Skeptoid - Skeptoid #267: Zeno's Paradoxes Aired: 2011-07-19 Duration: 16:19 === Zeno's Paradoxes Explained (08:04) === [00:00:03] A paradox is a statement that seems to be inherently self-contradictory. [00:00:08] That is, when we observe that something appears to be some way, even though its very nature makes it impossible to be like that. [00:00:16] Now, if that isn't already confusing enough, we're going to deconstruct the most famous paradoxes in history. [00:00:22] And they come from a Greek philosopher named Zeno. [00:00:27] That's coming up next on Skeptoid. [00:00:33] Hi, I'm Alex Goldman. [00:00:35] You may know me as the host of Reply All, but I'm done with that. [00:00:39] I'm doing something else now. [00:00:41] I've started a new podcast called Hyperfixed. [00:00:43] On every episode of Hyperfixed, listeners write in with their problems and I try to solve them. [00:00:48] Some massive and life-altering, and some so minuscule it'll boggle your mind. [00:00:52] No matter the problem, no matter the size, I'm here for you. [00:00:56] That's Hyperfixed, the new podcast from Radiotopia. [00:00:59] Find it wherever you listen to podcasts or at hyperfixedpod.com. [00:01:09] You're listening to Skeptoid. [00:01:10] I'm Brian Dunning from skeptoid.com. [00:01:14] Zeno's Paradoxes. [00:01:17] Even if you think you haven't heard of them by name, you'll recognize them. [00:01:21] The most familiar of Zeno's paradoxes states that I can't walk over to you because I first have to get halfway there. [00:01:28] And once I do, I still have to cover half the remaining distance. [00:01:31] And once I get there, I have to cover half of that remaining distance. [00:01:35] Ad infinitum. [00:01:36] There are an infinite number of halfway points. [00:01:39] And so according to logic, I'll never be able to get there. [00:01:43] But it's easy to prove this false by simply doing it, which we can all do. [00:01:48] So we have a paradox, a contradiction, something that must be true, but which clearly is not. [00:01:55] Does there exist a solution which adequately addresses the contradicting phenomena? [00:02:00] Some say there is, some say there is not. [00:02:05] Zeno of Elea was a Greek philosopher born about 490 BCE and was a devotee of Parmenides, founder of the Eleatic School of Thought in what is now southern Italy. [00:02:16] Zeno survives as a character in Plato's dialogue titled Parmenides. [00:02:21] And from this we know what the Eleatic school was about and where Zeno was coming from with his paradoxes. [00:02:27] Parmenides taught, in part, that the physical world as we perceive it is an illusion and that the only thing that actually exists is a perpetual unchanging whole that he called one being. [00:02:39] What we perceive as movement is not physical movement at all, just different interpretations or appearances of the one being. [00:02:48] Personally, I think they smoked a lot of weed at the Eleatic school, but Zeno was into this and came up with his paradoxes in order to support Parmenides' view of the world. [00:02:58] Zeno's paradoxes were intended to prove that movement must be impossible. [00:03:03] Therefore, Parmenides must be right. [00:03:08] He's believed to have developed a total of about nine such paradoxes, but they were never published. [00:03:13] The most famous and interesting are his three paradoxes of motion. [00:03:19] First is the paradox of Achilles and the tortoise, who contrived to have a foot race. [00:03:24] Achilles, knowing he was the swifter, gave the tortoise a 100-meter head start. [00:03:30] In the time that it took Achilles to travel the 100 meters, the tortoise moved 10, so that when Achilles got there, he found the tortoise still had a lead. [00:03:39] In the time it took Achilles to run those 10, the tortoise moved another meter. [00:03:44] No matter how many times Achilles advanced to the tortoise's last position, the tortoise had crept forward a bit more by the time he got there. [00:03:53] Even though Achilles would seem to be the faster runner, it was impossible for him to ever catch the tortoise. [00:04:00] Second and most famous is the so-called dichotomy paradox, in which we repeatedly rend in twain every distance to be traveled. [00:04:09] For Homer to walk to the bus stop, he must get halfway there. [00:04:13] Once arrived, he must travel half the remaining distance, and so on and so on. [00:04:18] With one-eighth of the distance remaining, then