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Aug. 2, 2025 - Sean Hannity Show
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Transforming American Healthcare - August 1st, Hour 2
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We're here to talk about the 60th anniversary of Medicaid.
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Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, you know, one of the things that has frustrated me for many, many years is Obamacare got shoved down our throat.
Every promise they made, keep your doctor, keep your plan.
Average family saves $2,500 a year.
Okay, well, the verdict is in.
And millions and millions of Americans, tens of millions of Americans lost their doctors and plans.
And the average family is paying about 300% more than what they were paying.
And a full 40% of the country has access to only one Obamacare exchange option.
Not particularly innovative.
We have had on this program discussions because this matters to everybody.
Healthcare matters to everybody.
Any person I know, it doesn't matter what their age are, they worry to some level about their health.
I try not to waste my time worrying about anything.
But most people are concerned about these things.
Now, there's new, innovative ideas when it comes to healthcare.
Years ago, we talked a lot about a Cato Institute book called Patient Power, Healthcare Savings Accounts.
We've had on Dr. Josh Umber on this program, Atlas MD, Wichita, Kansas.
And they have a healthcare cooperative.
It is now nationwide.
He helped build out thousands of locations around the country.
Now he has his own Atlas MD around the country.
And that allows, in the case of Wichita at the time, it was 24-hour access to any doctor, as many visits as you needed monthly.
It was $50 a month for an adult, $10 a month per child.
And he would negotiate directly with pharmaceutical companies.
And in most instances, you would walk out of the doctor's office with high blood pressure medicine, cholesterol medicine, whatever you might need.
He had access to all of it.
And you were paying about 95% less.
And telemedicine is now a big deal and is definitely going to be the future of medicine.
One of the things that we learned is that we produce most of the new medicines worldwide, but other countries with socialized medicine were getting far lower prices.
And people in these other countries, even though we created the medication, they're getting far lower prices until Donald Trump said that's got to stop.
And he created most favored nation drug pricing in a letter signed by the president.
Now, in the last 36 hours, they have been huge for the issue of health care.
And I'm going to talk to Dr. Oz here in a second because Democrats are demagoguing it.
They've been saying the one big, beautiful bill is cutting Medicaid, and it's going to hurt old people, and people are going to die.
All of these comments have been made.
The president hosted a massive gathering, 60 of the largest health and tech companies, pledging to allow Americans to use their own health data to stay healthy and get better care from their doctors.
It's going to save lives.
They put together a $50 billion rural health transformation fund that Congress is allowing Dr. Oz to distribute by the end of the year.
But it's really better coming from the horse's mouth.
And Dr. Mehmet Oz is with us.
He is the 17th administrator of the Centers for Medicare, Medicaid Services, and Amy Gleason's strategic advisor to health and human services, NCMS, and the acting administrator of the U.S. Doge Service.
Anyway, welcome both of you back to the program.
Dr. Oz, this has been an innovative week.
I've only touched on how bad things have been.
I've only touched on how things have been demagogued, and I've only touched on how transformational medicine will be in the decades to come.
Well, you beautifully articulated the crisis, and you never want to waste the crisis.
We have increased spending on Medicaid 50% in the last five years.
Frankly, COVID broke the bank.
It broke the system.
And there are all kinds of patchwork solutions that were thrown up by the Biden administration, which I can regale you with.
But I'd rather look forward and speak to how we're going to fix the problem.
And the last 48 hours have been unique.
But Wednesday afternoon, it started with one of those magical moments in your life you can never forget.
In the White House, the president wanted to host this gathering of the 60 top health and technology leaders of the country.
And he asked them, he pushed them, he squeezed them.
He said, enough is enough.
We have been waiting and waiting and waiting.
We've waited for information from a doctor's office that we own to come to us.
We waited to make sure it was securely protected so it wouldn't get stolen by someone foreign country or a local person who's trying to take advantage of you.
We've waited for access or to transparency in the bills you get from your hospital or from the pharmacy.
And they wait, you know, a lot of waiting for Washington, by the way, to take action.
So the president said, we're done.
Today is the day.
