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What the Media Won’t Tell You - July 14th, Hour 3
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Obviously, while I was away last week, the uh the Jeffrey Epstein story blew up uh in a major way, and I've been in contact with a lot of people, talked to a lot of people, uh, including those people involved in this, and um and the one person that really I think may know more than anybody and may be able to shed enough light on on things is our friend David Schoen,
who is an attorney who's gonna join us in just a minute, and um but no other reason is he was Jeffrey Epstein's attorney for a period of time and spoken with the guy for months, and anyway, he's former pres President Trump's uh former counsel uh and advised Epstein for a year and then took over his entire criminal case.
Uh anyway, quote, I was hired to lead Jeffrey Epstein's defense as his criminal lawyer nine days before he died.
He sought my advice for months before that.
I can authoritatively, unequivocally and definitively say that he had no information of her President Trump, and I specifically asked him, and he also went on to say in an inter interview that it was important to Jeffrey Epstein to make clear to me that he did not have any bad information about President Trump,
didn't like people being falsely accused of having been associated with him in some illegal way, and it's not surprising considering Trump's DOJ is the one that arrest arrested Epstein, and Trump is known to be the only one who openly cooperated with Epstein victims lawyer, and this goes all the way back to 2009.
I think there's been a lot of wild, you know, talks about all of this.
Anyway, uh our friend David Schoen is with us now.
How are you?
Fine, thanks.
How are you?
Nice to be on the show.
I don't know, and I was thinking about this, because you're such a decent human being, and I've known you for so long, and I know everybody deserves a defense, and I know this guy has values that are the just absolute antithesis of who you are, but you also believe that everybody has a right to an attorney, and and like Alan Dershwitz, for example, has been involved in a lot of high profile controversial cases with controversial people, including this one.
Um was that hard for you?
It really wasn't.
I mean, first of all, I never saw this monstrous side that people have, you know, painted him out to be.
Uh I saw him as a guy, frankly, when I met him, you know, as sort of a lonely guy, um, who had a lot of rich friends, and uh and all of those folks had no problem ever associating with him.
You know, it's a who's who of wealthy people and successful people.
Um they only cut their ties with him uh after he got indicted.
So um, you know, listen, as you say, I believe strongly, uh deeply and from the bottom of my heart, everyone deserves a defense, and I was I saw this as a real challenge in this case.
And to be perfectly frank, uh maybe it's ego or otherwise, but it's also why I became a criminal defense lawyer.
When I heard from him that I was the only lawyer in the world he trusted with his life, that motivated me more to fight for him.
Understood, but do you you don't have any doubts that this guy was a creep?
I I don't know.
You know, I don't have judgment uh on people.
Um I presume everybody to be innocent before he's convicted, uh unless and until he's convicted, he had the uh Well, yeah, he did he did have the early conviction in Florida.
That's right, no question about it.
And uh I would say I had, you know, just about nothing in common with him.
But you know, my defense of a guy really is focused on what the charges are against him and uh trying to help him or her out of their legal problems.
So um, you know, that's how I approached this case.
And uh, you know, uh I spent as I say, as I said before, I in uh he introduced me to a guy at lunch date of his who was you know former prime minister of a country and so on.
Um all of these people enjoyed his company, so whether he was creep or not, you know, you have a lot of wealthy, successful people who loved being around him.
Well, I mean, he seemed like a star chaser to me.
Um, but I mean, everything you read about you know, all these young girls seemingly groomed and quote, hired as Masusas and and so on and so forth, it just the whole thing just is repulsive to me.
It also brings up an issue that we have talked at length about on this show.
And and you know, I mentioned this to Linda earlier today, and Linda, you can weigh in.
I mean, for how many years on this program, and by the way, Linda being at the impetus of a lot of it, because sh it happens to be an issue she cares so much about, you know, of that we had, you know, agents for decades of their life just trying to deal with the sex trafficking of young children into our country, and the numbers are in the hundreds and hundreds of thousands, and nobody ever paid attention to us when we report on this.
