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Senator Paul on Tariffs - May 1st, Hour 3
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If you want to be a part of the program, uh always a pleasure to have back on the program, Senator Ram Paul.
Um he has a different view than the president on the issue of of tariffs.
Uh Senator, great to have you back.
How are you, sir?
Very good.
Sean, thanks for having me.
Now, I I know your constitutional argument and you don't like the emergency powers that that the president is using and you feel it's an abuse.
Uh generally, though, you know, you've been pretty supportive of the president.
I mean, I think it's been uh a pretty productive hundred days by any objective measure.
Would you agree with that part?
Yeah, I give him an A plus for the 100 days.
I don't like the tariffs and think they'll be bad for the country.
But if he's able to negotiate lower tariffs, I'll be more than complimentary of that.
But on the cabinet, I've supported and I've helped get his uh cabinet members through my committee, I chair a committee, uh, been ecstatic about Bobby Kennedy, Jay Banachariat, NIH, Marty McCarriott, FDA, Cash Patel, uh Tulsi Gabbard.
Many of these are people I would affect, frankly.
So I'm I've been ecstatic about that.
I think he's doing a lot of good things.
The border.
My goodness, without an without a dollar and without any legislation, lo and behold, just with his sheer presence, his sheer force of presence, he's he's uh you know, ended the onslaught at the border.
I mean, still has to be watched carefully, but it's he's probably reduced the flow of illegal aliens by like 95% of the border just by saying he cares about it and sending some some uh extra troops down there.
Let me ask this question before we get to your constitutional argument, which I'm always interested in hearing.
Do you agree with the premise of the president that friend and foe alike that they have ripped off America with unfair high tariffs against us?
That would include friendly nations like like Canada and the European Union.
For example, the European Union charges a 10% tariff on an American car being sold in in their countries than a country like Germany, they have a 20% VAT tax, which is a value-added tax, uh uh national sales tax.
And, you know, by the time an American car, you know, makes it on a lot in Germany, it's sticker price is 30% higher, which has rendered it pretty much cost uh, you know, prohibitive for many people in Germany.
And while they sell about 50 million cars a year annually here, uh we only sell about eight million to nine million over there, and and I think that is that those are unfair trade practices.
Do you do you agree with the president's premise, which is we're getting ripped off, we're being abused by even countries that depend on us for their national security and And defense.
And is there something in principle that is really wrong about that?
Well, definitely on NATO.
Yeah, I think we've been ripped off for years and years, and they should be made to pay their fair share.
With trade, I think there is a fundamental fallacy.
So for example, if you say, what does the U.S. buy from China, what does China buy from the U.S.?
They actually don't trade with each other.
Only individuals trade with other individuals.
So if people say, Well, I hate the trade with China, we shouldn't buy from China, that's millions of Americans who go to Walmart are making a decision.
So let's say a million Americans go and buy a TV at Walmart and it costs $300 less and it comes from China.
So you get a $300 cheaper TV.
Every one of those million consumers made a trade, but they all feel like they got a good deal.
They wouldn't have given up their money to get the thing.
So all trade is advantageous to the people making the trade, or you won't give up your money.
If it's voluntary, you buy something and you're always happy with the trade.
But if you take all million people who bought a TV and say $300 and add it together, and you say, well, gosh, all those TVs came from China and none came from America.
They're ripping us off.
It's an artificial accounting or a way of looking at it because every individual in the million person trade there was happy.
How can we bundle them together and say we got ripped off?
So you could say it's unfair country to country, say, well, gosh, they have higher tariffs, but if they have higher tariffs on American goods, they are punishing their consumers.
So we can then say, well, we'll punish our consumers the same as they do by raising our tariffs to meet.
No, but they're also punishing American uh American manufacturers, American farmers, American ranchers, uh, because they're closing their markets.
Like for example, Canada.