We want you to commit in writing on a pledge to address these issues that are so critical to the well-being of the American people because we have been frozen in time for 60 years.
Because it's 60 years ago this week that Medicare and Medicaid were founded.
These beautiful backbone elements to the social safety net of our nation.
It wasn't a giveaway.
It wasn't a handout.
It was a hand up that would help Americans re-engage in life if they had issues because they were young or they're disabled or just had some bad luck, get them back on their feet again.
That's what great people do.
They help each other.
Great nations protect their most vulnerable, but they don't coddle people.
They empower beneficiaries.
They incentivize providers.
And so to do this right, we require a tech transformation.
And the smartest person that I have met, and I don't know, Sean, you travel, if you have a passport that you've gotten recently, you will actually blush at how easy it has become.
No more going to the post office and all the waiting for months and months for your passport to be missing.
It's literally done online in two weeks.
The woman who helped run that, create that, Amy Gleason, we introduced, is on the line as well.
And she was the tip of the spear on this program that the president hosted on Wednesday.
And I want her to explain how we're going to kill the clipboard, how we're going to help people with chronic diseases, and we're going to be able to crush fraud, waste, and abuse as well by using information the way other sectors of the U.S. economy do for the first time in healthcare.
So Amy, I hand it to you.
Amy?
I'd love to hear this.
This is great news.
That's high praise from Dr. Oz.
He's an amazing leader.
I'm so lucky to work with him.
Thank you for having me.
So CMS is on a mission to really modernize healthcare technology.
Most other industries have already become more efficient and effective using technology, but healthcare is still relying on fax machines.
And doctors really struggle to have the information they need to treat their patients.
And as individuals, every other part of our life has been made better by technology.
We can order groceries or arrive and get results in minutes.
But in healthcare, we don't have those same kind of tools to keep us well.
And so this is also a very personal story for me.
I've dealt with these issues both in caring for patients professionally, but I really started to understand the challenges once my daughter was diagnosed with a rare disease.
15 years ago, when she was 11, she started having a bunch of mysterious symptoms.
And she was seeing all the best doctors in the country, but she kept getting worse.
And she reached the point where she couldn't stand up on her own or walk up the stairs.
We still didn't have any answers.
And I had to carry binders of her records to every appointment to try to keep those doctors aligned.
But I truly believe that if just one person had been able to see her whole entire medical record, she could have been diagnosed sooner.
And if we had had today's AI, it could have helped connect the dots that people had missed.
And so really, I mean, that that that is the thing.
You know, I was interviewing Gary Brecker, and I know Dr. Oz is friendly with him, and he's in the health space.
And he's a really smart guy.
He believes in 10,000 steps a day, believes in meditation and breathing exercises.
He's a big advocate of cold plunge, which, by the way, I'm actually installing one in my house.
I'm going to try it myself.
I'm going to try and cut back on my nicotine pouches.
Although I really like them a lot, Dr. Oz, don't yell at me because I don't want to hear it.
But he's actually saying that if you can survive the next five years, the odds that you will live to be 100 go up exponentially.
You agree with that?
I do agree with it.
And by the way, I offered you my cold plunge to come use it and you won't come, but I'll get to that later.
I'm doing it alone first.
Gary Brecker wants me to do it on TV with him.
I'm like, I'm not doing my first plunge, you know, cold.
I got to practice.
You're a bull.
You'll be fine.
But cold plunge is a good example.
You know, you wouldn't think about it, but anytime you stress your body without hurting it, you're improving your longevity.
So you get into cold water, your body thinks, oh my gosh, this is terrible.
I got to make adaptive changes to who I am or what I do.
And that actually stimulates all kinds of mechanisms in your cells.
But you're actually not in danger because you're going to get out of the cold plunge.
You're not going to die in the cold water.
The same for running, exercising, how you eat, intermittent fasting.
But what Amy's speaking to is so big because imagine, Sean, based on your medical records, what you actually know about yourself is now known by the doctor that's taking care of you.
But you allow, and Amy built this, you allow that information to be shared with companies like Gary's who are trying to help you.
