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Mark Halperin - April 28th, Hour 2
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Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, one of the things I'm very proud of as a member of the press, I have never been to a White House correspondence dinner.
I've been pressured a lot over the years to attend and somehow was able to withstand.
That pressure doesn't come down anymore.
But in all the years, I've been doing talk radio and my 29th year on the Fox News channel.
I've never, I've just found a way out of it every time I was asked to go.
Didn't want to go.
Don't particularly like a lot of the people in the media.
They don't particularly like me.
So let's be upfront about it.
And it's just interesting, the self-righteousness in this room of people that really don't understand that whether or not they'd like to admit it or not, legacy media, as far as I'm concerned, is they're dead.
If they were going to have impact, the years they spent trashing and destroying Donald Trump and smearing and slandering and peddling lies and conspiracy theories, Kamala Harris would have won by a landslide.
That didn't happen because the American people rejected their message.
With all that said, over the weekend, they had their correspondence dinner where they pat themselves on the back.
They get all dressed up and they try to look real pretty and handsome.
And, well, here's the president of the White House Correspondents Association.
We are not the enemy of the people.
And he got a standing O.
We journalists are a lot of things.
We are competitive and pushy.
We are impatient.
And sometimes we think we know everything.
But we're also human.
We miss our families and significant life moments in service to this job.
We care deeply about accuracy and take seriously the heavy responsibility of being stewards of the public's trust.
What we are not is the opposition.
What we are not is the enemy of the people and what we are not is the enemy of the state.
They allowed so many lies to be told about Donald Trump.
Did they ever tell the real valuation of Mar-a-Lago?
Let's start with something very, very basic, fundamental, and simple.
There's a lot that they have done, and there's a lot of lying that's taken place and a lot of conspiracy theories that have been peddled.
It was one moment of truth, but frankly, it's way too little, way too late, and they missed the whole boat on Joe Biden's cognitive decline.
Alex Thompson, Axios reporter, said this.
One serious note.
To my bones, I believe that reporting and the White House Correspondence Association is as necessary as ever.
President Biden's decline and its cover-up by the people around him is a reminder that every White House, regardless of party, is capable of deception.
But being truth tellers also means telling the truth about ourselves.
We, myself included, missed a lot of this story, and some people trust us less because of it.
We bear some responsibility for faith in the media being at such lows.
I say this because acknowledging errors builds trust, and being defensive about them further erodes it.
We should have done better.
Okay, they didn't miss it as an institution.
They purposely ignored it because they have a political agenda, would be my analysis.
Anyway, here to weigh in on this and so much more.
Editor-in-chief Tuway, host of his new show, next up with Mark Halperin.
It's on MK Media, which is Megan Kelly's network.
And anyway, he's here to talk about his new show, and he's going to have interviews upcoming with Ted Cruz and again, our old buddy Gavin Newsom.
Mark Halperin is back with us, who's a good friend of the program.
Mark, how are you?
Sean, good to be with you.
My goal is to only book friends of yours onto my show.
It's going to be like a running.
Is that it?
Well, I guess that's it.
I'm banned from your show.
I'm never going to make it.
You know, in light of what took place and all the lies that have been told, and very specifically about Donald Trump and their standing with the American people, I think is next to zero.
Had they been, if they had influence, you tell me if I'm wrong or not.
If they had had influence, Donald Trump never would have been elected.
I think they've lost trust, and I don't think they have the ability to get it back anymore.
Well, I listened to your list of stories that they did a poor job on.
And as you said, not just because they were lazy or they didn't get up and be aggressive, but because of a desire to keep Donald Trump from winning.
And it was like, I mean, this is an offense.
It was such a partial list.
I mean, you had about 10 things on there, and you and I could come up with 50 more.
This is, you know, there's so many things going on in what you played from Alex Thompson, who, to his credit, was one of the few reporters besides us who tried to cover the obvious cognitive decline of the president.
But when he says, we got to be honest, and he gets tepid applause, the influence will be diminished.
I think the influence could come back, but it would require a level of acknowledgement of what they did and why that I think is probably beyond most of them.
He didn't do the why, right?
He just said, we fell short, I fell short.
Didn't say why, and you and I know the reasons why.
When did you first notice his decline?
Because I noticed it and was talking about it before the 2020 election.
2017.
I saw him do a book event for a book he was promoting in 2017.
And he was interviewed by a very friendly interviewer in front of about a thousand people.
And when the event ended, I turned to my wife and I said, thank goodness his career in public life is over.