Uh Canada you know, only allows a certain small percentage of of dairy to be brought into their country, and then they go up to a 250% tariff, and they're basically while we have uh open markets for them and and their manufacturers and and their producers and and their lumber people,
why would they shut the door in the face of of our dairy farmers or our other farmers or other American products, which they've been doing now for a long period of time.
So in other words, they're hurting farmers and ranchers and manufacturers here.
And and sure, maybe the person likes getting a cheaper TV, but the person that actually produces things that they would otherwise consume there, they're not given free access the way we're we we have given them free access.
So when I first heard this about Canada, I was somewhat persuaded and somewhat pissed off that they would have a 270 percent tariff on our dairy.
But then I looked at the It's after a certain percentage has been sold, yes.
I mean, I looked into it, but you know it's it doesn't come into play at all.
There is no goods, no dairy goes to the Canada that has a 270% share because we never reach the quota.
And the interesting thing is is when Trump renegotiated the U.S. Mexico Canada agreement, he raised the quota.
So he was successful in raising the quota, and we never get anywhere close to the quota.
So it's in some ways it's a red herring.
There is a 270 percent tariff above a certain amount, and we never get there.
We're always well below the number.
So there really is a tariff of zero.
Jerry goes to the No, the tariff is not zero because before you hit that number, the tariff is anywhere between five and ten percent.
It's very small, and actually quite a bit of it.
Well, I don't think it's small.
I mean, because we're not putting tariffs on the products that bring it into this country, so there is an unfair tariff balance there.
But I guess the the thing I would say is that tariffs punish your your own consumers.
So Canada if or any other country that wants to punish their consumers can, but we shouldn't have to be a good thing.
All right, let's let's accept that as true.
Then then don't tariffs, high tariffs also punish I mean, maybe we maybe consumers benefit.
I'll concede the point to you.
What's so unfair if the president says you can have we can have free and fair trade across the board, so we have a a level playing field, or if you're gonna tariff us, we'll put reciprocal tariffs on you.
Tell me why that's unfair.
If we're able to negotiate tariffs lower, I'd be all for that.
And uh to the extent that Donald Trump will be able to in the first 90 days negotiate lower tariffs, uh, I think that would be great.
If we just simply reciprocate and add to it, uh there'll be a cost, and somebody has to pay that cost, and that'll be American consumers.
So I don't I'm just an old-fashioned conservative.
I don't like taxes, tariffs are taxes, so why would I like taxes any better on goods than I would like in income tax or but do you believe in f I'm with you?
I want low taxes too, but do you believe in free and fair trade also?
Because I'm a free and fair trader.
Yeah, I'm for I think trade itself is an extension of capitalism.
And so capitalism creates great wealth.
And so the more we trade, the the more wealth we have.
And that's what we found over 70 years, really, is that people have moved from the lower class and middle class in our country to the upper class.
If you look at prosperity, if you look at GDP per capita, it's gone up astronomically.
If you look at how many hours it takes to buy something, like a TV, it takes 10% of the hours it used to take.
Rice, food, it takes 10% of the time, clothing.
We've had extraordinary wealth because we now have the free time from all that money we save through international trade to buy other stuff or to have more leisure time.
So really the story of trade over the last 70 years has been one of extraordinary prosperity for our country.
I do think, and you seem to you know not concede this point that we'd be that we've been ripped off and treated unfairly.
And and especially by countries, it's not just NATO, it's all of Europe pretty much depends on the United States for the national security.
And a lot of these countries have not paid their fair share to to NATO.
That's one aspect of it.
But the idea that they're gonna charge tariffs to American manufacturers and American companies and farmers and ranchers, I just think fundamentally is unfair, and I don't think they're being honest brokers and and good trading partners and good allies when they do that to us,
uh, which, as you rightly do point out, is beneficial to everybody, but it's more beneficial to them right now, and the president's challenging that status quo, and I think it's gonna result in better deals.
I can't say for certain, and I hope it's gonna result in better deals.
They're not wrong that there's the appearance and the reality of it being unfair.
One country has high tariffs and one country has low tariffs, but someone has to pay.