Now he messages you, hey, Sean, you're supposed to not eat breakfast till 11 or you're supposed to go walking or do the cold plunge at 10 based on your energy and your metabolism and your medical records.
And guess what?
Me, your doctor, let's pretend you trust me in that capacity, also has access to that.
So I can say, Sean, you missed your appointment or you didn't pick up your meds.
And that's how we take people from being sick to healthy.
What Amy did was to take her daughter's potential tragedy.
Her daughter's beautiful and doing well.
She was at the event with the president on Wednesday, and allow that to catalyze our nation to do things we should have done years ago.
I mean, why would you walk into a doctor's office and write your name and your address and insurance?
Just a QR code, like getting on an airplane.
It's perfectly doable, Amy.
Am I right?
Yes, that's what we're really wanting to see in about six months' time where when Morgan goes to the doctor next, she can just pull out her phone and scan or tap to share her medical record right away.
And it can be done with her digital insurance card and a summary that could help the provider get up to speed.
That's much better and more efficient for everyone than writing down all of her medications and her entire history.
So we're really excited for that.
And then we're also thinking after the visit, she can have an app that has an AI assistant that can help her really understand what happened at the visit, what the test results mean, what she should watch out for next, and help her understand her care plan and help her schedule follow-up when she needs it.
All right, quick Frank, we'll come back.
More with Amy Gleason, more with Dr. Oz on the other side.
Then we'll get to your calls coming up this Friday, 800-941 Sean.
If you want to be a part of the program, we continue now.
Dr. Oz is with us as well as Amy Gleason as we discuss healthcare in America.
This has been a transformational week.
And in that regard, you need to know because everyone cares about their health.
You have a relative that needs health care.
There are a lot of big changes coming.
They're all positive and they're all innovative.
Dr. Oz, can you go into some detail in terms of why this was so transformational this week?
Why the big lie?
People cannot believe the lies they're being told regularly because it's being done for political purposes.
And what transformations can people expect in the near term and the long term?
It is, I believe, reprehensible that you would dishonestly con people into thinking they're being heard when we are pulling out all the stops to help Americans feel as healthy and as vital as they should have all along.
What the president has done, and again, he embraced this digital transformation that Amy has been launching because he appreciates how big of an impact it could have.
Just with fraud, waste, and abuse and cutting back administrative costs, it's $100 billion to our nation, what Amy's putting together.
Let's talk about most favorite nation pricing, which he released yesterday morning.
And it was just an incredibly bold move where he says, guys, we are done with global freeloading.
We're not going to let the American people foot the bill to do all the research and development.
We pay for more than half in the world and pay the price of the drug that's three times more for the same product and the same box weight in the same factory.
And you've heard him talk about this.
He gets appropriately upset.
So if he's going to take the bold move in his presidency of pushing people to convene, the power to convene is important and he's using it.
He sent us out to battle yesterday with that letter.
He wants every drug company to be honest about this.
How much are you making in America versus in, let's say, Europe?
Why aren't the Europeans paying more?
Can I get the U.S. trade representative?
Can I get the Commerce Department under Secretary Luttney?
Can we get all these folks working together?
And Bobby Kennedy, of course, the superstar, pushing for this to be done in a Maha way so we're helping people get healthy.
One of the ways you get healthy is by taking medications that they're appropriate.
If you can't afford them or you have to choose between groceries and pills, you're going to be in trouble.
Number one, cause of bankruptcy in America, their health issues and the bills that go along with it.
So Amy's building a system to see you'll know everything that's happening in your life, including the bills that are coming your way and what it costs to get insurance and fixing the broken Obamacare model and making Medicaid work better so the right person appropriately gets these services, but the wrong person can't just freeload off everybody else.
The president does not get credit for this and he should.
These are brave moves.
People don't like when you get in their way and take your money away.
There's probably 150 people who control medicine and they're making good money.
When the president comes in and says, it's not right for the American people.
I'm taking this back from you.
I'm going to put it over here where they really need it.
Guess who writes about that?
Folks who don't like you.
And they make up stories.
And we live this day in and day out.
