Sept. 17, 2015 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
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3078 Donald Trump vs. The GOP | Republican Presidential Debate Analysis!
In the political version of the Hunger Games, Donald Trump, Ben Carson, Carly Fiorina, Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Chris Christie, Marco Rubio, Mike Huckabee and John Kasich squared off for their political survival. Who will get voted off the island?Did Hugh Hewitt and Jake Tapper do a better job as moderators for CNN than Megyn Kelly did in the FOX debate? Do vaccines cause autism? What do the candidates think about medical marijuana and federal drug laws? Why is Jeb Bush's mother upset with him?In the aftermath of the September 16th, 2015 Republican Presidential debate on CNN, Stefan Molyneux and the Freedomain Radio team examine the latest version of Donald Trump vs. The World!
I'm here with Mike and Stoyan, two of the people who your fine donations keep alive and, of course, locked in the basement of Free Domain Radio.
You can help us out at freedomainradio.com slash donate.
And we have sat through, I think it was about three and a half years.
It felt like solitary confinement, so you kind of lose track of time.
But it was the second round of the U.S. presidential debates on the Republican side.
Mike and Stoyan, how are you doing?
You say it's the second round of the presidential debate on the Republican side.
I feel like I went 12 rounds with a major boxer of some sort after sitting through that.
Yeah, you know, two hours wasn't long enough last time.
Let's bump it up to three.
That's great.
Let's have 60-plus-year-old men and women sitting up on stage having to hold their bladder control and see which one's going to fail first.
That would have made for some entertaining television, but oh my god, yeah, three hours.
That was a bit long.
Yeah, I think the three musketeers here have done battle with the Marvel-inspired fog monster of Republican politics, and we have come out shaken, yet still victorious over napping.
So, what were the highlights of the debate for you guys?
Stoyan, go ahead.
I was actually expecting a lot more, because going into the debate...
There were a lot of projections that people would go after Trump and they would go after him very hard.
And that didn't happen.
There were also some expectations that...
It didn't happen compared to the Fox debate, the previous one.
Oh, these moderators were infinitely better than Megyn Kelly and whoever her co-conspirators were.
I mean, these guys, you actually got a sense that they were there not for themselves, but for the audience and the candidates.
It was really quite something.
I think in the first debate, it was like 24 minutes or a significant amount of time was taken up with the moderators, but these guys were way better.
I had some concerns about Hugh Hewitt, because him and Trump had had a back and forth before this, and it's like, oh, he's a moderator.
How's this going to go?
Is this going to be another thing?
But they let people talk, which was quite nice.
That being said, though, say they didn't go after Donald.
The first question was essentially, is Donald Trump dangerous?
Does he have the right temperament?
Would you trust him with the nuclear codes?
Alright, I have an objective question for the rest of the candidates.
If this ham-coloured, weird-haired lunatic has his finger poised right above the button of the nuclear weapons of the United States, do you feel comfortable with that?
Well, there's an objective opening statement that's not going to get anyone's scrotum up their ass.
I'd like to correct myself, Dan.
I expected for them to go after Donald a lot harder.
It was fairly mild.
My expectations were that they would go straight for the jugular.
Well, after the Fox debate, anything short of a lynching was an improvement, so I know what you mean.
I thought at some point they were going to have a button, like they have a trapdoor underneath Donald Trump, and they just...
Hey, you speak again!
I'm pushing this button!
Down there, Bengal tidbers and spikes, so stop it!
And Rand Paul's polling numbers.
Ooh, ooh, too soon.
Too soon.
Oh, yeah.
Why is Curlyhead up here?
I don't even know.
He's got 1%.
But yeah, can you imagine them asking that question about Carly?
Would you trust a woman with the nuclear codes?
They should have done it with Ben Carson.
Okay, there's a black man.
He's got nuclear weapons.
No.
What do you do?
I mean, if Carly had the nuclear codes and they were in her purse and she left it someplace, I mean, do you feel comfortable with that?
I mean, I'm not sure.
Or, you know, she takes out the nuclear codes, tries to dial someone, blows up the world, you know.
Oh, God.
Does that make sense?
That was actually my first exposure to her.
I think, you know, and I didn't...
I'm just jumping around.
Sorry, Stoyan, you were going to say?
That was actually my first exposure to her.
We'll talk about it more later, but...
No, no, let's talk about her now.
Let's talk about her now.
Because I've actually not really seen...
I just know that she had a pretty disastrous run at Hewlett Packard.
Yeah, she started as a secretary.
And when she started the company, she had sales of $42 billion and $3.1 billion in net earnings in 1999.
When she left in 2005, they had $87 billion in sales.
So that's a lot more.
However, the earnings had gone from $3.1 billion down to $2.4 billion.
She says it's the market.
Of course, it was a tough market and all that, but she has been voted by some as one of the top six CEOs up there with John Skelly in history.
I have a personal HP story from when she was running the company, which is quite delicious that I just thought of during the debate.
What was that?
I always liked HP computers, and I was in the market for a new desktop.
And it's like, alright, I'm going to buy a new desktop.
And they would not take my money.
I had excellent credit.
I had a credit card used for everything.
I'm one of those people who puts everything on a credit card and pays it off.
And I bought brand new custom-made desktop, you know, like a thousand bucks, something like that.
And they just didn't send it to me, didn't cancel my order.
It just stayed in like this weird holding pattern.
So I called them back.
I was on the phone customer service for hours.
Eventually, they canceled the order and they said, put it in again.
I put it in again.
Exact same thing happened.
They literally would not take my money.
I am trying to buy their product.
They wouldn't send you the computer either, right?
They wouldn't send me a computer.
They wouldn't process the order.
I've never had this kind of problem with anything else.
I ended up just buying, I think it was a Dell after that.
It's just like, oh fine, I'm just going to go somewhere else because I need a computer.
I don't want to wait around for...
Another forever and a day to get this custom order placed.
It's like, if that's indicative of anything that was going on while she was running the ship, yeah, I can see why the company was in the ground.
I'm trying to give you money for your product.
Why won't you take it?
I wonder if that's the case with her political donations as well.
I wonder if she's managed to clean that up a little bit now that it's a little bit more visceral.
So, okay, so Carly Fiorina, I mean, I thought she had some good answers, lots of passion.
And, you know, I hate to comment on appearance, but I'm afraid I have to.
She just looked the entire debate like she was clenching a lemon in her hoo-hoo.
Like she just had this kind of really constipated sour look on her face.
And boy, you know, when they set up that question because, you know, Donald Trump had said, do you want that face as your next president?
And I believe him.
It didn't have anything to do with her looks.
It was just that thin-lipped, you know, there's an old saying is you never really know your wife until you meet her in court.
And that is the kind of woman who would come after you with, I don't know, a couple of Chris Christie's behind her in a dark alley.
And she just, you know, when that comment came up, and I thought that she handled it completely badly, the comment that Donald Trump made about her face.
She's like, all women know exactly what he meant.
Okay, first of all, don't borg all women, man.
Don't boggart that joint.
Don't Clinton me and don't borg all women.
A lot of women are like, okay, so the entire world has made fun of Donald Trump's hair for approximately 600 years.
So what?
She should have just said, I don't care.
If the only thing he's got to criticize about me is my face, I've already won.
You know, like, she should have just put this, hmm, well, every woman knows what he meant.
And it's just, oh, man, like, if you want to run with the boys, then, you know, Chris Christie gets called fat, you know?
You know, I heard that someone called you fat, Chris Christie.
How do you feel about that?
And it's just like, he's like, I don't care.
I mean, this is politics, you know?
Carly has made fun of Trump's hair and her previous...
I believe it was a Senate seat she was running for.
She was actually caught with a hot mic making fun of the hairdo of the person she was competing against.
So it's like, oh, you're just above this commenting on appearance thing.
And Trump's comment, too, was he had a reporter following him around for an extended period of time, and it was something that he made, you know, around his own campaign staff.
I don't know if it was on his jet, but this guy followed him around for, like, a week plus to get this story.
It's not like he was, you know, screaming this from the rooftops on national television.
A private comment, right?
Not meant for public consumption, and, you know, we've all said things about people.
And I just, I thought, what a great moment that would be to really be a feminist.
And not pull the I'm hurt and offended kind of thing and all women know and, you know, oh God, it's just like, come on.
Well, what was that at the end, guys?
What was that at the end?
Go ahead, Soy.
I was just about to say that I'm pretty sure that works in politics.
I mean, if you go talk to Putin and tell him that your feelings are offended, I'm sure he'll respect that.
Right, that's going to work out.
That's what all Russians do, at least.
That's what I've been told.
But maybe, I don't know, I'm not that experienced in politics.
So how are your diplomatic relations with Russia going to go, given that they're becoming a bit of a world power here and operating in Ukraine and everything like that?
I don't think we should talk to them.
Rand Paul's like, you know, we did talk to the Soviet Union during the Cold War.
You don't know that, right?
Diplomacy is kind of important.
No, I don't want to talk to them.
Okay.
I'd love to take your opinions on Russia, but given that you used to live in the former Soviet-controlled Eastern European area, we're going to have to defer to my experience because I read some Dostoevsky ones.
Go ahead.
Now, so, yeah, I mean, I thought she was not bad.
I just, that to me was a very disappointing moment where she could have really redefined the women's movement and just made it.
You know what this is like?
This is like, you know, in wrestling, right?
Professional wrestling, they have this massive amount of trash talking that's going on, right?
And that's to be expected.
And the same thing happens in politics.
You make fun of people and so on, right?
And you make fun of their appearance sometimes.
And it's, you know, it's just, I don't know if it's a guy thing or whatever, but I just, it would have been great.
It's just sort of like there was this big trash talking and then a reporter's going to the woman saying, you know, that, you know, Ronda Rousey, she said something mean about you.
How do you feel about this?
It's just like, oh man, come on.
This is the game.
And also, sorry, go ahead.
Her reply was the political equivalent of fainting on the sofa, sadly.
Give me my smelling salts.
Jethro, he done made off with my honor and my pony.
Now, did I get this right?
Did Chris Christie openly say that he was going to prosecute or he wanted to prosecute a Clinton?
I think that was in the context of the potential presidential debate he would have with her.
No, no.
He said he wanted to really go after a Clinton that he felt that she'd done.
He wanted to prosecute her.
Now, Chris, let me just tell you something, man.
If you look back throughout history, there are a number of people missing from family photos who also wanted to go after the Clintons.
