Sean Hannity investigates a disturbing pattern of eleven American scientists in nuclear, space, and defense fields disappearing or dying mysteriously over four years, citing cases like Amy Estridge and Melissa Casillas while suspecting espionage by China, Russia, or Iran. The discussion connects these vanishings to violent incidents involving MIT's Lerero and Caltech's Carl Grillmare before shifting to Iran, where Hannity asserts President Trump can destroy the Iranian economy in 15 minutes despite a temporary ceasefire. Ultimately, the episode argues that the blockade is fully successful and that military action may be necessary to prevent nuclear reconstitution while seeking a negotiated settlement. [Automatically generated summary]
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Ruled Suicide or Conspiracy00:03:50
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I am captivated by this story, and I'm actually extremely concerned about it, as is James Comer, the head of the very important House Oversight Committee, as are people in law enforcement that I'm talking to.
And what am I talking about?
The 11 American nuclear space link scientists that have either disappeared.
Or died under very mysterious circumstances all within the last four years.
And now both the FBI and the House Oversight Committee are investigating this string of mysteries.
Nancy Grace, I think, says it very well.
And she has devoted her entire life as a prosecutor, as a victim of crime, and as a victim advocate looking into cases deep and wide.
And she basically says, okay, one person goes missing, that's an isolated incident.
If two happens, that would be a coincidence.
If you have more than three, in this case, 11, Over a period of four years, that is a pattern.
We are very honored to have back on the program Nicole Parker, author of The Two FBIs, The Bravery, The Betrayal I Saw in My Time at the Bureau, Nancy Grace, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
And on Fox One, welcome both of you back to the program.
Nancy Grace, let's start with you.
One is an isolated incident, two is a coincidence.
We have 11.
What do we call that?
We call that a pattern.
That is borne out by all my years of investigating and prosecuting repeat felonies, serial killers.
Serial rapist, serial chimelin station, serial arson, which is very difficult to prove.
Sean, in preparation for talking with you and Nicole today, I had the opportunity to speak to a former British intelligence officer, Frank Milburn, who knew Amy Estridge very well.
She is one of the scientists.
She, in particular, was working on anti gravity jet propulsion.
And what is that?
Okay.
As a trial lawyer, I never had to deal with anti gravity jet propulsion.
But what it is, is when an aircraft be at a A plane or any other aircraft can go up, down, side to side to diagonal directions and faster than anything with which we are familiar.
It's real.
Anti-gravity jet propulsion.
Imagine how lucrative that would be to one of our enemies or another corporation.
Long story short, Estage was working on that before she was found dead from a self-allegedly self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Huntsville, Alabama, where, as you know, one of the NASA centers.
Well, it's Rocket City.
I lived there for two years.
I broadcast there for two years, and I know it really, really well.
Redstone Arsenal, Rocket City, USA.
I mean, well known for some of the most brilliant scientists in the world.
And yeah, they're claiming that this death was ruled by suicide.
In any of the cases of any of the 11, did we ever have an autopsy?
Some of them, for instance, hers was ruled a suicide, but Milburn tells me, and he is a former British intelligence officer, in the last hours, that he had a very long correspondence with her.
He knew her very, very well.
They were friends.
And shortly before her death, she said, Listen, if I'm found dead, I did not commit suicide, no matter what they tell you.
Know that, and you've got to take my information and make it public.
I find that very probative.
And not only that, Sean, since you and I last spoke last night, I've delved into the facts of the various disappearances.
And five of them seemingly walk away from their home with no identification, no tracking devices, such as a smartphone, a cell phone, nothing.
Patterns in Disappearances00:04:37
They walk away and are never seen again.
Most striking is a woman who walks away has just taken her daughter a Subway sandwich.
And I know that you know I'm referring to Melissa Casillas.
She takes her daughter lunch, says, I'm working from home today.
At 2 o'clock, she's on surveillance video walking by foot in the heat of the day in New Mexico.
She vanishes and is never seen again.
Both herself.
This is in Los Alamos.
She worked in the National Lab Administration.
She was an assistant there, correct?
