Bill O'Reilly and Jenny Korn dominate the Sean Hannity Show's "High Stakes in China" episode, where O'Reilly details his Politburo-facilitated trip and warns that while Xi Jinping seeks mutual legacy with Trump, China may exploit Taiwan's semiconductor value for a hybrid invasion. The discussion shifts to White House faith director Jenny Korn promoting a May 17th National Mall event celebrating the republic's 250th anniversary under God, sparking a debate on church-state separation versus historical roots in the Great Awakening. Ultimately, the segment juxtaposes geopolitical maneuvering with spiritual rededication, suggesting that American resilience relies on divine origins rather than political compromise. [Automatically generated summary]
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China's Hidden Oil Agenda00:14:49
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He's visited China many times himself, and his message of the day today is high stakes in play.
It's a fascinating commentary at billoreilly.com, and he is here today to share that with us.
Welcome, Bill O'Reilly.
Thanks for having me, Rose.
How are you?
Oh, I'm great.
I'm so glad I have an opportunity to talk to you.
I was listening to what you had to say about your. last trip to China last year.
And you said that the Chinese invited you personally to come out and visit with them.
And then you told us that China wanted to talk to you before the president arrived.
How was this kind of access established between you and China?
Through Harvard.
So I'm an alumni, and Harvard does tens of millions of dollars worth of business with China.
And the Politburo over there watches me on YouTube.
YouTube has changed the way all commentary is delivered, as you know, Rose.
And they know that I know Donald Trump for 35 years.
So they wanted to get an inside view of the man.
And that's why they invited me.
Now, I paid my own way.
I don't take any money from anybody.
And I did run it by President Trump before I accepted the invitation because that's my duty as a citizen.
I can't be just gallivanting around, inserting myself into government issues.
But he was fine with it.
And then today, actually, I had another call with the Chinese as the president gets on his plane to go over to Beijing.
And the situation has changed than what it was one year ago, particularly with Iran.
Yeah.
You know, this is amazing because you have an opportunity that not many, in fact, I can't even think of someone right now off the top of my head, actually have.
To be that go-between is astounding.
And I'm sure you feel very honored to have that.
It's mixed emotion.
We researched it.
Nobody's ever done this as far as being a journalist and then a diplomat, if you want to use that word.
It's not often applied to me in the United States, but China's a different culture.
So they're probably more used to robust behavior than here.
But it's a very, very tight rope.
And my job is to represent my country.
I mean, what the Chinese wanted when we spent three hours with them last time around was, look, if we do this, what will President Trump do?
And I was able to provide pretty good analysis of that.
This time around, it was, what the deuce are you doing in Iran?
And I said, you'll have to ask the president.
That's not my.
See, I don't know.
I don't get the daily and tell briefings.
I do know that this is a country that causes disorder.
And I use that word because that's the worst thing you can do to the Chinese is cause disorder.
That's for business.
They don't want it.
And I dropped that today.
so that they would know there was a reason that the United States has tried to neutralize the government of Iran.
All right, so they bring up Iran, and you just did.
And I've got to ask you, would they really want to provide help or assistance in any way where Iran is concerned?
Because we know that they receive their gas, their oil from Iran.
We would have to encourage them to look elsewhere or receive it from elsewhere.
Do you really feel that they would want to help us?
Because in the past, Bill, I've read about the unholy alliance, if you will, between North Korea, China, Russia, Iran.
How much can we really depend on them to help us where that is concerned?
Well, nobody can answer the question now whether China is going to help the United States with the Iranian thing, but there's certainly an incentive to do that.
If China helps you, they're going to want something.
Yeah.
And what they want is a dialogue on Taiwan.
He is crazy about it.
It's a crazy issue on Taiwan.
It's almost like Trump in the border.
And they want the United States to sanction the opening of talks or whatever you want to label it about Taiwan.
If they got that assurance, they might very well help with the Iranians because the Iranians need China.
