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Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, when President Trump was elected, well, first of all, before the election, I would say pretty much every day that I want to deputize each and every one of you.
And we created on Hannity.com and social media what we call the Kamala files and the Walls files.
And this was news and information that you would never get from the corrupt, state-run legacy media mob, which I would argue died on November 5th because they threw everything they possibly could at Donald Trump.
And the American people ignored them.
Now, the president is doing as much as he possibly can do on his own.
And we were talking earlier in the program with Jim Jordan about this.
I mean, the president has done a phenomenal job securing the border.
It's down 99.9%, illegal crossings.
The president is now deporting criminal, illegal immigrants.
I mean, nearly, what, 14, 15 million?
We don't even know what the actual number is, but we know we have known terrorists and cartel members and gang members and murderers and rapists and drug dealers that they have allowed into this country.
And we'll have to find each and every one of them and deport them.
We know the president also is working on the economy, working towards energy dominance.
We know that the president has now, what, over $10 trillion in committed monies from countries and companies to invest in this country in very key manufacturing areas like pharmaceuticals and silicon chips and automobiles, etc.
This is all big and huge.
And he's simultaneously trying to get peace in Europe and peace in the Middle East.
With all that said, he can't do it all on his own.
With all that said, I said to you back then, there will be times I come to you, my great audience.
We're now on, what, 765 stations, whatever the number is, and on SiriusXM, and we podcast it, and that I might need to deputize you all once again.
This may be one of those weeks.
And the president needs this one big, beautiful bill.
And It did get over the hurdle in the House and get out of committee, but we need this bill passed in the House.
It needs to be in sync with the U.S. Senate, especially with their arcane rules as it relates to reconciliation, which means you don't need a closure vote of 60 votes.
You can pass with a simple majority.
Lindsey Graham made sure that that process moved forward pretty smoothly.
And there might be a few holdouts that could stop the whole thing.
Now, in the end, I don't think that's going to be the case.
However, there's nothing like a little bit of pressure to motivate politicians.
Now, if there are specific people whose names come to our attention that are holding out, we will tell you who they are, and we will give you their phone numbers in Congress, and we will ask you to be polite, but let them know that you voted for the president's agenda, not for their own individual agenda.
Everyone's not going to get everything they want.
It's just not the way that this process is going to work.
But to make the tax cuts permanent, to do no tax on tips or Social Security or overtime, to have money to secure the border and deport criminal illegals, to move forward with the next generation of weaponry for our Defense Department and to move towards energy dominance, that is a huge down payment on the Trump agenda.
Anyway, James Blair is with us, White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Legislative, Political and Public Affairs.
Mr. Blair, sir, it's an honor, pleasure, and privilege to have you.
How are you?
Thanks for having me, Sean.
It's great to be on.
I'm great.
Just got back from the Capitol a little bit ago and saw the president, and we're getting to work on the bill, as you said.
Well, I had a lot of time to spend with you on Air Force One, and I think I'm going to be correct in my prediction about your future.
Do you have any thoughts on that part?
All I'm worried about is the president's future, which is passing this great bill, getting the country back on track, and winning the midterms, I think is possible for Republicans if they pass the right policies.
And as you said, so much of what the president ran on is tied up in this first reconciliation bill, and they have a chance to do something great for the country.
You know, Democrats did a lot of damage to our country via reconciliation under Joe Biden, and we can do a lot of good and correct a lot of that through reconciliation this time around.
I think you're 100% correct in tying this.
If elections are driven by peace and prosperity, the president's working very hard for peace in Europe and peace in the Middle East.
If we can get this bill passed fast enough, a lot of the damage that was done to the economy and all the other parts that I mentioned, the trillions committed in investment, the energy dominance, permanent tax cuts will result in more revenues to the government.
I believe this will exponentially increase the odds of Republican success in 2026.
I don't want to think of them losing the House because we know what the result of that will be.
Their agenda will stop, and they'll try to impeach the president 400 times.
100%, Sean.
You know, you got to have, first of all, I mean, voters vote for an agenda, they vote for a person, but the president laid out a very clear vision of what he was running for.
And all he's been focused on through his first 100 days and into now and into the summer of the reconciliation bill is making good on his promises, which is what the American people voted on.
And, you know, what's in this bill, I mean, first of all, we're renewing the 2017 Tax Cut and Jobs Act that Trump passed, which was the largest tax cut in history.
We're extending those tax cuts and making them even bigger.
The Council of Economic Advisors put out a report just this Monday, Sean, that said people are going to take an average of $9,000 a year extra home and take home pay after this passes from tax cuts and increased wages.