Yes.
She walks away, and when the police get there, when her daughter calls her mom missing, both her cell phone, work and home, work and personal, have been wiped clean.
Factory reset.
Oh, that's.
Nicole, that's just a mere coincidence, right?
I've been very.
Closely listening to Nancy Zors, and I agree.
I mean, there's just something in all of these.
You can look at them each individually, but when you look at them together and you do see these patterns, it is a reason for law enforcement to take this very seriously.
And so, any type of investigation of this nature is always going to be a serious concern for our national security.
You know, obviously, right now, the FBI has not released any concrete evidence of a coordinated plot putting them together, but we are always looking, Sean, for espionage.
any involvement of a hostile foreign intelligence service group being involved.
And that's exactly why you've got multiple departments.
You've got the FBI, you've got the Department of Energy, you've got the Department of War, you've got NASA.
And they are going to be linking up with the state and local law enforcement departments to determine each individual case.
Because as we know, the jurisdiction for each individual case is with the locals, but they will be looking at it cumulatively to see if there are any patterns and getting to the bottom of this.
Every single individual involved, they were doing extremely sensitive work with nuclear weapons, aerospace, defense technology, and they were in serious competition.
We know that people want our information.
They want our technology.
We are in competition with China, Russia, Iran, and they will go to all lengths to stop individuals, I believe, potentially from releasing that information and from America being number one in each of those categories.
So, I also think it's important to again look at the facts and the evidence.
It could be very easy to look and say, you know, oh, this is, you know, these are all linked and there's foul play involved.
I personally am, you know, there's two individuals in particular.
The scientist from MIT, we know that he, Lerero, we know that he was killed by the same individual that did the Brown University mass shooting.
Okay.
That was back in December of 2025.
We know that he went for Brown University and then went up north.
To his home in Brookline, Massachusetts, and he was shot and killed at his home.
We know that he was a former classmate of his, but we don't ever know the exact motive because he is now dead.
Okay, we also know that there was another scientist from Caltech who was also killed.
That was Carl Grillmare.
He was killed on his front porch by an individual in rural California around, you know, early in the morning.
And this person, Snyder, has been arrested and charged with his murder.
Is the motive yet determined?
No.
But it is important to note that that same individual had received a call from Carl a couple months earlier saying that this individual had been trespassing on his property.
So this is the same individual that had been previously trespassing and then goes on to kill him on his front porch.
Again, you have to note that that person had also been charged and been looked into for a carjacking that same day.
But again, you look at the different patterns.
And I think one that really, I mean, they all are quite alarming to me.
But Nancy brings up a very good point.
Amy Eskridge, there's a lot of information on her.
And, you know, they say it was an alleged suicide, but there are specific details that I too have, you know, looked into that I think is very odd.
She did a YouTube interview back in 2020, and she was saying things like, quote, if you stick your neck out in public, at least someone notices if your head gets chopped off.
If you stick your neck out in private, they will bury you.
They will burn down your house while you're sleeping in your bed, and it won't even make the news.
I have to publish because it's going to get worse until I publish.
And she was talking about how threats against her were becoming more and more aggressive.
You cannot turn a blind eye to that and say, oh, that's just a mere coincidence.
Alarming Connections Revealed00:03:13
Okay.
And then you look at other individuals.
The woman who was hiking, Monica Reza in California.
I think that one is extremely odd.
She's hiking with her friends in the Angeles National Park, and all of a sudden, she just disappears.
Her friend sees her about 30 feet away.
She turns around, looks again.
Gone, Sean.
Nowhere to be found.
And they did searches.
They did surveillance.
They did everything.
Brought in canines.
Nothing.
She just vandalized.
We don't help ourselves as a country when we have wide open borders and you have 12 plus million people, including known terrorists, murderers, rapists, child molesters, cartel members, gang members allowed into the country, and the country gets lied to for four years.
And the other dumb thing that we do is we allow Chinese nationals, they've been gobbling up ranch land, farmland, and land near military installations now for decades.
I doubt President Xi in China would allow me to buy any land near their military installations.
