June 18, 2017 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
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3719 Protesters Disrupt Trump Assassination Play! | Laura Loomer and Stefan Molyneux
On Friday June 16th, Journalists Laura Loomer and Jack Posobiec protested “Julius Caesar” by New York's Shakespeare in the Park which features the nightly mock assassination of President Donald Trump. Loomer was arrested for interrupting the leftist assassination pornography and charged with trespassing and disorderly conduct. After years and years of passively “taking the high road” and losing - what happens when the right starts using the lefts own tactics against them?Laura Loomer is an investigative journalist for TheRebel Media, who began her journalism career working undercover for Project Veritas from 2015-2017, uncovering corruption within the Hillary Clinton campaign, flaws and loopholes within the U.S. immigration system, and widespread voter fraud throughout the U.S.The Rebel Media: http://www.therebel.media/laura_loomerTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/LauraLoomerLegal Defense Fund: http://www.freelaura.comYour support is essential to Freedomain Radio, which is 100% funded by viewers like you. Please support the show by making a one time donation or signing up for a monthly recurring donation at: http://www.freedomainradio.com/donate
Hi everybody, Stan Molyneux from Free Domain Radio.
I'm going to chat today with Laura Loomer.
She is an investigative journalist for the Rebel Media.
She began her journalism career working undercover for Project Veritas.
From 2015 to 2017, she uncovered corruption within the Hillary Clinton campaign, flaws and loopholes within the U.S. immigration system and widespread voter fraud throughout the U.S., She went last night to a play,
Shakespeare's Julius Caesar, that was going on in New York City, where night after night, the ritualistic assassination, complete with blood and choking to death on your own inner stabbings and violence against a clearly delineated Donald Trump character, was being performed.
And she interrupted it and condemned the political violence inherent to In the play and its message and was subsequently arrested.
So we're talking with her today.
You can check out her website at therebel.media.com.
You can follow her on twitter.com.
And please, please check out her legal defense fund, which she will need in the coming days, weeks, and months at freelora.com.
So, Laura, I hear you went to the theater last night, and it sort of reminds me of that old joke regarding the Lincoln assassination.
Other than that, Mrs.
Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?
So you sat through this New York production of Julius Caesar, Shakespeare's Julius Caesar, and I wonder if you could help explain to people what you saw, what kind of mood there was, and why it was so upsetting.
Yeah, well, I didn't end up sitting through the entire play because the scene where they end up stabbing the Donald Trump character, which is Julius Caesar, was before the end of the play, of course.
But up until that part, basically, there was a glorification of Antifa organizations, Black Lives Matter, just protest groups they were making.
This is what democracy looks like, chants.
And really just celebrating leftist political resistance groups, kind of like what we saw during the campaign.
And then there was a lot of violent talk with props, knife props, in which they were talking about how they wanted to stab Julius Caesar and cut his limbs off.
Of course, basically saying they want to stab Donald Trump.
And then the part when I jumped up on stage is when they did stab Julius Caesar, which is a Donald Trump impersonator, essentially.
And this is not a subtle characterization of...
I mean, this is a guy in a business suit and his wife speaks with an Eastern European accent and they've really made it about as clear as they can possibly make it who the Julius Caesar character is supposed to be, right?
Yeah, and then in the beginning of the play too, this is how you know that it's about Donald Trump.
They said, oh, we only changed one line in the entire production and you'll know what that line is.
And they didn't tell you, but you had to wait for it.
And the line was...
Oh, Julius Caesar could stab somebody on Fifth Avenue and nobody would care.
And of course, that reference to the comment that was made during the campaign in which someone said Donald Trump could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and people would still vote for him.
So they're clearly talking about Donald Trump.
They're clearly trying to align this play and align the character of Julius Caesar with Donald Trump.
And so by doing that, when you have characters who are stabbing that character, you're projecting violence onto the A character that's supposed to represent the President of the United States.
Some Shakespearean murders, they occur offstage.
I'm thinking of the death of King Duncan and Macbeth and so on.
They're offstage murders.
This one is like visceral.
It's up front.
It's very bloody.
It is really kind of assassination orgy porn or something from what I've seen.
Now, you were there up close.
I mean, how graphic is this thing supposed to be?
It's extremely graphic.
Not even just in terms of blood, but there's a scene where the Donald Trump character is fully naked, too, and you saw his penis and everything.