We've got to give people relief.
We know that the terrible policies of the Biden era brought us four decade-high inflation, which has been under control since President Trump came to office.
In fact, the inflation reports keep coming in lower and lower than predicted each month.
We've added almost 500,000 new jobs since the president came back into office, including tons of manufacturing jobs.
So the president's policies are working.
What we'd want to see is working, which is the re-onshoring of American manufacturing, giving people the opportunity to have a good job that pays them a fair wage, that lets them go on vacation in the summer and afford a home for their family.
That's the American dream, and that's what we're trying to restore.
So there's a lot of good in this.
It's time for everybody to get on board.
Everybody's going to have to give a little.
That's the nature of a close majority.
But you know what?
If Republicans vote for this bill, Sean, they will come back with a bigger majority next cycle, I'm sure of it.
I'm actually, I agree with you.
And that's not something that's happened very often historically, has it?
No, it's not.
Just twice in the last hundred years about has a Republican added to both chambers in the midterms.
A few more times have they added to one chamber or the other, but only twice in the last hundred have they added to both.
And one of those, Sean, was in 2002.
George W. Bush did, which was obviously after 9-11.
The country was feeling very unified and patriotic.
I'm in a very difficult time for our country.
But the other was 1934 after the New Deal was passed.
And I tell everyone that's the model to look to.
The New Deal was giving people what they voted for, what they needed in a time of crises and economic crises, which is what we were in before President Trump came back into office.
And they were rewarded with a political coalition that's lasted almost 100 years up until 2024, essentially.
And now the shoe is on the other foot.
Republicans have a chance to solidify those voters that aren't even really Republicans.
They're Trump voters who are working men and women of this country that just want the system to exist that they were raised in, which is if you follow the rules, you follow the law, you work hard, you get a job, you do what you're supposed to do, then you'll have a chance to get ahead in this country.
And that's all we're trying to restore.
That's the American dream, Sean.
That $10 trillion, and I'm not talking about billions, $10 trillion in committed investment in manufacturing, and that's pharmaceuticals and semiconductor chips and automobiles and other industries as well.
AI, for example, you cannot understate how important that's going to be for the people that really do make the country great.
Hardworking men and women, the people that get up every day, play by the rules, obey the laws, pay their taxes, raise their kids, go to church.
I mean, they're the people that make the country great.
Here's my million-dollar question.
Are you running into opposition?
Are there people whose phone numbers I'm going to have to give out on this show?
I sure hope not, Sean.
We may run into that soon.
Look, this is in the House side.
It's coming down to the winding hours here of people getting on the team.
And you know that I'm going to call you up immediately if we're getting too close to the wire and people say I'm still a no.
We have faith right now that everyone will get on the team.
We believe that every Republican was sent here and we know everybody has a little bit of an issue that they're most focused on.
And obviously there's always negotiating up until the end.
But, you know, other than Thomas Massey, who's a no on everything and votes with Democrats 100% of the time in this Congress, then I think everyone else hopefully will get on board and we'll know within, I think, hours, not days, because we're going to vote this week out of the House.
When do you think that vote takes place?
Right now, I would say sometime late, well, early Thursday morning, kind of the overnight window Wednesday into Thursday morning.
And as soon as that happens, it'll go to the Senate.
I assume there'll probably be some changes in the Senate.
Then they'll go into committee and they'll come up with a final bill.
It will pass through the Senate parliamentarians' rules as it relates to reconciliation.
And then hopefully it ends up on the president's desk.
That's it.
That's exactly right, Sean.
It'll go to the Senate.
The Senate will probably spend a few weeks working on it.
They will probably adjust some things.
But the goal is to get it to the president's desk by July 4th.
That's what our Treasury Secretary laid out is really important for our economy to make sure we've dealt with the debt extension, to make sure we get our tax cuts in place.
And we're really just able to let businesses and consumers plan for the rest of their year and going into next year.
And I think if we do that, the economy is going to absolutely boom.
Look, it's already booming.
I mean, you know, if we just rewind to six weeks ago, people said the president didn't know what he was doing.
Well, stock market's up higher than when he came into office now, right?
So as long as we get this done, Sean, people are going to get what they voted for, which is a booming economy, prices coming down, more job opportunities, more take-home pay.
And so we just don't have a choice.
We got to get it done.
It's what the people wanted.
It's what they voted for, and we're going to give it to them.
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All right, we continue now with James Blair.
Is the White House Deputy Chief of Staff for legislative, political, and public affairs?