I know you're from New Jersey, but you might want to be sleeping with one eye open at this point.
Lots of people seem to end up packing themselves in their own luggage or taking a swim at the bottom of the Hudson if they go after the Clintons.
So I think you just better look over that shoulder of yours.
You know, don't...
Don't lower your guard at the salad bar.
Did you hear something?
Was that a Clinton?
Bill coming up.
So, yeah, bad things happen to those who go after the Clintons, so you might want to get your campaigning in now, because otherwise they might just be a cardboard cutout of you, or there'll be a suitcase with your hand sticking out of the handle the next time there's a debate.
Well, before we dig deep into Chris Christie, there's another Carly thing I just want to mention right from the end of the debate where everyone is giving their closing remarks.
And Carly said something about, you know, when after I'm president, people remember that, you know, women can choose to live the life that they choose.
I believe that was the word that she used.
Women can choose to live the life that they choose.
What the hell does that mean?
Are women currently unable to live the life that they choose?
Are they choosing lives that they're not living?
What's going on here?
They're living lives that are chosen by other things than their own particular choice in bra.
That's all I can come up with.
Patriarchy.
Yeah.
Patriarchy.
Something like that.
Got it.
Got it.
Oh, gosh.
Wait, can we just move on to Ben?
Oh, hang on.
Wait, wait.
Hang on.
Let me have a little coffee here.
In fact, I'm just going to pour this scalding coffee directly in my eyeballs before we talk about Ben.
Oh, wait.
Hang on.
Oh, God.
Okay.
First of all, Ben Carson, absolutely fantastic doctor.
And do you know why he's an absolutely fantastic doctor?
He's incredibly cheap because not only is his surgeon, but he's also his own anesthesiologist because all he does is tell you about him.
Oh, man.
Wait.
So, yeah, very cheap.
He is his own as an etiologist, and he is really not the most stirring person in the known universe.
I mean, if you ever wanted to, you know, here's how you do a debate.
If you've been up for about four years straight, it would look a little bit something like this.
And also, he said he advised President Bush to not invade Iraq.
I looked that up.
No, I looked that up.
He wrote a letter to the president.
You know, in the same way, in the same way that when I was eight, I advised Santa Claus on what I wanted for Christmas because I also wrote him a letter.
In the same way, I have advised, you know, particular starlets on what they should do to me when I was younger because I wrote them letters.
Hey, Steph, I didn't know what I ran.
What do you think about that, sir?
I didn't know you were this well connected.
You know, it's amazing.
I can write lots of letters to people and that makes me part of their inner circle.
Also, can I just do one other thing with Ben?
Sorry, with Ben Carson.
Please do so.
Okay, so he was talking about the illegal immigration issue.
Yes.
Now, his plan, correct me if I got this wrong, because again, I'm passing in and out of the borders of consciousness, whatever that man is talking.
But if I understood this correctly, he basically said that he was going to assign illegal immigrants to agricultural work for some period before they might be able to get some work permit, right?
Yeah, he was talking about guest workers and allowing lots of guest workers in to pick produce and all that type of stuff.
The jobs that Americans just won't do, you know.
So did the black man...
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
No, no, I couldn't believe this.
I woke up.
That's how astonished I was.
I thought, I gotta have just had...
Did I get a head blow?
Did the black man just say, we should force people to pick cotton?
Well, how's that cotton gonna get picked if we don't have slaves?
I don't know.
Don't they have robots for that kind of stuff now?
But that just seemed like a kind of a jaw-dropping thing, you know?
I mean, I think if anybody but a black man had said, you know, we really need to get minorities in the country and force them to pick our cotton for us because, I mean, that's been any problem in the past, right?
Yeah, despite the fact that they actually do have machinery now that can pick a lot of this stuff, it's just currently cost-prohibitive because you can pay people a whole lot less money to do it by hand, so...
You know, anything else?
You know, anything but picking cotton, Ben.
Anything else.
Anything else but field-based chattel slavery is probably where you want to be taking the American population as a whole.
You know, and maybe what we could do is we could get a guy with a whip to, like, stand in front of them, and they could, like, sing songs, and they could do spirituals.
Why a guy?
Yeah.
Holy God.
That was astounding.
There's been a few Carson gems over the course of the last couple of days.
In the debate, he also talked about wanting to potentially raise the federal minimum wage.
But, you know, it's a challenge because, you know, if you raise the wage, less people get jobs.
At least he gave lip service to that.
But the idea that the black Republican candidates, who hopefully is aware of economics to some degree, wants to raise the federal minimum wage or at least is even talking about it without realizing how anti-black it is.
I mean, you're going to disproportionately impact the black community if you raise the federal minimum wage and raise the ceiling.
on the barrier you've got to jump over in order to get a job in this country.
Again, it's just something like, "Oh my God!" Oh, come on, Mike.
Operating on brains and economics is pretty much the same thing.
He's a good doctor.
He's a good doctor.
And he also...
I'm still kind of in shock at this comment he made.
This wasn't in the debate, but it was a couple of days ago on Friday, actually.
He went to Ferguson.
Okay, now why is the black Republican candidate going to Ferguson?
You're not going to Ferguson because beaches.
Wait, wait.
Pick up a grocery bag full of street cred?
Would that be somewhere in the vicinity?
Maybe he wanted to shop at the CVS. Oh wait, no, they left.
The CVS is gone.
no cvs in ferguson anymore um he was there meeting with the press and he asked if he would have shot michael brown if he were an officer darren wilson's shoes and we've done videos on this subject if you haven't seen them before you can look on this channel for him but he said it's hard to say i probably knowing who he was i probably just would have arrested him no didn't he say call for backup Well, that was the next thing.
The next thing he said, you know, I would have waited for backup before having the altercation.
Before having the altercation.
Before having the altercation, because everybody knew that altercation was going to happen.
You know, and if I was his boss in the police department, I'd say, Ben, if you need backup for everything, we don't really need you.
Yeah.
Because, you know, while there's a guy jaywalking, I'm calling for backup.
This guy's been speeding...
I'm calling for backup.
It's like, you know, they also have things to do that are important.
But, yeah, that was quite something.
I'm pretty sure.
In Ferguson.
He's in Ferguson, specifically because it's Ferguson, specifically.
I gotta say, because he's a black Republican candidate, and this is a big issue.
And, I mean, either he's not educated on what happened, and the fact that Darren Wilson was exonerated, or By both the grand jury and the Justice Department.
And, you know, corner.
And if you if you shoot black man and you're exonerated by Eric Holder's Justice Department, I mean, that's a high barrier to jump over.
Yeah, that's you know, I'm not going to call you super guilty after that.
Yeah.
So either he's uninformed about what happened, just like I probably would have just arrested him or he's just an idiot.
So I don't know what's worse in this situation.
If he's just completely uninformed or he's an idiot that is just wants to pander.
And and that the correct answer is pretty simple.
Somebody.
OK, you got I'll be bent.
I'll be Ben Carson and ask me the question.
Okay.
So, Carson, would you have shot Michael Brown if you were in Darren Wilson's shoes?
Well, the question isn't, would I have shot Michael Brown?
The question is, does a police officer under the law at the moment have the right to act in self-defense if he's being physically assaulted and a gun has been discharged and he's being charged down by a 300-plus pound gun?
Young man.
I mean, the question is, do the police have the right, or anyone have the right to act in self-defense when they're assaulted in that manner?
Under the law, yes.
And that is their training.
So you really have to ask the police what they're trained for, and my understanding is that's what the police are trained for.
And that would have been a much better response than what he gave.
I would have went back up, because...
It came over on the radio that there was a shoplifting incident and 20 cents worth of cigars had been taken, so I thought I'd wait for backup because shoplifting...
Yeah, and after all these years of Obama and the way he's kind of, I don't want to say just placated the black community when it comes to certain issues within the black community, which are quite obvious, single parenthood, prevalence of spanking, violence, you know, the idea of Ben Carson, who's doing pretty well in the polls comparatively to a lot of the other Republican candidates, which are falling through the floor.
I mean, that's a horrific thought of someone else in a position of power, another black man in a position of power who would placate and strip responsibility from the black community.
That's pretty unforgivable, frankly.
Stein, you were going to say?
Oh, I was just going to say with your answer, I would support your candidacy if only you could operate on brains.
Unfortunately, though, I'm sorry, Steph, I think I'll still go with Carson.
There's another Carson thing, too, when they were talking about illegal immigration.
It seems like he's coming around to a more secure the borders position, which anyone that wants to poll well is probably going to do that, considering...
That's something that the majority of the American people, and Republicans especially, are in favor of, and it's been pretty much the rocket boost behind Trump.
But he's like, as far as deporting illegal people, he pretty much has said, you can't get that done.
He's like, you can't really do that.
I wasn't sure if he was saying, I can't get it done, or it's not possible, but it just kind of came off as like, I don't...
I don't know how to do that.
I mean, I gotta think, and I might look foolish with this prediction, but I gotta think the support that he's seen recently is going to start to erode after this debate performance, saying stuff like that, considering how important this issue is to the majority.
You don't want to go to Republicans and say, we have no way of enforcing the most important law to you at the moment.
I'm not a politician, but I'm sure that that is not how politics work.
If you want to make a sale, you don't say to your prospective purchaser, I cannot possibly implement the only thing you really care about.
That is a great way to not...
And when you're trying to get points on Trump, who's like, I'll just do it.
I'll get it done.
And it has a history of getting stuff done for the most part in business.
And you're like, well, gee, I don't know if that's practical.
I mean, that's not going to come off well.
Well, either you've studied it and you know it's impossible, let's just say, which, of course, you know, is it impossible?
Who knows, right?
I mean, who knows how well it's going to work, how badly it's going to work.
But either you've studied it in depth and you've come to the recent conclusion that it's completely impossible.
In which case, you need to shut down the borders of the United States.
Because if a government program can't be achieved, if government laws cannot be enforced, you're just wasting a huge amount of money pretending to enforce them.
So then, the logical consequence in the minds of the voters is, he's no interest in securing the borders, he's not going to deport anyone, and so there's no capacity to enforce any borders around the South of America.
That's so there's no country.
I'm saying this as someone who's not a fan of the political process, to put it mildly, but we know that people respond to incentives, much like politicians respond to campaign contributions.
People respond to incentives.
So what happens if all of a sudden you start going after people that are employing folks that are in the country illegally and start issuing massive fines and that type of stuff?