I mean, I wasn't expecting that.
Not that I really care about nudity, but they definitely don't go through any effort to warn the audience about the graphic nature of the play.
It looks like real blood, and it looks like a gang stabbing.
They have all of these characters, which is very strange.
Everybody who was stabbing Donald Trump Was a black man.
So I don't know what kind of message they were trying to send, whether like it was a minority resistance against Donald Trump, but all of the characters who were participating in the stabbing of the Donald Trump character were African American males.
So you just blood rushing out everywhere.
And it's a guy like struggling to get up and they, they throw him over the desk and they're beating him.
And it's disgusting because all you can think about is, oh, my God, they're they're trying to make you think about Donald Trump.
And I was just picturing Donald Trump possibly being assassinated by somebody and tackled to the ground and just butchered with a knife.
It was just honestly it made my stomach turn.
They've got left versus right.
They've got rich versus poor.
And I guess they're pouring incendiary elements of racial warfare in there as well.
It's hard to think of a single line of decency and artistry that they haven't crossed or downright violated.
Yeah, I mean, really, it's just a bastardization of of Shakespeare.
And there's nothing artistic about it, in my opinion.
I think that really they're making a stretch between artistic expression and a flirtation with a planned assassination attempt against the president.
And it's funny because, of course, the left claims free speech and artistic expression and so on.
I was just thinking about whether these fine, brave actors and directors would be comfortable doing this, say, in Turkey with the Erdogan or in Saudi Arabia with the royal family or in other places where this delightful freedom of expression would land them in some serious trouble.
Well, and I couldn't help but think to myself, wow, like they're wielding knives and they're trying to stab a leader.
You know, the democracy, what does this remind me of?
Oh yeah, ISIS. ISIS uses knives to kill people over political differences, over ideological differences.
And what did you have on stage right behind the set when you first walk in?
They had a picture of a woman wearing the American flag hijab, that same poster that was the symbol of the Women's March when Linda Sarsour was The keynote speaker.
So they're not even trying to hide the fact that they're aligning themselves with Islam.
And you see this, it's really troubling today because the left and Islam, there's almost no, you can't really distinguish them anymore.
They've morphed together and they're one and they're using the same violent tactics and they're just, they're sharing tactics.
You see ISIS, they cover their faces.
They use political violence to kill people who disagree with them.
What do they do?
They cover their faces, they dress in black, and they threaten to kill people who disagree with them.
So it's really alarming.
You just see a lot of virtue signaling, but it's violent virtue signaling, I would say.
And, you know, Shakespeare once said that violent delights have violent ends.
So if you are going to come to Shakespeare in the Park, and you're going to delight in this theater, or You're delighting in Julius Caesar, which they have made into a violent play that portrays the assassination of Donald Trump.
So if you're delighting in that, it's going to have a violent end.
And I couldn't help but think to myself, wow, this has been happening in the week before this guy in Virginia decided to go shoot up.
There may not be evidence right now that suggests that he saw Julius Caesar, but I bet you that people are being desensitized by the violence in this play by Kathy Griffin, by members of the mainstream left media who refuse to condemn violence, and they're starting to get ideas, and they're starting to think that it's okay to kill or threaten the lives of Republican representatives and our president because it's a joke, and there's nothing funny about it.
I'm a hardcore Republican, but I would never laugh at or We can imagine if the play was set in Harlem and a bunch of white guys were killing or stringing up Obama, or if there was a bunch of white males who were killing Hillary Clinton, ritualistically in his blood sacrifice night after night, the left would go mental, claiming that this was an instigation to violence.
Yeah, or if you did something like the Salem Witch Trials and you had Hillary Clinton at the stake, people would freak out if you had a character that was just like Hillary Clinton.
It's very similar.
If you flip it on the left, they wouldn't be tolerant of it either, and they would freak out.
Ever since Donald Trump has become president, there's been a normalization of political violence.
And I think I saw you share this on Twitter the other day, but in case people listening don't know, there have been over 12,000 direct threats, like assassination threats, on Donald Trump's life made on Twitter since he's been elected.
I haven't heard 12,000 separate news stories every single day from the Secret Service or the mainstream media talking about how somebody threatened the life of Trump.
I would ask you, I mean, don't you think that's extremely alarming that people in the masses are expressing their desire to kill our president on social media without fear of consequence?
