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China Makes A Deal - May 12th, Hour 2
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Welcome back to the Sean Hannity Show.
My name is Rose.
Sean is traveling with the president on his Middle East tour.
You can hear all about it as he weighs in every night on his TV show live from the Middle East.
In the meantime, my name is Rose, as I said, and joining me today is the author of several books, some of which are planned red, China's going to war, and also the coming collapse of China and the Great U.S., China Tech War, and I have read some of these books.
I've always had to listen to what he's had to say about China.
He's an expert in my opinion.
His name is Gordon Chang.
He's a former United States trade representative.
He's joining us today to talk about what happened with the talks between the U.S. and China this weekend in Switzerland.
Please welcome to the show, Gordon Chang.
How are you?
I'm fine, Rose, and thank you so much.
Listen, if anyone wants to keep up with what's going on, particularly where China is concerned, you can check Gordon out at Gordon G. Chang on X. So, Mr. Chang, there's a lot going on right now.
Everybody's telling us that the talks in Switzerland over the weekend were substantial in terms of progress.
The Chinese vice premier said it was an important first step toward resolving differences.
Um, you know, China is America's third largest trading partner, but what we are looking at right now is hopefully setting a path for future discussions on open market access for American exports, because in my opinion, that's one of the most important things.
But there were a lot of things that they were hoping for in this meeting.
They were hoping that they could achieve to de-escalate tensions with China.
They wanted to create a level playing field, they wanted to rebuild their strategic industries that have been actually hollowed out in the past.
Free trade, not fair trade, or a whole bunch of things that they wanted to accomplish.
What, in fact, in your opinion, did they achieve and how realistic were those goals in the first place?
Oh, great questions.
Um, what happened was a temporary concession by the United States.
90-day pause on tariffs.
And at the end of that, we will see if China is as good as it's work.
You know, President Trump today said the Chinese agreed to open their economy to American products.
Um this is something that Americans have wanted for centuries, actually.
And it's something we thought we'd get with China's accession to the World Trade Organization in 2001.
But China's continued uh theft of U.S. intellectual property, and increasingly we see China's trade policies becoming more and more predatory.
So we're going to see if uh the Treasury Secretary can negotiate a larger trade deal.
So at the moment, um U.S. sheriffs have been dropped, and the Chinese have dropped tariffs as well, and it's sort of like a temporary truce.
Well, you know, and you touched on something too, because we've had a massive trade deficit where China's concerned, and and it concerns me too for our manufacturing sector because there's been a decline and and it all it did was really fuel the offshoring of American jobs.
So I my hope, and I I'm not sure.
Why do I feel a little like uh cautious going forward with this?
Because I'm not sure I trust them.
I mean, isn't it in their best interest as well?
And I'm talking about China, the Communist Party, isn't it in their best interest to follow through on some of these things that were discussed over the weekend?
Well, yes, it is.
Um the reason is the Chinese economy is fundamentally unbalanced.
Um accounts for something like 38, 39 percent of China's gross domestic product.
That is low by global standards, perhaps maybe even the lowest contribution.
Now, Xi Jinping is uh developing a wartime economy.
He wants to export his way out of problems, and matter of fact, that's his only solution, which means he needs the U.S. Now the problem is that Xi Jinping is building up a war machine which is configured to kill Americans.
And so um we might have an interest in not trading with him in order to make sure he doesn't have the resources to go build those ships and train uh tanks and everything else that he wants to use against us and our friends.
Yeah, and that concerns me very much because when we talk about uh, first of all, their economy, it isn't uh it's not doing well.
And in fact, uh how does the workers' protest play into it?
Because um it takes a lot of HUTSPA if you ask me to protest in China, right?
So how surprised uh was the CCP by that, and did the pro protest actually persuade the party one way or another, particularly where all of this is concerned.
I imagine that the worker protests across China and also the bank protests, because I think depositors are not being able to get their money out of some of the smaller financial institutions.