I don't know how he does it because, as you know, he's working tirelessly and bravely in pursuit of protecting America and these initiatives, the last 36, 48 hours, unbelievably.
We'll look back on these last few days and realize that was when it all began to switch back because there's no way you can lie about things this good.
Wow.
Amy, we'll give you the last word.
We've got about 35 seconds.
Thank you.
I think these companies that were amazing to come and voluntarily agree to work together even against their direct competitors is a really big movement.
And you can see from Dr. Oz's leadership that we've really been able to get these companies to work together.
It's really important to help both patients and doctors have better experience.
Thank you so much for having me today.
I love the idea of having everybody's health care on your own phone.
And wherever you are, anytime anything happens, the entire record is right there.
And that could be so helpful to saving lives and helping doctors do their job a lot quicker.
Amy, thank you.
Dr. Ross, thank you.
We appreciate it.
Keep up the great work.
Everybody cares about their health.
I've always said that I think that, you know, two liberal comics, late-night people that kind of stand out from, you know, the hack Jimmy Kimmel and the hack Stephen Colbert.
And I don't know.
I don't hate Jimmy Fallon as much.
I think he's just not funny.
He just doesn't do it for me.
I do like biting commentary.
Like, I love Chris Rock.
I love, I don't know, who else do I love?
I love a lot of people.
I love Chappelle.
Linda, you have your list of people you like, correct?
I do.
Okay.
So, but I like Stewart.
Stewart, only I like, I hate his commentary, hate his politics.
Same with Bill Maher.
It's a fair characterization.
I think it's fairly accurate to say both of them pretty much hate me.
Is that a fair?
You would believe that, right?
I don't think that Jon Stewart hates you.
I actually think that Jon Stewart is an ideologue.
And you guys actually have a lot of crossover.
He just leans more to the left, you more to the right.
But on 9-11 and issues like that, I think you'd probably meet in the middle.
Actually, I don't really think that we do agree on 9-11-related illnesses.
I know we're talking about that.
Yeah, that's what I mean.
There's definitely crossover.
But the one thing that stands out, and even when both of them have either attacked or made fun of me, I can laugh because it's funny.
Now, Stewart rolled out with a mocking impersonation of Jay Leno.
And, you know, after a day watching Fox News and being bathed in their very purposeful propaganda, he's talking about Greg Gutfeld.
It's a great way to top off your night, but it's not the Jay Leno-like, you know, and then you understand why you want to offend your audience.
The problem is these guys don't have any humor in them.
They're not funny.
They have lost massive amounts of audience.
You know, he says, wow, the whole thing is effing ridiculous.
And it is, if you look at social media profiles, all the people that complain, the left-wing bias, they're all right-wing influencers.
They all make their money, their entire economy.
Here's the question that he's not addressing, though, in his comments, because he's making it seem as like, well, Fox has this ecosystem, and then Greg Gutfeld comes on and he's funny, but he's ideologically funny.
But that does not, then why doesn't it work on the left?
Because, you know, the one thing that Fox has that they will never acknowledge is that we tell people way more truth than you're ever going to get from fake news, CNN, or the lies and petal conspiracy theories of MSDNC that often get echoed in the New York Times and Washington Post.
Russia, Russia, Russia is but one example.
I can give you other examples: the rush to judgment in the Richard Jewell case.
I could get a valuation of Mar-a-Lago, the 31 Trump or 34 Trumped up charges, you know, based on a novel legal theory on what was a misdemeanor in New York, a legal non-disclosure agreement, you know, that became a conviction for then candidate Trump.
They don't see, not one of them ever said, no, Mar-a-Lago is not worth $18 million.
Not one of them ever said, no, this would be a misdemeanor and the statute of limitations have run out.
And even though I don't like Donald Trump, the law should apply equally to him.
Or the fact that people rush to judgment, hands up, don't shoot.
All these networks, they all rush to judgment.
I had sources on the ground telling me, Sean, multiple eyewitnesses will come out, many of them African-American, which in that case kind of mattered because of Michael Brown.
Hands up, don't shoot.
Darren Wilson, the officer, happened to be white, and there was a racial component to the case.
