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April 22, 2025 - Sean Hannity Show
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Supreme Court Losing Touch? - April 21st, Hour 2
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I want to get back to this issue of the Democrats now fighting amongst each other.
You had Senator Van Holland in Maryland.
Now, remember, this is a guy that never bothered to pick up a phone and call Marylander, a real Marylander, Rachel Morin, when she was brutally raped and murdered.
And there was another woman in Maryland, similarly murdered and raped.
Never picked up a phone called either one or either family, never bothered.
Now you have even designated Trende Aragua MS-13 gang members being deported from our country.
They entered our country illegally as designated by judges, and they're putting the rights of illegal immigrants over the safety of American citizens.
How many Americans have been murdered and raped and victims of other violent crimes?
How many Americans are dying because of Biden and Harris and their open borders and all the fentanyl and all the opioids that cross that border?
And this is now the petulant party that won't even stand for moms that lost their children at a joint session of Congress speech.
They won't stand for a young man who defeated cancer.
They won't stand for the wife of a slain officer, a hero that's from Long Island, New York.
They won't stand for a young man who lost his father and got a commission to West Point.
They just stand there with their bingo paddles.
And I guess, you know, now they've got a second in charge at the DNC that is saying, well, if you're not part of this revolution of radicalism, there's really no place in the Democratic Party for you.
Now, it was pretty interesting to watch Van Holland.
He was asked twice this weekend if this guy, Garcia, is a member of MS-13 as had been designated by two separate judges.
Listen.
In 2019, police alleged a confidential informant claimed that Obrego Garcia was an active MS-13 member.
His wife and his attorney deny that, of course.
Can you say with absolute certainty that he is not, nor has he ever been a member of the MS-13 gang?
And did you ask him point blank?
Well, Dan, what Donald Trump is trying to do here is change the subject.
The subject at hand is that he and his administration are defying a court order to give Abrego Garcia his due process rights.
They are trying to litigate on social media what they should be doing in the courts.
They need to put up or shut up in the courts.
But since you were the one person to have met with him, and since this is a thing, you say on social media, it's what we hear from Donald Trump and Republicans every day, all day long.
You didn't ask him?
I didn't ask him that because I know what his answer is.
What he told me was he was sad and traumatized that he was being in prison because he has committed no crimes.
And that goes to the heart of this issue because he's being denied his due process rights.
All right.
So there you hear Von Holland.
He doesn't answer the question, and that is whether Obrego Garcia is a member of MS-13.
Then on the other hand, he wants to give himself a little out.
Oh, I'm not vouching for Brego Garcia, the man.
I'm vouching for his rights.
Well, he's already been before two judges.
Listen.
Do you worry, though, that you are sticking your neck out for somebody who maybe down the line is proven to be connected to MS-13?
I want to be very clear.
I'm not vouching for the man.
I'm vouching for the man's rights, his constitutional rights to due process.
And the proper place to litigate that is in the courts.
And the most recent federal district court judge that looked at this, Judge Zinnis, said that the administration had presented no evidence of his connection to MS-13 or, by the way, to any other criminal gang or terrorist activity.
Just quickly then, if he is brought back, if the administration finally says, okay, we got a duty, let's get him back here and he's given due process, then deported again, you're okay with that process.
I support the rule of law.
That's exactly my point here.
And if you threaten the rule of law for one person, you threaten it for everybody in America.
Fascinating.
People from his state of Maryland, Rachel Morin, raped and murdered.
He never called their family, never stood up for their rights.
Or Kylie Hamilton raped and murdered his state of Maryland.
Never picked up a phone and called their families.
Anyway, here with us is Congressman Chip Roy of Texas.
Sir, welcome back to the program.
What do you make of the show?
Basically, the entire Democratic Establishment Party and the Radical Party is now championing the rights of this guy designated by two separate judges, an MS-13 gang member.
Yeah, Sean, good to be on.
And I think what you're seeing in full display here, I mean, look, I can't overstate the seriousness of what we're dealing with here.
I think it's important to level set for your listeners and for everybody in this country.
We have a job to do to make sure everybody knows this.
What we've seen out of the Democrats over the last four to five years is an active effort to specifically put millions of people from around the world into the United States in violation of our law to abuse our laws, to abuse procedures we put in place out of the goodness of our hearts for asylum for very specific cases.