How many times have we reported on that, Linda?
I mean, more times than I care to count.
It's it's very sad that we even have to.
We we we reported on it, but nobody ever paid attention to it.
And then it was the frustration, for example, I remember uh what's his name?
Era Rodas.
So Tara Rodas was the HHS whistleblower.
She went up against Xavier Biserri.
That's right.
And it was a huge mess, and then you know, they wanted to fire her and get rid of her, which they did.
Um, and then she ended up getting back into another job in the admin.
But you know, her and her husband, her husband happens to be from Ecuador, so she's fluent in Spanish fluent in English.
They're housing these children, and then they were taking them to places that were supposed to be safe houses and it would be a warehouse or a strip joint.
And so they were asking the question, like, what the hell is going on?
Why are we sending it to the other?
We had we had DHS agents that spent their entire career just working on the issue of the sex trafficking of children and uh you know how shocking it was this sheer number of people.
I mean, there are a lot of really disgusting people in the world.
All right, so putting aside your personal feelings about Epstein and putting aside the the sweetheart plea deal that he got in Florida back in the day, uh just for a minute here, um you you were advising him for almost a year, correct?
He was in contact with you for that period of time.
Probably more than a year.
He was having me review his lawyer's work in the case in Florida in which uh it had been reopened or potentially reopened because the victims hadn't gotten proper notice from the government in the case.
He had a whole battery of top-notch lawyers in the country and so on.
But at some point, uh, you know, he asked me to review their work before he was filing it.
And so that's how uh we sort of reinitiated that relationship.
And and then at some point, a few months before he died, he asked me to come to his home in New York to take over all of his litigation.
I didn't feel I was in a position to do that, but then we kept in regular sort of daily touch asking me for advice on different things.
Okay.
Now you you talked about, and Alan Derschwitz has said, and and Dershwitz was very familiar with this, that there was never any list.
And you said that he had no incriminating evidence about President Trump and that you specifically asked about that.
And by the way, if there was incriminating evidence on Trump, don't you think that the Biden DOJ would have released it?
One hundred percent.
Remember, in the Maxwell case, you had Comey's daughter as the prosecutor in the case.
If anyone expects me to believe that if they were incriminating evidence about President Trump and it wouldn't uh and it wouldn't have been leaked by that office, you know, for years already, then you know, again, um sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.
I I don't buy it at all.
Too many people have touched all of the related documents in this case for there to have been anything about it.
But in any event, as I say, it would have at the time I asked him, it would have been in his interest to uh tell all of the information that he had anything bad about President Trump.
And remember, I didn't even know President Trump at that time.
You're talking about 2019.
I I didn't meet President Trump until you know a couple weeks before the impeachment trial.
Um so he had no interest in telling me to try to, you know, satisfy me about anything.
This is a time at a time in his life when it would have served him to have served up to the government all and any and all information he had about prominent people who the government might have wanted to go uh after, and President Trump wouldn't have been the only one.
So I I don't find it at all surprising that there's no client list.
I wouldn't have thought there would be.
He never ever spoke to me about blackmailing anybody or anything like that.
And I think now you see this hypocrisy that we've identified so many times over and over and over again to have Jamie Raskin demanding the list and all of these things.
Where was he the last you know, five, six, seven years?
What was he during the Biden administration about the records and the documents after Epstein passed away?
Um it's hypocrisy.
And what they're doing now by raising this as such an issue, they're empowering groups like the New York Times to focus on the chaos and to play into uh play this All up when you've got so many fabulous things going on in the world with this administration right now between the economy, Middle East, you're gonna expand the Abraham Accords and all that.
There is nothing about this Jeffrey Epstein story that's gonna make America great.
That I can promise you.
Well, but you know what?
I I hear and I'm and maybe maybe Miranda used the right term in saying that you know it was it was handled in a clumsy way.
Yes.