This must have had a factor in uh the decisions of the Communist Party to talk to Treasury Secretary Bessant and U.S. Trade Representative Greer.
Right now, these protests actually these protests have been occurring even before Trump took the uh oath of office for his second term.
But they've gotten worse because the tariffs have slammed China's export sector, which has been particularly hard hit.
For the last year and a half, maybe we've seen that a lot of these factories don't have orders, but these tariffs have pushed some of these factories to the point of closure.
And there are closures across China, and there are more and more worker protests, as you point out.
Yeah, I mean, when you think about it, I mean, yeah, we're talking about the Communist Chinese Party, but we're also talking about real people who are also being affected by it, not because of anything we've done, uh obviously, but because of the way their government is run, and that breaks my heart for them.
It it does.
Because the biggest victims of the Communist Party, um, matter of fact, the most immediate victims are of course the Chinese people.
But um, there are a lot of other victims of the Communist Party, including American workers, because through these predatory practices, through IP theft, China has robbed the future of many Americans.
You drive through the rust belt, you drive through the South.
There are a lot of towns that have been devastated by the loss of factories to China.
And that means when there's a loss of hope, you see fentanyl.
When you see fentanyl, there is death.
China is responsible for the fentanyl gangs.
And that's also a factor that President Trump has taken into account when he set the trade policy, because 20% of our 30% tariffs are were imposed this year because of fentanyl.
That's right.
And one of the things, and they have, but they didn't make anything there's nothing conclusive that came out of these talks where fentanyl is concerned.
Um they said that they're going to take that uh the U.S. and China will take aggressive actions to stem the flow of fentanyl and the um and other precursors from China to illicit drug producers in North America.
So what but uh but there's nothing substantial here just yet in terms of what actions they are going to take and what those aggressive accent actions might actually produce.
Yes, and let's remember this is Xi Jinping who promised in 2023 to President Biden to stop the flow of precursors across the Pacific.
This is the Xi Jinping in 2018 that made the same essentially the same promise to President Trump.
And it's the same Xi Jinping who made the same promise to President Obama in 2016.
So we've had a lot of promises from China about fentanyl.
We've only seen the fentanyl trade increase, and there's only been a stop where there's been a reduction in the flow of fentanyl.
Not because of what the Chinese have been doing, but because President Trump closed down the southern border and he went after Canada, where there was a lot of fentanyl coming in from as well.
Yeah, I'm not going to hold my breath on that one, but it'll be interesting to see.
I mean, we are talking about different leadership here, so that should help us and and these efforts for sure.
And and you and also I just want to comment too, you mentioned how we want to encourage our you know domestic production here and strengthen our supply chains.
And I suppose that when they talk about retaining that 10% tariff uh during the period of pause, that that will help us.
Um so instead of undercutting American uh workers, it would instead support them.
Yeah, well, it's a 30% general tariff rate, but also we have additional tariffs on top of that row.
So for instance, we're yeah, that's 34%.
Yeah, you're right.
Yes.
And we have the Section 232 tariffs, um, and those uncertain goods um raise that general 30% tariff rate to quite a high rate.
You know, there is something that you mentioned on X, and by the way, we're talking to Gordon Chang and you can find him on X, it's Gordon G. Chang on X. But I think I saw this on X. You said that while Bess Bassin and Kareer are making soothing statements about the results of the trade talks, China's officials are issuing strident and defiant words on Chinese language media.
That doesn't surprise me.
No, and it's just um this was yesterday, right after the um announcement that there was going to be an announcement today.
Um and we saw, you know, we saw our officials make conciliatory statements, but Chinese officials were making very defiant ones um to the Chinese.
And I um I haven't seen anything since uh President Trump's uh conference today, but I'm sure we're gonna see a whole group of a whole slew of new pronouncements from Beijing, which are probably as strident as the ones 24 hours ago.
