Dangers of Gender Modification Surgery - May 29th, Hour 2
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Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, I got to give a lot of credit to the Maha Movement.
Health and Human Services Secretary Robert Kennedy Jr., I think, has done a phenomenal job, and he's fulfilling his promise to educate the American people about dangers of food colorings, additives, chemicals in our foods.
And he's also giving the American people choices.
We also have to give a lot of credit to Dr. Oz, who's going to join us in a minute.
They have identified ways to get savings in Medicaid.
Number one, just taking the 13 million, 14 million illegal immigrants off of Medicaid, for example, is going to cost us, it's going to save us a fortune.
On top of that, we have discovered massive increases in Medicaid, especially over the last 12, 14 years, to the point where it's now headed towards insolvency.
And what we're seeing is the federal contribution and the original intent of what Medicaid was supposed to be about has evolved into the left's effort to socialize or create a national health service, if you will, or the equivalent thereof.
Yesterday, Dr. Oz announced that the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, of which he is the head, is launched an oversight initiative on hospitals performing experimental sex trait modification procedures.
And they sent a letter to select hospitals that are performing pediatric sex trait modification procedures outlining urgent concerns with both the quality standards adherence and profits related to these harmful procedures.
Quote, these are irreversible, high-risk procedures being conducted on vulnerable children, often at taxpayer expense, said Dr. Oz.
He said, hospitals accepting federal funds are expected to meet rigorous quality standards, uphold the highest quality of stewardship when it comes to public resources.
We will not turn a blind eye to procedures that lack a solid foundation of evidence that may result in lifelong harm.
And they have previously noted the lack of reliable clinical evidence supporting the quality and the safety of puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, sex trait modification surgeries for minors.
Now, remember, this became a big deal during the campaign and the left in America.
For example, Tim Walz wanted gender-affirming care, care, not counseling, care for young adults, in other words, underage without parental consent.
Now, these are life-changing, life-altering decisions.
And I don't think anybody under the age of 18 is capable of making that decision for crying out loud, you can't buy a jewel pod without an ID and proof that you're over the age of 21.
Never mind a bottle of beer, a bottle of wine, or a spirit of any kind.
I mean, how old do you have to be to get a driver's license?
In some states, it's a little lower.
But the idea that this can happen without any parental consent on top of the fact that it's happening at all and that taxpayers are funding it is insane.
Anyway, Dr. Oz joins us now.
Sir, how are you?
Very well, beautifully articulated.
It is a sensitive topic to a lot of Americans because we don't want the young generation hurt irreversibly.
Ironically, just to add to the discussion, we had put a white paper out where, as you pointed out, the president and Secretary Kennedy are curious people.
And by curious, I mean they actually want to know the answer.
80% of questions are really statements in the skies.
You face that all the time.
But in this case, we really want to know the answer.
So we did a white paper.
It turns out that the countries that were leading in these gender operations, these disfiguring mutilating operations, the UK, Scandinavia, they stopped.
They pulled back because they realized after a while that most of these young kids are troubled in ways that you're not going to fix with surgery.
There's a lot of kids who make a decision when they're 13, 14, 15.
And then five years later, they realize it was a terrible mistake.
It's too late.
You've lost your organs.
They recreated you in something else into something else.
And that's not a life that you're happy living with.
The joy is gone from intercourse.
A lot of things then follow after that, which are, again, irreversible.
And you made a decision at the age 13, 14, 15 that is irreversible, but you have to live with.
And so we believe that institutions that are involved in these types of procedures should be aware that we're watching.
They should be reporting to everybody what their results are.
We should also be very clear that's a financial motivation here.
These are operations sometimes that cost $150,000 per child because you've got to take something off and recreate something in its place.
These are incentives sometimes to do things that are not in the best interest of the American people.
And we want folks to be aware that's happening.
So we've sent letters to nine of these institutions that are very much engaged in this process so that they'll respond with very specific to our very specific questions.
And hopefully we'll all learn a bit more about what's really going down.
Well, I want to understand and want more detailed explanations of how, for example, informed consent is obtained for pediatric patients and whether parents are involved in the decision and how our taxpayer funds going towards this, being that it's so controversial.
Well, that's, by the way, part of the discussion that we're having is when you have a mental health condition, which is what is being used as the excuse for these operations, they argue these kids are going to hurt themselves if they don't have their gender transformed.
That, by the way, is a highly speculative, unproven claim that has been crutched on quite a bit, but we don't believe it's correct.