one-sixteenth, then one-thirty-second, then one-sixty-fourth, he will have an infinite supply of remaining distances to travel, and thus can never arrive at the stop. [00:04:32] The third is the paradox of the Fletcher, who finds that all of his arrows are unable to move at all. [00:04:37] At any given instant in time, the arrow is motionless in flight. [00:04:42] During that frozen moment, the arrow cannot move at all, since it has no time in which to do it. [00:04:48] Time consists of an infinite succession of moments, in each of which the arrow is unable to move. [00:04:55] Nowhere can we find a given instant in which the arrow has time to move, and so no matter how many such instants we have, the arrow can neither fly nor fall to the ground. [00:05:07] Zeno's paradoxes are often touted by some people as evidence that physics or science are wrong. [00:05:13] If an ancient Greek philosopher can describe a simple situation, which our intuition tells us is obviously correct, it's easy for us to assign it more significance than we do the confusing jumble that is modern science. [00:05:26] Why should we listen to Einstein, who gives us a lot of unfathomable equations, when Zeno's elegant fables prove that the physical world is not as science tells us it should be? [00:05:38] Given this line of reasoning, it's hardly surprising that Zeno has become something of a darling to some New Age supporters of a spiritual, not a physical, universe. [00:05:49] Famously, upon hearing the paradoxes, a fellow philosopher named Diogenes the Cynic simply stood up, walked around, and sat back down again. [00:05:59] My kind of guy. [00:06:00] His response may have been glib, but it elegantly refuted Zeno's claim. [00:06:05] At least it refuted the physical implications of the claim. [00:06:08] It did not address the philosophical aspects, nor did it provide the mathematical solutions. [00:06:16] Zeno's paradoxes are an interesting intersection between mathematics and philosophy. [00:06:21] Mathematically, it's trivial to calculate exactly when and where Achilles will overtake the tortoise, but the philosophical argument remains, apparently, intractable. [00:06:32] Bertrand Russell described the paradoxes as immeasurably subtle and profound. [00:06:37] So philosophers have come up with some pretty interesting efforts to try and resolve this. [00:06:43] One such tactic concerns the Planck length, which is the smallest possible unit of length within the Planck system. [00:06:51] Planck units are all based on universal physical constants, such as the speed of light and the gravitational constant. [00:06:58] Philosophically, it's reasonably accurate to describe the Planck length as a quanta of distance, the smallest possible unit. [00:07:07] This means that there are a finite number of Planck lengths, albeit a staggeringly large number of them, along the racetrack of Achilles and the tortoise, and between Homer and the bus stop. [00:07:20] There cannot be an infinite number of points, and so Homer will eventually be able to arrive. [00:07:26] However, while this sounds like it might elegantly solve the paradox, it doesn't. [00:07:31] It's not possible to force a quantum solution onto a geometric problem. [00:07:37] A simple illustration of why this is so is to imagine a very small right triangle with its two equal sides each of one Planck length. [00:07:46] The hypotenuse would have to be the square root of two Planck lengths, which is not possible. [00:07:53] Planck doesn't apply here. [00:07:55] Despite efforts to conclude otherwise, we are dealing with infinities here. [00:08:01] Or are we? === Why Quantum Solutions Fail (06:44) === [00:08:07] In a world that can feel overwhelming, spreading thoughtful, evidence-based content is one of the best ways to make a positive impact. [00:08:14] Ask your local public radio station to air the Skeptoid files, a 30-minute radio-friendly version of Skeptoid that pairs two related episodes promoting real science, true history, and critical thinking. [00:08:28] And in these challenging times for public media, we're offering these broadcasts for free to radio stations, available on the PRX Exchange or directly from Skeptoid Media. 