Make it cost prohibitive to try and save a save a nickel when it's going to cost you a buck to have an illegal immigrant on the payroll and just cut off welfare to people who are illegal immigrants.
I mean, cut off welfare to everyone if you could, right?
But at least start with the illegal immigrants who haven't paid into the tax system.
That's a start.
And just – you just cut off – I mean, there's so many places in America.
You can get driver's licenses.
You can get your kids in school.
You can get healthcare.
You can get – and you don't have to be a legal citizen.
What the hell does any of that mean?
Why are people here?
They're here for either federal benefits, they want welfare benefits, or they want jobs.
And if both of those dry up, they'll probably leave.
I mean, people respond to incentives.
So can it not be done?
Well, since people respond to incentives, and those are two relatively simple things, yeah, that could be done.
So don't tell me it can't.
I'm not saying I agree with those things being done, but don't tell me it can't, for Pete's sakes, because that's just bullshit.
Yeah, and I mean, if the government can collect taxes from 300 million people, I think that it can get some stuff done.
I mean, again, I'm not a big fan.
Just for those of you who are shocked and appalled by all of this, this is us taking off our regular political helmets and just talking about politics.
So please don't scream at us about integrity and stuff like that.
We're talking about principles.
We're talking about cause and effect and people debating this issue and what they're saying and if it's valid or not.
Yeah.
Chris Christie had an unfortunate habit of making me feel like a ghost.
I don't like that feeling.
I don't.
I really...
I do not like that feeling because I get confused.
I attempt to float off the couch.
I attempt to go through closed doors.
I attempt to rattle chains and scare children.
Because Christie was like, this...
I'm going to believe in you.
I believe in you.
And it's like, I'm here.
I don't need you to believe in me.
I just need you to stop the government from interfering with everything I want to do.
I believe in you.
I believe in you.
It's like, I am not a deity.
I don't need your faith.
I don't need you to believe in me.
I know I'm here.
Just get out of my way.
And Chris Christie, it's a horrible cliche, right?
And I fought it the whole, but I'm telling you, man, Chris Christie is like the kind of guy, it's like, yeah, I think I'm going to give this guy some campaign money, otherwise something really bad is going to happen to my Italian restaurant.
I just have that feeling.
Nice guy!
I mean, whatever, right?
Well, I don't know if I'd go as far to say nice guy, but...
Well, you know, it's an affable persona.
An affable persona is probably the way to put it.
He seems like the fat guy at a bar who's loud and makes funny jokes and you could get along with for an evening if it didn't go too personal.
That's about where it is with...
Unless...
Although he's a tripwire guy.
Like, he's the kind of guy you're like, you're laughing, you're laughing.
It's like the scene out of...
Oh, God.
Goodfellas, you know?
You think I'm funny?
You think I'm a clown?
Right?
I mean, like, you're laughing, you're laughing, you're laughing, and then you say something, and laughter stops.
The whole bar goes quiet.
Hey, man, you shouldn't have said that.
You flipped his switch.
Back away slowly.
That's the kind of guy he looks like.
You went too far and now you're wearing cement shoes and you're falling off the bridge that I previously blocked and didn't let people over, which led to the death of several people.
Chris Christie, if he offers to walk you to your car...
Do not take that offer.
Also, for Chris Christie, if someone from the Clinton family also offers to walk you to your car, don't take that offer either.
Mike Huckabee is missing.
Last scene with Chris Christie.
To be fair, though, between Christie and the Clintons, I'd choose Christie any day.
He seems like the safer bet.
Christie is fresh bullshit, as opposed to Clintons, which are stale bullshit.
And Christie is certainly, I would say, at least 120% less rapey.
And that is, you know, call me old-fashioned, call me sentimental, call me a father.
I just find that to be, like, didn't Hillary Clinton just do a commercial about, you know, how much she really, really believes the victims of sexual assault, unless they stand between her and political power, in which case you're completely screwed.
Unless you're accusing her husband of nefarious things over the course of the years, which then she will have them destroyed.
My God.
Evil with a straight face.
It's shocking.
There's also, with Christie, it's kind of interesting watching him and Rand Paul go back and forth on the topic of medical marijuana and drugs in general and drug treatment.
And, you know, Chris Christie talking about the importance of health and needing to get people treated for these issues.
It's just like, oh dear.
I mean, I don't want to be that guy, but like, no, just stop.
Please.
Please.
Hey, man, I'm not smoking those donuts.
Um...
Now, did I get this right?
No, no, there's just a gateway to the entire cookie bar or the entire pint of Haagen-Dazs.
I don't know.
No, that's the code word, though.
Did Connie Fiorina, her kid, die of a drug overdose?
Okay, I looked into this because I was pretty shocked to hear this.
Blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, okay, so what do we got here?
Okay, she was first married to someone named Todd Bartlam for seven years before she married her second husband.
Her first marriage, Bartlam says there's a lot of animosity from the marriage, telling the Daily Mail that Florina had pathological pursuit of power and was very calculating.
He said she only stayed married to him while he was useful to her, getting through her graduate school degree.
And she had an affair on him with Frank, her second husband, but she claims they were already divorced by the time she and Frank began dating.
And they haven't had any contact since 1984 when they split up.
So who knows with divorce stuff, people can just say anything, but there's something lurking there.
And it was her stepdaughter.
Who was the one that passed away from drug addiction and alcoholism in 2009 at the age of 39.
So the kid was pretty much raised by the time she came along, right?
Yeah, that's what it sounds like.
But yeah, that was quite a bomb to kind of drop in the middle of the debate.
Interesting.
Did Jeb Bush actually refer to himself as a disruptor?
I'm pretty sure he did.
Disruptor.
Energizer, I heard.
Now, energizer later.
Now, earlier on, he referred to himself as an outsider, an outlier, a disruptor for sure.
I wrote that down, a disruptor.
And, you know, if your dad's been president and your brother's been president, you're not a disruptor.
I'm an outsider because...
You know, fighting against Washington.
Wait, what?
Yeah.
If by disruptor he meant that he was a machine, I would agree with that.
Oh, like disrupticon?
A disruptor drone, perhaps?
Disruptor drone, right.
Yeah, that, again, this is the view that people have of themselves.
It's really quite something.
My favorite part of the debate was when Bush got really upset at Trump.
And was like, I'm proud of my family.
And Trump was wrong for saying that I may have a soft spot for Mexico regarding immigration.
And he's like, he needs to apologize.
He needs to apologize.
And of course, Trump brought up his previous comments about immigration and how it's an act of love and all that kind of stuff, which he's walked back because it's not very popular.
And what Trump had said previously is, if my wife were from Mexico, I think I would have a soft spot for people from Mexico.
I mean, that doesn't sound...
Out of the norm?
That seems pretty reasonable.
Well, no, because we just have to, I'm sorry, just break in, this is just a logical breakdown to this.
So, if his wife was brought up in the Mexican culture, then either A, she has completely rejected the Mexican culture, and is now un-Mexican or anti-Mexican, which seems functionally impossible,
but A, I don't think that's the case.
It's also spilling over based upon our origins from the Mexican culture.
I mean, you can't love guys with a British accent and then hate everything to do with England.
That doesn't make any sense.
Well, it even gets better.
So Jeb plugged his book that he wrote on immigration.
Want to know how the book starts?
Immigration to me is personal.
It means my wife and my family.
Oh, no.
Oh, no.
Do they think there's no internet?
There's no internet out here.
Do they think that this is a newspaper whose editor they have something on?
And then like in the paragraph, it says, thanks to my wife, I became bicultural and bilingual, and my life is better because of it.
For the first time in my life, I learned what the immigrant experience was.
No, no, no.
Mike, Mike, you've misread that.
What he meant to write was, thanks to my wife, I've become bicurious.
I don't think his mom will like that either.
Hang on a second.
Is the potential future president claiming to be bicultural?
He said, I became bicultural and bilingual, and his life is better because of it.
For the first time in my life, I learned what the immigrant experience was, and I grew to appreciate her desire to learn English and embrace American values while still retaining her love for the traditions of Mexico.
Wait a minute.
They...
What?
What?
No, hang on, hang on.
They met.
She did not speak English, and he did not speak Spanish?
I remember reading about this before.
I believe that was the case.
He was, I'm not sure if it was as a student or whatnot, but he was traveling and met her, I believe, in Mexico.
Oh my god.
You know what that means, right?
Oh, I am thinking about what that means, but I'm curious what you think it means.
Well, if there was no dialogue happening, there was something else that was happening that attracted them to each other.
Well, the first thing I noticed was how she could eat a cucumber without chewing.
Next thing you know, we're married and we're trying to learn each other's language.
Hang on, maybe not a cucumber or jalapeno, perhaps?
I don't know what that means.
God.
And then she took a piece of navel rope and tied it in her mouth, just using her tongue.
Next thing you know, we were betrothed.
And, wow, so he's openly admitted that his marriage to his wife has had a huge effect on making him positive towards Mexico and immigration.
Yeah.
Maybe he's just assuming no one has read his books, because I can't fathom it would.
But then he denies it.
So then he demands...
That Donald must apologize.
He demands that Donald apologize to his wife for the very reason that Jeb loves his wife.
I don't even...
I can see why his children are criminals.
Well, there's that too, folks.
Okay, let's go full TMZ on this show.
Let's dig up a wee bit of dirt on the Jebs.
Okay, I got a bunch of notes here, so...
Let's look.
All right.
We have first Jeb's eldest son, George Prescott Bush, ran into some trouble in 1994.
Let's see.
Back when he was a Rice University student, this is from the Smoking Gun, Bush was investigated for burglary and criminal misconduct related to a 4 a.m.
visit to the Miami home of his ex-girlfriend, And her parents.
The police department report includes an account of the incident provided to the cops by his ex-girlfriend's father.
Because he stalked her, right?
According to the report, Bush was wearing black shorts and no shirt, arrived at the residence and went to his daughter's bedroom window, pulled it open, and pushed the screen inward.
As Bush was climbing in the window, the father awoke and spotted the trespasser.
A neighbor also spotted Bush trying to get in the residence and began to argue with him.
I'm sorry, but this is after, like a year after they broke up?
He's still freaking her out by coming in through her window?
I don't know the, let's see, later in the report it says they've been separated for one and a half years.
A year and a half after she tries to break up with this guy, he's crashing in through her window in the middle of the night.
She added that Bush has been a problem ever since they broke up.
Yeah.
So I didn't finish.