And our white paper reinforces that reality.
Again, that's one of the reasons they're not doing these operations as much in other parts of the world.
They used to be pioneering the work.
But you're asking a very critical question: is taxpayer money being used for these?
And we actually control the payment of care for over half the kids in the country between Medicaid and CHIP, which is children's health insurance program.
That's about 53% of all the kids in the country.
And so we believe that at least in those two instances, kids should not be undergoing operations with taxpayer dollars.
We have rules and regulations we have the ability to put out, and we've already started this process.
And we want to be very public about the fact that we're headed in this direction so everybody knows is coming and so there's no surprises.
But there's a much bigger argument here, which is how do we protect young people who are in trouble from making decisions that they will be penalized by.
And for sure, the parents have to be involved, but even the parents should be aware that children change their minds.
And so if a kid gets embraced and is made to feel that once they just provided a clue that they might be transgender when they're 13, they can't change their mind, and therefore they have to go through these whole series of processes.
That is bad advice.
And that was we are concerned being given as advice to young people and their parents.
And we're arguing based on the science, and which is, again, we're leading with the science here.
So I know there's uncomfortable realities, but the Maha movement that you started talking about, the opening of your monologue, is all about curiosity.
Are you truly curious about what is going down?
If you're honestly curious about what's happening with transgender kids and why the incidence has exploded so much over the last few years, and this is not a, you know, again, if it's purely genetic, it would have been present 25, 30 years ago.
It's not.
The incidence has dramatically increased far beyond what genes would have explained.
Then you have to also be aware that kids can be made to think certain things, and if they're embraced in that thinking and not allowed to naturally change their mind, you might be making a terrible mistake.
This is all, for me, additional reasons why we might want to slow this process down and not let kids jump into a big mistake.
Well, I think this is more than important.
Let's talk about the taxpayer funding of such, and where do we stand with that?
Well, we put a rule out through the exchanges.
As you know, these are the Obamacare exchanges because under the Biden administration, there was a desire to fund these procedures in every level.
So the exchanges, we put the rule out already, gotten public comment back.
We understand what people's concerns are.
We're addressing them, but we don't think that the taxpayer should be subsidizing insurance contracts that pay for these procedures.
Medicaid, another good example.
Medicaid is designed to take care of health issues that are afflicting our most vulnerable.
And so we want these kids to get care, but not care that's experimental, that's mutilating, and is not demonstrated to be of impact.
And we have the same belief for CHIP.
And this is all part of a larger, and I believe very brave move by the president, who has an executive order in this area, and he wants to deliver on his campaign promises.
He told the American people that he thought these were mutilating operations.
He was right.
And he promised them he would address it if he was elected.
He was elected.
So we want him to fulfill his promise.
He wants to fulfill the promise.
And so that's why we're following up on all the things that appropriately are being asked by your listeners.
I've had extensive conversations with Caitlin Shenner.
And right after she did that big interview with Diane Sawyer, we had a long, long conversation.
And I knew Caitlin when Caitlin was Bruce, the Cathalon winner, and we remain friends to this day.
And it's interesting the position that she takes.
At one point, I said in the conversation, I said, I'd be less than honest if I didn't tell you I don't understand this.
And her answer was actually pretty profound.
She said, I wouldn't expect you to understand it because you're not living it.
I said, fair enough.
With that said, she went into a long narrative explaining why it is important to her to go pub why it was important for her to go public and why, for example, she's against men playing in women's sports and why she supports Title IX and why this is not a decision for a young person.
And this is only a decision for an adult because it's permanent.
It's life-altering.
And it's interesting that she has come under criticism for stating what I believe are just simple, commonsensical questions.
What adults eventually choose to do with their lives, I don't think the government should really have any say over, but I don't think it should be funded by taxpayers either, especially an elective surgery or I would argue an elective surgery.
And she seems to agree with me on all of that.
And I think that it's unfair that she has been targeted just because she doesn't buy into the entire extreme argument of the left.
What's your reaction?
She's a brave woman.
She's saying what many others have told me as well.
They don't want to have a target on their back.
They don't agree with what's being said about the transgender situation.
And they feel that by misconstruing what's really desired and I think scientifically valid, you're actually hurting the process.
In fact, many of my friends who are gay males argue that it's specifically targeting young gay men because these boys will change their mind.
They have a belief.
It's confusing as they try to sort of figure out what's going on in their life.
For some of the time that they're confused, they may believe they're transgender.