You know, it's pretty amazing.
We've seen in our lifetime the Republican Party, especially under President Trump now, become the party of hardworking men and women.
And I think that's why you're seeing these dramatic demographic shifts towards the Republican Party.
And the Democratic Party has evolved into what I call the party of coastal elites and the party of woke and the party of the Green New Deal and the party that just hates and rages against all things Donald Trump.
I don't think that's much of an agenda that's inspiring to get people to go out and vote for you.
That's my own personal opinion.
I totally agree.
I mean, listen to what Democrats are arguing for right now.
They are going to vote against the largest middle and working class tax cut in American history if they vote against this bill.
Okay.
They're going to vote against cutting taxes on tips, cutting taxes on Social Security, cutting tax on overtime pay.
They're going to vote against all of those tax cuts.
They want the right.
They all, almost every single one, Sean, voted against stopping men from playing in women's sports.
Think about that.
One of the most important things to the modern Democrat Party is for men to have the right to play in women's sports.
And I'll tell you, I got two daughters, Sean.
It's totally unacceptable.
It's unfair.
And it's just insane.
We're trying to bring common sense back.
And the Democratic Party is lost in the wilderness of special interest groups and far-left ideology that is way out of step with mainstream America.
It's way out of step with common sense.
And I think there's a reason that, you know, if you look at their approval rating, Sean, the approval rating of the Democrats in Congress right now is like 28%.
Okay.
It's actually lower than Joe Biden at lowest point.
And that's saying something.
And there's a reason for that.
People do not like what the Democrats are selling, Sean.
Listen, they're championing the right of men to play women's sports.
They're putting the rights of illegal immigrants over the safety of Americans.
They think it's a constitutional crisis when you find hundreds of billions of waste, fraud, and abuse.
And they won't stand for mothers that lost their children at a speech before a joint session of Congress.
They won't stand for a young man that lost cancer, that beat cancer, rather.
They won't stand for a woman that lost her hero husband in law enforcement or a young man that just got commissioned who had lost his father to West Point.
That's that party today.
That defines them.
James Blair, please stay in touch with us if there's anything we can do.
This is too important to the country and for working men and women in this country that matter the most to me.
And obviously, the president's right in his agenda, in my view.
James Blair, White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Legislative, Political, and Public Affairs.
He has one of the toughest jobs.
He's got to deal with Congress.
Good luck with that.
I don't think I'd want your job, to be very honest.
But we appreciate your time.
Thank you, sir.
Thanks, Sean.
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I actually love the exchange.
You know, what's his name?
Van Holland.
This is Mark Orrubio and Chris Van Hollen, Mr. Abrego Garcia.
Let's go to El Salvador champion.
Anyway, here's Marco just knocking him about this trip.
We deported gang members, including the one you had a margarita.
This is great.
In the case of El Salvador, absolutely.
Absolutely.
We deported gang members, gang members, including the one you had a margarita with.
And that guy is a human trafficker, and that guy is a gangbanger.
And the evidence is going to be clear in the days of the chairman.
Please, Secretary Rubio has the floor.
Mr. Chairman, he can't make unsubstantiated.
Secretary Rubio has the floor.
Rubio should take that testimony of the federal United States because Paul hasn't done it under oath.
Wow.
Then it got even more heated when Van Holland says he regrets voting for him.
And this is what Rubio's response was.
And I have to tell you directly and personally that I regret voting for you for Secretary of State.
I yield back.
May I respond?
You may sit.
Well, first of all, your regret for voting for me confirms I'm doing a good job.
Based on what I know.
That's just a client's statement, Mr. Secretary.
That is an accurate statement.
All right, let's get to our busy phones.
Let us say hi to Joe and Ella J, our friend Joe and Ella J. Joe's been with this show since my early days in 1992 in Atlanta.
How are you, my friend?
Sean, you're great.
This Trump bill is going to go through, and it's going to be the greatest bill in history for taxpayers, for small business, for the country.
It's just great.
And so the big, beautiful bill will be passed, and it'll give us the best economy and best stock market in the history.
And I want to thank you for all you're doing.
I don't think it would pass without your great show and all you've done.
And you're definitely the best friend of the American taxpayers in history, the great one and only.
Well, you're very kind and effusive in your praise that I'm not worthy of.
However, I just care what's right for the country.
You know what I want?
I want a great economy, and this has nothing to do with me.
Anyway, 800-941-Sean, Mickey, Texas, God bless Texas.
Mickey, how are you?
Hello, Sean.
First-time caller and a very long-time listener and fan.