With his intrusion thwarted, Bush backed out of the window, and he jumped into a vehicle and fled.
But then he returned to the home 20 minutes later and drove his car through their yard, causing damage to about 80 feet of the lawn.
So an officer showed up and spoke to Bush and the parents of the ex-girlfriend.
But oddly enough, the ex-girlfriend's parents didn't want to press any charges, and Bush was not arrested on the scene.
Yeah, you know.
Hmm.
Hmm.
Now, he was in his 20s at this point, right?
So it wasn't like he was, you know, 16 or something.
I mean, he was an adult and all that.
And, yeah, probably a wise move to not...
it, right?
Because you want to step in that mess, you know?
Right.
So his second child, Noel was charged with prescription drug fraud in 2002.
This is when he was governor.
She was arrested in Tallahassee on charges of trying to fill a fake prescription for the popular tranquilizer Xanax.
Maybe that explains Jeb's lack of energy.
This is from USA Today.
Bush and his wife Columbia issued a statement that they were deeply saddened by the incident involving their middle child and only daughter, Noelle, who was 24 at the time.
They asked the media and the public to respect their privacy during this difficult time so that we can help our daughter.
A Walgreens pharmacist suspiciously suspicious about a call in prescription notified police at 1.15 in the morning when she showed up at the drugstore's drive-thru in her white Volkswagen to pick up.
She was charged with prescription fraud, a felony that carries a maximum penalty of five years in jail and a $5,000 fine.
She had no criminal record at the time and was released without having to post bond.
And she's also been cited for about a dozen traffic violations and was involved in three automobile crashes since 1995.
That's according to the Associated Press.
So, driving under the influence possible, you can say, with that many traffic violations and automobile crashes with a history of...
So, she's a drug addict.
Yes.
So, we've got Stalker breaking in potential rapist Creep.
And we've got drug addict car crashing monster.
We're not done yet.
You know, for all the people that want to bring up, have you guys heard that Donald Trump, a couple of his companies declared bankruptcy years ago?
This is the first time I heard of it.
Hey, you know what I've heard is that the only problem that Jeb Bush has ever had with any kind of drugs in the family is 40 years ago he smoked pot in high school.
Well, what else could you bring up?
So the daughter as well, she had quite possibly maybe been charged with shoplifting in 1995.
It's still kind of fuzzy, but this is from the Palm Beach Post.
Oh, this Noel one?
Yeah.
She may have not been honest about it and given a different name for the thing, but there's some murky stuff there that you can look into.
If you search Jeb Bush family, all this stuff will come up, and it's on reputable websites.
And the youngest son, Jebby Bush, was charged with having sex in a parking lot in the year 2000 from the New York Post.
Jebby Bush, the son of W's younger brother, was nabbed for having sex outside the Tallahassee Mall on October 7th by a pair of security guards.
He was Jebby Bush and his unnamed blonde companion, a student at a private school, were both naked from the waist down and locked in a lusty embrace inside a blue Jeep Cherokee.
The cop filed a sexual misconduct report since the couple were having sex in public view.
Classy.
Classy.
And Jebby, also in 2005, this is from the AP, was arrested for charges of public intoxication, resisting arrest.
Yeah, pretty much, it's drunk, resisted arrest.
And again, the governor was asked about it and said, my son's doing fine.
It's a private matter.
We will support him.
We're sad for him.
I'm not going to discuss it in the public square with 30 cameras, he said.
And this happened when he was governor.
So, you know, if we're going to talk about stuff that happened in the past, his record as a parent and how well his kids have not done, I think that's relevant to the discussion in the conversation, considering...
Wait, biracial kids with problems?
What have an ex, Elliot, Roger?
Yeah, and there's also issues with his wife who, let me see...
Who, by the way, is so small, she looks like the last Russian doll in one of those Russian dolls within Russian Dolls collection.
Yeah.
I don't have the stuff on his wife, but off the top of my head, she was coming back from, I believe, Paris, and you have to declare what you have in goods when you cross international borders.
And she declared a small amount, and she had like $20,000 worth of stuff.
So she was trying to skirt taxes, which is hilarious when you come from a family of politicians who the only reason that they have any livelihood is because of the political system.
That's just a delightful, delightful tidbit.
So she got caught and ended up having to pay a bunch of fines, and this has been kind of floating around Jeb Bush as well during his gubernatorial crisis.
But the important thing, Mike, is that in Florida, Donald Trump may have wanted to open a casino.
See, that's the really important thing when it comes to character.
Any of Donald Trump's people?
Creepy stalkers and drug addicts and all that?
As far as I know...
His kids seem pretty good, right?
Yeah, his kids are involved in his business and seem to be doing pretty well.
He's not a spanker.
Not a spanker.
Yeah, that's out there too.
He's definitely said that.
And I'm sure if there were problems, we'd be hearing about them as well, considering we hear about vague comments that are published in books from 30 years ago going off vague reports out of a divorce filing.
And that becomes a mainstream news story.
Yeah, but you don't hear any of this about Jeb.
Boy, that's interesting, isn't it?
And he's supposed to be the guy, the establishment candidate for the Republican Party.
And granted, he's doing abysmal in the polls, but he started out pretty high, and this was not talked about at all.
It's at the point where I found this, and I'm just like, what now?
No, this can't be true.
This can't be true.
It is true.
Oh, and it's known.
It's known in the media.
No one has repeated it on a national stage when he's running for president.
No, I mean, if you remember, what was the black guy in the last election cycle who was accused of having Herman Cain, right?
Yeah, Herman Cain was accused of having these affairs because he wrote some nice inscription in some woman's book.
Well, that was because they had to blow him out of the water so that you wouldn't have Obama running against the black, right?
But, I mean, this other stuff with Jeff Bush doesn't show up?
Doesn't show up at all.
Doesn't show up at all.
But, you know, it's very important that Trump apologizes to Jeb Bush's wife for, you know, not even bringing this stuff up, which, frankly, kind of fair game in this type of election, I gotta say.
You apologized to my wife for quoting my book about my love for my wife and her culture.
Because I don't, I was a lie.
If my wife were from Mexico, I think I would have a soft spot for people from Mexico.
That's what he said, this horrible thing.
On the list of terrible things Donald Trump has said, I mean, he says worse before breakfast.
No, but this is what's so...
I think of the kids, when you grow up in a house where there's that level of commitment to unreality.
I wrote this four years ago.
You're quoting a milder version of it.
You must apologize to my wife.
That's such a level of psychotic unreality.
That, to me, is mentally ill to the nth degree.
That is just so bizarrely...
Outside of reality.
Or wanting to lead a nation when you have completely screwed up as a father.
Again, it's just so outside of reality.
And that's the sense.
When that guy's talking, I literally go to my tropical happy place.
I have to scratch my...
I've got marks on my cheeks.
I have to scratch my cheeks.
To stay focused on his words, because I just feel like he's slowly scooping out my near frontal cortex with an ice cream bowl.
But Steph, do you trust Donald Trump with the nuclear codes?
Again, I... Oh, and this bit, so Donald Trump, you know, he got pegged on all these Middle Eastern names, right?
They rattled off, like, a whole bunch of Middle Eastern names and asked him who they were, right?
This was in an interview with Hugh Hewitt, who was one of the moderators.
Seriously, seriously douchey move.
The same thing happened with, I think, George W. Bush.
He was pinged with a whole bunch of foreign leaders' names, and nobody knew who the hell they were, but somehow this was some great gotcha moment, right?
Right.
But you know what?
That stuff, if you're going to do it with everyone, okay.
I mean, if you're going to do it with everyone across the board, I think that's fine.
But if you're just selectively doing against people that you've spoken negatively about in the past, that's pretty abysmal.
Okay.
Okay, guys.
I'm going to try and beat Donald Trump for a moment.
You ready?
Are you aware of the Syrian rebel group and their leader who has the plans to do in Times Square?
What do you think about that, Donald?
Let me tell you how it is.
Let me tell you how it is in this world.
I don't need to know their names.
They need to know my name.
That would have been the best answer to that question.
What the frick was happening at the end there?
Who would you put on the $10 bill?
First of all, okay, history lesson 101.
Oh, Republicans who are so anti-communist.
Half of them said Rosa Parks.
Rosa Parks was a communist.
She was trained by communists.
That's not acceptable history, Steph.
Alabama bus riot was a whole communist thing.
So stop praising communists and wanting to put communists on the $10 bill!
That's politically correct, Steph.
We can't talk about Rosa Parks and the actual history.
We need to just pretend it's...
She may be a communist with a halo, but if you move her head quickly, it's a hammer and sickle with blood dripping from it.
And they were doing that in the Ronald Reagan Museum to top it off.
Oh my god.
And why does everyone want to pick a fight with Putin?
I mean, why?
Why?
Russia is...
Who gives a shit about Russia?
They're in such freefall demographic decline.
Just wait 20 minutes.
The last Russian will be dead.
Like, there's no need to fight Russia.
Trust me.
They're dipping their penises in vodka, killing all their sperm, and having sex with radiators.
You don't have to worry about Russia for very long.
But Carly's not on speaking terms with Putin, apparently, if she gets elected president.
I love how she casually brought up the fact that she wants to escalate the relationship with Russia.
That's what the U.S. needs right now.
War with Russia.
Yes.
Oh, the number of places these guys wanted to invade.
Holy shit.
I mean, this was like, whack yourself off on a world map, pure hardcore war-nography.
I mean, holy God almighty, do you people like masturbate with bazookas?
What the hell is going on?
Here's what, the list that I had.
We need to go back into Iraq.
I'd be happy to fight Russia.
Iran, fuck you, we'll fight you too.
Syria, yeah, boots on the ground back in Syria.
I mean, dear God, I mean, no wonder the world is just like, okay.
I'd like to point out, though, that the biggest warmonger on the stage was a woman, in this case.
Oh yeah, no, no, she definitely, she felt she needed to prove her street military ball-clanging cred.
I mean, there was no question about that.
I mean, she was in Hewlett-Packard after all.
That's what happened back there.
Yeah.
It's just like a hostile takeover, but, you know, with a little bit more clatter of small arms fire.
I love this thing where I didn't even...
I read this briefly, but when they were talking about, you know, we need to train Arabs to fight on the ground in Middle Eastern countries.
That's worked out so well in the past.
Every other time the U.S. has done it, it's been great.
One day, at some point, the Arabs might decide to switch sides.
No.
Maybe.
Who knows?
Never happened before.
Bin Laden.