If you want to have if you're gonna force uh like somebody has a 20% tariff on you and you have zero, you say I'm gonna do 20%.
The American consumer will have to absorb that twenty percent in order to get a better sense of fairness, but there's an economic cost to it.
And so what I'm gonna say is that if for example is it is it wrong then to challenge the system and at least put the pressure on to at least at least try to get the system more fair and and more free?
I'm all for the negotiations.
I I worry about when you put 146% tariff on things from Vietnam and the marketplace looks at that and people get scared out of their wits and sell six point six trillion dollars worth of stock in two days.
This isn't just me complaining.
This is the marketplace, which is millions of uh self-interested, self-centered, but also um people who have a great deal of knowledge are all trading, and that simultaneous knowledge that the marketplace tells us uh they were worried about all of that.
So there is a way to try to negotiate uh trade deals and lower trade and to enhance trade, but you have to be careful.
But I'd take two items.
I'd take steel and shoes, and I would say um we've tried to protect steel on and off for 70 years, but our steel was inefficient, organized labor unions demanded extraordinary wages, and we just got out competed with cars.
When you look at cars, the Japanese are just so much better, they're still better.
They come to our country and manufacture here and they still make it better and cheaper than American cars do, and they do it here.
But I don't think there's any amount of tariff that's bringing the steel industry back, and I don't think there's any amount of tariff that brings shoes back, but we replace some of the shoe jobs, like we make BMW and green.
Well, actually, didn't the the president kind of got these companies, Nissan, Honda, for example, uh Toyota.
My understanding is BMW and Mercedes are are gonna build their cars with more American parts here as a means of uh bypassing the tariffs, and and I like it because that it that results in high-paying career jobs for Americans.
Um I I think the market is adjusting to to the president's challenge in that sense, no.
So we make three in Kentucky, we make the Corvette, which is American aid, we make the Toyota Camry, which is American.
Corvette Z06 is awesome.
And then we only make the Ford truck.
All of these manufacturers come to me and they say that the tariffs that have been placed on the 25% tariff between Mexico and Canada, they had already adjusted to a low tariff uh uh atmosphere, and they had a lot of parts going back and forth.
They say simply the compliance costs.
You know how banks can complain about the compliance costs of regulations, the compliance costs of figuring out a tariff on every net bolt and where it comes from.
We have seamless supply chain going back and forth between Canada, the US, and Mexico is extraordinary, but they're talking about five to ten thousand dollars a car.
So just not good for America to pay more, five to ten thousand dollars more.
In the end, you could say, well, it's fair, but Americans are gonna have to pay five to ten thousand dollars more per car.
And I think a lot of Americans will say, Well, I'm gonna put off buying a car, and then we may end up having a recession if everybody quits buying stuff because the tariff tax is so high.
My best bet, and I I I can't put a guarantee on it, is that all these countries that have expressed interest in making deals with President Trump, I believe that that is real.
I think China will be the most difficult to make a deal with, but in the end, uh they need access to our markets, and we probably need their rare earth minerals way more than we want to acknowledge.
That's more trade.
If we get that on Ford, but like let's say, for example, antibiotics.
I don't want four precious antibiotics to only be made in China.
So what I would No way.
That's a security issue.
Yeah.
Well, you know what I would do?
Uh, rather than the tariff issue where we might have no antibiotics or the antibiotic prices might triple, I would offer zero percent corporate tax on somebody who'll make those antibiotics in our country for ten years.
I'd say no taxes.
I wouldn't say lower taxes, I would say no taxes.
We'll remove obstacles, we'll expedite the approval of it.
But if you want to make a moxicillin, which is the derivative of penicillin in our country, and it's only anything only made in China, you know.
In fact, uh if that's legislation that we're considering introducing would be legislation to zero out taxes on anything that's only done in China, then we're not ruining the marketplace before fixing it.
It takes a while, it might take a year or two for a company to develop a steel company, it might cost a hundred billion for a blast furnace.
I just don't think that's happening.