Thank you, ma'am.
What's going on?
How are you today?
I'm doing well.
I just wanted to call and tell you that we, the American people, we voted for Donald Trump in November, and we voted for his agenda.
And I call on all of my fellow Americans to rise up, take a stand, and fight for this big, beautiful bill.
I look very forward, Sean, to your post on who the holdouts are and how to contact them.
I will be on the phone calling these congressmen.
I saw one, I can't remember his name, from New York, just this morning stating that he's a no right now after talking with Trump because he's not getting what he wants on the SALT tax cuts.
And I've got a message for him that, you know, if you get anything, and I know that they're giving concessions, they're trying to give concessions to everyone.
Anything is better than nothing.
Let me tell you, they're not going to get everything they want.
SALT will increase.
Right now, the number, as written in the bill, my understanding is confirmed by Jim Jordan earlier in the program today is 30,000, up from 10,000.
What frustrates me about SALT, and I said it at the time, and I lived in New York at the time.
I'm now, you know, a full-time resident of Florida.
I think I've been pretty outspoken about that.
And I rarely ever make it to New York unless, you know, I have to.
Very rare because it's amazing.
You leave the state and they come after you with a vengeance.
And if people think it's 181 days plus or whatever the number is 83 days, you're dreaming.
So I don't want to go there.
I want nothing to do with the state.
I'm finished with it.
And I know too many people have been harassed to their grave by New York tax people, but I digress a second.
And I can only tell you in the first term of Donald Trump, when the salt deduction was reduced to $10,000, I ended up paying more taxes.
But New York is a state that should not be rewarded for electing high-tax and spend liberals to their legislatures, their Senate, and their governors and their mayors.
And that's what they do.
And this deduction basically allows people, it gives an added benefit for all the wrong behavior in terms of voting behavior of people.
Now, it doesn't benefit low-tax states where the citizens of those states elect people that are fiscally responsible and don't tax and spend their citizenry into oblivion.
But with that said, I understand that this is a compromise bill, and I'm going to use my own words on myself.
I'm not going to get everything I want here.
I think it's unfair to states that are fiscally responsible, but I understand to get enough votes to get this passed.
This is just the way the sausage is made.
I got it.
I understand.
Mickey, you're a great first-time caller.
God bless you.
God bless Texas.
Jimmy, Oklahoma, next Sean Hannity show.
Hi.
Hey, Sean.
What's going on?
Oh, man.
Just a first-time caller.
And thank you for taking my call.
Been listening to you for a long, long time and watching Hannity, Hannity and Combs.
I watched that.
Yeah, I look better.
You know, I met some people this week and I was out to eat.
And they said, you look so much better in person.
You look skinnier in person.
You look taller in person.
I'm like, so let me get this right.
I'm old, short, and heavy on TV.
Is that what you're saying?
Everyone's kind of laughs when I say that.
Hey, I hope this bill goes through.
I really do.
And I'm looking forward to you putting out the congressmen who are voting against it, and I'll be calling them.
Well, I will do that, and I'm hoping I don't have to do it if you want to know the truth.
I hope so.
I really am.
What I was actually talking about was welfare reform.
And just an idea.
I mean, maybe you can talk to someone who can make something happen.
And I really believe that if in the last 50 years or the next 50 years, this is the administration that can get something done.
And that's the reason I'm thinking of this.
But, you know, all of these manufacturers and these companies that are coming back to America, it looks like these able-bodied people that's on welfare who could go to work if maybe these companies would offer a training program and maybe President Trump can maybe offer some tax incentives for them to do that to get these people back to work and teach them that working is better than getting something for nothing.
Listen, I'm going to tell you right now, and by the way, there will be incentives and people are going to, able-bodied people will have to work.
And that's part of the bill, too.
That's another good provision that's actually in there.
But you cannot overstate the importance of what you're saying here.
$10 trillion is a lot of money.
And Donald Trump took a lot of heat for bringing up the issue of free and fair trade versus reciprocal, and it's their choice.
And I can tell you, $10 trillion, we're going to bring pharmaceutical manufacturing home.
We're going to start making our own semiconductor chips, which are vital and critical.
We're going to start our own process of rare earth mineral development.
We're going to be energy dominant.
We're going to have tax cuts that will save American families a fortune.
They'll be permanent.
Service workers, no tax on tips, people that put in the extra effort and work overtime.
They're not going to, no tax on overtime.
I mean, it's such a blessing for working men and women.
And the Democratic Party wants to vote against that?
Okay, good luck with that.