Yeah, but that that begs the question why, Mr. Chang, why the defiant words.
I mean, they they have uh an economy that's that's taken a uh uh uh uh a fall.
They have workers that have been protesting, and yet they will they will get on Chinese language media and and have uh this defiant conversation uh for the good I mean like their only reason they're doing this is to somehow what to for their own people, for the Chinese people.
What is the goal here?
What's the plan?
I don't get it.
Yeah.
Um for about a half decade, Xi Jinping has been trying, has been saying to the Chinese people that China's already surpassed the U.S., that the U.S. is in terminal decline, that China doesn't need the U.S. except in very limited areas.
So when China goes to a third-party location such as Switzerland and negotiates with the U.S., they got to come up with some sort of explanation.
And their explanation has been um, well, yeah, we're not gonna bow down to the Americans, which is a phrase that they often use.
And they're probably going to say that they got the better of the deal, which they they did in a sense.
Um, and they are going to make that case that uh basically underlines Xi Jinping's authority and legitimacy.
Because if China can't appear to need the U.S., it can't appear to be giving in to pressure from President Trump, which is what the Chinese in a sense did.
So they've got to be defiant in their propaganda.
Well, you know, and China, I mean, let's face it, I mean, the truth is nothing really has changed their goals and their mindset.
I mean, they would like to dominate as much as possible.
And don't forget, too, that we've seen over recent years how they've been forming those unholy alliances with countries like Russia and Iran.
Uh that's a fact.
Is that going to change just because we're entruste in entering into this agreement where tariffs are concerned?
Uh no, it's not going to change.
Xi Jinping has been pushing the notion that China not only should control the world, should not only dominate the world, should not only exert hegemony over the world, but it should rule the world.
He's been pushing this notion that Chinese rulers have the mandate of heaven to rule what they call KM Xiao.
We're all under heaven.
And if we think it's just limited to planet Earth.
Since 2017, Chinese officials have been making the case in public that the moon and Mars should be considered sovereign Chinese territory.
In other words, part of the people's republic.
So yeah, it's ludicrous.
Um, but we can't ignore what these guys are saying because this is not normal competition as the Biden administration said.
This is an attempt to revolutionize the world by imposing worldwide Chinese rule.
And of course, we do not consider ourselves to be a colony of China.
But China that they consider us to be subservient and a colony to the greater celestial court in Beijing.
You know, I think this is just my opinion, because what do I know?
I'm not an expert on this, but it seems to me that they're like, yeah, okay, we're gonna we'll go ahead with this.
We're gonna work with you.
While uh behind the scenes, they're still kind of preparing, as you say in your book, uh, for war, and also to sanction proof itself.
So I think while both of these things are true, uh for the time being, it they may appear to be working with us, and we only have like uh two minutes here for you to answer that.
But really, they're still working some other things out that fall more in line with their agenda that you just spoke of.
Yeah, absolutely.
They believe that they're in an existential struggle with the United States.
And Rose, it's not because of anything we say or do, but because of who we are.
An insecure regime in Beijing is worried about the inspirational impact of America's values and form of governance on the Chinese people, which means we will never have amicable relations with China as long as the Communist Party rules it.
That's it.
All right, thank you.
I and I have to let you go right now.
I'm so sorry, but Gordon Chang, author of the coming collapse of China.
Oh, so check him out, Gordon G. Chang on X. Thank you, Mr. Chang, for joining me today.
Very important subject.
Thank you.
Well, thank you, Rose.
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On the phone is Jay from Delaware.
Hey Jay, how are you doing?
Good afternoon.
Good afternoon, doing well.
Uh a lot of things in the uh on the headlines today that you know, hopefully we got some good deals coming with China.
And you know, um, there's a you know, if everybody would just let the man do his work, uh, we I think we're all gonna be happy with the result.
We were the last time he did it, you know.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
So you know, days, it's just incredible.