But I'm not against giving tax incentives to U.S. steel companies.
Look, this is gonna play out.
I I agree with you, though.
I think the quicker these issues are resolved, and hopefully better and freer and fairer trade deals would benefit not only consumers, but manufacturers and farmers and and ranchers that have been shut out of some of these markets.
I think I think is the benefit for all Americans in the end.
But uh, it's complicated.
The sooner it's resolved, I would agree with you, the better it's gonna be for everybody.
If we could have within the 90 days a reciprocal lowering of tariffs between countries and announce that, you'll see a boom and and an increase in the market like you haven't seen.
Big time.
Yeah.
But we need right now, we're increasing government aid for farmers because the farmers are gonna be excluded from China's market.
China will also have to give in over time.
We're just out of time, though.
Uh, Senator Rampall, we always appreciate you.
Thanks so much for being with us.
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Democrats, I mean, the party of angry, petulant bingo cards, slogans singing, and now the party led by the squad, AOC, Jasmine Crockett, and Grandpa Bernie.
You know, they just they're just out of it.
And just had a complete meltdown during about Donald Trump's first hundred days.
Let's play it.
Let me tell you, we have a thug in charge of the United States.
And if we don't wake up, we may not have a United States.
I don't swear in public A law, but we have to Trump.
Donald Trump and Elon Musk.
And what Grant said is there are but two parties in America right now.
Patriots and traitors.
When is it going to be enough?
My voice isn't adequate.
My efforts today are inadequate to stop what they're trying to do.
You get your musty hands off the money.
You must have moved.
Now the president, I think, very smartly went to Michigan last night, and he decided to lay out his case for his first hundred days and all the success.
And frankly, the foundation that he is building for a lot of future American growth, prosperity, America's golden age, as he calls it.
We've set all-time records for the lowest number of illegal border crossings ever recorded.
Think of that.
Ever recorded.
I'm proud to be uh the president for the workers and not the outsourcers, a president who stands up for Main Street, not Wall Street.
Our golden age has only just begun.
We are one people, one family, and one glorious nation under God.
We will never give in.
We will never give up.
We will never back down.
We will never ever surrender.
We will fight, fight, fight, and we will win win win.
And he capped off the day in an interview with Terry Moran over facilitating a Brago Garcia's return to the U.S. Uh apparently when did this was this on ABC Nightly News last night?
Is that where they aired this, Linda?
I don't know.
It is indeed.
I know you're watching with bated breath.
No, I haven't watched one of those you know, 92% negative.
I don't even know who the anchor is anymore.
Clearly, Donald Trump didn't know either.
He's like, I never heard.
I heard I heard that.
Well, apparently it wouldn't give the interview to little Georgie and uh and David Muir, so Terry Moran.
I'm like, and yeah, I don't think he knew who he was.
That's that's the first one.
Well, he was out of call clips, you know, and David Muir doesn't do an interview unless he can have his jacket nice and tight.
So Donald Trump wasn't, you know, couldn't make it work.
He's like, sorry, brother.
Whatever I cannot tell you who anchors NBC nightly news since Lester Holt left.
I have no idea.
I have no idea after Nora O'Donnell was sacked from CBS, who's anchoring that show.
You know, could be Katie Kerric for all I know.
I have no idea.
Could be Katie Perry for all you know, you know?
Make it really weird.
Could be Katie Perry.
He's busy flying rocket ships and kissing Mother Earth.
So whatever.
Sure she is 11 minutes later upon return.
Star struck in quote unquote space with a sunflower.
Give me a break.
Uh, whatever.
I mean, who cares?
I don't know what by the whole story about people hating on Katy Perry.
I don't dislike her.
I do.
I did see her on American Idol, and she seemed like a nice person.
Yeah, she took that land from the nuns.
I'm kind of over her.
Oh, that's right.
I remember that controversy.
Yeah, you can't forget that stuff.
You can't mess with nuns, man.
Come on.
I have to tell you before I get to Terry Moran and Trump, do I have to tell you the story.