They often will settle into being a gay male.
But because they're being pushed into these operations and seemingly embraced, but it's actually almost being held and pushed into the process, then they now are taking their life in a very different direction.
I think, Sean, this is just an example of where the president is making very brave moves that are sometimes confusing for the average American who's not paying attention to.
But over time, they begin to realize, wait a second, that's not right.
What Caitlin are saying is if you just sit back for a second and just listen to her as someone who went through it, you understand there's deep wisdom there.
We can say the same for the most favorite nation drug pricing, brave executive order that was signed by the president where, and I'm proud, by the way, that he was willing to do something that he knew had political risk associated with it.
There's a lot of money pouring in from the pharmaceutical industry to protect their sector.
But the president was very clear in saying that he's proud of the innovation that has taken place in the pharmaceutical industry.
But if you're an average listener right now, two-thirds of bankruptcies in America are caused by health problems.
And about a third of Americans who are given a medication to treat a problem don't take their meds because they can't afford it.
I mean, the idea that you have a choice between being sick and having money in the bank is a terrible reality for a lot of Americans.
And here's the irony, Sean, and you'll get this.
A lot of the CEOs of these pharma companies are patriotic Americans.
They get it.
They're sort of saying now under their breath, well, I mean, someone finally made us make a decision here.
You know, we were going to do this until someone finally held up the reality that we're charging a lot more for these drugs in America, two to three, sometimes four times more than these drugs cost in other countries.
And the president has said enough.
It's not going to happen.
You're making 70% of your profit off the American people.
We're 4% of the world population.
Go make money elsewhere.
And the equalization argument, which is a compelling one, is what he used for NATO, right?
He went to NATO countries.
He said, guys, we're paying all of the bill to protect you.
That's not right.
You should pay some of the bill.
We'll pay some of the bill.
We'll carry our fare load.
And it worked.
And we're going to do the same thing with the most favored nation pricing on drug prices.
The average American is not going to have to decide whether to be healthy or whether to be bankrupt.
That's a false choice that this president is going to address.
And because we also produce 80% of the development of new medicines, and it costs billions to find them.
And pharmaceutical companies do create good medicines that help prolong life and save life.
And I know they get a bad rap on other issues, some warranted, some not.
Dr. Oz, we really appreciate the great work you're doing.
This is very important.
We've got to protect our kids.
And you can't have life-altering decisions made at young ages without parental consent, without, and I don't think taxpayers should be forced to pay for it either.
We appreciate your time, sir.
God bless you, my friend.
Take care.
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Linda, is it just me?
I mean, we talk a lot about election year conversions where politicians that for decades have had expressed deeply held beliefs, and then it becomes an election year, and they begin to sound like somebody that they are not.
And all their positions begin to change.
And fake Jake Tapper is the latest example.
He was not covering Joe Biden's cognitive decline, and now he's written a book about it with some other guy and acting as though this is the greatest media cover, maybe worse than Watergate.
It is worse than Watergate.
It is the greatest White House presidential scandal in history.
This was a coordinated effort, and the book goes into details about it based on the excerpts I've read.
I will not buy that book or pay for that book.
And it's funny.
Oh, Fox News won't put us on the air.
I'm like, I guess because we're a competitive network, you're not a competitive network.
He gets like 300, 400,000 viewers a night.
The guy is not doing well.
And just like all these late-night comedy shows that aren't funny, but are just political, you know, they're all officially on cancellation watch.
Everybody on CNN, fake news, is on cancellation watch.
I don't know if this is, you know, the equivalent of an election year conversion.
Now, fake Jake, who did not chronicle the way we did or anybody else, Joe Biden's cognitive decline, is now making money off it through this book that he's trying to sell.
And he's been out hawking here, there, and everywhere.
Now, all of a sudden, he's criticizing Letitia James and Alvin Bragg for lawfare against Trump and the media letting it slide.
There was nothing but breathless hysteria on fake news CNN.
Look in the mirror, Jake, fake Jake.
Take a good long look in the mirror.
Go back and watch your own show.
Listen.
I look at the way I covered the president, some of the trials of the president, I thought were, you know, I think it is problematic when people run for prosecutor and promise to go after a specific politician.
And both Letitia James, the Attorney General of New York, and Alvin Bragg, the District Attorney of New York, both of them did that.
And that, to me, is problematic because you're not saying this is the offense and we need to bring justice to this perpetrator.
You're saying, I'm going to go after him.
