Skeptoid #267: Zeno's Paradoxes
Greek philosopher Zeno apparently proved that movement was impossible with a few simple paradoxes. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices
Greek philosopher Zeno apparently proved that movement was impossible with a few simple paradoxes. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices
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Zeno's Paradoxes Explained
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| A paradox is a statement that seems to be inherently self-contradictory. | |
| That is, when we observe that something appears to be some way, even though its very nature makes it impossible to be like that. | |
| Now, if that isn't already confusing enough, we're going to deconstruct the most famous paradoxes in history. | |
| And they come from a Greek philosopher named Zeno. | |
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| Zeno's Paradoxes. | |
| Even if you think you haven't heard of them by name, you'll recognize them. | |
| The most familiar of Zeno's paradoxes states that I can't walk over to you because I first have to get halfway there. | |
| And once I do, I still have to cover half the remaining distance. | |
| And once I get there, I have to cover half of that remaining distance. | |
| Ad infinitum. | |
| There are an infinite number of halfway points. | |
| And so according to logic, I'll never be able to get there. | |
| But it's easy to prove this false by simply doing it, which we can all do. | |
| So we have a paradox, a contradiction, something that must be true, but which clearly is not. | |
| Does there exist a solution which adequately addresses the contradicting phenomena? | |
| Some say there is, some say there is not. | |
| Zeno of Elea was a Greek philosopher born about 490 BCE and was a devotee of Parmenides, founder of the Eleatic School of Thought in what is now southern Italy. | |
| Zeno survives as a character in Plato's dialogue titled Parmenides. | |
| And from this we know what the Eleatic school was about and where Zeno was coming from with his paradoxes. | |
| Parmenides taught, in part, that the physical world as we perceive it is an illusion and that the only thing that actually exists is a perpetual unchanging whole that he called one being. | |
| What we perceive as movement is not physical movement at all, just different interpretations or appearances of the one being. | |
| Personally, I think they smoked a lot of weed at the Eleatic school, but Zeno was into this and came up with his paradoxes in order to support Parmenides' view of the world. | |
| Zeno's paradoxes were intended to prove that movement must be impossible. | |
| Therefore, Parmenides must be right. | |
| He's believed to have developed a total of about nine such paradoxes, but they were never published. | |
| The most famous and interesting are his three paradoxes of motion. | |
| First is the paradox of Achilles and the tortoise, who contrived to have a foot race. | |
| Achilles, knowing he was the swifter, gave the tortoise a 100-meter head start. | |
| In the time that it took Achilles to travel the 100 meters, the tortoise moved 10, so that when Achilles got there, he found the tortoise still had a lead. | |
| In the time it took Achilles to run those 10, the tortoise moved another meter. | |
| No matter how many times Achilles advanced to the tortoise's last position, the tortoise had crept forward a bit more by the time he got there. | |
| Even though Achilles would seem to be the faster runner, it was impossible for him to ever catch the tortoise. | |
| Second and most famous is the so-called dichotomy paradox, in which we repeatedly rend in twain every distance to be traveled. | |
| For Homer to walk to the bus stop, he must get halfway there. | |
| Once arrived, he must travel half the remaining distance, and so on and so on. | |
| With one-eighth of the distance remaining, then one-sixteenth, then one-thirty-second, then one-sixty-fourth, he will have an infinite supply of remaining distances to travel, and thus can never arrive at the stop. | |
| The third is the paradox of the Fletcher, who finds that all of his arrows are unable to move at all. | |
| At any given instant in time, the arrow is motionless in flight. | |
| During that frozen moment, the arrow cannot move at all, since it has no time in which to do it. | |
| Time consists of an infinite succession of moments, in each of which the arrow is unable to move. | |
| Nowhere can we find a given instant in which the arrow has time to move, and so no matter how many such instants we have, the arrow can neither fly nor fall to the ground. | |
| Zeno's paradoxes are often touted by some people as evidence that physics or science are wrong. | |
| If an ancient Greek philosopher can describe a simple situation, which our intuition tells us is obviously correct, it's easy for us to assign it more significance than we do the confusing jumble that is modern science. | |
| Why should we listen to Einstein, who gives us a lot of unfathomable equations, when Zeno's elegant fables prove that the physical world is not as science tells us it should be? | |
| Given this line of reasoning, it's hardly surprising that Zeno has become something of a darling to some New Age supporters of a spiritual, not a physical, universe. | |
| Famously, upon hearing the paradoxes, a fellow philosopher named Diogenes the Cynic simply stood up, walked around, and sat back down again. | |
| My kind of guy. | |
| His response may have been glib, but it elegantly refuted Zeno's claim. | |
| At least it refuted the physical implications of the claim. | |
| It did not address the philosophical aspects, nor did it provide the mathematical solutions. | |
| Zeno's paradoxes are an interesting intersection between mathematics and philosophy. | |
