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Dr. Oz - June 20th, Hour 2
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It is 800-941.
Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, well, predictably, Democrats are out there doing their usual, you know, Medicaid, Mediscare, and trying to scare old people into believing there's going to be massive cuts to Medicare, Social Security.
Poor people, elderly people will only eat dog food and cat food until somebody that looks like Donald Trump comes by, takes them in their wheelchair, and throws them over a cliff.
I mean, we have heard this now, these phony, false arguments, these fear tactics, these outright lies for years.
You go back to Newt Gingrich and Bill Clinton when they reduced the rate of growth for Medicaid.
They went from 7% a year every year for 7%.
They went to 7%.
They're increasing spending 7% a year, every year for seven years, but because it wasn't the 12, 13% that they originally had allocated for, that's a cut.
Well, that's a massive increase because it was twice the rate of inflation.
But that didn't stop Democrats from going out there demagoguing and just outright lying, just like Joe's not a cognitive mess, just like the borders are secure, just like inflation is transitory, et cetera, et cetera.
It's just the same old things.
Republicans are racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic.
They want dirty air and water, and they want to kill grandma and grandpa.
Dr. Oz is leading point on this entire issue and talking about what is really in the reconciliation bill.
There is no cut at all as it relates to Medicaid, Medicare at all.
And here's what he said.
We are responsible for Judy Canning about $1.7 trillion to CMS.
That's twice the size of the defense budget.
It's massive.
It puts a big target on our back.
There are massive efforts by foreign governments and domestic thieves to steal money from the programs.
We have got to clean up the fraud, waste, and abuse.
The changes that the House bill has, and they're very wise ones, are the ones that are going to allow us to use these programs to protect our vulnerable because when they steal money from these programs, they're stealing from our most vulnerable.
This is the most ambitious health reform bill ever in American history.
It's imperative that it passes so people like me can actually keep CMS running smoothly.
Anyway, Dr. Oz also putting out here that changes to the One Big Beautiful Bill are the ones that are going to allow us to use these programs to protect our vulnerable because when they steal money from these programs, they are stealing from our most vulnerable.
It is imperative that it passes.
Now, what does all that mean when you break it down?
We had John Thunon earlier in the week.
We got his take on all of this.
Dr. Oz is heading up this effort.
And I want to eliminate any fear, ambiguity.
I want to counter the lies that are being told on this.
Dr. Mehmet Oz is with us.
He is the administrator for the Centers for Medicare, Medicaid Services.
Dr. Oz, welcome back, sir.
How are you?
Thank you, Sean.
And you articulated it so beautifully.
We love these programs.
The president has said that explicitly.
He loves and cherishes Medicare and Medicaid.
He's not touching Medicare at all, by the way.
Those rumors are already out there.
Senators are being approached in the supermarket aisles saying, don't cut my Medicare.
No one's touching Medicare.
This is an effort to clean up Medicaid, take care of the waste, the fraud, the abuse that's in the system, so that we have enough money to take care of the people who are in the program.
The people who we're charged with managing, those at the dawn of their life, the children, those at the twilight of their life, the elderly and those in the shadows, Sean, who aren't going to get better necessarily and they're having difficult times and they've got illnesses that sometimes are chronic.
We want these folks managed for 60 years.
This country has been doing it through Medicaid.
Every great society is judged by how they take care of folks who are having trouble.
We are great people.
We do it.
But the fact that we've allowed the system to get perverted over the last few years to make it easy for fraudsters to take advantage of it, to facilitate putting people on these programs who don't need to be on the programs, they should be getting their insurance elsewhere, to let people who shouldn't be trying to get a job not feel some pressure to do just that.
It's good for them, by the way, anyway, for many reasons.
They'll make more money with a job.
But the fact that we haven't urged those folks to get out of their houses and try to participate in communities or get an education or just volunteer is wrong, and it hurts the program.
And we're seeing this in more and more blue states when governors can't manage their budgets anymore because they haven't been facing these challenges head-on.
And in every state, Sean, in every state, the fastest growing health item is Medicaid.
It's the health budget.
All right.
Can you break down and make the distinction for people that may not know between Medicaid and Medicare?
Can you also explain how for the same services, Medicaid pays X, Medicare pays Y, three times as much?
Can you explain that?
And so people can have an understanding of how insane this whole system is and the urgent need for reform.
