peacefully exit parking lots, being lobbed with water bottles and rocks.
You know, young people.
And that's the thing. The majority of these people are young people who are participating.
And I think for me today...
When I looked at the Charlottesville agreement, it reminded me kind of of this mixture of Martin Luther's, you know, 99 theses and the tennis court oath of the French Revolution of no matter what, these are the things that we're going to stand up for and this is what we stand up for.
And I think that part of the reason why it was so important for me to be here today is because the alt-right is rising.
And if you do not see that You are asleep at the wheel.
The difference between one demonstration to the other to the other, you'd be an idiot if you don't see their numbers.
You'd be an idiot if you do not see the philosophical consistency that is being espoused not just from their spearheads, but from many of the laity, so to speak.
It's becoming more organized and a much more serious force.
And I think that we will be looking at, within the next couple of years, basically being formalized in a more official political way where we'll see candidates running under these sorts of ideals and visions.
And if people don't start waking up to it and stop just with this business of, oh, they're just neo-Nazis, who's going to take them seriously?
What a fringe. They're going to be up for a really rude awakening down the road.
Well, and days like today, Faith, I mean, you could not set up a more effective recruiting set of videos and images for people to say, well, wait a minute, so some white people wanted to get together and talk about white issues, and this is how it plays out?
I thought we could do that. I thought we had a First Amendment.
And now that you find out that it's a lot more difficult to do than you think it is, I think people are going to start to wake up out of a complacency that I think has lasted a long time.
Well, and this is something that you hear folks on the alt-right talk about all the time.
Jerry Taylor at American Renaissance and some of their clips that he posted, he said BLM was the most effective recruiter for the alt-right.
I'm sure that you're, being a fellow Canuck as myself, you saw the CBC's white genocide video where they celebrated things like beige power, and it's the left's Thank you.
Thank you. Well, of course, when non-whites are angry about something, people say, well, let's sit down and hear out their grievances.
I'm sure they've got some important things to say.
But when white people get angry, they're just racist KKK Nazis.
And it's like, that is not going to work.
If we're going to have this multicultural society, we all have to listen to each other.
And if there's one group that's shut out and locked up and pepper sprayed and marginalized and attacked...
That group is going to escalate things and that's not where we want to go.
So thanks, Faith, so much.
I really appreciate your courage in being out there.
It makes me feel like a little over safe up here in the studio, but I really appreciate it.
I'll thank you all one time, Stefan.
Thank you so much, Faith, and please stay safe out there.