And I think that there was a degree to which that was tolerated by the media writ large.
I mean, I did note it at the time, but like, and when Trump does the same thing, and he's the president, so it's also a different degree.
People perceive it as more problematic.
Excuse me, they ran on a get Trump platform.
You can't, I mean, you talk about tolerated.
I remember fake Jake, you know, breathlessly reporting every detail of the phony Russia collusion story.
Go back and watch the tapes, fake Jake.
You know, did you ever point out to your audience that the Mar-a-Lago valuation was fake and phony and fraudulent?
Did you ever bring on a Palm Beach real estate expert to counter Judge Erdogan's phony valuation that he stuck to?
Did you ever go after on the air and saying Letitia James should recuse herself with anything involving Donald Trump having run and used the words he's going to get Trump?
Did you ever go after Alvin Bragg's trumped up charges, pun intended, using a novel legal theory to get around a simple NDA who's, by the way, which is a misdemeanor whose statute of limitations had long since expired?
Did you ever talk about the double standard when it came to top secret classified information and the way they treated Trump versus Hillary versus Biden?
Did you ever talk about any of this?
No, you did not.
You ever talk about FISA abuse?
You ever talk about how the dirty Russian misinformation dossier?
No, fake news CNN went with the details of it all.
I remember seeing it at the time.
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All right, let's get to David in Texas.
God bless Texas.
David, how are you?
Glad you called.
David, are you there?
Hello, David.
David once, David twice, David three times.
Sold to Norman in Long Island, New York.
What's up, Norman?
How are you, sir?
Glad you called.
Hi, how are you, Sean?
I'm good.
I have two things that I wanted to discuss with you.
First thing, AOC, in the waning days of Biden's campaign, she went on the campaign trail with him.
How come she's never questioned on Biden's cognitive decline?
She seems to always get a free ride.
She challenges us or the Republicans all the time, but how come nobody challenges her?
Every single Democrat has to answer the question, what did you know?
When did you know it?
And those that say they didn't see it are lying.
And everybody needs to know they were lying.
Just like they lied about the borders being secure and the borders being closed and inflation being transitory and Joe Biden.
It's hard to keep up with him.
He's so fit.
He's so aware.
I have a hard time.
Jen Saki, she must be in horrible shape.
Had a hard time keeping up with Joe.
They're all full of it.
They're lying to you.
In the waning days when everybody saw it, she said he's doing great.
And nobody challenges.
What they show is her fake rallies that she has.
And a lot of people get the impression that she's really winning over a lot of people.
And, you know, you got to be careful what you wish for sometimes by showing.
Well said.
You're right on the money.
You're all over it.
You're right on the money.
I've been teaching science for a long time.
When we say COVID vaccine, it's not a real vaccine in the sense of a vaccine.
A vaccine is a weakened or a deadened form of the virus.
COVID, what we call the COVID vaccine, is really chemicals.
It's an mRNA that's not made from the real DNA of the COVID virus, but something that mimics the virus.
And because of that, you know, when you get a real vaccine, you're getting the real virus, which causes the real antibodies in your body to respond.
This has a bunch of chemicals on it, which can target all different sites in the body.
And I really believe that all those other chemicals aren't specific just for COVID, but they are waking up genes that are dormant or that are latent that are beginning to show up with like these heart problems that kids are having.
And we don't really know what those other chemicals do.
So maybe it does work on COVID, but it's also causing other problems.
Big time.
Listen, and we have Robert Malone who created the mRNA technology, and he was on this program telling people it wasn't perfected.
He said it's not perfected.
However, he said for emergency authorization for older people with comorbidities, preexisting conditions, he would approve the use in that case because they had no other defense.
Although we had Dr. Tyson on yesterday, there was a defense.
And there's, you know, 200 studies, he says now, that show that what we were, you know, that Donald Trump was right, that taken early, hydroxychloroquine, for example, mitigated symptoms, you know, and I never talked about it myself.
When I first got COVID, I used hydroxychloroquine.
Never told it before now because everyone was demanding I tell my status.
And I had the alpha strain.
And guess what?
I didn't miss a single day of work.
Not one.
I worked in a room by myself.
That's how I did my shows.
Anyway, I appreciate you being with us.
Linda, you remember that time, don't you?
Oh, my God.
Yeah, it's insane.
Oh, and then, and then sweet baby James.
I'd say just put papers under the door and I'll get them later.
Stay out of the room.
And he would, next thing I'd turn around and he'd be in the room.