So when you get your paycheck, there's 2.9% taken out for the government to pay for Medicare.
Medicare is the insurance program for older Americans once you get past age 65.
There's some other exceptions for chronic illness, but that's basically Medicare.
Medicaid was the program designed for folks who didn't have any money, who didn't meet the federal poverty level of income.
So this is typically children.
You know, half the children in the country are born into Medicaid or CHIP, the children's health insurance system.
So the kids don't have money because they're not working.
So if their parents don't have resources, they become financially challenged.
We want to help those kids and make sure they're given appropriate preventive care and grow up healthy and strong.
Their moms are protected.
Folks who are living a life where they've had difficulties getting a job or holding a job and don't have income are also given health insurance through Medicaid.
This is a social obligation, I feel.
And I think as a nation, we have decided, and for 60 years we have provided insurance to these Medicaid folks.
It was all going fine.
And then over the last 15 years, there's been an effort by primarily the Democratic Party to re-engineer it, to expand Medicaid, to allow it to cover people who were not part of the original deal.
When you do that, you create some risks.
And I'm not saying it was done on purpose, but there's no question what happened.
There was a dramatic increase in the amount of money that was being spent to give people insurance through Medicaid.
Even people who should be working in jobs were now given Medicaid insurance coverage.
And it has allowed those programs, Medicaid, to grow 50%.
Well, how did they allow for this eligibility?
I'm not trying to interrupt you here.
Sean, it never crossed anyone's mind 60 years ago that you would ever give free health insurance to able-bodied individuals.
And they didn't put it in the law because it never dawned on anybody you'd even try to do that.
But with the Obamacare program, because they didn't think they could afford to do it through the other tactics that were offered, they decided, you know what, we'll just expand Medicaid.
We'll give Medicaid insurance, not just to the kids and to the poor folks and the elderly.
We'll actually give it to able-bodied individuals who don't have a job.
And so by doing that, you introduced a whole different dynamic.
And then here's the part that really gets me, to your initial question.
When Obama wrote the, put this law in place, he said that you could not pay more for an able-bodied person than someone on Medicare.
I'll say it again.
A Medicaid patient, an able-bodied person without a job, and therefore living in poverty and given free insurance by the government, was not allowed to pay a doctor more than a senior who'd worked their whole life and put money into the system, retired on Medicare.
And the reason for that is because you don't want doctors deciding to take care of Medicaid patients over Medicare patients, right?
They're all equal.
This changed.
Under the Biden administration, they changed it to say you could pay Medicaid patients, these able-bodied individuals, up to three times more than Medicare.
That, of course, completely destroyed the system.
Because now you have doctors thinking, my goodness, you know, I get paid more for taking care of an able-bodied, healthy person on Medicaid than I do an older person who's on Medicare.
So it begins to cause huge instability in the system.
This one big, beautiful bill is a bold and appropriate effort to fix this injustice.
It's the right thing to do.
I know that people are making up stories around it, but I want to applaud the Republican senators who have crafted some improvements to a bill that was already really well done by the House.
Speaker Johnson got congressional leaders together and crafted a very, very effective bill.
It's exactly what we need within government to make sure that Medicaid is going to be around for the next generation.
Well, it's headed towards insolvency based on every estimate that I've seen over the years.
My question is, all right, so you have able-bodied people.
Now, we do have millions of jobs open in the country right now.
We had the latest job numbers come out.
It's very clear there's millions of them.
And so you have able-bodied people that are on these Medicaid roles, and they're paying all this.
We are paying for their health care, which ostensibly, correct me if I'm wrong, is that not nationalized health care?
Yeah, this is, you know, we're edging perilously close to that.
And we have a system that would work if we kept the incentives in place the way they were originally designed.
And Sean, I can't emphasize this enough.
The original program created 60 years ago next month worked well.
I mean, it took care of the groups that I mentioned who otherwise would have been left behind.
And as a great nation, we will continue to do that.
The Republican Party just wants these programs to survive.
You look around the country at states like California and Illinois and Minnesota, which just today I was reading in the paper that they are starting to pull back from some of their programs to fund illegal immigrants on Medicaid.
I mean, first of all, it's not the right thing to do because people in other states should not be forced to pay for decisions you make in your state.
But more importantly, they can't even afford it in their own states.
So we need to make the bold and correct decisions today to save these vitally important programs for tomorrow.