And how embarrassing that his family is letting him do this book tour because he's in no shape to do a book tour.
He was glassy-eyed.
He had trouble following the conversation.
2017.
And I was talking about it and writing about it since then.
And as I said before, you didn't need inside sources to see cognitive decline.
You just needed a C-STAN subscription Well, yeah, exactly.
And there were very few of us willing to call it out.
And when I did call it out, I was absolutely excoriated early on for doing it.
And then it became like a nightly segment on the show because there was almost anytime Joe spoke, it was transparent and obvious.
I would also argue that as we're now at the 100-day mark of the Trump presidency, that I see these polls come out.
And Matt Towery rightly, he said, don't be fooled by these polls.
And you were one of the few objective journalists that saw the trends leading up to this election that were very favorable to Donald Trump.
And you kept telling people, if you want to delude yourself and buy into what prime time MSDNC is telling you, that's fine, but that's not what's really happening on the ground.
But if you look at the actual pollsters that were more accurate in 24, you get a very different story told about where Donald Trump is.
And what they're not factoring in is the first 100 days of the Democrats, where three or four of the last most recent polls showed their approval rating at the lowest level ever in the 20s.
And a party that has also, I think, taken a very hard, sharp left turn towards the radicalized left, with Jasmine Crockett, AOC, the squad, and Bernie leading the way.
Well, you're right about the poor shape of the Democrats, but I disagree with you about where the president's poll standing is because there are plenty of private Republican polls that show the same thing as these public polls.
I think, you know, first of all, the president's not running for election and the midterms are over a year away.
So we've seen other presidents like President Reagan have low poll numbers or President Clinton and then are able to come back.
So I don't think people should overreact, but there's no doubt that wherever you want to put his general approval rating, wherever you want to put his approval rating on things like the economy or the border, his numbers are down.
They've not cratered.
They've not collapsed, but they are down.
And even his own advisors would tell you they aim to do better this week, trying to dominate the news by talking about the first 100 days and the next 100 days, but also by getting more results, particularly on the economy, than they've gotten.
So the president's numbers are down, but they're not disastrously down.
And again, it doesn't mean much at this point as long as he finds a way to get things to be improved.
I think he's got a long way to go.
I think he's taking on and has taken on some of the most consequential and difficult issues of our time.
Certainly, I give him very high grades securing the border and the process of keeping his promise to get rid of criminal immigrants to start.
I would say that taking on trying to bring peace to Europe and peace to the Middle East, those are heavy lifts.
I think the president doing something that no president has done in 50 or 60 years, challenging unfair tariffs that have been placed on America by friend and foe alike is a pretty bold move.
Time will tell whether he's successful at it or not.
Also moving towards energy dominance.
I mean, there's not a single issue he's taken on here that is not transformational.
You know, eliminating, you know, extending his tax cuts, making him permanent, eliminating tax on tips, social security, and overtime.
These are all big ideas.
Yeah, look, three quick things.
One, time will tell.
And people shouldn't judge him by his poll numbers currently.
And I say the same thing about Democratic presidents.
Judge him by the results.
If he ends the war, it was Ukraine and Russia, fantastic.
If the tariffs lead to a stronger American economy, fantastic.
So number one, judge him by the results.
Number two, he is trying to do historically big things.
And that's inevitably going to shake things up and cause people to have concerns if they don't understand exactly what he's doing.
And number three, on things like Ukraine and tariffs and what the terrorists are aiming to change, I have sympathy for the president and his advisors when they say, what's your alternative?
People who want to carp about what he's doing, what's your alternative?
How do you plan to have long-term economic growth for the United States?
How do you plan to end the war in Ukraine?
If you don't have an alternative plan, I think you've got less standing to say what Donald Trump's doing isn't going to work or isn't a good idea.
These are the things he ran on, and he's doing them.
And I think we'll know in the next 100 days a lot more about on those two projects and some of the other people you mentioned where he stands.
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So you kind of dismissed when I brought up the issue of the Democrats, but we saw the quote sit-in this weekend.
We've seen a lot of singing and chanting, and now the party of dropping a lot of F-bombs.
And we saw them at the joint session with their bingo paddles, and they couldn't have the decency to stand for mothers that lost their children or a young man that beat cancer.
And I don't really see any leadership out of them.
I see a lot of fear in their leadership, like Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer, that they wouldn't dare take on the more radicalized party because for fear of losing their power.
Am I wrong?
No, I basically agree with your analysis.