As you pointed out, China can buy its oil elsewhere.
You don't have to buy from Iran.
And that's one of the few markets Iran has left.
And the Chinese have a big footprint.
I mean, they help Iran in other ways, too.
Iran doesn't want them to be an enemy.
So all of this is the president is aware of it.
Secretary of State Rubio is aware of it.
They know that once they go over to Beijing, and it's going to be a big dog and pony show, I mean, the Chinese are very happy. that President Trump is going there.
Very happy.
And I expect a positive outcome come Friday, praying for that.
Our country needs some positive stuff.
Whether the Chinese will step up and do anything publicly against Iran, probably not.
But behind the scenes, they could very well help the USA.
But when it comes to Taiwan, though, because that, I mean, that, remains the biggest geopolitical flashpoint in this entire relationship because of what they produce, of course, the massive shares of our semiconductor chips and the world's, I guess.
But I can't imagine that there would be some mutual ground or somewhere we can actually agree with them where Taiwan is concerned.
I've come up with one or two because I knew that was going to be big when I went over to Beijing.
In 2049 is the 100th anniversary of Mao Zedong's Take over.
And he's on the cover of confronting evil, and so is the Ayatollah Khomeini.
So these are not gentle countries that we're dealing with here.
But Taiwan is a place where the Chinese symbolism is very important.
Now, everybody knows that the Taiwanese will fight.
It's not Ukraine.
They're well armed, and it would be a bloodbath for China to go in there.
Everybody also knows if China does that, that they will be a pariah and there'll be economic sanctions all over the place and it will be a disruption of order.
Remember, they don't want that.
So what she is trying to do is just open the possibility that maybe we could have a hybrid.
Maybe we could do this, that, or the other thing, but let's start to chat.
And that does not seem to be unreasonable to me.
But I did suggest to the Chinese today that President Trump is not.
Going to allow Taiwan to go down a drain.
He would be perceived as weak, and that's the worst thing for him.
The worst thing for the Chinese is disorder.
The worst thing for Donald Trump is a perception of weakness.
He's never going to do that.
Well, yeah, and that makes a lot of sense.
So thank you for that.
And so we heard too that the White House has invited major American business leaders like Elon Musk, Tim Cook, Boeing CEO.
So that alone tells us how deeply business and technology.
And even geopolitics are now connected.
So when you look at that and you see that some of the biggest issues on the table right now, I guess, are going to be trade and technology and AI, what do you make of all of that?
What are we expecting by bringing some of these big names and big leaders in industry there?
Well, it wasn't China who wanted those CEOs.
It was the Trump administration.
And it was a very shrewd move because what they're trying to do is bring these guys over.
In a very informal way, it sounds contradictory, but it isn't, to get to know their counterparts in Beijing so that they can put on paper some kind of trade deals that, of course, President Trump would have to okay.
But they want the Chinese to understand that America is open for business.
And that is something the Chinese really respond positively to.
Yeah, because having the presence of those major CEOs, that's huge.
And also, it highlights something like American corporations are, they remain heavily tied to China economically.
But, and this is even while political tensions are always rising, going up and down.
But at the same time, a lot of companies are trying to diversify manufacturing in places like India, Mexico, and Southeast Asia.
I guess it wouldn't hurt to kind of mention that, or I'm sure this administration has, that they want to continue.
to have some sort of technology sharing and so forth with these industries.
The key to this whole two-day meeting, and you can't get a lot done in two days, so I assume if it goes well, and it should, that there'll be another bigger meeting in Washington in the summer.
The key to all of this is we can work out trade deals that are very favorable to both countries.
That can be worked out, but we need your assistance, Beijing.
on X, Y, and Z.
So that's how it'll probably go down.
So when I have to go back just for a moment to the amount of oil that China purchases from Iran, would they, in your opinion, can you see that really stopping, really, and looking for other resources?
China doesn't care where it gets its oil from.