ISIS. Everyone else.
And after $500 million spent by Obama, they have four or five troops.
Now, to be fair, they are 1,400 feet tall and made entirely out of Meccano and have laser sharks shooting out of their eyeballs.
So they are very cool troops, $100 million apiece, but oh my god.
Unless those troops are made out of that moving silver shit in Terminator 2, that is not a good deal.
Bush on Iraq.
He made this point, which is funny.
He's like, when we pull back, talking about leaving Iraq.
See, the problem wasn't that we went into Iraq in a completely destabilized region.
I hate saying we, but the United States.
He said, when we pull back, voids are created.
Voids are created.
So we just didn't fuck it up enough.
And then those voids run for office.
That's me.
Sorry.
Sorry.
I wasn't sure if he was talking about Iraq as a metaphor like the rhythm method or something.
You see, when we pull out, voids, otherwise known as my children, are created.
They're climbing through your bedroom window right now.
But you see, when the Allied forces pulled back from Germany, voids were created as well.
Yeah, fortunately those voids were filled with free markets and freedom.
Yeah, yeah.
Do you remember when all of the, you know, when communist regimes fell around the world?
Just massive voids created and everybody started boiling each other in cages.
Just horrible.
Oh, and Bush kept us safe.
I like what Trump said.
I don't feel that safe anymore.
Bush kept us safe because for seven years...
There were no attacks on American soil.
It's like, well, first of all, there were, but that's not really the point.
Second, Fort Hood, right?
But secondly, the reason why there were no attacks on U.S. soil, this can't bear repeating often enough, Americans, the reason why there were no attacks on the U.S. soil after Bush launched the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq is because he was doing exactly what Al-Qaeda wanted him to do.
That's like saying, my enemy in a firefight has shot himself.
And then they say, well, you know what?
He stopped shooting at him.
Yes!
Because he shot himself.
So I don't need to do anything.
Well, it's even worse than that.
George W. kept us safe.
You do know that 9-11 happened while he was president, right?
I mean, come on, Jeff.
He kept us safe, you know, except for the biggest terrorist attack on U.S. soil in eternity.
Yes, and then the whole domino thing that happened out of Iraq and Afghanistan and the creation of the drug pipelines with the poppy fields in Afghanistan and then the creation of Al-Qaeda, the strengthening of ISIS, the pouring in from Syria and Iran of fighters against America,
the $2 trillion, which is going to be like five or six when all is said and done, the thousands of Americans dead, the tens of thousands wounded, the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed, the entire destabilization of the regime, and the swarming of hundreds of thousands of migrants into Europe.
Other than that, great job.
Oh, I got another great Bushism on the ground.
Please stop keeping us safe!
Stop!
Stop helping, Jeb.
Stop helping.
I can't take any more safety.
Go write more books, please.
Bush on immigration was saying, you know, we need to secure the border, but building a wall and deporting people is too expensive.
That was the summary of his point.
So we need to secure the border.
Are you expecting force fields?
Like, what is exactly the plan here?
No, my theory...
It's so multicultural, I believe Klingons will help.
My theory is that he's going to use Jedi mind tricks.
This is not the country you're looking for.
Jedi mind tricks.
This is not the freedom you're...
This is not the welfare you're looking for.
And then Carly around that time, too, was because Trump brought up, you know, the reason we're talking about immigration right now is because I made it a big issue.
And Carly then came out and said, you know, we've been talking, the Republicans have been talking about immigration for 25 years.
We've been talking about it.
It's like...
Okay, you've been giving it lip service.
No one has seriously made a plan or said they're going to do, you know, they're really going to secure the border, here's my plan, and base their entire campaign off it.
But, you know, us politicians, us people in kind of the political class, and yes, folks, Carly is a little more than just, you know, she was an entrepreneur.
I mean, she's a politico.
She worked for John McCain's campaign.
She ran for Senate, I believe.
So she's been involved in this for quite a while.
It's not like she's some outsider or anything.
She's like, you know, we've been talking about Immigration for 25 years.
It's like, yes, yes, the American people know you've been talking about it.
They want someone who's actually going to follow up on it based on all the polling information available.
So that's kind of the Donald's point and one of the reasons why he's so successful right now because people think he's actually going to do something that the people want for once.
I have another issue with the comment she made is the fact that she said, we've been talking about it for 25 years.
While talking about it and not proposing anything.
So you're actually exacerbating the problem.
Did she propose anything about immigration?
I couldn't remember.
I think she's taken in the task on the birthright citizenship thing.
She's not strong on, you know, we need to build a wall, that type of stuff.
She might be heading that direction based on polling numbers, and that's the popular thing to do.
No, but she keeps talking about immigration and talking about how people continue to talk about immigration without doing anything.
I'm not seeing the contradiction in that, but oh well.
Yeah, that's why a real estate guy and a neurosurgeon are the two leading Republican candidates.
It might have something to do with it.
Yeah.
No, and the birthright citizenship thing, too, has never been tested in the court.
It actually arose out of a non-legally binding footnote in some other judgment that said something or other that could be interpreted.
Of course, the Democrats jumped all over it because it allows them to appeal to their Hispanic base and import more Democrats and all that kind of stuff.
Yeah.
The idea that this is any kind of law is, you know, The only way that you're a U.S. citizen is if your parents are legal when you're born.
If they're not legal, you're not a U.S. citizen.
That's very clear.
So you have to be subject to the laws of the United States.
You have to be part of the social fabric of the United States in order to give birth to a citizen in the country.
There's no way.
Anyway, so I'm completely with Trump on that.
Well, the author of the 14th Amendment actually said, and they mentioned this, on the Senate floor, the author of it said it was meant for slaves.
Only for slaves.
I don't know how other people, Mexicans and such, are in the same category.
I don't know.
What is the problem?
What is this weird thing where people just want to like snort irrational hope and consider that a strategy?
The great thing about Reagan is it was really hopeful.
Whereas Trump's saying, no, the world is a mess.
And people know that the world is a mess.
They're not stupid.
They know that they don't have any jobs.
They know that their house is worth less than the ground it's built on.
They know that their incomes have been declining.
They know they're living paycheck to paycheck.
They read the news about what's happening in the world.
Optimism does not allow you to reverse gravity.
It's called insanity.
I don't know.
Okay, the wings have been torn off, but I'm optimistic we can land this thing into that volcano that's right below it.
There is a time where you need to panic, and Trump is masterfully bringing about the necessary panic that occurs when there's a big shift in society.
Well, people feel like they've been lied to and finally get something.
Yeah, they hate politics.
Whether rightly or wrongly, that he's at least being frank with them about what he feels and what he thinks.
So, I mean, I think that's a huge part of his appeal right now.
It's the first politician that doesn't sound immediately like a politician.
When half the football team is out with cholera, cheerleaders don't let you win.
They don't make you win the match, right?
It's just pointing out that, no, the world is a mess.
And I like that, Frank.
I think that's what people are really responding to.
The other thing, too, I'm not sure that it's particularly fair to ask the people not in government for all the details of their foreign policy initiatives because they have no security clearance.
See, the people in the government who are senators, who are congressmen, who are governors, they have security clearance.
What that means, this is for all the moderators and everyone else there, but What that means, you see, is they have access to infinitely more information, unless they want to spend $500,000 to get all Hillary Clinton's emails from that hacker.
They have access to infinitely more information about what's going on in the world and what America's stance is than the non-politicians.
And the fact that, you know, wouldn't you say, hey, you're asking me for answers when I don't have the information.
I do not have security clearance.
And so, obviously, that's going to be very important for me, but you're trying to give me some even playing field with other people who have massive, massive security clearance when I don't.
And neither does Carly Fiorina, and neither do the other people who aren't in government at the moment.
And it just seems weird that that's never mentioned to me.
Yeah, that's a really great point.
And this idea, too, that you need to be the master of everything, we've kind of talked about that.
market and a free society and that type of thing.
It's like, if you start talking about these ideas to people, they're like, well, if we didn't have a government or we had a real minarchist government, a really small government, like who would handle this?
How would the roads be built?
How would this?
And it's like, I don't know.
The collective genius of everyone on the planet in a free market situation would figure out what people wanted and what their preferences were.
And there'd probably be many different types of things.
But asking one guy to have all the answers is an argument for a dictatorship.
And I know that the President of the United States is bordering on...
It's getting kind of imperial, but it's not a dictator.
We're getting there.
But still, it's just like, you know, Trump, I think he said, when Hewitt, in that kind of gotcha interview, asked him all those names about terrorists, he's just like, you know, I'm a delegator.
Like, I will find competent people that this is their thing.
You know, this is their thing that they do and trust their judgment.
I'll get good people around me and rely on them.
And I mean, that's what smart people do.
You can't do everything yourself.
There's a thing called the division of labor.
And I think if you're competent, that also applies to this type of thing.
If you're trying to run a country, you can't be an expert economist while at the same time understanding climate issues, at the same time understanding every foreign policy implication.
I mean, you're going to need some help, for Christ's sakes, and knowing someone that's been successful at delegating in the past, that would be a quality that I'd want over someone who can study up on the back of note cards and pretend like they know a bunch of shit that when stuff hits the fan, it's like, oh, no one's wrote it on my note card, what do I do?
Well, and just for those who don't know, Mike has what's colloquially called at Freedom in Radio the delegation taser.
And what he does is he often will sense when I'm about to edit something.
Like, Mike, I think it's a great idea for me to edit this.
And then I have an erection for four days.
Anyway.
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I now have, like, laser-activated missiles that I can point at Stuff's crotch when he starts doing something I don't want.
He's getting close to a keyboard.
It's not a camera.
Also, one other thing, maybe a bit more controversial, but oh my god.
This is the advice that no one will ever ask me for, but this is the advice that I would give to people.
And I think Donald Trump gets this.
Okay.
Oh, politicians.
Let me tell you something.
The American people don't care about Israel as much as you think they do.
No kidding.
I'm a friend of Israel.
You know, for a lot of people, that's not good.
A lot of people think there's way too much pandering to Israel in American foreign policy.
It's kind of hard to argue against them in a lot of ways.
So you might want to shut up.
I know you're talking to a particular group of people, but rhymes with news.
But the average American person is not waking up every day saying, Okay, I owe $400,000 in student loans.
My house's value is a smoking crater the size of that big old ass one in Arizona.
I haven't had a job.
My welfare is going to get cut off.
My unemployment is going to get cut off.