I bought a property and I get a letter.
Well, actually, the letter came to a friend of mine.
They didn't have contact with me.
And in the letter, uh it turns out, and we were in full contract, you know, I they had no legal right to get the house back.
And they had sellers remorse.
Really, and just you know, invoking uh probably the name of Jesus more than I could count on one page, you know, hopefully just desperately wanting their house back.
And I'm like, I I'm like, sure, no problem.
They wanted the house back that you bought from them.
Correct.
Copy.
I was in contract to close on very soon.
And they went and they uh and the person had sellers' remorse.
They they regretted selling it.
Well, that was it like their family home where they in it for like 30 years or I I don't know.
I d uh I didn't I didn't ask you.
How do you not know?
Would you ask questions when you're at the closing question?
I just read this long letter begging me not to buy their house.
And you know, I know you're a Christian.
I know you believe in Jesus, and I do.
Was this when you were already Sean Hannity or is this like pre-Shawn Hannity?
Like did they know who you were?
No, no, no.
This was what do you what do you mean pre-shot?
There was no pre-Shawn.
Well, there's like Sean Hannity, I'm falling off a roof, I'm working on boats, and then there's Sean Hannity.
That's Sean Hannity didn't have money to buy a house, unfortunately.
At that time in my life, I was barely paying my rent.
Um and so I I uh of course I said, of course you're gonna have your house back.
If you don't feel good about it, um I'm not gonna I can't I I mean, what kind of person would you be?
You gotta have a heart, you gotta have a soul.
Uh I would have liked the house, but I'm not gonna make anything more important than do being a good person.
That's really, really nice.
Maybe you should call Katy Perry and talk to her.
Tell her to give the nuns their property back.
There you go.
Like, hey, Miss Firework, how do you feel about this?
No, I just never had had an experience like that.
And I'm reading this letter, every fifth word is Jesus.
It was just in in that sense it was funny because I'm like, okay, you you you don't you don't have to oversell me here.
You regret selling the house.
You you you wish you didn't do it.
Why would I why would I want to bring pain into this person's life?
Now when you gave it back, did you like communicate through your agent or did you actually like talk to the person and I I always use lawyers.
I might have talked to the woman briefly and just said, okay, you'll cover the costs of of what I spent and and you're gonna have your house back.
But I mean, like were they relieved?
Were they happy?
Like what happened?
I want the details.
Uh the of course the woman was happy.
I said it gave her what she wanted.
How could you have a lot of people?
She's not like happy, like relieved.
Did she tell you why?
The only conversation I remember having was, okay, I understand that.
Not a big deal.
Sure, I'll I'll you know, I'll rip up the contract.
You just agree to pay for the cost that I incurred in the process of buying the house.
Which was not, you know, it was next to nothing.
I paid for an inspection and I paid for, you know, maybe a lawyer.
Well, I think that's very nice of you.
And I hope that it was her family name.
You would do the same thing.
Sure I would.
Absolutely.
When I buy my uh vacation home and somebody wants my other home and I put this home, sure.
I I hope that someday that is a problem I have.
Now, if the home had already been transferred in my name, I'd probably say, you sh you should have thought of that before you sold it.
At that point, you know, it's you just go through too much of a rigmarole.
It's just too then it becomes too hard.
I mean, you know, rent the property from you and they could pay the mortgage.
You could do that too.
There's all listen, there's always a w at the end of the day, there is always a way.
It's just how bad you want it.
That's all.
All right, forget about Terry Moran.
Let's get to our phones.
Um I don't care about him.
Uh let's say hi to Blanca, Maryland Sean Hannity show.
Hi.
Good afternoon.
Well, I just wanted to share with you uh that um I'm a proud American and naturalized citizen uh from El Salvador.
And uh I am from Maryland.
I am where the dams are.
So you're a true Marylander.
Well, yes, originally from El Salvador, but yes, I am a Marylander, and uh and where the Dems have turned Baltimore, Maryland into Bullet Moor murder land.