It wants a good price for the oil, and that can be negotiated.
It's a lot easier to get the oil.
From North America to China than it is from Iran to China.
So, you know, the setting is there.
We are exporting oil now.
People don't know this.
Americans don't know this.
But one of the reasons your gas pump is so high is because the American oil companies are shipping this stuff overseas to make even more money.
BP made 100% profit in one quarter after this Iranian madness started.
100% profit.
So we have the oil enough to sustain us.
We're sending it overseas so these oil companies can make more money.
Xi Wants History as Great Leader00:03:43
It's crazy, but it's happening.
That is.
You're so right about that.
I have to ask you this.
I'm very curious about your opinion on the perception that President Xi has of our President Trump.
I mean, would you say it's admiration, curiosity, intimidation?
What are your thoughts on that?
Because you would know.
You would have a really good handle on that.
I don't know Xi, but I know his second-in-command pretty well.
She likes flattery.
And who else likes flattery?
Let me guess.
Okay.
So that's where you start.
Xi fashions himself as the new Mao.
He wants to go down in history as one of the great Chinese leaders.
Donald Trump wants to go down in history as one of the great American presidents.
So there's common ground there, and both men flatter each other.
Nothing wrong with that.
I'd much rather have that than what we got in Iran.
Right.
They're both deal makers.
She is more ideological than Trump, whereby he is a fanatical communist.
I mean, it's just crazy how that communist thing has seized that country because under communism, no one has any rights.
No human being has any rights at all.
None.
But they love it.
And I asked them point blank.
I said, how can you support a government where all of your citizens are subjugated by the government?
How can you do that?
And they go, we have to govern 1.5 billion people, period.
That was the interview.
Bill O'Reilly, they're playing the music underneath.
You know what?
I am so glad I had the opportunity to talk to you.
Loved hearing what you had to say and your input and your insight.
Thank you so much.
Thanks for having me, Rose.
Take care.
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Faith Director Celebrates Nation's Birthday00:15:55
Joining me this hour is the faith director for the White House.
Her name is Jenny Korn.
I've had her on before with me.
I'm so glad to have her back, and she's going to talk about her thoughts on the nation's faith issues and its birthday 250 years.
Jenny Korn, how are you?
I'm wonderful, Rose.
Good afternoon.
It's so good to be on with you, and hello, and God bless you to all your listeners.
Oh, that is so sweet.
We are so glad that we even have this faith office there at the White House.
That's amazing in and of itself.
But you know, it's so significant because a lot of what we talked about today, Jenny, was about our 250 years of a republic.
And it was so important.
Benjamin Franklin even suggested that it might be difficult to keep this republic.
And I think we have, but I do believe it's hanging on by a thread.
And I think a lot of it depends on all of us because this nation was established on faith and a belief that.
God and God alone is the one who offers us freedom and liberty because if man did, Jenny, then man could take it away from us.
But our freedom comes from above.
So when we look at this 250th anniversary, it's more than just a date or more than just marking something on a calendar, isn't it?
Oh, absolutely.
I mean, and I'm so glad that you're concentrating on this.
And as you said, we're the first ever historic White House faith office, and that is because of President Trump, put it in the West Wing as a direct report to him, working on policy that.
Affects daily Americans.
Some people ask us, you know, do you pray all day in the faith office?
I will tell you, yes, we pray, but that is not our sole job.
Our job is to make sure that people of faith have a voice in their government and that the government is not discriminating against them.
And to your point, this country is not guaranteed, just like our office is not guaranteed.
It is up to Americans to ensure that we go back and remember what our founding is.
That's such a great thing that it's 250 years because people are paying attention to it, right?
You've got corporations, you've got the governments, you've got churches, you've got other entities who are going, Oh, this is 250.
What does it mean?
Who are we?
Where did we come from?
And what we're doing on this Sunday, May 17th, here on the National Mall, and all of your listeners are invited.