| Mathematically, it's trivial to calculate exactly when and where Achilles will overtake the tortoise, but the philosophical argument remains, apparently, intractable. | |
| Bertrand Russell described the paradoxes as immeasurably subtle and profound. | |
| So philosophers have come up with some pretty interesting efforts to try and resolve this. | |
| One such tactic concerns the Planck length, which is the smallest possible unit of length within the Planck system. | |
| Planck units are all based on universal physical constants, such as the speed of light and the gravitational constant. | |
| Philosophically, it's reasonably accurate to describe the Planck length as a quanta of distance, the smallest possible unit. | |
| This means that there are a finite number of Planck lengths, albeit a staggeringly large number of them, along the racetrack of Achilles and the tortoise, and between Homer and the bus stop. | |
| There cannot be an infinite number of points, and so Homer will eventually be able to arrive. | |
| However, while this sounds like it might elegantly solve the paradox, it doesn't. | |
| It's not possible to force a quantum solution onto a geometric problem. | |
| A simple illustration of why this is so is to imagine a very small right triangle with its two equal sides each of one Planck length. | |
| The hypotenuse would have to be the square root of two Planck lengths, which is not possible. | |
| Planck doesn't apply here. | |
| Despite efforts to conclude otherwise, we are dealing with infinities here. | |
| Or are we? | |
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| Intuitively, we understand 0.99999 repeating to be a value that forever approaches 1 but never quite gets there. | |
| This is fine as a concept and a thought experiment, but it is mathematically wrong. | |
| 0.9 does in fact equal 1. | |
| They are simply two different ways of writing the same value. | |
| It's easy to prove this to most people's satisfaction by dividing both values by 3. | |
| Both 1 divided by 3 and point repeating 9 divided by 3 equal point repeating 3. | |
| Therefore, both are equal to each other. | |
| Another way of looking at it is to consider the fraction 1 9th, which is equal to 0.Repeating 1. | |
| 2 9ths is equal to 0.Repeating 2, and so on, all the way up to 8 ninths equals point repeating 8, and 9 9ths equals 0.Repeating 9. | |
| And we all know that 9 9ths equals 1. | |
| When we divide the number 1 into 9 equal slices, that top slice goes all the way up to exactly 1, a finite and reachable number. | |
| If this spins your brain inside its skull, realize that you already accept many other interpretations of the same idea. | |
| Consider any other number whose decimal value is an infinite repeating series, say 3 sevenths. | |
| It equals point repeating 428571. | |
| And we all accept that it equals 3 sevenths, not a number approaching 3 sevenths, but that never quite gets there. | |
| It's two ways of writing the same thing. | |
| It's the same concept when Homer takes his final step and places his foot down, completing his journey to the bus stop. | |
| He did not take a journey of infinite length. | |
| we can write an equation that describes how his final step consists of an infinitely reiterating series of smaller and smaller fractions, just as Zeno said. | |
| And that equation would be described as the summation of n from 1 to infinity of 1 over 2 to the nth power. | |
| We in the Brotherhood call this an absolutely converging series. | |
| And contrary to Zeno's understanding, it equals 1. | |
| Another popularly proposed solution, particularly for the Fletcher's paradox, involves time and speed. | |
| Zeno, charges his critics, only considered the distances and geometry involved, and since he left time out of his paradoxes completely, he also excluded speed, since speed is a function of distance and time. | |
| When a body is in motion, its position is always changing. | |
| Motion is fluid. | |
| It is not a ratcheted series of jumping from point to point. | |
| Consequently, at any given moment in time, a moving body has no single exact position. | |
| Zeno's conjecture that the arrow is always frozen at some point cannot be observed, reproduced, or computed, since that's not the way things move. | |
| Imagine taking a photograph of a moving object. | |
| There will always be some motion blur. | |
| No matter how fast is the shutter of your camera, even infinitesimally fast, there will always be some tiny amount of blur. | |
| There is no such thing as a moving arrow frozen in time. | |
| Similarly, Zeno's computation that Achilles will never catch the tortoise also omits time. | |
| Zeno's premise assumes that each segment of the race, wherein Achilles advances to the tortoise's previous position, takes some amount of time. | |
| And since there's an infinite number of such segments, it will take Achilles an infinite amount of time. | |
| This is also wrong. | |
| As the physical length of each segment decreases exponentially in a converging series, so does the time it takes Achilles to traverse it. | |
| Achilles' time to catch the tortoise is represented by a converging series that equals a finite number. | |
| Achilles will catch the tortoise because the very succession of segments proposed by Zeno add up to a finite distance that Achilles will cover in a finite amount of time. | |
| Homer will reach the bus stop because all of those infinitely compounding fractional segments are an absolutely converging series equal to a finite distance. | |
| The Fletcher's arrow is always in motion once it is shot. | |
| At no instant in time is it ever frozen with a fixed position from which it has no time to move. | |
| So to summarize Zeno's paradoxes, they're basically word games that play upon an easily misunderstood mathematical concept. | |
| There is no paradox because Zeno's math was wrong. | |
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