And and my understanding is that the tapes were not tapes of Epstein and victims, but the tapes were kitty porn that he had downloaded.
Were you aware that you know he was that creepy?
No.
I never spoke whatsoever about anything like that with him.
You know, I I if there's uh you know, maybe one thing that I hope comes out of this more than anything else is the level of child sex trafficking in this country.
It is shocking.
You know, we pointed out there are three hundred and fifty plus thousand children that entered our country illegally under Biden and Harris.
We don't know where these children are.
We don't know.
And kids are being sold into sex slavery daily, and that these perverts are of uh I mean, this is a of a problem of a much larger magnitude based on past interviews we've done on this show than most people know.
And that scares the living hell out of me as a parent myself.
Absolutely.
You deserve great credit for it.
And President Trump uh has this as a priority also.
This is part of his immigration uh program.
But again, we lose it, you know, uh the far through the trees.
Uh these folks, you know, you pick out an issue and they attack him or his administration on this one issue here, and I think they've really lost sight of what's going on.
They think for a second that President Trump is trying to cover up for Bill Clinton or somebody else who would be in those files, you know, arguably Prince Andrew and so on.
That it's just not true.
Well, it's got to be something with President Prince Andrew, because I mean, obviously, the you know, the way the royal family reacted was and in my view very appropriate.
Um if not, and the disastrous interview he gave was awful.
Uh, but anyway, we appreciate your time, David.
Thank you.
David Schoen, 800-941 Sean, our number if you want to be a part of the program.
All right, we continue with Jeffrey Epstein's former attorney, David Schoen is with us.
David, I I want to be really, really clear here.
Between the Palm Beach case, which I thought was a sweetheart deal that never should have been given, and all the allegations that have been made by women to me that are very, very credible.
And and I and I agree, every everybody that's accused has the right to an attorney, and and and you've taken on controversial cases your entire career.
Um, but when I look at and I hear these things, it makes my blood boil even thinking about it.
And I know who you are as a person, and I know you believe everybody should have the right to a defense, but you kind of also have your your hands tied here in terms of what you can say and can't say because attorney client privilege it continues into the grave, doesn't it?
You're absolutely right, Sean.
I mean, yes, it continues after a person's death, and uh you're right.
It's uh it's a difficult situation.
But you know, this is a profession that I chose.
I've represented a lot of people who you know you wouldn't want to spend nobody would want to spend any time with.
But uh that's part of the challenge of this profession.
But you're right.
There are many things that I cannot talk about and would not talk about because they're privileged.
Just last week, uh, after I came out with this truth about President Trump not being uh inculpat inculpated in any way, uh somebody actually took action against me.
But uh I I'm not ashamed to do that either.
That was something that he wanted Epstein wanted to put out there because he did want uh, you know, President Trump's name cleared, nobody to uh cast any aspersions against him.
But you're right.
In this situation, um I'm not really free to discuss my personal feelings or anything like that.
This is a defense that I took on, and uh there is an attorney client privilege that um uh goes beyond his death, and uh other you know, I don't speak about any of the other things that we discussed, if they were at all privileged.
But you certainly understand, you know, the general public reading this and and hearing about the magnitude of it, the the natural outrage people have, and and I think that the outrage is justified, uh especially when You're talking about young people as victims or potential victims in this case.
I understand it one hundred percent.
My only the only issue reason now that I'm speaking out, uh this was initiated because Mr. Musk made some uh suggestions about President Trump that the reason these files weren't disclosed because he was hiding something about himself and so on.
That simply wasn't true, and I could not permit that uh to be part of the public dialogue because I am in a position to know that.
And I wanted to authoritatively disabuse anyone of that notion.
Beyond that, you know, I don't really comment on Setskin's conduct and so on.
I perfectly well understand the public perception and the public uh animus toward him and and this situation.
Well, I don't believe it was suicide.
I I say that for two reasons.
I met with him nine days before he died.