But the rest of that pales in significance as to whether or not Israel has the most advanced weaponry at the moment.
Yeah.
Well, the culmination of that pandering to Israel was Karly Fiorina mentioning her good friend Bibi, referring to Benjamin Netanyahu.
Oh, I missed that.
Bibi.
She called him Bibi.
Well, I think Huckabee and a few others did as well in their closing where it's just like, all right, I think the question was, you've been president.
What is the world going to be like after your presidency kind of thing?
And a lot of people are like, Israel.
And it's like, Israel's not in the United States.
I know they write a lot of screenplays, but still, there are American people who aren't Jewish who might like to get some of your attention as well.
You see, Uzbekistan's going to be great after I'm president.
Well, that's nice, you see.
Hey, man.
What's wrong with Iceland?
Nobody ever talks about protecting Iceland!
Anyway.
Stuff gets very uppity when you start mentioning Iceland.
Ice privilege.
But no, I just, you know, I mean, it just seems to be one of these things that American politicians have to do, but it is a red flag for a lot of people in America.
I mean, does everyone think that they're only interested in the Middle East because of oil?
It's not really just the oil.
And a lot of people don't like the fact that, you know, hundreds of billions of dollars go over to Israel every year from a country that's increasingly impoverished itself and is starting to look at toenail clippings as a source of soup.
So, anyway, it just struck me as a real disconnect, and I think that's a Washington thing.
I think that's a politics thing, where it's just like, you know, we just have to talk about being pro-Israel.
And, you know, singling out that country, again, only democracy in the Middle East, a lot to be said for it, but...
Average American person, you know, get back to immigration.
The other thing too, okay, oh my god.
Oh god.
I mean, I said this in the notes, we were chatting a couple of times back and forth during the debate, but it's like, here's an important question.
What would you cut to balance the budget?
No, we don't need to talk about that.
That's not important.
We don't need to mention we're $16.3 trillion in national debt.
Don't need to mention that.
That doesn't include unfunded liabilities either.
We don't need to talk about that.
What's your spirit animal, Jeb Bush?
You tell me.
I think it's the Terminator.
Ben Carson, if you were on a stamp, would the other side be infused with quaaludes of...
So that when people licked it, they could imitate you.
If someone stole your stamp, would you shoot them or would you wait for backup?
I'd call for backup.
But no, I mean, wouldn't that be...
We eliminate the IRS. We're going to invade every country I can throw a dart at on a map.
But isn't the biggest issue right now?
How about talking about fiat currency, gold standard, Federal Reserve, something to do with what would you cut to balance the budget?
The only thing they talked about cutting was Donald Trump's Social Security.
Oh man, I was kind of bugging out for a second because Rand Paul gets asked the question, all right, what woman would you put on the $10 bill?
And first off, his name is Rand.
His name is Rand for a reason.
He was named after Ayn Rand.
That's disputed.
That's disputed, yeah.
As far as I understand it, that's disputed, but it doesn't matter.
His dad's a big fan.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know.
I'm comfortable going out on that limb.
But Ryan Franz hated, so if you're a politician, you probably don't want to say that too often.
I mean, I thought that would potentially be his answer, but an even better answer would have been, how about we get the government out of the monopoly of controlling the currency to begin with, so we don't run into situations right now where the entire global financial system is hinging on Janet Yellen's decision.
Are we going to raise the interest rates?
Are we going to get another round of quantitative easing in September?
I don't know.
Am I going to have a pension tomorrow?
I have no idea.
That would have been a great answer as opposed to, what would I put on a $10 bill?
I'd put an ounce of gold on a $10 bill, and then I'd take the $10 bill and wipe my ass with it, because that's all it's good for.
Well, you know, that at least would be, I mean, there's the platform, a lot of people watching.
Trump got the conversation started about immigration, regardless of what you think about it.
But it would have been great to see Rand Paul, who I know has been exposed to this information.
I mean, I'm sure he's had these conversations over the dinner table with his father about fiat currency and the gold standard and the problems with the central bank and Federal Reserve.
And he could have got that conversation going.
And man, if there's something – there's got to be some type of issue that you really take the lead on to get any type of real – Not Donald Trump seems kind of nice.
I like him despite everything.
I mean, these guys, there was no shortage of charisma, but sorry, go ahead.
Yeah, but he could have really taken the lead on this issue.
He was really speaking out against a drug war in his back and forth with Christie, which was probably the most enthused and interesting I found Rand during the entire presidential series, frankly, because he's kind of been just...
Vanished.
You know, you never hear about him.
You never hear him doing anything.
The last debate he came off so terribly when he immediately started going after Trump, it was just kind of a...
He's down to 1%.
Yeah, he's doing really badly.
And what he's been doing hasn't worked.
And, you know, I think he did a lot better tonight as far as getting attention and talking about stuff.
Nothing to distinguish him.
Nothing but you say, okay, this guy I want to find out more about.
Yeah, you know, he's talking about states' rights when it comes to marijuana, medical marijuana.
He's not even going, like, I'm going to end the drug war kind of thing, which I believe is something he's talked about in the past.
But, yeah, I think that would have been a good opportunity to maybe go for it.
And I know he's exposed to this information.
There was one issue on which he distinguished himself, at least for me.
I want to be fair to the guy.
But right citizenship.
He gave the best answer.
He was the most well-prepared candidate out of all of them on the subject.
But not compelling.
You know, I mean, having the right information is not enough.
You have to go and own that stage.
You have to grab that stage by the balls and not let it go.
And he does not have the...
The focus and the intangible, the X factor, right?
The charisma, the intensity, the passion, the people who you follow off a cliff, like it or not.
That's why I think Donald Trump says, I can understand the appeal of his father, but the gene didn't carry, right?
Yeah.
He defines himself as the anti-Trump candidate.
In other words, he'd be going after Donald Trump as opposed to promoting the ideas that he espouses.
And instead of doing that, he just keeps going after Trump with offhand comments and nasty remarks, instead of promoting the ideas that I'm sure even his father stands behind.
Okay, I got some Rand Paul stuff that I do want to talk about because he said a couple things in the days before the debate which I thought were pretty nasty that I just want to bring out.
He's not talking about what he's for.
He's talking about Donald Trump not being a real conservative.
All right, this is what he said.
If someone is presenting himself as something he's not, it's important that that's exposed.
You have to point out the faults of the leader if you want to be the leader.
He was for the president's stimulus plan, he was for Obamacare, he was for the bank bailout, and he's running through positions that Donald may or may not have held when he wasn't a politician, trying to get along with people.
Let's see.
I think when voters fully grasp who he is and what he supports, they'll run away with their hair on fire.
The message hasn't penetrated yet that Donald Trump isn't one of us, Paul argued.
He's barely a Republican.
He's been a Democrat.
He's a huge supporter of Harry Reid, Charlie Rangel, he went on.
He said he's the consummate insider, buying and selling politicians.
Well, according to an article in the St.
Lake Tribune, In 2014, Trump gave $10,000 to Rand Paul to support his political efforts.
Oh, dear.
Yeah, buying and selling politicians.
I know, because he purchased me.
That doesn't work.
You know, that prostitute down the street is a filthy bag of, oh, $250?
Okay, I'm in.
And then, okay, so on Tuesday before the debate, he said, I think he deserves both barrels.
They were talking about going after him kind of thing.
And Rand said, I think he deserves both barrels.
I want to make sure everyone in the whole country knows that he's a fake conservative.
I was supposed to see a quote kind of floating around about him saying something about a shotgun, like I'm going to take a shotgun approach or something like that.
I don't have that in front of me right now, and that's not completely confirmed, but it's something in that, you know, I'm going to go full barrel at him.
And Wednesday, today, of the day of the debate, he was at a gun range shooting, I think he shot the tax code or something at a gun range, and he was discussing Trump.
And it's like, you know, I gotta say, after talking about going after someone with both barrels and the next day you're at a gun range and you're still talking about Trump, there's some imagery there that's kind of, don't do that.
I mean, I think that's a lot worse than Donald Trump calling someone frumpy or fat or look at that face or something.
You cannot win by attacking the leader.
You cannot win by attacking the leader.
The only way you can win if there's someone so far out ahead is to get out ahead of the guy who's ahead.
In other words, find an issue that Donald Trump has to prevaricate on, that he has to be a wimp on, and seize that issue and bring it to the American public.
And that issue is the Federal Reserve.
The American public, I'm not saying all of them, right, and I know we have our view from the show that we do, the American public is really interested in the Federal Reserve.
And there are a lot of knowledgeable people out there.
I mean, his father has written entire books on this that have been read by hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people.
Well, why was his father so popular?
It's because he was one of the people that was talking about this stuff.
He needs to get out ahead and he needs to say, we need to talk about, and he needs to do this in a debate.
We need to talk about the Federal Reserve.
You know, if I were there, I'd have said, basically, I can't believe that we are talking about vaccinations.
I can't believe that we have intelligent, educated, experienced people up here in terms of national politics.
And we're talking about medical policies, medical discredited medical policies and procedures like vaccinations causing autism.
How about the fact that we can only have all these wars and we have all of this debt because of the federal goddamn reserve?
Because we have no control over our currency because the people are bought and sold like chicks at a chicken farm.
Because we have this bizarre drug that we can expand the power of the state without raising the taxes directly of the people, where the power of the state is completely decoupled from the control of the people.
And we're out here talking about climate change and what we'll do if we get mad at Putin and what we'll do with vaccines.
And who will put on the $10 bill?
Yeah, we are not talking about...
The foundation of the expansion of imperial power in the empire at the moment, which is fiat currency, less than 100 years old, already caused more than two world wars.
This is the foundation of why the American public is so disconnected from politics.
because the politicians can do whatever they want without having to raise people's taxes because they borrow, they put all of these bonds out there and they print money, which shows up 18 months later as inflation and not one person in a thousand knows where it came from and certainly not among the poor who were the hardest hit by it.
So let's put all this bullshit aside and let's talk about what actually matters in this country, which is the control of the currency, the control of the people and the end of the republic.
Yep, absolutely.
I'd like to see Rand Paul doing well talking about these ideas on a grand stage with 25 million people watching.
I mean, that would be fantastic.
Because people would go like, whoa, Federal Reserve, gold standard, click, click, click, right?
I mean, he's got nothing to lose.
The only way to beat Trump is you've got to – the way that Trump is beating everyone is with immigration, and Trump is harder on immigration than everyone else.
So you've got to go on something that even Donald Trump is uncomfortable with.