Like I I know he he comes across a little bit crash, if you will, but if if the if people just let him do his work and and and let his cabinet do his work, I think they're gonna be um really satisfied.
You got uh prescription drugs coming down, you got a possible blockbuster deal with China.
That's gonna steamroll into all kinds of positive things for our economy.
Border border security.
I mean, this is I've never seen anything like it.
Um I hope you're your networks uh cover positive tonight on the don't hold your don't hold your breath, Jay.
Come on.
You know, you just reminded me of something though, and there was something I didn't mention.
I was talking about the Federalist papers early on, and one of the things I didn't mention was what was written in the papers about strong leadership and as it relates to a president.
One of the things that Alexander Hamilton said in those papers was that energy in the executive is a leading character in the definition of good government, it's essential to the protection of the community against foreign attacks.
But he also said this, and I think this is so telling.
He said, a feeble executive feeble, remind you of anyone.
Four years, four years.
A feeble executive implies a feeble execution of the government.
A feeble execution is but another phrase for bad execution, and the government ill executed, whatever it may be in theory, must be in practice, a bad government.
Can anyone say the Biden administration?
When we say feeble, truer words, Mr. Hamilton, truer words.
Jay, thanks for that reminder.
I wanted to bring that up, and thanks for your call today, too.
I appreciate it.
Alan is calling from North Carolina.
Hey, Alan, how are you?
Hey, how are you doing, Rose?
Good.
Can you hear me?
Can you hear me good?
Uh uh, you're doing a great job.
Um, I just wanted to bring up the point that uh here lately with all of Trump's deportations, they're wanting to cry out that these people are have the right to due process.
And I think Obama was called the deporter in chief, and and I I'm not sure of the number, but Bill Clinton also deported millions of people.
And did they, either of those presidents, did they have due process for any of the people or uh hearings for any of the people that they deported?
Well, you bring up a good point because I saw your name up there and description of what you wanted to talk about.
I did a quick search and in one year alone, 2013.
That's all the further I had time for.
There under Obama, there were 438,421 deported.
So yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right.
No one, I I mean, I think that he did actually get some criticism at the time.
Not from anyone on the right, but I think there were some that were concerned about that.
But no, he absolutely was doing that without the same criticisms that we're getting, or we hear, well, they're always gonna find something wrong with Donald Trump.
It's never going to end.
And you know, the thing that blows my mind, Alan, is that we see such great success when when we see what doge has uncovered, that alone, and taking that back to what I said in my monologue about overreach of the government and just you would think people would say, bravo, bravo, Donald Trump.
I hate you, but bravo.
That was great because it's their money that's being misspent.
And you know, I have actually an interview that's up on my Rumble page under Rose Unplugged that I did with a woman who gave us some examples of the US aid mispending.
It was atrocious.
It's absolutely atrocious.
You might want to check that out.
But anyway, Alan, thank you for the call.
You're absolutely right about all of that.
Don't hold your breath though.
I don't think anyone's gonna tell him he did a good job, even though they may secretly think they are happy about some of the results of the good work that he's done.
John calling from Mississippi.
Hey John.
Hello, Rose.
Hello, how are you?
I'm fine.
I don't know who you are.
But you said something to kind of shook you up.
And news is too true, but the way you said it, uh I'm sorry.
The way you said it really, really made a difference for me.
And that was that what makes the United States great and unique was that these guys 200 years ago sat down and said, you know, the government doesn't own us.
Yeah.
That was a breakthrough in thinking because up until that point throughout human history, the government owned the people, or at least that's what they wanted them to believe.
But these guys had the moxie to say, no, that isn't true.
And we're gonna put our lives on the line for that.
And I mean, I've heard all that before, but it never occurred to me quite so clearly that that is what other nations hate about us, and it's what makes us great.
Thank you, John.
And it's what scares people them too, the leaders of other nations, particularly when you talk about communist or socialist nations, that scares them because the power in the hands of the people, man, that is that is something to be reckoned with, and they know that.