It is.
And it, again, speaks to two different rules.
I mean, you end up getting arrested.
And how many times have the people who've made direct death threats, not just against President Trump, but against other conservatives, how many times have they been pursued by the police?
How many times have they been arrested?
How many times are they going to face legal consequences?
It's this giant split in society, but there's one rule for people who aren't on the left and almost no rules for people who are on the left.
And that, to me, is a very troubling development.
Because it's giving carte blanche.
It's giving a license to political violence to a certain group of people who seem particularly inclined that way.
Yeah, it's literally a license to kill, and I completely agree with you.
And what's more troubling to me is if you watch the video, I know that people are mostly watching Jack's video.
I Periscope, too, but the other version wasn't posted until I was released from jail because my phone was taken when I was detained.
So the...
Version I have, you see people booing when I'm telling them to condemn violence.
So here you have it in New York, liberals are more concerned and upset with their play, their uppity play getting interrupted than they are about a possible assassination attempt on Donald Trump.
I mean, where are people's priorities?
This is the part that I find just so astonishing.
And I'm sort of, I try to think I'm somewhat inured to the hypocrisy of the left, but here it goes to me way even further than I imagined.
Because, you know, my whole life growing up, you know, patriarchy is violence.
Cultural appropriation is violence.
There are microaggressions.
If a woman regrets sex, that can be problematic.
If a man spreads his legs on the subway, that's a micro, like this genuine concern, or I think hysterical concern sometimes with these microaggressions, but then at the same time, when leftists shut down non-leftist speakers with threats of violence, when there are inaugural balls that are threatened with terrorist attacks, when there when there are inaugural balls that are threatened with terrorist attacks, when there is rock throwing, when there is trashing of entire neighborhoods, rather than recognizing that as a much
a macroaggression relative to the microaggression, all the left who's so concerned with all these microaggressions almost seems to cheer this stuff a lot of times.
Yeah, I mean, they are cheering it.
They were cheering.
You could see in the play when people were, you know, making nasty comments about Trump or when they were wielding their knives, people were cheering.
And, you know, I had to be discreet, of course.
I wish I could have livestreamed that entire play so that people could have seen just for themselves how disgusting and vile it really is.
But, you know, they were looking at people filming and I needed to make sure that I could actually, you know, capture what I needed to capture on camera as well.
So...
But the scene in which I did storm the stage is the scene where the character who is supposed to be Donald Trump is laying on the ground and he's gasping for air after having been stabbed numerous times.
Right.
Now...
When it comes to your thought processes leading up to this, because this has, as you I'm sure are fully aware, this has created quite a schism within, I don't want to say the conservative movement, but the movement that is concerned about fighting back against escalating leftist rhetoric and direct violence.
And there are those who say, well, we don't want to descend to their level or don't want to use their tactics.
And other people are like, well, Let's do what wins.
You know, they have used these tactics and, you know, what you have done is nothing even close to the level of violence that has been done to the left.
You didn't do anything violent at all.
And so what was your thought process leading up to this?
I mean, you knew it was going to be controversial.
You knew it would potentially result in some legal trouble.
But there is an understanding that you have about the backdrop for these issues and what needs to be done that I'd really like the listeners to this show to understand.
We're in a culture war, okay?
So, you know, you have division within the conservative movement, but most of the people who are criticizing me, like David French and Ben Shapiro, they have not admitted that we are in a culture war right now.
And in order to win the culture war, you have to develop new tactics to fight back.
I'm not talking about violent tactics.
I'm talking about playing by the rulebook that your enemy or your opposition plays by.
Alinsky tactics, right?
So, I would say that when I was...
When I was engaging in this act, if that's what you want to call it, I was thinking about rule number four.
Saul Alinsky's rule number four, which is make the enemy play by their own rules.
Right.
And certainly leftist disruptions have been occurring regularly.
I mean, I looked up a few in preparation for talking with you.
And of course, Black Lives Matter have interrupted a symphony.
There have been, of course, endless blockades of roads.
There have been blockades of streets.
And there have been, of course, direct interruptions, you know, pulling the fire alarms, things much more intrusive than what you did.
The play could continue after what you did.
But with a lot of the ways that they interrupt the sprinkler systems and so on, the way that they interrupt...
Conservative speakers means that the entire speech gets cancelled and then it becomes much harder to get new speakers on.