He hired me to take over his case, subject to either my bringing my own team in or seeing if his folks wanted to, you know, would accept that, and I didn't think that they would.
Um he gave me another task that he asked me to do that was only forward looking.
And and and I know that during that week uh he was giving out orders consistent with the defense that we were planning in his case.
But more importantly, perhaps, is that uh Dr. Michael Biden participated in the uh an outside um independent examiner in the forensic examination of his body, and he has said many times first of all that the medical examiner on site was the assistant, uh, said she could not come to any conclusion.
But secondly, that he has done tens of thousands of autopsies, and he's never seen injuries like this consistent with a suicide.
So the idea that anyone now can say definitively, oh, this was a suicide, I just don't buy that.
But I I don't have any conspiracy theory about anyone who killed him, or otherwise, I just don't think it's fair to anyone conclusively say it was a suicide for those reasons.
David Schoen, appreciate your time.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you very much.
Less big government.
This is the Sean Hannity show.
All right, 25 now till the top of the hour, 800, 941 Sean.
If you want to be a part of the program, uh mentioned this earlier.
I am I am beyond disgusted.
I do cast blame and aspersion on people and the rhetoric and the groups that are out there uh putting ICE agents' lives in jeopardy.
Uh but oh well let's give out the location of a potential attack on ICE agents.
Well, it's happening.
It's happening left and right.
You know, you got a uh a guy ramming an ICE vehicle with his car in Linda Vista, California before three activists attacking agents.
Then you have uh nearly a dozen violent assailants equipped with tactical gear and weapons attacking uh ICE agents at a detention facility in Texas.
Uh the attack occurred just days before an armed activist shot a U.S. border uh official in McCallan, Texas, coordinated, you know, to vandalize the facility and disrupt operations there.
There are eleven suspects in that attack.
The S FBI arrested ten of the eleven, uh, and it's only the tip of the iceberg.
He had a gunman pro that identified open fire at an entrance of a U.S. border patrol sector annex in McCallan.
That suspect neutralized by law enforcement who acted heroically to stop the shooter before there was any loss of life, and another McCallum police officer shot in the leg and a border patrol officer, border patrol of employee sustaining injuries.
Then you have outside the San Francisco immigration court a video shared by ICE capturing a tense altercation between agents and protesters.
Then you got footage posted on X showing mass protesters scuffling with ICE agents wielding batons, get back, get back.
Agents are heard trying to protect themselves.
Uh then you had federal law enforcement officers executing criminal warrant operations at marijuana grow sites and carpenteria and Camarillo out in California during the operation ten illegal immigrant children were rescued from potential exploitation, forced labor, human trafficking.
You know, a Democratic congressman allegedly took part in a violent mob attack on ICE agents.
This was in the Washington Times.
You know, it's it's uh uh but it's pretty unbelievable what's going on.
And then the LA mayor, Karen Bass announced a new cash giveaway plan for Biden illegals.
And she claims the cash will come from the city's philanthropic partners.
And she says we that there is a need for me to have an executive directive to help our city understand how to protect itself from our federal government.
That basically means get in the way, even though the we we do have a constitution, a supremacy clause, and jurisdiction lies with the federal government.
We'll get to more of this on the other side.
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Uh let me play back to this immigration issue.
Tom Holman was at a turning point event this weekend challenging a heckler uh to meet him off stage.
Listen to this.
That's not what they wanted.
They're playing the long game.
Let's release them in the community.
Wait twenty three or five years.
Pardon me?
Are you an MS 13 member?
Hey, hey, that's okay.
That's okay.
I got a I got a question.
No, no, no.
I got a question for you.
Why don't you come up here and hand me that picture?
Bring it.
USA!
USA!
All right.
USA!
You guys got morons like this or other country?
This guy, this guy wouldn't always like the Service Nation.
This guy ain't got the balls to be an ice officer.
He hasn't got the balls to be a bomb show agent.
This guy lives in his mother's basement.