What do we do with these states that are paying massive amounts of money to illegal immigrants?
For example, like California, about two-thirds of the health care payments for the poor, indigent, or people that are not working.
Is that not coming from the federal government, meaning every taxpayer, not just Californians?
Yes, yes, yes.
I don't think people know this, Sean, and your listeners, as smart as they are, may not have kept up with this.
I'll just put the numbers out there.
90% of the money that a state might pay to a Medicaid patient who's able-bodied is going to come from the federal government.
90%.
So they make the decision of who they want to cover, and we're stuck with the bill.
So we have said already in this administration, we are not going to compensate you for undocumented individuals.
If they're illegal immigrants and you want to give them Medicaid on your dollar, then it's up to you to do that.
We're not going to do it.
And that's why you now see all of a sudden California, Illinois, Minnesota, states that had made these decisions and were boldly standing tall because they're going to do the right thing.
Now they're saying, well, it's not that right because we can't afford it.
All of a sudden, instead of being in a surplus for our state budget, we're in a big deficit.
And they're now starting to get upset that we're not compensating them.
But it's not right to ask someone living in Florida or Texas to pay for an illegal immigrant on Medicaid in California.
They didn't vote for it.
They don't want it.
It's not their responsibility.
And I'm not doing my job.
I'm not representing the president well if I'm allowing that to happen.
So this administration is very clear.
We are going to take care of the American people.
The president always has.
He always will.
This battle, although it's politically bruising, is the right thing to do for those Americans who will need Medicaid in the future.
We will preserve it.
We will protect it.
We will love and cherish it.
All right, quick break more with Dr. Oz on the other side.
And your calls coming up 800-941-Sean as we continue this Friday.
All right, we continue now with Dr. Oz.
He is the administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.
Let's talk about the advancement in the future of medicine.
For example, I brought this up the last time you were on the program.
We have a guy, Dr. Josh Umber.
He's out of Wichita, Kansas, and he had a concierge service, $50 a month per adult, $10 per child, and it was 24-hour concierge care.
They would take care of almost all of your medical needs, you know, short of cancer, heart attack, stroke, and really severe circumstances.
But if you took that $50 a month and you coupled it with a catastrophic plan with the lowest deductible you can afford, it would fully cover individuals.
It included telemedicine as part of it.
It included healthcare cooperatives like this as part of it.
I mean, we've got to re-examine, in my view, the paradigm, how we do medicine.
Well, I think we need to bring in digital solutions, and you just hinted at those.
Programs like the one you outlined make a lot of sense because there's a lot of alignment of incentives.
This is, again, what the president is so good at.
You align what the federal government wants, with what the state governments want, with what the doctors want, with what the patients want.
So if a doctor is giving that kind of care at those transparent prices, and then you can scale it, you can grow it by allowing there to be some crutching on digital solutions.
I'll give you a good example.
Doctors spend most of their time charting.
You don't want your doctor and nurse writing in the chart all the time.
You want them looking you in the eyes, taking care of you.
We have technology now that would allow us to gather while the doctor's in their workflow, while they're taking care of you, gather the data electronically and tabulate it and make it accessible and understandable with artificial intelligence so the patient can have a copy when they go home to share with their family.
That's something we should be making easy to do, not hard to do.
You mentioned telemedicine, another good example where especially in rural areas.
And I want to just focus on this.
We have got to help rural medicine.
Members of the audience who are living in rural areas, the Republican Party, this bill is going to help you.
And people are making up stories about how it's designed to hurt some of the poor hospitals.
It's the opposite.
The hospitals that have lobbyists and are located in affluent urban areas, they're able to get all the contacts they need to take money out of the system.
The folks who are left behind need to have transparent tactics to help them.
What you just brought up is an example of that.
We have the technology to do it.
We should be investing in rural health care to make sure all Americans have equal access to high-quality care.
Dr. Oz, I hope people are hearing you loud and clear because this is going to result in improved health care on a level that we've never seen before, institutionalized modernization in the medical care system, and Americans will be healthier as a result.
Dr. Oz, appreciate your time.
As always, thank you, sir, for being with us.
When we get back, 800, 941, Sean is on number.
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That much, I can tell you.
I can't help it.
There's certain Democrats that just stand out that I really, really love.
And one of them, we don't talk enough about him.
And that's Congressman Hank Johnson.
You might recall his warning that Guam may capsize.