Let me go back to Nancy Grace for a second.
There is a nexus point with a number of the people here, with retired Air Force Major General William Neil McCasland.
And he's been missing, by the way, since February.
Of this year, a number of the other people that are gone are connected to him.
Yes, they are, Sean.
McHazen goes missing 22926, and he goes missing in under an hour.
Now, what is the significance?
He was the senior official.
He commanded the Air Force Research Lab.
He was a senior Pentagon official.
He is spotted by his wife and a repairman at 11 10 a.m.
Wife goes to hair salon, comes back at 12 04.
He's gone.
He leaves on foot, just like four others did from his home, leaves behind phone, electronics, smartwatch, prescription glasses.
He takes hiking boots and a 38.
Interesting, shortly thereafter, the only thing to identify him as U.S. is a USAF sweatshirt that was found on the roadside.
Now, interesting, you and I have been through a lot on Guthrie where Nano, the Pima County Sheriff, would not allow the feds into the investigation.
Until they had basically botched it beyond repair.
Then the feds come in and try to clean it all up.
In this case, I have learned that the FBI has jumped on McCaslin's disappearance in March, uninvited.
Now, why would that be?
And attached to McCaslin, as you accurately pointed out, Steve Garcia disappears from New Mexico, Albuquerque.
Melissa Casillas, the mom I just told you about, she was from Los Alamos.
Monica Jacinto Reyesas, that you were just hearing about.
That vanished on the hiking trail.
Anthony Chavez leaves behind keys, car, wallet, phone.
He is from Los Alamos as well.
They're all connected to McCaslin in one way or the other.
All right, quick break.
We'll come back more on these 11 missing scientists.
Beyond suspicious in my mind.
We'll continue more with Nancy Grace and Nicole Parker on the other side.
Freedom for All Americans00:14:03
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We have Susan.
In the great state of Texas, Susan, glad you called.
God bless Texas.
Thanks for checking in.
Hello, Mr. Hannity.
How are you?
I'm very good.
Thank you for calling.
I am a great, you know, a long time listener, first time caller.
I was going to weigh in into the war, United States.
I'm an Iranian born, American citizen, been here for almost 36 years.
So it was a great opportunity.
Did your formative years grow up in Iran?
Yes, sir.
I came to the United States when I was 18, and then I got married with my children here, and we stayed here, unfortunately, not being able to go back.
Let me ask you how old were you during the time of the revolution in 79?
I was born in 71, so I was about six years old.
I was there till 18, and then I left the country, came to the United States.
You know, it's so sad to me because the Persian people in Iran have such a rich culture, and the contributions to humanity over the many, many centuries is unbelievable.
And they have been oppressed now for 47 years.
Now they're being slaughtered.
And thank God the president was able to apparently get a reprieve for these.
Young women that were scheduled to be hung, and I'm hoping that that is real.
And hopefully, we'll see an end to this conflict.
There's going to be an end one way or the other.
But anyway, I'd love to hear your perspective.
Well, thank you so much for saying that.
You know, we're so grateful for your support for a lot of people that are absolutely, you know, on our side.
I know everybody has their, you know, different opinions, different politics views, but everything.
You know, we really know that, you know, President Trump is a wonderful, one of the best presidents for the United States, having, you know, United States' best interests at heart.
So if people come to us and say, oh, you think, you know, like Israel or the United States are just, you know, worrying about people in Iran, absolutely not.
But there is no other way.
There is absolutely zero way that we could have gotten where we are right now without the intervention of the United States and, you know, like with the help of Israel.
You, you know, people, what people don't realize, Mr. Hannity, is it's just people with just people, no, nothing against armed forces in Iran.
They are not Iranian.
They're not Persian.
They're not afraid of killing people.
They don't have any values for anyone.
And quite frankly, I don't really think this, you know, ceasefires or these times is going to change anything.
They've never been truthful.
They've never been, you know, having any of the people's good on their mind.
And also, I was listening to your show last night.
One of the young American people was asking you, I was wondering if, you know, with continuing the war, Iranian people in the United States are going to be mad.
Absolutely not.