We want you to come, and you can find all the information I'm going to talk about on rededicate250.gov.
But we're going to talk about God's hand in the founding of our nation.
Where did we come from?
Why do we have the most free country in the whole world?
And then how do we?
keep it.
So we're going to have a full day on the National Mall of prayer, of worship together.
Imagine how powerful that is.
Whatever you guys are doing on Sunday, this is the place to be.
You want to bring your family, your friends, and you want to pray together with thousands of other Americans for this country, for the future of this country, and for each other.
I think it's just going to be beautiful.
Yeah, I agree.
And because honestly, you're right.
That is our history.
When you go back to the Puritans and you look at how they felt led to come here and Just their stories, you know, and it's written down, unfortunately, Jenny, not in our history books any longer.
But I'm grateful that I was a student of history.
I love particularly American history.
And you can go and then jump ahead to even George Washington and the miracles surrounding his life and his victories.
And their faith plays such an important part in so many aspects of this country.
And in fact, what I'd like to point out too is first of all, the Revolutionary War probably could not have been possible that striving for independence.
That willingness to put your life on the line to sign a declaration to this tyrant that you want to be a free people, that couldn't have happened without the Great Awakening.
The Great Awakening was something that was a movement all throughout this country where people were suddenly, again, focused on God and his will for them and for the country.
And then I just want to fast forward, Jenny, because this is all our history over the last 250 years.
But if you even think about the Second Great Awakening that led to, The abolition of slavery and the women's right to vote.
And I say that because the platform of those preachers was that we had a national sin.
Those of us who believed that slavery was okay, he called it a national sin.
Many of the pastors did, in fact.
And women who were moved by that were working on freeing slaves.
And then at one point they said, hold on, Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, they said, hold on a minute here.
If we believe all men are created equal, then we must believe that women are and should have a voice.
And how things are done in this country.
Every time we've had major events, major, major events in this country, we have had a spiritual awakening.
A hundred percent.
And I think that we just need to remind people and then show our young people that that's what we're all about, that all of the freedoms we have come from God and that we give honor to that.
You know, for those of you who haven't seen the picture of George Washington, I Google it where he's on his knee and he is praying.
That's just one, I just imagine the time that he came here starting a Brand new country leaving tyranny, as you said.
And it's so funny because people who shout, you know, separation of church and state for here in America, it's like, no, no, you guys aren't.
You're getting it completely wrong.
The separation of church and state is exactly why George Washington and our founders came to this country because they knew that a government shouldn't be dictating to you what religion you can be.
But it does not mean that people of faith don't have a voice in their government.
And we're going to be proclaiming that on the National Mall with some amazing, amazing artists, like we have Chris Tomlin.
For those of you who know who's one of America's worship leaders, Grammy-winning artist, he's going to be singing.
We've got Blessing Offer, a two-time Grammy nominee.
We're going to have Reverend Franklin Graham, Jonathan Rumi from The Chosen, and so many other pastors and faith leaders and music.
So can you imagine that?
Just for those of you who don't know about what we're going to do, is going to an event with thousands of other people who love this country, who love God, and are praying together with all these worship leaders and pastors.
I just think it's just going to be a special day.
And it's going to be sunny.
Good weather, guys.
So everybody to make sure and they come and go to rededicate250.gov and just get all the information.
It's free and you just get to come and it's from 12 to 6.
And we just think it's going to be a beautiful day.
But I think there's a lesson in there.
We're going to do storytelling about the beginning of our country and who we are.
And I just think that's going to make, you know, in a world where we're so divided and there's so much social media and negativity.
This is going to be an event where Americans can come together in joy and in positivity and in faith.
And it's going to be wonderful.
I love it.
And by the way, commenting on the weather here in DC, because I live here, I've been waiting for those sunny days.
So I'm glad it's been cold.
But, you know, here's the thing, too.
And I have to say that if President Trump were not in office right now as we celebrate, I think it's significant that he is here.
For this 250th anniversary.