The only thing that surprised me, you don't have purple hair in a nose ring.
Get out of here, you loser.
And hey, and you're such a badass, meet me off stage in 13 minutes and 50 seconds.
You know, I've tried hard to get Tom Holman to laugh.
Uh-uh.
All business.
All business.
And he is passionate about keeping our cities and towns safe from all of the Biden Harris illegals and known terrorists.
And we learned today another, you know, more Iranian assassination squads.
And we have cartel members and gang members and murderers and rapists and other violent criminals, all on vetted, thanks to Joe Kamala Mayorcus.
His Christie Gnome being grilled on MBC over the treatment of detainees at Alligator Alcatraz.
Oh, I didn't know that all these illegals should have room service.
Listen.
Alligator Alcatraz.
Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz said that the conditions there are inhumane, more than 30 people stuffed into a jail cell.
She said they get their drinking water and they brush their teeth from the same place where they go to the bathroom, Madam Secretary.
What do you say to these lawmakers who argue this is not humane treatment of individuals, of humans?
Well, our detention centers at the federal level are held to a higher standard than most local or state centers and even federal prisons.
The standards are extremely high.
Now, this is a state-run facility at Alligator Alcatraz.
They have a stuffed into a jail.
They have a contrast.
Well, I've been there and I've seen these rooms that they are in.
Um I wouldn't call them jail cells.
I would call them a facility where they are held and that are secure facilities, but are held to the highest levels of what the federal government requires for detention facilities.
Democrats have called them cages, though.
I wish they would have said that back during the Biden administration and back when Democrats were in the White House and they were piling people on top of each other on cement floors, uh, and literally didn't have two feet to move.
They never did that, and that's why this politics has to end.
And then you know, in the same interview, Christy Noam is confronted, you know, over reports that of thousands of unanswered calls to FEMA after the Texas flood, which is not true.
Listen.
The New York Times is reporting that thousands of calls from flood victims to FEMA call centers went unanswered in the middle of this ongoing disaster, because you didn't renew contracts to keep call center staff in place until nearly one week after the floods.
Why did it take so long to extend those false?
Those contracts were in place.
Nobody takes five days.
No employees were off of work.
Every one of them was answering calls.
Uh so false reporting, fake news, and it's discouraging.
It's discouraging that during this time when we have such a loss of life and so many people's lives have turned upside down that people are playing politics with this.
Uh, because the response time was immediate.
And if you talk to anyone in Texas that was there that was a part of this operation, they would say the federal government and President Trump immediately responded.
Just to be very clear, on July 7th, 15.9% of calls were answered.
I mean, does that concern you that only 15% of calls were answered?
These are people in a desperate state.
FEMA often the first call that they make, only 15% were answered on July 7th, several days after the floods.
These contracts were in place, and those people were in those call centers, and they were picking up the phone and answering.
One other issue before we head to our busy phones.
Um learning more about this Trump assassination attempt.
Everything I told you at the time, this was not a slope roof.
Well, Kimberly Cheadle, the then head of the Secret Service, said was just false.
And I say this as somebody that did roofing and fell off a roof, a steep sloped roof, not a fake slope roof that she was claiming this was.
And the worst part of this is they had threats as many as ten days in advance, and those threats were never shared with any other law enforcement that was at the event, and nothing was done to up the security of of then candidate Donald Trump, as we are one year away from it.
It seems like a lifetime ago.
But anyway, here's Pat Fallon on Trump's assassination attempt.
Not only did the Secret Service not share the threat intel with other agencies, they didn't share it with Trump's detail.
Yesterday was the one year anniversary of President Trump's assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania.
That report revealed that the Secret Service knew there was a threat ten days before the rally.
They didn't share any information with local and federal law enforcement congressman.
You were a member of the Congressional Task Force that investigated all of this.
What are the next steps?
What else needs to happen so that this does not happen again?
especially in the era we're in now, we find ourselves where there's more political violence.