And they said, no, multiple African-American witnesses will corroborate Darren Wilson's story.
And in the case of Duke La Crosse, oh, they're a bunch of rich white kids, and this is outrageous.
And I went to meet with the families.
I met some of these kids.
I knew they had exculpatory evidence coming out.
I knew there was an eyewitness in the Zimmerman case down in Florida because I went down there and I knew that that testimony would come, an eyewitness that would say, no, it was Trayvon Martin that was doing the ground and pound on George Zimmerman.
It was him screaming and it was his head being pounded into the cement.
So, and the same thing with Richard Jewell.
I use this example all the time.
But here's what Stewart said about my friend and colleague, Greg Gutfeld.
The idea that by having what may be a more left-leaning or progressive bent or just bringing in, that's how Fox is popular.
That's how any of these people, you know, they all talk about Gutfeld's the most popular.
Yeah, he's not popular because he's a both sides guy.
He's not, you know, a fair use like, you know, the fairness doctrine says, like, he's relentless.
And, you know, after a day of watching Fox News and being bathed in their very purposeful propaganda, it's a great way to top off the night.
Well, why isn't it working for fake news, CNN?
Why isn't it working for ABC, NBC, and CBS?
Why isn't it working for MSDNC?
Why is the New York Times now flailing?
How do they get so many stories wrong so often?
And I don't think he's answering that question.
Now, why is he more successful?
And why is Bill Maher more successful?
And the answer to me is they're funnier.
And probably, I would assume in both cases, their shows make money.
Now, if Jon Stewart's going to continue to go after the new owners of CBS, which is, I guess, Paramount Skydance, a partnership that they put together, I'm not sure what the final name of the company is going to be.
I would imagine he's probably putting his job in jeopardy and, like Stephen Colbert, may want to go out a martyr.
I don't know.
I really don't.
By the way, did you see the call for Stewart to run for president?
Did you see that?
I did not see that.
Yeah.
I mean, talk about a copycat.
Yeah.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no.
This is a manufactured executive producer thing.
This has nothing to do with Sean Henry's thing.
It's total hogwash.
I do not control the American people.
I do not tell people to call in.
Oh, my gosh.
I do not write things on social media that have anything to do with this.
People are free to write what they want, and I am free to notice and make you aware.
And that's all that happened.
All right.
Charlemagne, the gods, said the Democrats suck so bad, and apparently he wants Jon Stewart to run.
I would love to see John Stewart run in 2028.
If we're talking about like a change agent coming from the outside that's really going to shake things up and somebody that I feel like can speak to, you know, all people.
Plus, we actually, he's a celebrity who actually knows what they're talking about.
We've seen him get legislation and stuff, you know, passed before.
Like we know where his heart is.
He'd be somebody I'd like to see really get in the race and disrupt things in 2028.
Well, maybe a Jon Stewart Colbert ticket because, you know, Colbert's not going to have a job.
He's not working because of President Trump, so they say.
That would guarantee that that ticket would lose if you put Colbert on it.
Let's go to Jeannie in the great state of Texas.
God bless Texas.
Jeannie, how are you?
Happy Friday.
Glad you called.
Thank you.
Happy Friday to you too.
I basically am calling in because I started listening to you a while back, probably in my late 30s, early 30s.
And prior to that, I've never voted because I didn't know it, did not know enough about politics, never trusted anybody on air to follow along with them until I ran across you.
So, well, I'm very, first of all, thanks for having an open mind.
I mean, there are people that make judgments about me all the time.
And most of the people that will either comment or make judgments about me don't listen and don't watch me.
But I try to give news and information that you won't get elsewhere.
So I appreciate it.
Thank you.
That's what I feel.
I feel like that you're very honest.
I don't think that you'd cover up.
I don't think that you're, what's the word?
I'm looking for bias.
So I want to thank you because I started voting after I started listening to you.
And if I have questions about politics, I come to your and watch you on Fox News and I pay attention and then I start doing my own research.
But you're the reason why I started voting.
And I will say this: with all the corruption and stuff that I have learned from watching you and Fox News and other stations, I never voted for whether it was a Democrat or a Republican because I was not one of them.