I think the Democratic Party is in a world of herd, and they're not in a terrific position to be the opposition.
They're benefiting now, though, because they're, you know, particularly because the media environment is back to being very anti-Trump.
They're able to have things to talk about.
I think that you take the case, for instance, of this judge who was arrested in Wisconsin.
I mean, the facts don't seem to be in dispute.
Judge tried to let someone go who not only had committed a federal offense by being in the country legally, but by engaging in violence against other people.
And it seems like the judge's attitude was, I'd rather this person be free than be in federal custody.
The Democrats have turned that into some sort of assault on the separation of powers and an effort to intimidate the judiciary.
I suppose there was another way to do it to be less intimidating.
But I would think anyone who cared about law enforcement and the rule of law would be delighted to send a message that judges shouldn't be running Underground Railroad for illegal aliens.
Well, I mean, in this particular case, they're claiming a constitutional crisis, but the judge in this case helped an illegal that had been through the court system with a deportation order go through a back room to escape ICE officials knowing that these ICE officials were there waiting to arrest this individual after that particular court hearing, which dealt with domestic abuse.
So, I mean, if that's the hill they want to die on or a Brego Garcia and bringing a Brego Garcia back to the United States, I think they're making very poor choices.
And I think Congressman Queyar, the Democrat, is right on that.
Yeah, I agree.
And then my point is, the two examples, the judge and then the so-called Maryland man, I think are indications that the Democrats...
Maryland man.
If I hear Maryland man one more time, I'm going to jump.
I said it in air quotes.
It just shows, to me, they're examples.
The party does not have its bearings.
The Trump derangement syndrome is still too high for them to really understand where to be picking their spots to say, here's what we stand for.
Here's what the Republicans stand for.
To say, here's what we stand for, lawless judges and people in the country illegally who have affiliations with gangs and a history of spasm accusations of spasm abuse.
Those to me are very resonant examples of why there's reason to doubt that the Democrats have their act together at all at this point.
I hope you take a look at the Gavin Newsom and DeSantis debate that I was able to moderate before you interviewed Gavin because Gavin's a little bit out of touch with how well his state is doing and blaming Fox News for it.
But anyway, Mark Halper, we always appreciate you being on the program.
Thank you so much, sir.
Thank you, sir.
Good to talk to you.
All right.
Bill in New York.
Bill, hi.
How are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Hey, Sean.
Love your show.
Just wanted to say.
Thank you.
And I just never could figure out, being a person who studied history, why we would even think that Russia would give up the last segment of their western border and lose out on their western port to access the Mediterranean.
And with the promises that we had made related to the Ukraine and not joining NATO and everything else, why are we poking a Russian bear?
And I couldn't understand the past administration.
And yeah, we empowered them to fight to last as long as they did.
But at the end of the day, it just doesn't make sense logistically, financially.
And it's left in their hands now to lose land and lose a tremendous position that they had that they could have negotiated honorably and kept the promises that were made.
I'm going to tell you the biggest mistake Ukraine made was many, many years earlier.
I think Clinton was president when they gave up their nuclear program.
That was their biggest mistake.
They never should have given it up.
That was number one.
Number two, I think, you know, then we had Mince 1 and Minsk 2.
And, you know, unfortunately, in this case, if you look at Crimea, which is, what, 11 years ago now, that land was annexed under Obama and Biden.
If you look at what happened three years ago, that happened under Joe Biden.
And Joe Biden had an opportunity as Putin was amassing troops and he didn't take advantage of it.
If Putin had territorial claims, I think there were certainly better ways than the one he chose to resolve it.
And, you know, maybe it wouldn't have gotten resolved.
Maybe the war was inevitable.
But the way it evolved is it became a proxy war between the United States and Russia.
And we don't have hundreds of billions more dollars to pour into this thing.
And there's now an opportunity for peace.
It now seems to hinge on, you know, the two sides and whether they want this to continue.
I would argue I don't think Europe will ever step up and provide the weaponry that would be needed to allow this to continue to be a stalemate.
And I think it's inevitable that Putin's going to win this war.
And I think it's frustrating because I think Putin is a murdering dictator thug.
And I wish he never did this.
But I can wish till the cows come home.
Now basically you dealt a horrible hand.
And I give a lot of credit to President Trump for trying to resolve this.
If he can pull this off, it'll be miraculous.
It's not going to be a great ideal.
It's not going to be a great deal for Ukraine, but they don't have any cards to play here.