Cyril, not only did the Secret Service not share this with other agencies, they didn't share it with President Trump's detail.
That Iran was put, you know, posed a dire threat to President Trump's life.
He should have been receiving at that time, because it was very unique circumstance.
He was the former president.
He was uh a nation state was trying to assassinate him for actions he took as president.
He was also the leading candidate to be the next president, which he is now.
He should have had uh security that was commiserate with a sitting U.S. president because of the unique nature of who uh who he was, who he is, and the threat at that time.
I mean, how can they be that incompetent?
Pretty unbelievable.
All right, to our busy phones we go as we say hi to Don in Iowa.
Hey Don, how are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Hi, Sean.
Thank you very much for taking my call.
Um I appreciate you and naturally your whole crew, because they're all great.
Linda and Katie and uh they're great a lot of the time.
Oh, yes.
Absolutely.
Linda's gonna be quiet on that one.
Listen, it's your first day back.
I'm giving you a pass.
Tomorrow I'm all in.
So enjoy it while you can, my friend.
Give me a pass today.
I get a pass to the case.
Just today.
Just today.
I'm getting a pass today.
I'm not gonna be in trouble.
No New York on me today.
That's right.
Tomorrow it's on like Donkey Kong, so enjoy it while it lasts.
Now that you live in Pennsylvania, why do you keep still keep the New York accent?
Why don't you get rid of it?
Why not?
Why can't I be me?
Why you gotta hate?
Not hating.
You're just jealous because you lost yours.
That's okay.
When you get tired, it still comes out.
Don, what's on your mind?
Still love the uh steak and cheese sub, so it's okay to keep the accent.
Um no, thank you.
Uh what uh seriously, what they everybody's been talking about a lot is the use of the autopen.
And what's got me wondering is if they're looking into the investigation of the autopen being used to cancel the uh oil, the natural gas shipments to Europe, which gave Russia the power over Europe to start the war that they started.
I mean, Joe Biden gave an interview, said he didn't even know they canceled the natural gas shipments.
And you know, him not knowing, again, gave Russia all the power in the world to supply the natural gas to Europe, and when Germany protested against their build-up or against Ukraine, um uh Putin just told them you either mind your own business or we'll shut off the gas and freeze your people.
And that was all all what I've read, you know, as true facts.
There's a there's a lot happening this week as it relates to you know, the president has done everything humanly possible to make a deal with Vladimir Putin.
Now, there are you know, we're expecting the ceasefire.
Uh we're we now know the president has authorized monies to go to NATO for Ukrainian defense if they so if they choose to so use it that way.
Um these are not freebies, they're gonna pay for the they're gonna pay for all of it.
Um the munitions that they're gonna buy.
I think that's very, very smart.
And you know, I think I I we've got to get to the bottom of all of this, to be honest.
Absolutely.
And like I said, I I think that in itself is huge.
Just to find out you know, was the auto pen used for that purpose?
Because if I'd like to know.
I mean, look, this became a proxy war under Biden and Harris of the U.S. versus Putin.
It never should have evolved into that.
And and Joe Biden sat idly by, did nothing as Putin was amassing troops and his military might on the border with Ukraine, and was asked, well, what happens if they invade it?
Well, it depends if it's a minor incursion.
And look at the result.
It's been a disaster.
Anyway, Don and I we we appreciate your call, buddy.
Thank you.
God bless you.
And that's gonna wrap things up for today.
Hannity tonight, nine Eastern Fox News.
We are back.
Uh we have the Hannity White House briefing with Caroline Levitt, Lindsey Graham.
Uh the battle against Russia continues as the president threatens to cut off Russia from the world from world trade by imposing a hundred percent tariffs and giving and selling weaponry to NATO.
Uh also, uh, is it true?
Is it possible?
We'll ask John Solomon and James Comer.
The FBI opens a grand conspiracy probe on the weaponization.
The last ten years of the deep states treatment of Donald Trump.
How important is this?
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