Listen.
I don't know how many square miles that is.
Do you happen to know?
I don't have that figure with me, sir.
I can certainly supply it to you if you'd like.
Yeah, my fear is that the whole island will become so overly populated that it will tip over and capsize.
We don't anticipate that.
I mean, you really can't make it up.
And that's why there's like Jasmine Crockett, AOC, the squad.
There's just certain Democrats I like more than others.
Grandpa Bernie.
I think they're all crazy and they make good representatives.
Anyway, here's Hank Johnson and his bizarre rant on Trump and the administration's deportations.
Now, remember, we're deporting, let's see, murderers, child molesters, gang members, drug dealers.
Listen.
First, they came for the Latinos outside of the Home Depots.
And I didn't say anything about it because I'm not a Latino at the Home Depot.
Then they came for the Hispanic-looking folks wearing hats backward with tattoos.
And I didn't say anything about that because I don't wear my hair backward and I don't have any tattoos and I don't look like a Latino.
And then they came and arrested a white female judge, a state court judge.
And I didn't say anything then because I'm not a judge or white female judge, state court.
I mean, again, the guy's a real genius.
And then remember when Joe Biden's classified documents, you know, they were in his garage next to the Corvette.
They were in four separate locations.
Going back to his years in the Senate in some cases, go to the library at whatever college they were stored at.
He thinks that Piden's classified documents could have been planted.
Sounds like a conspiracy theory.
Listen.
Things can be planted.
Things can be planted in places and then discovered conveniently.
That may be what has occurred here.
I'm not ruling that out.
And people on the local level at affected school board meetings, they won't forget the MAGA Republicans descending on their school board meetings after January 6th, like January 6th, disrupting meetings.
It was a coordinated attack happening across the country.
Americans won't forget about it.
School board members, teachers, administrators subjected to violence, threats of violence, harassment, intimidation.
And in response to that, the National School Boards Association sent a letter to the Biden administration seeking federal help.
Things had gotten so far out of hand.
Well, Hank Johnson, the reason I bring all this up, the man that thinks that Guam can capsize back in the news today because he has an anti-Trump song inspired by Jimi Hendrix.
Remember, hey, Joe?
That's an oldie.
Anyway, here's his version.
I'm compelled with a new guitar and with some thoughts about that old song, Hey Joe, you know, to give some commentary on where we are now.
Boom!
Hey, Trump.
Where you going with that gun in your hand?
I'm going down the street and shoot down democracy.
You know, I want to be a king someday.
I'm going down and shoot democracy down.
You know, I want to be the king someday.
Hey, Donald Trump.
We won't let you take our democracy down.
Take it down to the ground.
Hey, Trump.
We won't let you take our democracy down.
Burn it down to the ground.
Linda, you love that.
You used to be the musician in art.
I got to tell you, if he tuned the guitar and actually could sing, then it would be amazing.
If he tuned the guitar and could sing, then it would be amazing.
Then it would be amazing.
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Joe in my free state of Florida.
Joe, hey, how are you?
Glad you called.
I am just leaving Ruth Eckert Hall right now.
I got my tickets for Saturday.
Oh, really?
Oh, so you got your ticket?
I'm so happy.
That's awesome.
Yeah, there's not many left.
Not many.
There's a couple seats up in front of me that are a little pricey, but it's going to be a big sellout.
It's going to be awesome.
Yeah, I was told that there's less than like 100 tickets left.
But, you know, I hope everyone comes, has a great time.
And we're really working on a great show.
It's one week from tomorrow.
Can you believe it?
It's here.
I'm excited.
It's going to be great.
We've got one problem, though.
There's a big sign I'm standing looking at.
It says no weapons allowed on premises.
So I guess you're going to be the only one that's armed.
That would be a good thing for me.
But if there's no weapons allowed on premises, that probably means me.
There will be plenty of security there.
You have to assume where I show up that there's going to be somebody that hates my guts, right?
Oh, yeah.
There's many liberals floating around this campus right now, I see, as I get in my car.
Yeah, you know, they make it fun.
They'll make it entertaining.
Yeah, it's going to be fun.
I just, I really admire the way that you can dance on the razor blade when you're talking about, I know your friendship with the president and the things that you can and can't talk about.
I'm a retired Navy chief.
Did time in a carrier in the Gulf War and then wound up in the streets of Baghdad 15 years later when the Shiites and the Sunnis were thought it was more fun to kill us than each other.