They have nothing.
The only thing they have left is to count on the good graces of other countries to fight the war and give them the weaponry to fight it, although they're running out of manpower to even fight the war anyway.
Well, you alluded to it just before, and it was all about diplomacy.
We have three 800-pound guerrillas on this earth, us, the Chinese, and the Russians.
And when we have a beef, we don't communicate.
We get involved with a proxy war.
Did anybody do even game theory analysis or just look at it from a practical point of view?
You're asking me if Joe Biden thought about it.
When he was asked at the time when the troops and the military equipment were amassing on the Ukrainian border by Putin and Russia, he was asked what would happen, what the consequences would be.
And his answer was, well, it depends if it's a minor incursion.
And this after Crimea had been annexed when he was vice president.
So he's rather dumb, naive, checked out, and absolutely responsible for the mess here.
And somehow that the American people are going to tolerate endless wars and proxy wars like this, it just is not going to happen.
And I don't think should happen.
I really don't.
Anyway, my friend, I appreciate your insight, your call, 800-941-Sean, if you want to be a part of the program.
Dan, my free state of Florida.
Dan, how are you?
Glad you called.
Oh, hi, Sean.
Hi.
It's an honor, naturally.
I must compliment you for the words you said, just a few simple words before the last election, November the 5th.
It's brilliant, but so simple.
You said, you are all, you're my deputies.
I'm deputizing all of you.
You have to get out and vote and tell 10 other people to vote and tell them to vote and so on.
And I was also deputizing people that they get informed.
That's why we created the Kamala files, the Tim Walz files, so that people could be aware of what they would otherwise, what we would have been stuck with.
It wouldn't have been good.
Well, I can tell you, brilliant people in the world like you, and you might say, well, pardon me.
No, to say a few things in a few words.
What I wanted to say is way back in 1966, about this time of the year, I was part of the Florida National Guard in a mass unit, like the TV show.
I was at Fort Stewart, Georgia, getting OJT, and I had a dear special forces sergeant.
When the first time I got there, I gave him a shot.
My hand was shaking.
It still shakes, but for a different reason.
I'm a couple of years older than my nephew, Donald Trump, who I love dearly.
He was a dear man.
He said, Dan, look, don't get fancy.
Just stop the bleeding.
If you don't do that, nothing else matters.
I have that written in my kitchen, hanging up on the wall.
I'll never forget it because it's the truth.
Donald Trump is doing nothing, but nothing short of that.
He's got his hands on all the arteries of our country.
And that's why people say, oh, he's doing this.
He's doing that.
He's too fast.
He's trying to make up for four years of a horror show.
And he has got everybody who he has hired so far, I think is fabulous.
And the people at Fox are fabulous.
You're trying to save our country.
Nothing short of that, Sean.
Nothing.
Well, I mean, honestly, I can't imagine.
I don't think we would have had a shot.
I really do.
I think we would have been too far gone.
He's got a very heavy lift in front of him.
He's taken on a lot of damage that was done prior to him.
Joe Biden left him a mess on the economy.
It left it a mess internationally.
And to his credit, he's moving at the speed of light.
He's trying hard to resolve all of it.
A lot of these things are going to take time.
I think probably in his first hundred days, the greatest success that we can see that is visible is on the border.
But then there's going to be more.
I would argue you're going to see a lot of trade deals over time.
And when that happens, I think it'll calm people down, calm the markets down a little bit.
And I think people will see the wisdom in challenging a system that has ripped us off for 50, 60 years.
And at least he had the courage to stand up to these people and say, stop ripping us off.
You know, I don't like being ripped off.
I hate when people rip me off.
Sean, I don't know what we do without you and Fox.
I saw Tom Holman this morning.
If I could see him, I doubt I ever will.
I'd give him a hug.
Same with you.
Same with, we appreciate Fox.
There's no way to say it.
I don't have the time.
You don't have the time.
I just want Donald Trump.
I think he's too dear a person.
He doesn't want to hurt people, certainly in Iran, certainly children.
but we have got to stop them, whatever, by any means necessary.
He has to be at ease.
He, they, they cannot get a nuclear weapon.
That's just that.
You have to start there.
And I think if they're going to make a deal with Iran, it's got to include dismantling their nuclear capability facilities.
That means every one of them, every one of them, and they need to be done by Americans.
And I think there's got to be anywhere, any place, anytime inspections.
And if they decide they don't want the peaceful plan and the peaceful out, if you will, then they will be responsible for what happens next.