I mean, so many things.
I know a lot of people were disappointed about the outcome of the previous presidential election, but you know what?
I believe he was meant to be here now, but I believe that we have the opportunity to speak freely and truly about the founding of this country.
I mean, you had AOC the other day talking about it being all about money, and it was not.
It was not.
She has no idea.
But you almost can't blame her because her educational system does not provide for a good American history foundation.
It just doesn't any longer.
Right.
But the thing that Trump's in office at this moment of time, too, is that we get to celebrate.
the wins and the successes and we get to talk about what we've built upon rather than this, you know, having shame or anything.
We should be talking about the goodness of America.
We should be teaching our young people about how amazing America is.
It is where you can have the American dream.
No other country can that happen where someone like myself, my family coming from Mexico with very low education, being able to come here, own a home, get an education, work hard, and have a daughter that ends up working at the White House not once but three times.
That is only here in America.
Teach that to young people.
They can do whatever they want.
I don't want them to be taught that they've got to be down somehow and shameful about things that they haven't done.
Let's be proud about our country.
Let's fix the things that we need to fix, but let's be proud of who we are and be grateful for God and the freedoms that we have.
Well said.
Well said, Jenny.
Listen, could you direct us to a website where we can go and get more information on the celebration this weekend?
Absolutely.
It's rededicate250.gov.
Just go to that, and it has literally.
I'm literally looking at it right here, and it's saying on Sunday, May 17th, the National Mall will be the scene of a historic gathering as Americans of every background across the country prepare for the nation's 250th birthday with scripture, testimony, prayer, and rededication of our country as one nation under God.
You don't want to miss it.
Be part of this.
It's not going to happen for another 250 years.
And unless you've got some kind of really great life plan, I think you might miss that one.
So let's do it this Sunday.
Love that.
Okay, Jenny Korn, faith director for the White House.
Thank you so much for joining us today and all of your efforts on behalf of faith in America.
Thank you, Rose.
Take care, sweetie.
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It's so great to hear you.
And it's so great to hear a big platform like this speaking so openly about Christian faith.
I love it.
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Well, it's important, I think.
More now than ever, actually.
Yeah, I'm working with a ministry, too, that is all about trying to get kids, get scripture into kids' hearts.
Basically, we have maybe a couple hours of kids' ministry once a week, and that's it.
We're trying to form a parent partner church relationship because there's so much more that kids can hear the gospel all throughout their home life.
But generally, parents just kind of let that go, and a ministry is so amazing resistance to getting parents to just realize that they can speak so much into their kids' lives.
During the formative years, and they just kind of drop off at church and let them do the work, and that's not good enough.
No, it's not good enough.
And our guest, I think during the four o'clock hour, Communio, you might want to check it out and see how you can combine your efforts with theirs.
But I applaud you for wanting to do something, and it does begin with our children, and I appreciate that very much, Ken.
Thank you.
Yeah, it's really important.
Our ministry is Global Children's Network, and we're really needing people to help us.
So that would be great.
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I'd really, really love it.
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Okay, here's one of the things I wanted to put out there.
There's the Fetterman guy, the senator in D.C., and then there's Bill Meyer, and I never knew how to.
Meyer.
He's a personality.
It's Fetterman and Marr.
Yes.
Yes, they're both extremely liberal Democrats, but.
They are more human.
And this is why, for the first time, and believe me, I know our history.
I was Navy at my husband's in the Navy.
Thank you for that.
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You're cutting out a lot.
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But I know you wanted to say that we need a middle of the road party.
When we say those words middle of the road, I get turned off just a little bit, though.
I think about scripture where Jesus says, I'd rather you be hot or cold, but if you're lukewarm, I'm going to spit you out of my mouth.
But I do respect Fetterman.
In fact, Linda and I were just talking about him, both of us being from Pennsylvania.
So I respect what he's doing in his boldness.
I will have to talk about this more tomorrow.
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