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[00:09:30] Together, get them to air the Skeptoid files from Skeptoid Media, available on the PRX Exchange, and they'll know what that is. [00:09:44] Intuitively, we understand 0.99999 repeating to be a value that forever approaches 1 but never quite gets there. [00:09:55] This is fine as a concept and a thought experiment, but it is mathematically wrong. [00:10:00] 0.9 does in fact equal 1. [00:10:05] They are simply two different ways of writing the same value. [00:10:08] It's easy to prove this to most people's satisfaction by dividing both values by 3. [00:10:14] Both 1 divided by 3 and point repeating 9 divided by 3 equal point repeating 3. [00:10:22] Therefore, both are equal to each other. [00:10:25] Another way of looking at it is to consider the fraction 1 9th, which is equal to 0.Repeating 1. [00:10:32] 2 9ths is equal to 0.Repeating 2, and so on, all the way up to 8 ninths equals point repeating 8, and 9 9ths equals 0.Repeating 9. [00:10:43] And we all know that 9 9ths equals 1. [00:10:46] When we divide the number 1 into 9 equal slices, that top slice goes all the way up to exactly 1, a finite and reachable number. [00:10:57] If this spins your brain inside its skull, realize that you already accept many other interpretations of the same idea. [00:11:04] Consider any other number whose decimal value is an infinite repeating series, say 3 sevenths. [00:11:12] It equals point repeating 428571. [00:11:16] And we all accept that it equals 3 sevenths, not a number approaching 3 sevenths, but that never quite gets there. [00:11:24] It's two ways of writing the same thing. [00:11:28] It's the same concept when Homer takes his final step and places his foot down, completing his journey to the bus stop. [00:11:35] He did not take a journey of infinite length. [00:11:39] we can write an equation that describes how his final step consists of an infinitely reiterating series of smaller and smaller fractions, just as Zeno said. [00:11:50] And that equation would be described as the summation of n from 1 to infinity of 1 over 2 to the nth power. [00:11:59] We in the Brotherhood call this an absolutely converging series. [00:12:03] And contrary to Zeno's understanding, it equals 1. [00:12:09] Another popularly proposed solution, particularly for the Fletcher's paradox, involves time and speed. [00:12:16] Zeno, charges his critics, only considered the distances and geometry involved, and since he left time out of his paradoxes completely, he also excluded speed, since speed is a function of distance and time. [00:12:31] When a body is in motion, its position is always changing. [00:12:35] Motion is fluid. [00:12:36] It is not a ratcheted series of jumping from point to point. [00:12:40] Consequently, at any given moment in time, a moving body has no single exact position. [00:12:48] Zeno's conjecture that the arrow is always frozen at some point cannot be observed, reproduced, or computed, since that's not the way things move. [00:12:58] Imagine taking a photograph of a moving object. [00:13:01] There will always be some motion blur. [00:13:03] No matter how fast is the shutter of your camera, even infinitesimally fast, there will always be some tiny amount of blur. [00:13:12] There is no such thing as a moving arrow frozen in time. [00:13:18] Similarly, Zeno's computation that Achilles will never catch the tortoise also omits time. [00:13:24] Zeno's premise assumes that each segment of the race, wherein Achilles advances to the tortoise's previous position, takes some amount of time. [00:13:33] And since there's an infinite number of such segments, it will take Achilles an infinite amount of time. [00:13:39] This is also wrong. [00:13:40] As the physical length of each segment decreases exponentially in a converging series, so does the time it takes Achilles to traverse it. [00:13:49] Achilles' time to catch the tortoise is represented by a converging series that equals a finite number. [00:13:58] Achilles will catch the tortoise because the very succession of segments proposed by Zeno add up to a finite distance that Achilles will cover in a finite amount of time. [00:14:10] Homer will reach the bus stop because all of those infinitely compounding fractional segments are an absolutely converging series equal to a finite distance. [00:14:22] The Fletcher's arrow is always in motion once it is shot. [00:14:26] At no instant in time is it ever frozen with a fixed position from which it has no time to move. [00:14:32] So to summarize Zeno's paradoxes, they're basically word games that play upon an easily misunderstood mathematical concept. 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