That's the Federal Reserve.
That's your only chance.
Does it mean you win?
I doubt it, but – You sure as hell aren't going to lose for sure, like what's happening.
And that would be my advice to him.
What a fantastic situation.
You're in front of 25 fucking million people.
25 million people.
You can talk to them about fiat currency and the Federal Reserve.
And you won't get the whole point across because you got 60 seconds if you're lucky before Carly Fiorina jumps in your ear ball.
She erupted like I think nine times someone was counting.
She won.
Yeah, I saw the chart.
She won the interruption contest.
But you got 25 or 30 million people and tens of millions more who were going to – what a chance to bring this to the light.
And I'd say, look, you're not going to understand the whole issue.
Just Google, Federal Reserve, gold standard, fiat currency, understand our entire system is built on debt, slavery, and exploitation, and if we're not talking about that, we're not talking about anything.
Oh, we got served up the perfect opportunity with that.
Who do you want to see in the $10 bill question at the end, too?
Yep.
Perfect opportunity to talk about it.
Also, he went back and forth with Christie regarding medical marijuana and the federal versus state rights when it comes to drug enforcement.
And that was something that I'm surprised no one pressed Trump on.
Trump didn't comment on that issue in the confines of the debate.
And I know his brother died of alcoholism, and he's very anti-drug and anti-alcohol.
He's a total teetotaler because of that.
And I know in the past that he has given some vague—and at past, I don't mean within this election cycle.
I mean, like, years ago, he talked something about drug legalization.
I mean, I— God, talk to him on that.
You want to talk about states' rights versus the federal stuff?
Trump is the most militaristic president that they'll ever be.
He's obviously someone who's for a lot of federal power and a lot of power in the presidency.
So maybe you could have went states' rights versus federal government rights with Trump.
At least that's something that you have a really good argument to make regarding as opposed to you declared bankruptcy or whatever the hell happened.
I mean, that's...
You know, it's frustrating to see people that do have some interesting things to say, to add to the national discussion, that aren't learning from their mistakes.
I mean, every single person that has attacked Trump with the, like, you know, he's not a conservative, he's been a Democrat, their numbers have plummeted, plummeted.
You know, like, that doesn't work right now.
Have you seen Carson attack Trump a lot?
Carson's danced around any potential criticism of Trump, because if you're not going to beat him, at least angle for a VP spot.
Yeah, and he actually did slip up.
He was asked recently, like, what differentiates you from Donald Trump?
And he said something to the effect of, like, well, I'm...
I'm religious.
The way he said it, it was kind of insulting, saying, I'm really religious, Donald Trump.
Well, not so much.
It was more plain in Ben Carson-speak than that, but it's kind of an offensive thing to say to somebody without any evidence, because I think Trump respondents said, I don't really know Ben Carson.
He doesn't know me.
He doesn't know my religious beliefs.
What's he commenting on this for?
But other than that, he hasn't said anything negative, and he's doing great.
This guy's popular for a reason.
Try to understand why and make that work for you.
There's certainly things that people like Rand Paul could bring to this discussion on such a big stage.
It isn't happening, and it's frustrating to see as someone who would like some of these conversations to take place.
Well, yeah, and this...
This idea, somebody needs to bring this up.
Boy, if you really want to get...
I tell you, only in Washington and only among politicians do people say things like, America needs to be the world's leader.
And what happens is people feel their financial scrotum shivel up and crawl back up their spine.
How much is this going to cost me?
Yeah, like whenever, you know, do I just like fucking cut out my kidney and mail it to you now?
Like, do I just put my kid in a blender and send you the bucket?
Because when the politicians get all grandiose about, we're the shining city on the hill, we've got to show the world, lead the world and be the world's leader and the world's policeman and it's just like, oh fuck, stop!
Stop!
We have 18 trillion dollars of debt in America, they would say.
We have trillions of dollars of unfunded liabilities.
The world is going in the shitter and we've kind of been on this gig for the last 70 years, right?
We've kind of been doing this for the last 70 plus years.
And this is how it's ended up.
You know, Europe is racked with debt and the demography and reproduction rates are falling apart.
Islam is aggressively expanding.
The Middle East has been wildly destabilized.
Africa still remains a crap hole of infinite mess.
And, you know, maybe we've got to stop.
Maybe we've got to start solving problems at home.
Maybe we've got to start spending all this money on foreign wars and a massive military and massive intervention all over the place.
Maybe we've got to stop spending so much money on foreign policy.
Maybe.
Because your grandiosity It's literally killing us financially, emotionally, and physically.
So this, you know, America's got to be the world's leader.
Your insane megalomania is creating oceans of blood to sweep and surge back and forth across the world, and it's time to stop.
Yep.
Beautifully put.
And nobody's going to make that speech, because I don't know why.
I mean, isn't this an obvious thing?
I know that...
Rand Paul and Ron Paul are, Ron Paul in particular, very non-interventionist.
And very, you know, yeah, let's be isolationist.
I like that.
That sounds wonderful.
Because out there, be mess, right?
I mean, if there are tigers outside the house, I'm happy to be an isolationist inside my house.
And the idea that somehow they're leading...
I think Americans are so unbelievably empire-weary.
And that is such a powerful, hot issue.
And again, if I were Rand Paul, I'd be hitting the Federal Reserve, but I'd really be hitting the empire weirdness.
Americans are so exhausted and beaten up.
And this happened late in the European empires as well.
People are just so heartily sick of the empire and the grandiosity and megalomania.
And people don't mind an empire if there are some benefits.
If they have a job.
Or if they're even willing to say, okay, like we did this presentation, it's still going to come out on colonialism.
Okay, I'll pay 25% more taxes for the empire, but at least we're making the world a better place.
At least Africa's becoming civilized.
At least the Middle East is becoming more peaceful.
At least we did actually achieve democracy from trillions of dollars of blood and treasure in Iraq.
But what's happening now is the morality of the empire doesn't even stand the most casual of scrutinies.
The sustainability and virtue of the empire has completely fallen apart.
That's because of the internet and because of people like us and people who work very hard to bring the correct information to people, the actual facts.
It's not going through the media filter.
People are so empire exhausted.
They are burned out on leading the world because all that happens is, you know, the leader...
They don't get a pat on the back, they get an arrow up the ass.
And they're just so weary of it.
And these guys, they just, I think that was the most out of touch.
And to Donald Trump's credit, I mean, he wasn't, you know, thump, thump, thump, let's go take on the world.
But I think people are radically underestimating.
I think they think they need to beat their chests, but I think that's so last century, or at least since the crash in particular, and the unprocessed, unbelievable disaster of America in the Middle East.
This has been the most disastrous intervention the Middle East has seen in over 100 years, and Lord knows there's been a few.
And this absolutely unprocessed, everyone's just keeping moving forward, like it's only been two or three years since the Of that section of the world has turned into a literally genocidal, murderous crap pit of the ninth layer of hell,
and that is so unprocessed, and I think that a real politician, a real leader, could help the people process that and say, hey, I wasn't responsible for it, but we really need to look at what happened, and we need to stop this from happening again, and there's no way to do that without staying home.
And you know, speaking of which, that's another thing that wasn't brought up.
Everything's happening in the Middle East right now.
It's happening in Germany, the migrant crisis.
Kind of a topical, relevant question to ask these guys and Carly.
And no, no, no one asked about it, but we heard about vaccines.
We didn't hear about female...
And medical marijuana?
This is some huge issue.
Well, let me just get to say this vaccine point.
We're talking about vaccines and we're not even talking about how SSRI usage amongst pregnant women seems to have a link to increased rates of autism.
That's something you don't hear talked about much at all.
And no one on the stage brought it up.
But that's something that might be worth getting out in front of 25 million people.
That didn't happen.
And no talk about the migrant crisis.
And do you know why they won't talk about SSRIs?
Because...
If they do, they will never be allowed on a network again.
Well, and a lot of these guys directly.
Actually, I read some stuff that Carson actually has received quite a bit of money from pharmaceutical companies as far as backing his campaign, and I'm sure he's not the only one that's getting a lot of pharmaceutical company money for donations.
And just for those who don't know what I meant by that, because it was a bit of an oblique comment, billions of dollars are spent by pharmaceutical companies advertising mind-altering drugs, the SSRIs, the psychotropics, Yeah, I was watching the CNN online stream, so I didn't see the commercials, but I imagine there was probably a few pharmaceutical commercials.
were paying their, I read, $150,000 and up for a 30-second spot for this thing.
You know, probably a few pharmaceutical companies buying those ads and putting money in the coffers of CNN.
They don't want to piss those people off.
So that's most of what I wanted to say.
Again, I thought it was too long.
And it is kind of fragmented and a bit schizophrenic.
You know, it's like trying to look at a beautiful painting through a kaleidoscope.
You just can't.
I'm not saying that the thoughts were a beautiful painting.
It's just trying to focus on anything.
When there's some glass-shy kaleidoscope going around your eyeball, it does get a little frustrating.
But I'm certainly glad that I watched it.
It's very illuminating to see the zeitgeist of where the Republican Party is and what's going on in people's minds.
Before we close up, there's a couple people that we haven't talked about much that I just want to give the general thoughts on.
I'd be curious how you guys experienced them during the debate.
I thought Ted Cruz from a mainstream performance level did really well.
I think he kind of owned most of the debate with his answers.
Very polished, very You know, the quote, presidential term.
I thought it kind of faded into the background in some of the previous ones, and I know he's been a lot of people's favorite.
And I thought he did really good tonight as far as getting his points across and really, you know, making good use of the time he was afforded.
Yeah, I thought he was okay.
A bit too polished for me.
I thought Cruz's passion was...
Sorry, Rubio's passion was really good.
Well, with Rubio, the problem is every story that he has starts with, you know, my mother was him, my father was him, my great-grandparents was him.
My father, the only Hispanic who liked Reagan.
I get it.
Your family has a history.
Can we hear some more stories?
He's also incredibly polished.
I mean, him and Carly as well, it's just like, okay, now we're getting on talking point time.
I've rehearsed this in front of a mirror 40,000 times.
Jeb, you'd see Jeb kind of falling into that as well, in between bursts of him just being horrifically nervous and kind of stumbling over himself.
I think that's aggressive at times too, but anyway...
He's like that teacher who seems really nice, but you're still afraid to ask for an extension.
You just don't know if he's going to...
Anyway.