Uh that is what they have done here.
The policies have cost uh life, which is that cannot be replaced.
Uh the economic just the there is no safety net.
The economic turmoil that we're under is um unbearable.
Um I wanted to share as a Salvadorian and now American that oftentimes I've seen been here twenty excuse me, forty-two years next month, and um I have seen immigrants fight harder than those who are born here.
That is that's very disappointing.
Uh it um it's very disappointing to me.
Oh, I I I I totally agree with you.
I I have seen immigrants that appreciate freedom, especially if they come from countries where they didn't have freedom and opportunity, uh, you know, really appreciate this country more than Americans.
We kind of take things it's natural, human nature to take things for granted.
I I remember one night I was working in an office.
I was uh that's this when I was a painting contractor and it was overnight I had to paint.
And you know, in comes this guy, and he was a Russian immigrant, and the guy, you know, and ended up being so successful, and he was there to clean the offices in the middle of the night with his young son.
I couldn't sat with talk to the guy for like an hour and a half, learned a lot from him.
Yes.
Yes, because one thing, and I can't say for all, because I can't generalize all uh individuals, but one thing I can say is that the circumstances that brought me here, I was abused as a child in every way that abuse could occur to someone, and I was adopted and I was adopted at age ten.
So assimilating to a new country, a new culture, a new family, a new home, a new way of life, a new language.
Um it it really helps me to understand the cost of what it means to retain and preserve.
I think that oftentimes many m many people that are that were born here, they they kind of release.
We we try to retain as conservatives, we retain and we preserve, but they try to release and then they pander.
They tander to hold power.
And that power is not really power because they are holding so many people hostage.
The the the political party, especially here in Baltimore City, is it's as corrupt as the late the day is long.
It's very corrupt between the money that go to one nonprofit to this nonprofit and this one has a boyfriend, and that's why he got the grant, and then now, you know, they're not together, and now this and that.
I mean, this safe streets scam that we have here, you know, where where you can't know who they are, but we know that they have a record, and they're just basically just walking around the streets being tour guides.
This is what safe streets is.
Nobody can call it out because then you're called every name.
The the school system gets 1.7 billion dollars, yet we have 81,000 people just in Baltimore without a high school degree.
And so as an immigrant Well they're at 13 or 15 or something, some astronomical number of of Maryland high schools where kids not one kid could pass a proficiency test in either uh reading English or math.
Not one kid in high schools, thirteen high schools.
Yes, in the 13 out of the 37 schools.
That is correct.
That is because the Democrats continue to lie that you can get ahead by doing nothing, being socially promoted, and then there's no accountability.
The rec centers are ready to be opened until 11 PM.
And you know what that means.
Just the kids are going to just be at a rec center while the parents aware.
They should be at home.
They should be trained.
But the the the perpetual uh uh the the preschool to to the preschool to prison pipeline is real here.
So I just wanted to let you know that as an immigrant, I listened to you.
I I'm a I've been a Republican for over 20 years.
I was one of those uh like the the the let me just say something only because I'm looking at the clock and I'm gonna I'm gonna run out of time here.
I support legal immigration.
You know what?
We are a better country because of people like you.
And I don't care where you come from.
I just ask people to do it legally, respect our laws, border sovereignty, and we need to do background checks to make sure you don't have radical associations, health checks post COVID, and make sure that you're not a Financial burden on the American people.
And here you are in this country facing challenges, having to learn a language, new family, all of that.
And look at the the great American you are, the great Marylander you are today.
And uh, I don't care where people come from.
We just have to have rules that allow them.
We we Joe Biden allowed in terrorists, cartel members, gang members, murderers, rapists, violent criminals.
We can't do that.
But uh Blanca, you uh you you show how an immigration system should work, and it was designed to work, and you did it legally, and I'm glad your life turned out the way it did, and we're glad you're here.
You're part of our family.
All right, that's gonna wrap things up for today.
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Alina Haba joins us tonight.
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