So what you have done is mild, very, very mild relative to what the left has cheered and justified over the past couple of years.
Exactly.
And so when people are criticizing me, like Ben Shapiro, for example, was saying that, oh, now the alt-right has their own social justice warrior snowflakes.
This isn't any different from when Black Lives Matter tries to shut down events.
And yeah, actually it is because I wasn't violent.
The people on the right, they express themselves through free speech, right?
And the people on the left, they express themselves with violence.
And if you take on part of their act, right, so crashing events and giving them a taste of their own medicine and what they do to us without the violence, there's nothing wrong with that.
You know, you can adapt the tactics so that they're nonviolent.
And I'm by no means encouraging people to, you know, fight back or use violence leftist tactics, but just throw their technique back in their face.
Use the identity politics against them.
Right.
There's an old saying, which is that the left interprets free speech as violence if it's coming from conservatives, but it interprets violence as free speech if it's coming from the left.
Yeah, exactly.
And you saw that last night if you watched the video.
All I said was, this is a normalization of political violence against the right.
Shame on you.
We need to condemn violence against Donald Trump.
You're inciting violence against Donald Trump.
That is 100% true.
Nothing I said was anything that could be argued.
If you look at Julius Caesar, it is violent.
Bank of America pulled out.
Delta pulled out.
And in their statements, they said it was because of the political violence, because it was so disgusting and it portrayed an assassination of Donald Trump.
And then these people, they didn't want to listen.
They just booed me off the stage because they would much rather engage in their assassination porn than condemn political violence.
It's just not a part of their narrative.
They get off.
They honestly get off on watching a Donald Trump-like character drown in his own puddle of blood on the floor and choke with knives in his chest.
It's disgusting.
They enjoy it.
Of course, when leftist protesters are arrested, the left is, oh, censorship and no free speech, but of course they're cheering.
When peaceful protesters who aren't on the left are interrupting their, you know, blood-soaked, as you say, assassination, porn, fantasy, juror-croft session.
And this kind of hypocrisy, I think, really needs to be floated up to the mainstream in America, who I don't think are really aware of what's going on in, I guess, what I laughably call the cultural centers of America.
Yeah.
No, I agree.
A lot of people don't know what's going on.
A lot of people don't watch the news, so they're not aware of what's happening or how controversial this play really is.
But at a theater near you, I can guarantee you that some lefty organization is glorifying the assassination of Donald Trump or violence against Donald Trump.
You don't have to look very far to find Some type of resistance movement in your town that is refusing to condemn violence against the right.
By resistance, they're not talking about, we're going to write more succinct and well-argued and reasoned essays.
I mean, by resist, they're usually talking about some sort of escalation, even to the level of physical force or aggressive disruptions.
My disruption, if you want to call it that, was not aggressive at all.
I did not resist.
When I was asked to leave, I left.
And I ended up being arrested for what?
For trying to stand up for the president?
For explaining to people that I don't want to wake up one day and find out that Donald Trump has been assassinated by some liberal who was indoctrinated by assassination porn?
Like, no, I don't want to do that.
I don't want this country to have a civil war.
And that's exactly where we're headed right now.
We are headed towards a civil war.
The race war is pretty, you know, under Obama's administration.
Some would already say that we had a race war under Obama.
But tensions are really high right now, and people are not doing enough to condemn this violence.
The guy who shot the House Majority Whip in Virginia, he was a fan of MSNBC, a fan of Rachel Maddow.
If you go on Rachel Maddow's Twitter, guess who she follows?
She follows the New York City Public Theater.
So she is obviously a fan or a supporter of the New York City Public Theater and the work that they produce.
Where has Rachel Maddow ever spoken out against Julius Caesar?
So if this shooter is watching Rachel Maddow, for example, and she's refusing to condemn something that she is delighting in, going back to what Shakespeare said about violent delights have violent ends, Well, the violent end is going to be her viewer slaughtering people or attempting to assassinate Republican officials.
Yeah, no, and I saw her downplay that connection.
I mean, Donald Trump has to disavow David Duke, who he barely knows like dozens of times, but when there's a direct connection between the shooter and heavily escalating, propagandizing leftist rhetoric somehow, well, he's just a random act of violence, I think the left knows better.
They know that if they continue to pour this hatred, this violence into the air, you know, there are crazy antennae out there that are going to pick it up and act it out.