The most human that he's looked in this entire thing, and he hasn't looked a whole lot of human, was that joke about smoking pot and his mom not liking it.
It's like, wow, you seem like an actual human being with that conversation.
That's...
He seemed quite human when he got offended by the comments made towards George W. He got really annoyed.
Don't talk about my brother!
I'll beat you up!
In a sort of 12-year-old kind of way.
It's a bad idea for him to refer to George W. as his brother and his father and his brother and his father.
I just think that is not what the American public wants to hear because it just reminds everyone that he's such a consummate insider.
They called him the elephant in the room.
You know, your brother, the elephant in the room.
It's why he's using Jeb!
on all his campaign materials and Bush is nowhere to be seen.
It's like, wow, you're part of a political dynasty and you don't want to use your last name.
Bush is nowhere to be seen.
Does he think he's campaigning in Brazil?
Anyway, come on.
That was a good one.
And I always in these things get a kick out of Huckabee.
I mean, like, Huckabee's always around.
It seems like he's been in, like, every presidential election until the dawn of time.
And he always comes out with his Southern folksy preacher comedy routine.
And, you know, probably not a good use of time overall for the Republican Party to be having Huckabee, who's never going to win anything and doesn't poll at all well.
He's that Slope Show to Deputy Dog guy, right?
Yeah.
That's Deputy Dog, yes.
I think he's the cheerleader amongst you.
Who is the douchebag?
I can't even remember who it was.
Was it Rubio?
The ultimate douchebag who started off by saying, Oh, I've heard that in California there was a water crisis, a water shortage, so I brought my own bottle of water.
Rubio, holy tone deaf, oh my god, you know.
I thought it was a funeral, so I bought my own little coffin in case any small people died.
Oh my god.
Please.
Please.
Who's advising these people in writing their comedy?
Just don't.
Oh my god.
Don't do it.
Don't do it.
I thought, I heard you were fighting zombies, so I bought a bucket of dead flesh.
I think he should fire whoever wrote that joke.
And if it was himself, just don't.
Don't even.
Oh man.
I brought my own water.
Because nothing says funny like crippling drought and dying economies and dead farms and despairing people.
Okay, off Rubio in the water.
There's one guy that I don't think we've even mentioned his name in this entire conversation, which is illustrative of just how useless he was.
Well, Huckabee?
No, I just brought up Huckabee, Deputy Dog.
I'm sorry.
Well, I never can remember that guy's name.
He's just Ohio governor.
No, he's not who I'm talking about.
Scott Walker.
Scott Walker, who was supposed to be doing it.
I mean, people were very excited about Scott Walker and his candidacy.
And, you know, frankly, I'm kind of interested in Scott Walker just from the sense that he actually did have the cojones to stand up to the teachers union in Wisconsin, which...
You know, that was a huge news story at the time and, you know, took some significant stones.
It's like, okay, you're standing up to the teachers' union and saying no mas, you know, that's, you know, kudos to you.
There's not many people willing to take those bullets and do that kind of stuff.
But oh my god, has he been completely irrelevant?
And I can't remember a single thing that he said.
He completely faded into the background, the entire conversation.
His numbers are in the toilet.
Why did he even bother?
I don't know who's advising him or what his thought process is, but the guy's been such a non-entity.
Initially, people were talking like he might actually take the thing.
Well, I think what happens is that when people start to lose, they start to panic, and when they start to panic, they think that playing it safe is the way to stay in the race, and that is absolutely not the case.
If you're behind in a running race, Keeping a steady pace just means you lose even more.
You absolutely have to grit your teeth and give it everything you've got.
Maybe he's biding his time for the next one or whatever it is.
I don't know if the dean's scream made everyone afraid to show passion or something, but you need to just get yourself an issue.
Donald Trump did it.
How did he blow himself into the national prominence?
By talking about immigration.
And there's tons of stuff that the American people are desperate to talk about that people aren't talking about.
Like, how about the fact that there's no money in Social Security?
I'm sorry?
It's not like there's a whole lot of politicians that have been giving the voters what they said they give them and what they've wanted over the course of the years, which is why we have anti-establishment candidates doing so well.
There's lots of stuff you can pick from.
Pick it out of a hat.
Pick an issue.
Pick something that's going to resonate with the American people.
Yeah, there's lots of issues that they could take.
They need to take an issue, and as I said, they need to take an issue that either Donald Trump is weak...
In that he's been compromised in some manner in the past, or he himself is afraid to go full-tilt boogie on.
And you need to grab that, and you need to give it all you've got.
Will that be the end of your political career if it doesn't work out?
I don't know, maybe.
Maybe they're just addicted to power, and they'd just rather stay somewhere near the circle of power than go for the gold.
But to me, if you're in the presidential race, you better be going for the gold.
And if you're not losing, you need to bring a hell of a lot more to the game.
And this idea of playing it safe, and maybe you'll get something in...
You know, you'll be head of some department or some ministry or maybe you'll save it for next time or whatever.
I mean, that's why I'm not in politics for that and six million other reasons.
But I just would not be able, like, you've just got to go all the way, give it everything you've got.
And if you're behind someone who's beating you, you have to find something that they're vulnerable on.
I don't quite understand.
And to stick with the running race analogy, if you're a Rand Paul, please don't try to trip the leader.
That's not going to win you the medal.
It's just going to get disqualified.
Trump is loved.
I don't know if these guys do not understand how unbelievably desperate the American population has become.
They feel the dream completely slipping away.
They feel the republic completely slipping away.
The country is turning into something they don't recognize.
They don't know what the future of their children is going to be.
These guys are all fine.
They're all wealthy.
They're all powerful.
Their kids are going to be fine.
They're in their gated communities.
They don't know how desperate the American people have become and how much they view Donald Trump as their salvation.
And to attack...
The doctor who you think is going to make your kids live is not how you're going to endear yourself to the parents.
Oh, he's done for after this.
Oh, like, this is in no way meant to characterize anything to do with the American election.
But one thing that struck me in sort of the study of the rise of Nazism, I know, it's a ridiculous analogy, no, and it's nothing to do, it's just what people need to understand.
This is infinitely far down the road of where Americans are.
But Hitler killed people and got elected.
Right?
So, when people get desperate enough, there's nothing that you can throw at the person they think is their savior that will ever stop them.
Like, when they're that desperate, you know?
Like, literally, it's like, your kid is going to die.
This is the only doctor in the world.
Who can save your kid, but, you know, he might be a pedophile.
Be like, well, sorry about the pedophile thing.
Please save my child.
You know, and again, that's nothing to do with American politics.
It's just they don't understand how desperate the American people are, how much they are begging for some salvation from politics as usual.
And attacking the person that Americans genuinely believe will save the republic and save their futures is absolutely not the right thing to do.
You need to be even more of a savior in that.
But this is, you know, nobody's going to listen to me because I'm an anarchist, whatever.
But that's the reality as I see it.
All right, closing thing, guys.
Do you have any predictions, like what's going to happen moving forward coming out of this debate?
Is anyone going to rise?
Anyone going to fall?
Any big fallout?
I think Trump's going to hold steady.
I think Trump's so far out ahead that he doesn't need to do a lot of risks, and he didn't take a lot of risks in this.
I think he's a smart enough businessman to know that if you're winning, just keep doing what you're doing.
And so I think his big surprises are behind him for the moment.
If he starts to lose his edge, then he'll bring out some more surprises.
But if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
He didn't keep shaking up The Apprentice every year because it was doing so well.
And so I think Trump's going to keep doing what he's doing.
I think he's ahead.
And I don't think anyone's particularly going to I think in the long run, we're probably going to see a Trump-Carson ticket.
That would be my guess, just based on the numbers.
And I think that unless something really surprising happens, which is sort of a useless thing to say, because that's always the case, but I think that it's likely that Trump is going to take the presidency next year.
My predictions coming out of this is I think Carson's support is going to decrease following this debate, and I think Cruz is going to move up quite a bit in the polls.
I think Carly might start moving up a bit in the polls as well.
She was good at doing what it is she does.
I don't know the degree that there's going to be a lot of people interested in her as a candidate, but for what she is, the type of candidate that she is, she's very good at it, I will say.
Agreed.
But yeah, I think Walker's going to completely vanish.
Rubio was pretty nondescript.
Rand Paul, I mean, I'm curious to see if the talk about the drug stuff does anything with his numbers.
I mean, Christie's a non-entity, and Bush is just, I mean, it's, yeah, Jeb Bush ain't happening, folks.
I was going to say that.
Any predictions or story?
I agree with you, Mike.
I was actually going to bring that up.
I think Ted Cruz actually did the best.
Well, he was certainly at the top in this presidential debate.
He was certainly the person I found most enjoyable to listen to and most engaging.
He hid his messages and he didn't attack Trump.
And, you know, that seems to be a losing proposition.
People that attack Trump just go down.
So he was...
And he didn't give the scripted replies either like Mr.
Robert Jeb himself did.
And that was quite appealing.
He delivered it with a lot of passion too.
And I think he will move up the polls.
I think Ben Carson was fairly boring.
We made fun of him earlier.
And I think that will cost him a little bit, but probably not too much because he was still very respectful of Trump, which seems to be the ticket up.
And I agree with you.
I think Rand Paul is done for.
He is absolutely done for.
Yeah, I can't imagine we're going to see Rand Paul and Huckabee and some of these.
At some point, they've got to start filtering down the number of candidates they allow on the stage.
Yeah.
now when it comes to percentages, Christie's probably gone.
And, you know, we've had two Republican debates so far.
Maybe we'll get a Democrat presidential debate, you know, if they let Hillary out of whatever broom closet she's trapped in.
I think that might actually be occurring in October.
I don't know off the top of my head, but we'll cover that as well.
If you folks enjoy this and want to hear more of these types of discussions, I don't know.
It's sitting through three hours was pretty tedious.
I don't know that I'd want to do that, but it's indicative of some of the things that we've had.
You have to.
I mean, if you're going to cover it, you gotta, right?
Well, they didn't even tell me ahead of time it was three hours.
I'm like, oh, it'll be two hours, maybe 90 minutes or something.
I think the Fox one was two hours.
And then it's like, we're still going.
What's happening here?
And maybe at some point someone will start talking about the deficit.
We'll see.
It won't happen in the Democrats.
I was told for two hours and they brought up domestic issues.
Oh, now they're going to talk about that.
No, they didn't.
Maybe Romney's going to come in and really, you know...
We'll see.
Well, so let's...
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What's going on?
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