I'm like, get the hell out of here.
He'd scream at him.
You know how many times he's taking it?
Where is my baby?
He's getting bashed for the flag, bashed for the papers.
That guy, I tell you, man, that's a tough job.
I mean, you were yelling at me to take off.
You were telling, just take off.
You know, I can hear you.
No, I'm done yelling at you.
I've surrendered.
You promised?
Never again?
Yeah.
Never again.
You will never yell at me or be mad at me again.
I didn't say mad.
I just said yell.
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Is David in Texas?
Is he there or not there?
We tried David before.
David, God bless Texas.
Are you there?
Yes, sir.
Nice to talk to you.
What'd you go for a walk?
Did you buy a sandwich?
You get lunch.
What'd you do?
No, I don't know what happened.
It was just blank.
I never heard anything.
What's going on?
Well, I just wanted to talk a little bit about the way the judiciary system, and now they're talking about the governors of all the Democratic states are going to start trying to plan some kind of conspire against doing something.
And I'm just wondering why the FBI and DOJ can't go with the 18 U.S.C. 2384, which is it says sedition and subversion activities generally involve acts that undermine the government, but do not necessarily involve violence.
Why couldn't we go on the offense just like they're using lawfare and have basically our administration going after them to stop this conspiracy behind the scenes?
Well, I'm just telling you right now, none of this is going to stand.
I mean, we're not going to win every decision, but this judge blocking Trump from suspending this Biden-era migrant parole program is insane because it goes against the rule of law.
That will not stand.
The federal court that rejected Trump's unbounded authority to impose worldwide tariffs.
I'm sorry, but that is Article 2.
That is the that that would be the president's constitutional authority and role.
And the U.S. Court of International Trade out of New York City ruled Wednesday that the president overstepped his authority over tariffs under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act.
What does that mean?
Excuse me.
That's not going to hold.
But, you know, this is what he's now facing.
It's called Lawfair.
It has a name.
They go judge shopping, and they go to liberal jurisdictions, liberal jurists, activists.
But so far, every time they think they win, then it goes to a higher court and they lose for the most part.
Yeah, hopefully.
But they're just trying to slow down the agenda and what they cannot get done electorally at the ballot box or legislatively.
They use activist judges to do things, and that's what they're doing.
Hopefully we could judge shop and do everything they do to basically counter that.
Maybe they'll stop doing it.
Well, the best thing we can do is appoint more conservative justices if we can find enough of them.
We need them.
And we get disappointed far too many times.
Frankly, I'm kind of done with the Federalists.
They get it wrong too often.
We need to find conservative jurists, period.
Anyway, my friend, appreciate the call.
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Terry, North Carolina, Sean Hannity Show.
Hi.
Hey, Sean.
How are you doing today?
I'm good, sir.
What's going on?
I got a quick question for you about the Big Beautiful bill.
You know, when they handed out the stimulus checks, at the end of the year, we were taxed on.
When the overtime has not been taxed during the year and the tips and stuff, at the end of the year, is it going to be taxed on our federal income tax like the stimulus checks were?
No, you won't get taxed on tips.
People that work in the service industry, for example, often they get paid below minimum wage.
A lot of people don't know that.
I know from my years working in the service industry.
And when you get tipped, most people pay by credit card, and so there's a record of it.
And so you report all that as income, and then you get taxed on it.
Now moving forward in the future, you give great service and people want to give you a tip.
You're not going to have to pay taxes on it.
That is huge for people in the service industry.
I mean, I used to bring cash to tip people all the time.
I'm still a big believer in cash.
I'm probably one of the few people.
Tell my kids all the time, you have any cash on it?
No, they never have any.
It drives me nuts.
I'm like, here, take it, take every, and I think it's their way of like extorting dad for more cash.
I understand that part too.
I worked a lot of overtime and I was just wondering like at the end of the year.
Yeah, you're not going to get taxed on your overtime, man.
You keep working it and then save that money.
Remember, money is freedom.
Bunny, money gives you, if you can save some, it is freedom to make choices in your life.
It won't make you happy.
And I was poor and now I have money.
I think I could argue I was happier when I was poor.
I can make that argument.
Linda's like rolling her eyes, but it gives you freedom.
And then you, well, do I want to move to this state?
Do I want to, should I fix my car or get a new car?
I mean, it gives you a lot of freedom.
Saving money is important.
Living under your means is important.
Anyway, 800-941-Shawn is our numbers.
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