But so the do the progressives too.
They don't want that.
And the thing that I love about our founding fathers is they believe, because they came, John, from a country, from uh uh uh a land that dictated to them who they could be, what they could do, how they needed to worship.
But see, these men, because I believe of their faith, because of their faith, definitely, that they understood that there was greatness in every one of us.
Greatness, because that is how God made us.
And the only thing that would unleash that greatness would be freedom.
And that's what everybody's afraid of.
And they shouldn't be, because when you allow that freedom and you allow that greatness and you allow us to work out that American dream, that is powerful.
That is success.
And and and and tyrants all throughout history, as you just mentioned, have wanted to squelch that.
They wanted to hold that back because then they would not have the control that they've had.
Our founding fathers believed that that God was the author of our freedom.
Not man, because if it were man, John, then man can take it away.
And they so much believed in this experiment, this America.
And they were great, they were it was perfect.
I mean, it really was in so many ways.
Did it have some flaws?
Yes, but I mean, there is no other government.
Do you have do you know anyone else that has a constitution like ours?
And you know why they don't, John?
Because then it would be handing the power to the people, and like you said, they can't have it.
They can't.
God bless our founders.
I just pray that there are enough of us that continue to preserve this republic and understand because John, nobody is teaching our children this.
No one.
I learned it, but they're not learning it.
Thank you.
And yeah, you're welcome.
Sorry, I went off uh tangent, but thank you for your call.
Um Tom, you're calling from Texas.
What's up?
You want to talk about China.
Yes, ma'am, thanks for taking my call, Rose.
Uh, I just wanted to say that uh, you know, this ninety first of all, I I really love what uh Trump is doing with these tariffs.
Uh I love uh, you know, everything in general that he's doing with it, but the 90-day pause with China is totally lopsided in China's favor because there's gotta be a million containers uh cargo ships sitting on containers, waiting to be checked into port that have been avoiding uh the tariffs for who knows how long.
And as soon as we get we we reset this 90-day pause or set this ninety pause, it's all gonna get checked in, they're gonna avoid the tariffs.
Meanwhile, we probably have nothing on the water waiting to be checked into to China, and there's not enough time to manufacture something, schedule shipping, get it over to China and unloaded in 90 days.
So it's totally uh totally imbalanced in in China's favor for this for this 90 day pause.
And if if uh uh Xi Jinping uh uh uh honors his word, then everything's fine.
We could give him this pass, but if he doesn't, uh Trump has to be punitive and hurt him even more than he already has the ability to do.
Yeah, I think you make a really good point.
I do trust uh Trump to know what to do next.
I I do.
I I don't I didn't see any other president doing as much as he did where this is concerned before him.
But I do have to believe that uh he's aware because he's a pretty smart guy, and uh he's a pretty strategic guy.
So I I'm with you though.
I there's a part of me that just doesn't trust China.
And and if what Gordon Chang is true, and I have every reason to believe that it is, that they're already telling their people a different story, which doesn't surprise me at all for China's concerned.
But Tom, thank you for your call.
I appreciate it.
Yes, ma'am, thank you.
We'll be getting to more of your phone calls coming up.
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You know, we were talking about Trump, and you know, he's just he amazes me.
Well, you know how you once to call it, it's now the Gulf of America.
Did you know that uh Mexico is suing the technology company Google for adopting United States um uh labeling of the Gulf of Mexico because if you do a search, it does come up as Gulf of America.
So now Mexico's suing Google.
Trump it just cracks me up.
He really does.
I mean, there's no end to uh just uh me just saying, wow, didn't see that one coming.
Wow, that was that was pretty good.
He's amazing.
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And I wanted to bring Winda in because first of all, I thought Linda was Italian by marriage, but now she tells me she had this like Italian what?
Aunt or grandmother or what?
She was my grandma.
Evelyn Gennata.