But I really admire what you do.
And I think that I don't think the president is going to pass this on to anybody else.
I mean, Reagan had his Russians and Trump knows what he's got to do.
And I think he's handling it well and trying to get him to surrender.
But I don't think he's going to pass this along.
This has to be done now.
Do you agree?
Well, he's been very clear.
And I take him at his word.
And frankly, he has a history of keeping his word on these issues.
The caliphate is an example.
Baghdadi and Associates is an example.
Solomani is an example.
He dropped the mother of all bombs, if you recall.
So he's not against using military force.
I know that there are some people that kind of pervertedly have interpreted not forever war to mean no military use ever.
But, you know, people are entitled to their opinion.
I don't really care what they think or what they say.
I have my opinion, and I just believe that evil has to be confronted.
And otherwise, it would be a big, big mistake if you allowed them to get these weapons.
That's my opinion.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
So listen, good seeing you.
Good talking to Anne.
I'll see you next week.
Hopefully, I get a chance to shake your hand.
All right, my friend.
I'm looking forward to it.
And thank you.
We'll have a great time.
We're going to put our heart and soul into it.
I can promise you that.
All right, quick freak, we'll come right back.
More of your phone calls coming up straight ahead.
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All right, let's get back to our busy phones this Friday.
800-941-Sean, our number.
David in Texas.
God bless Texas.
David, happy Friday to you, sir.
What's going on?
How are you, Sean?
I'm calling you from the other free state in our country, the state of Texas.
As a veteran, I just wanted to thank you for the support that you give us.
I love your show.
You are the reincarnate of Rush Limbaugh.
You are the voice of this movement.
There's no Rush Limbaugh.
You can't, Dana, you know, he's Babe Ruth.
There's only one Babe Ruth.
Well, I even love the products on your show.
I'm hoping the taxes, no tax on overtime happens so I can get a burner.
But listen, the reason I called is to ask you, I got to assume that Iran is somewhat a little bit intelligent about they know that nobody can reach that deep except us.
What do you think the chances are that the material in that bunker is being moved?
Is it possible that those Chinese military planes are moving the enriched uranium out so that it's not destroyed?
I don't like any of it.
I think that I'm very suspicious.
Either that or they're providing some military equipment of some kind.
So I really don't know.
And I just honestly, I just hope that this issue was resolved safely.
I agree with the president's proposition that he keeps repeating that they can't have nuclear weapons and unconditional surrender.
And, you know, I'm not really moved by the fact at all that he is giving them an additional two weeks.
I assume he has more information than I do.
And that's the best I can say.
I mean, I think he has a track record.
I know there are people, isolationist types in his ear that would, you know, rather we turn a blind eye.
And I think that would put the world on the precipice of a potential, you know, Holocaust in our lifetime.
And that's pretty scary just based on their previous actions, right?
Right.
And the other thing that concerns me is I don't think the retaliation Iran's going to do is going to be anything against our military because that's too obvious and we're preparing for that.
I agree with you about the immigrants that came in illegally.
I think it's going to be something, a sell that gets woken up here in our country.
I pray that doesn't happen, but I think that that's already in place.
And I just pray to God that that's not.
Well, you know, the argument that people are making not to get involved because there might be an attack on the homeland, those people are already here.
I've been saying now for years that it's not when, it's if.
It's not if, it's when.
It's going to happen.
Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Mayorkis, they allowed known terrorists in the country.
We have Iranian assassination squads in the country.
So, you know, whether this could be a trigger, it was a trigger that was going to be pulled at some point anyway.
And I hope to God that our FBI and that our intelligence community is able to track these people down.
I really do with all my heart.
Well, I appreciate your time, and I love what you do, and thank you from the bottom of my heart as a veteran.
Well, thank you for serving your country.
You're a good man.
God bless you.
God bless Texas, my friend.
800-941 Sean is on number this Friday if you want to be a part of the program.
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And by the way, when you go to ChefIQ.com, you're going to get 15% off Chef IQ Sense.
Check out their brand new Chef IQ mini oven.
I got an early version of it.
They're going to be launching this very, very soon.
It transforms how you cook and bake.
You put it right on your countertop.
It's got best-in-class features.
It is an incredible, incredible invention, just like Chef IQ Sense.
Anyway, check it out.
Go to chefiq.com.
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