And to me, that will be very catastrophic.
They will lose their nuclear sites.
And I would argue they probably should lose their refineries that they don't have the ability to have the monies to foment any more terror.
Anyway, my friend, I appreciate your kind words and your patriotism.
God bless you.
You are certainly not what is wrong with our great country right now.
That's for sure.
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Amanda, you're next on the Sean Hannity show.
Hi.
Hi.
How are you?
I'm good.
What's going on?
I just wanted to touch base because the last, well, for a while now, you've been talking about your new Tesla and how much you love it.
And really the thing that sticks out to me is the fact that you keep talking about how it drives itself.
It's got the capability to do that by itself.
I was just kind of wondering if that's ever going to be something that maybe possibly could be used for people with epilepsy because a lot of them cannot drive.
But if we had a vehicle that could sense, not that it's coming on, but that a person's having a seizure and they could go into auto drive and pull over slowly.
Well, I could tell you that technology is here.
I mean, they already have prototypes for like self-driving Ubers.
I mean, there's going to be a massive shift in the workforce in a lot of ways.
That's why I think it's kind of important, the $10 trillion that's been committed in new manufacturing, you know, between artificial intelligence and this kind of new technology.
I mean, you literally are looking at the possibility of driverless transportation now in the very near future.
And, you know, artificial intelligence and robotics and all these things, I mean, it's replaced a lot of jobs.
Funny story about a talk show host in Australia.
Apparently, they had an artificial intelligence voice do a radio show for the better part of six months before people caught up to it and caught on to it.
And then people felt betrayed by it.
But the fact that they could do it is pretty amazing.
Now, I happen to know somebody that is really advanced in AI, and I get deeper and deeper into it myself in my spare time.
It's pretty amazing and pretty wild.
And I could put in their information about what the news of the day is.
And what would Sean Hannity think about it?
It'll spit it out in mere seconds.
It's crazy.
Yeah, I just, that would be awesome because I know my daughter has epilepsy and to try to get a job is very difficult because she has to work around everybody else.
So I just, whenever you keep talking about your Tesla and that being an awesome feature, I just can't help but think that that would be an awesome feature for someone who they're.
Oh, absolutely.
I definitely think that you're going to see this sooner than later, to be honest.
I mean, once they can prove that it's safe and effective, you know, there's even been talk of people that, hey, you can put your car to work for you while you're not using it.
Like, for example, I went to the movies.
I told this story and I parked a car far away from the movie theater.
And there is on the control app on a Tesla, you know, where I just press a button.
It says, come to me.
And then I'm watching in real time my Tesla with no driver pack out of a parking spot safely and then make its way towards me like it's a valet.
And it drives right up to where I am.
And I get my car and I take it from there.
And then I can put in my navigation where I'm going and press a button and it will take me right to my front door.
And I don't have to do a thing.
I don't have to press the pedal.
I don't have to hold the wheel.
I don't have to, I just can't text on my phone because it picks that up like instantly.
You do have to pay.
You do have to pay attention, even though you're in self-driving mode.
Right.
But that's what I was kind of saying.
If it could just censor, because I know she has a monitor on her arm.
It gives her freedom to, or more independent.
I guarantee you that technology will exist one day and somebody like her will be able to drive.
Guarantee.
It's just a matter of when.
And I think that's, it's, it's great.
It'll enhance people's lives.
But, you know, that's also part of the genius of where Elon Musk is in terms of his thinking.
I mean, that's what Neuralink is all about.
You know, using AI to help people that are blind perhaps see again and people with spinal cord injuries that they may one day be able to walk again, I think is great.
Thank you.
But, you know, we've got to understand the world is changing and a lot of jobs that will be taken over by artificial intelligence and people are going to have to adapt to the marketplace.
There was an article today about Gen Z, Gen Zers now rejecting college in larger and larger numbers.
And a lot of people going to trade school.
If you want a job that's going to be secure, I can't see AI replacing a construction worker or a plumber or an electrician or somebody in the trades.
I can't see that.
But I can see them replacing auto workers and people on the line.
That I can see for sure.
Anyway, I appreciate the call.
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I'm Ben Ferguson, and I'm Ted Cruz.
Three times a week, we do our podcast, Verdict with Ted Cruz.
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Every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, we break down the news and bring you behind the scenes inside the White House, inside the Senate, inside the United States Supreme Court.
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When I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi, nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
From Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries, this is Fiasco, Benghazi.
What difference at this point does it make?
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