And I would also say right after somebody who was, as you say, Twitter twice removed from the theater company putting on this play, goes out and shoots up a bunch of Republicans, that continuing this ritualistic slaughter of Donald Trump in a publicly funded theater might not be the most sensitive way to approach the recent shootings and their aftermath. that continuing this ritualistic slaughter of Donald Trump in a Yeah, and I honestly don't appreciate like my tax dollars and other people's tax dollars going to this play either.
You can get a tax deductible, your donation is tax deductible if you make a large contribution to the theater, and that's what they're doing.
They're using tax deductible donations to fund assassination attempts or glorified assassination attempts against President Trump.
There is something seriously wrong with that, and if people aren't willing to condemn that, And admit that there's a serious problem with that, then I don't know.
I mean, CNN reached out to me today and they asked to interview me and I said, absolutely not.
When CNN decides to revoke their funding from Julius Caesar with their parent company, Time Warner, then maybe I'll give you an interview.
But I don't elevate fake news, I create the news.
You know, so I have no business doing any interviews or talking with any Members of the press who refuse to condemn political violence against the right.
And this ship has, to me, sailed for the mainstream media who has not stood up strongly to condemn the escalating leftist violence over the past couple of years.
I mean, I had to speak in Detroit under threat of a bomb threat from crazy extremists.
And it is a big challenge.
And as you point out, publicly funded It's the public theater.
I mean, there is, of course, corporate donations, but those are tax-deductible.
But we're talking tens of millions of dollars.
I think if I read rightly, it was $30 million since 2008 of money.
Government money has been sunk into either this theater company directly or in the facilities that they use.
It is a huge amount of money.
And then we have an outright commie director directing for...
The overturning or showing repeatedly night after night the violent overthrowing of a democratically elected representative of the American people.
It is truly astonishing to be forced to fund the propaganda that aims to undo the society that you love.
It's one of these weird postmodern things that's happened in the modern world.
Yeah, it is.
And people just really need to be aware of who's funding it, too.
It's the left Mainstream media.
The New York Times is funding it.
They have refused to condemn the violence.
CNN, it's Time Warner.
The parent company Time Warner Cable and CNN are funding this play.
And when I asked the CNN reporter to make a comment to me, I said, why hasn't CNN or Time Warner decided to revoke their funding of this play?
Do you guys support political violence and the assassination of Trump?
He ignored my message.
He wouldn't respond to me.
So, you know, we really need to hold the media accountable.
Tomorrow is the last showing of Julius Caesar, but, you know, there's still outrage and there's still blood on the cast of Julius Caesar's, on the hands of the Julius Caesar cast.
In my opinion, they are responsible.
Kathy Griffin is responsible.
CNN is responsible.
The New York Times is responsible.
Everybody who sponsored this play I think?
So let's give you the final word in this internal battle of the non-leftists or the conservatives on tactics going forward.
I mean, I'm older than you and for decades, you know, we've seen government grow.
We've seen academia be co-opted by the left.
We've even seen the Democratic Party being co-opted by more extreme leftists.
You know, the argument that the Democrats died in the 60s and have been replaced by increasingly lefty lunatics ever since, Academia, Hollywood, TV, books, publishing.
I mean, it's all been lost to the left.
And there are people who still want to continue the same tactics that have resulted in these catastrophic losses.
And turning this around becomes harder and harder every single year.
And if you have a different approach or a different way to try and turn this thing around, I really want to give you a good platform, as big a platform as I can, to make that case for conservatives who are on the fence about moving forward.
You just have to take action.
It's really great to tweet things out and to write things, but you have to make sacrifices.
And yesterday I made a sacrifice.
I was up on stage for, what, 45 seconds?
And, you know, it had a huge impact.
It really caused, it forced the mainstream media to talk about political violence.
I haven't seen them talk about left-wing political violence in a really long time.
And I would say that if you really want change and you...
Really want to take on the left, you know, adopt their tactics, like I said, play by their rulebook.
Don't be violent, of course, but flip the rules on them, because that's how you're going to win this culture war, is by throwing it back in their face.
Well said, well said.
Well, I really appreciate you taking the time today.
I look forward to seeing how this plays out, and thanks so much for taking the time to chat today, Lauren.
Yeah, thank you so much for having me.
And I would just like to say, I came, I saw, and I conquered.