It's crazy.
And something else, who would have ever let our adversaries make our medicine?
That was dumb.
Beyond dumb.
We're doing a lot of things now that we're fixing all of it.
And that includes rare earths.
That includes pharmaceuticals.
That includes auto manufacturing.
That includes the semiconductor.
I'm telling you, we need to be independent.
Anyway, my friend, thank you, Jimmy.
John in Georgia.
John, how are you?
Glad you called.
I'm good, Sean.
I'm John the Jarhead.
I love my country.
Semper Phi, man.
How are you?
Semper Phi.
I'm calling about prostate cancer, which is pretty important to a lot of men.
I think it's the number two killer of men.
I'm 61 years old.
I was diagnosed when I was 55, and I had a PSA that was like 2.7.
By the way, that's the relatively low number.
I have friends that don't have prostate cancer that have a higher number, PSA number than you.
Yes, it was, and I honestly believe I got it from the Marine Corps, but the Marine Corps seems to disagree with me.
But anyway, we didn't have any testing here, so I had to go to England.
I had a doctor do a scan.
How many years?
It was seven years ago?
Well, yeah, it was actually in, yeah, I'm 61, so it was six years ago.
We did not have a PSMA PET scan here, so I had to go to England for it.
And he survived.
Well, if your PSA, if they thought it was high, why didn't they just give you a biopsy?
I know, because I one year my PSA doubled, and it alarmed my doctor, who's also one of my best friends, and he made me get a biopsy, which is like the worst thing in the world.
And I won't even explain what happens after.
But putting that aside, and he was like, one day he goes, just come in.
I just want to test it again.
And he was full of crap.
He lied to me.
And he had two doctors there to do a biopsy in his office.
I was like, oh, no, 13 long needles.
Let's put it that way.
Well, I had a different test.
I had an inboard targeted biopsy at a T3 MRI, and my PSA was only 2.7.
Well, I had a T3 MRI done because I had other symptoms of a possible prostate problem.
And the doctor that I saw, he goes, your gleason scores are nines.
He goes, I'm taking two guys to London to the Paul Strickland Cancer Center.
You want to go?
And I'm like, let's go.
So three days later, I went to the Paul Strickland Cancer Center, and it lit me up like a Christmas tree.
And I asked the guy, I said, look, how long do I have?
And he goes, one year.
He goes, if you fight it, three years.
So plan your day.
Had it metastasized?
I don't have a lot of time.
Did it metastasize?
It was in my bones.
It was in my vertebraes.
It was in T3, T4, T5, L4, L5, a bunch of ribs, right femur, sternum.
Well, let me ask you, because we're running out of time.
How were you able to survive seven years if that was their prognosis?
I went to Germany for treatment.
We didn't have any medication here for me.
And the Germans have had it for about 15 years.
So how many men did we let die in America?
I went to Germany and I got a drug called lutitium.
Now we have it here and it's called plovecto.
Now, most of these, you know, when it goes to your bones, most of this is treated with targeted radiation.
And I know they said Joe Biden has gone to Delaware and, you know, all these vacations, but they don't have a proton beam radiation machine there.
I mean, they have some in Miami.
The thing is, he's a former president of the United States.
He can get any treatment he wants.
I promise you.
Absolutely.
But what I don't understand, it is I've lost the ability to hunt, fish.
The pain is one of the most painful cancers there are.
And why would any loved one, why would a wife, why would a son, why would anyone not want?
I mean, Sean, if your family found out you had metastatic disease, they would want to treat you immediately because they love you.
You have no idea how much my family annoys the crap out of me about my health now, even though I work out like a maniac.
Well, first of all, I'm just out of time, so please do not take this wrong way.
But your information is vital.
I hope people paid very close attention to what you had to say.
And I'm glad you're alive, sir.
I really am.
Thank God you beat this thing.
And I'll take it a step further.
I hope Joe Biden can beat it too.
800-941-Sean.
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Join us every Tuesday and Thursday, normally, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
I'm Ben Ferguson.
And I'm Ted Cruz.
Three times a week, we do our podcast, Verdict with Ted Cruz.
Nationwide, we have millions of listeners.
Every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, we break down the news and bring you behind the scenes inside the White House, inside the Senate, inside the United States Supreme Court.
And we cover the stories that you're not getting anywhere else.
We arm you with the facts to be able to know and advocate for the truth with your friends and family.
So down with Verdict with Ted Cruz now, wherever you get your podcasts.
When I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi, nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
From Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries, this is Fiasco, Benghazi.
What difference at this point does it make?
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