She was your nona.
She was my nona.
But we called her grandma.
Yes.
I had a mama and I had a grandma.
She was my grandma.
But she, you know, she loved me, but she kicked the crap out of everybody else.
She didn't take any prisoners.
I think she was afraid of you.
That's why she didn't.
She definitely was not afraid of me.
I was afraid of her, man.
She taught me everything I know as far as that goes.
I mean, she's not a good thing.
That's the part I talked about, man.
I can see the Italian in you.
I really can.
Well, anyway, Linda, I watched on Netflix just last night that movie called Nona's.
Oh my god.
Yep.
And it is based on a true story, right?
And it's that it is.
Uh this Maria, this restaurant that's in Stanton Island or on Stanton Island, but they had all nonas cooking for them, so it's based on this true story.
But Lynn, duh, I was watching and crying.
So I don't know.
Can you really say that you loved something if you cried through the whole thing?
I mean, yeah, you know, I live through four years of Joe Biden.
I love America, but I cried every day.
So I love America, but I cried.
I got through it.
It was fine.
You know, it was painful to watch.
That was painful.
But you know what?
No, Nona's looks amazing, obviously Staten Island.
My my husband's from Staten Island.
I lived on Staten Island and Sunnyside, and um my uh we still have family in Staten Island.
And he literally said to me the other day, he was like, Oh, we gotta watch this movie.
And I said, What is it?
He goes, it's all uh on Netflix and Vince Vaughn's in it.
We love Vince Vaughan.
I saw Susan Sarandins in it.
I hate her.
She's a liberal lunatic, so she can take it, you know, and then where the sun don't shine.
But I love it.
It was fabulous, though.
I love Lorraine Broco.
Yeah, she's a doll.
But you know, they were talking, it made me think of Sunday dinners with my grandmother, and it was just such a production because you know, we didn't just have like meat and potatoes and maybe a vegetable.
No, no, no.
She had the pizza, then the pasta, all homemade, then there was chicken cachatory, then there were the cheeses, always wine, lots of cookies, the knots, the pizzas.
And I just cried because I missed those days.
Linda, I miss those days.
I really do.
Did you have this with you, Mona?
We, you know, true, true Italians make big Sunday dinners, you know, like Lauren, who you know, who married my brother.
Her family still does Sunday dinners.
And we tried to do it with our family.
I think the difference between the families of yester and the families of today is we just don't make that time for family.
That's the biggest problem, right?
And a lot of times we live in different places, different states, you know, what have you, and it's very, very difficult.
I personally feel like, you know, like with our kids, you know, when we're at the table, we're having dinner, whatever it is, there's no phones, the TVs are off.
We'll play music, but that's about it.
But we're, you know, we're definitely engaged in the dinner in hearing about each other's days.
That's what's missing in today's families.
They just don't have that.
And that's why they're right.
This crap happens with their kids.
They're like, oh, I had no idea this was going on.
I'm like, yeah, because you were asleep at the switch.
You were watching what was going on on X or Instagram, or the parents are as bad as the kids.
You know, everybody just needs to get off the devices and back into reality.
It's very interesting when you're engaged.
Get off your devices.
I love that.
Put them there.
There's something.
I don't know how much time we have, but real quick, there was a story about butter that Anthony and you disagreed on, and I actually do remember.
Do you keep does Anthony like his butter on the counter or in the refrigerator?
They like their butter in the uh refrigerator, and I keep my butter on the counter where it belongs.
Because nobody's gonna go butter.
I don't know why.
I just thought of that right now.
I'm with you.
I like it.
Well, we want to hear what you think.
So you got a call in 800 941 Sean, that's 800 9417326.
Let us know where you what you think.
Where do you keep your butter?
You keep it on the counter, you keep it in the fridge.
Inquiring mind.
It has to be and that butter can stay on the counter for ages.
Seriously.
That's in my house.
Anyway, we'll be back.
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