I voted for who I thought was best for overall, not just for me, but for the overall nation.
But now I'll never vote for another Democrat.
Not this party of Democrats, I'll tell you that.
I mean, they've gotten absolutely crazy.
Well, I'm very grateful for you.
Thanks for being out there.
Thanks for having an open mind.
You are what makes America great.
All right, quick break, right back.
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Linda, one of the main criticisms that this show gets, or my TV show gets, and it's warranted, and I do it purposefully.
And I've explained this before in different ways, but I have another example.
Do you remember during COVID, you were getting annoyed with me?
And why were you getting annoyed with me?
Because I kept mentioning: if you get a positive test, ask your doctor about what?
Monoclonal antibodies.
Okay.
And you said you say it four times a day.
You've been saying it for months.
Stop.
Shut up.
We've heard you enough already.
And I said, the problem is, if I only say something once or twice or five times or even 10 times, most people are not going to recall this.
They don't immerse themselves in this world that we live in every day, which is news, news, news.
So you have to repeat yourself a lot to get a narrative going.
I do it every election year and I do it by design and on purpose.
And for regular listeners, it may at times get annoying, but the goal and the hope is that over time, you know, if I start in January, by June or July, people are going to be able to talk to their friends and neighbors and co-workers and relatives, and they're going to be an educated, well-informed voter that can counter any argument that can be made, right?
Does that make sense to you?
In theory.
Yeah.
Okay.
Now, when after you criticized me, I said, well, let's do a test.
And I went from caller to caller to caller to caller to caller.
What does Sean tell you to do if you get a positive test?
What should you ask your doctor for COVID during the time?
And how many callers got it right after you were complaining that I said it too much?
No.
Caller said it begins with an M.
No, he said mana.
He said, mana, mana, mana, mana, clo.
Okay.
I'm going to take it.
I take it as a half a win.
He said, all right, I'll give you a mono, but that's about as close as he got.
I remember M, but that's fine.
Let's not split hairs here.
But most people didn't.
And that was kind of surprising to you if I recall at the time, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
How many times have I said on this radio program, Hillary Clinton's bought and paid for Russian disinformation dirty dossier?
With this story, how much more understandable do you think it might be for busy people that are doing great things for our country because stupid, dumb old, repetitive Sean Hannity said it over and over again?
I mean, I think that particular topic, unfortunately, no matter how many times you drive it in, people just know that nothing's ever going to happen.
So they don't commit it to memory.
I'm not as pessimistic as you, but I am not overly optimistic either.
I think the only person who's going to go down, and I think it's a toss-up, and I was talking to Greg Jared about this the other day.
It's a toss-up.
Yeah, you're going to pick up.
I'm going to give you my prediction, and then we got to break.
Clapper?
Clapper or I'm guessing who you're going to pick.
Clapper and I'm sorry, Brennan and Clapper or Brennan and Comey or all three.
So I think it's Clapper is a flip and Brennan is a sink.
What about Comey?
I think Comey's going to skate.
He's got too much dirt on too many people.
So does his kid.
I don't know.
Does it make sense?
Is this the right approach?
Because I know that people will never get this information.
Most people would never know about the Russian people.
I think it's a valiant effort.
I just think that when people know that the government will never and can never arrest them, just like we'll never get all the Epstein stuff because there's too many people in too many places that are high up that we're ever going to get the truth.
I am more confident than you, but I refuse to overpromise and under deliver.
I do believe over time that stuff is going to happen.
I am hopeful, but I am not raising expectations because that would be wrong.
Anyway.
Good idea.
So there's a method to my madness.
During an election year, I'm going to make sure every single person on this show has Sean Hannity's list of why they shouldn't vote for a Democrat and why they should vote for a Republican.
I'm just, that's just the way I roll.
And anyway, I saw a criticism.
I'm like, all right, this is a valid criticism.
It's true.
And I just want to address that head-on.
That is a true statement.
We have to repeat ourselves because the media doesn't do their job.
They lie and they peddle conspiracies.
And they, by the way, they repeat their lies.
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