I mean, we have been asking for this.
We have been praying for this.
We are, you know, like Iran is one of the richest countries on the planet, and everybody knows that, but unfortunately has the poorest population that anybody, you know, could imagine.
The kids, the children, and it's not any different from that.
You know, like right now, everything is super expensive, super rare.
You know, people are having a hard time living.
Of course, it's a lot worse after the war started.
All of my family is in Iran.
I just want to tell you that we are three siblings my parents, my nephews, everybody is in Iran.
I am the only one residing in the United States.
So if I say that, it's not that I see both worlds.
I see the United States and the great benefit and the great life that is given me and my children here, and also what I have in Iran directly from the family that I hear.
So life is very difficult.
Things are not.
Let me add some context for you, Susan, because unlike a lot of people, they don't have the sources that I have.
And I even spoke to the president directly last night, and I'm not going to share the majority of the contents of that conversation.
And there are people that would foolishly interpret the president extending the ceasefire to mean that he's unwilling to do whatever is necessary to win this conflict and this war.
The president has the ability, probably within 15 minutes, to destroy the economy.
of Iran.
The president, there are two things that appeal to him in extending this, and they put a timeline on it, but I knew this timeline last night.
I only referenced that there was, it's going to be short lived, and it's three to five days.
And part of the problem is the Iranians cannot communicate, as I said in the last hour.
They cannot communicate with each other because if they ever got on a cell phone, if it even worked, the problem would be that they feared that their location would be given up and they'd be dead.
So there is a communication problem between the hard line.
IRGC, and those that understand the handwriting is on the wall and are more inclined to do a deal with the president.
Okay, so that is partly real.
But the president, the one thing I will tell you he said to me directly last night he said, Sean, I can bomb them anytime.
That's not the issue.
We have rearmed and we have built up our military presence even larger than before Epic Fury.
He goes, after he was appealed to by the prime minister of Pakistan himself, And after taking into account the impact on your family and the Persian people and the people in Iran, he has decided to give this every last opportunity to end with a peaceful agreement, a negotiated settlement.
That's where this is coming from.
And the media would have you think, oh, this is weak.
He's failing.
He's not in control.
The blockade is preventing the Iranians from an income of $500 million a day.
And when you read, as there were reports, oh, all these 26 ships got through, and Chris Murphy is all celebrating this.
It wasn't true.
It's not true.
Not one ship has gotten through.
The blockade has been 100% successful.
It's a matter, I know people, their attention span is about as short as a gnat.
And the president is trying to thread the needle between doing what we need to do militarily to keep the world a better, safer place for our children and grandchildren.
Do as little damage to the Iranian people because the easy way would be to just bomb out their economy.
That's an easy decision.
But I hate to tell you, Susan, people like your family and other families, Iranian families, we have 180% inflation rate now, going to 200%.
Your currency is worth zero.
Half the workforce is out of work.
They're short on supplies.
The economy is broke.
And so the president is factoring all of that into his thinking.
And for all the thought that for all the narrative that he's a cowboy, he actually does have compassion.
He's thinking about your people, and he does not want to do what they're forcing him to do.
If it happens, it'll be because they made it happen, not because he wanted that part to happen.
Absolutely.
No, in, you know, you're absolutely correct in every aspect, whatever you said, you know, it's just right on to the T. You mentioned that, you know, they're losing money on a daily basis, which majority of it would not have gone to regular people, anyways, you know, like it would have been in the hands of the corrupted government already.
Then you mentioned that the whole world will be safer if the IRGC is not there, which is absolutely true.
You know, like a guy who is African descended comes and kills people in a city of, you know, like Austin here.
Has an IRGC flag on his shirt, which is not even related to the Persian people.
So you're absolutely correct.
President Trump is one of the wisest and one of the only president who actually had the safety of the United States.
But notice the difference between the Iranian military that has been targeting densely populated civilian areas in Gulf states and Israel and cities like Tel Aviv.
And what has Israel, what has the U.S. been targeting?
Military targets.
They've not gone after the people.
They, you know, because we value human life.
And, you know, he could go full on Sherman esque here and wipe them out if he wants to.
And that option's still on the table.
And it may end up that way.
I'm hoping for a negotiated settlement myself.
My hopes are somewhat diminished, but, you know, I'm managing expectations, hoping for the best, expecting the worst.
Absolutely.
I mean, honestly, we don't think these people are anywhere, you know, in their.
Right mind to do the negotiation.
And frankly, honestly, what I'm afraid of is this period of ceasefires is giving them to do something really, really crazy, you know, like, I don't know, maybe, you know, like perfecting something that is kind of in the middle of the work.
I don't really know how to express it without, you know, just kind of, you know, but I think that I just don't want it to be a time for them to be.
I totally understand that the president needs to take the steps the way that he is because, you know, of.
His people, United States.
I understand this is very personal for you, and I pray for you and your family and the people of Iran.
America has no beef with the people of Iran.
We want the people to be free.
But it's really going to be up to the so called radical leaders whether or not they want this peace deal or not.
They'll do it the easy way, they'll do it the hard way.
Anyway, Susan, we appreciate your insight.
Thanks for being with us.
Right back.
We'll continue.
More of your calls straight ahead.
800 941 Sean, our number.
Back to our busy phones, 800-941-Sean.
Kevin is in my free state of Florida.
Kevin, how are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Doing great, Sean.
Thank you for all you do.
And I loved listening to Susan.
The perspective that she had was enlightening, but it was understandable.
But what I think, you know, I listen every day to you guys.
I love you guys.
And I support our president and our military.
I love them dearly.
They're the greatest in the world.
But I just don't think negotiating with these type of people is going to do.
The only negotiation that would work, and it wouldn't work, is complete surrender.
Like Japan surrendered, it was over.
Like Mikhail Gorbachev cried, Uncle, it was over.
These are different people.
They're lying, and like you said, they're suicide bombers.
They run ships into the USS Cole and killed 13 sailors that no one seems to mention.
They're murdering, they'll cut your head off.
These are really, really bad people, and this is a fight between good and evil.
The leadership is evil, the people are not.
Evil.
The people are victims themselves, and there's over 90 million of them.
You know, as the president told me very clearly last night, he can, at any time, wipe them out, meaning wipe out the regime, their economy, all of the above.
And they'll have no means of really recovering at that point.
Actually, the safer option is to do that.
The option that would be most effective in preventing them from ever reconstituting their nuclear program, the ballistic missile program, they won't be able to do it if they don't have an economy.
That would be the safest option, the best option.
However, are we really going to fault the president for thinking about the fate of the Iranian people?
I really can't fault him for that.
And yet, the media would portray that as weakness.
I don't portray that as weakness.
This military operation that we're talking about can be over in about 15 minutes.
The Straits is a little more complicated, but that part of it can be over in no time.
Their economy can be destroyed.
You know, you can entomb the uranium if they're not going to give it to you and keep eyes on it and go back and just fire missiles and just destroy anybody that ever attempted to get it.
That would take future presidents.
Which I don't depend on.
All of those options remain, but you can't fault them for that, can you?
No, I'm not faulting them at all.
Our president is nothing.
He's the strongest president.
He's far from weak.
No, it's the Iranian people.
No, love them.
Susan shared how beautiful they are, and I know they are.
There's probably 100,000 to 300,000 bad guys in Iran.
I know it's nothing easy and it's difficult, and life is precious.
Like Susan said, the Iranian people are beautiful, but there's a hundred.
You know, even evil people at some point can be practical.
They've not shown a propensity to lean that way up to this.
Point, but they've been given one last lifeline.
If they choose to, for them, it would be to come back to fight in another day.
The easier choice, the long term, greater national security benefit would be from bombing them.
However, innocent people are impacted by that.
I understand the president's thinking completely.
Anyone that's telling you any different than what I have just discussed this half hour is just frankly outright lying to you, and they don't know.
I'm just giving you the real scoop where the president is, where we are.
Ultimately, this is going to come to a conclusion.
I pray for the negotiated settlement, pray for the best, but expect the worst.