And in doing so, they have dumped very dangerous individuals into our country.
Whether it is Terenda Aragua, whether it's MS-13, whether it's other organizations, they have resulted in the death of Americans.
You've talked about it on your show relentlessly.
We've had people like Jocelyn Nungre, who was murdered.
Her mom, Alexis Nungrey, is a good friend of mine in Texas.
You point out the Marylanders that we're talking about here, Kayla Hamilton, Rachel Morin.
So where was this good senator from Maryland in those instances?
Nowhere to be found because they don't care about that.
What they care about is flooding the zone of our country with people to reshape and remake America.
That's what it's all about.
It's purposeful.
They want that.
They want our country to be changed that way.
And they don't care if we're endangered in the process.
So what we're seeing right now is a president being willing to challenge that.
And to be very clear about the law, there's a lot of words like due process getting thrown around.
We're not talking about due process here where you're talking about whether someone's being convicted of a crime and being afforded due process for, say, murder in the United States because they're getting due process for that.
And by the way, this individual got, quote, due process on the questions of whether or not he was here illegally.
He had proceedings.
The courts issued an order of removal.
There's a simple question that they had offered that, oh, well, he might be in danger if he goes back to El Salvador.
But as Stephen Miller has pointed out, all that means is you can't, that if that question exists, maybe you can't go back to El Salvador.
You go somewhere else.
The point here is they don't want people to be removed.
That's it.
Democrats don't.
Van Holland doesn't.
They don't care about what's happening to Americans.
And the fact here is the president does.
That's what's at stake here.
Don't get lost in this nonsense of, quote, due process, because that's not what's happening here.
What's happening here are Democrats trying to avert the system.
That's why they're opposing the SAVE Act, by the way.
They want illegals to vote.
They want non-citizens to vote.
It has nothing to do with all the crap they're throwing at the SAVE Act to preserve our elections.
That's what's happening right now, Sean.
We've had four different presidents prior to Trump now that have used the Alien Enemies Act.
And we even had a 1948 Supreme Court decision on this that said that it was once the president makes that decision and that power and determination is solely in his hands.
And by the way, we're talking about MS-13.
It is a designated terrorist organization that there is absolutely no judicial review as such.
Why didn't the Supreme Court stand by the Alien Enemies Act that was already upheld by the Supreme Court?
We always ask nominees to the Supreme Court if they withhold press, if they'll hold up precedent.
And apparently there are too many people on that court that were unwilling to do so.
Well, obviously, I very much agree with the dissents by the solid conservative justices and our friends, Clarence Thomas and Sam Alito.
One of my side note, Sean, one of the proudest things I've ever done is as a lawyer on the Senate Judiciary Committee, ensured that we got Sam Alito on the United States Supreme Court in 2005.
That's a whole story in and of itself.
But Thomas and Alito, they get this right.
I think the Supreme Court in its ruling, I think they get it wrong.
And they've created a situation now where they're endangering our ability as the commander-in-chief to be able to execute his function, to be able to defend our country.
And that's what's at stake here.
I've got a lot of smart lawyer friends that are kind of getting, in my opinion, wrapped around the axle on this.
You got to take a step back and go, look, as I said before, the previous administration violated our laws to dump people into the United States on a range of very dangerous, to maybe not dangerous, but millions of people, many of whom are dangerous and shouldn't be here.
And now you've got a president trying to fix that.
And now suddenly we're going to have the Supreme Court step in and say, oh, no, sorry, you can't do this.
You can't remove because we've got to afford them all of this mountains of process.
When it is very clear, there is a limit.
There is a limit to the kind of due process we're talking about on the determinations that the executive branch is making on foreign nationals being present in our country under parole and asylum laws.
Remember most of the time.
By the way, and for the record, I mean, he's not even disputing or it's not in dispute the issue of whether or not he's in the country illegally, which should be game over to begin with.
All right, quick break.
We'll come right back.
We'll continue more with Congressman Chip Roy of Texas on the other side.
Then your calls coming up.
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Alito wrote a pretty fiery dissent saying that the court issued what the court issued is unprecedented, legally questionable relief without giving the lower courts a chance to rule without hearing from the opposing party within eight hours of receiving the application with dubious factual support for its order without providing any explanation for their order.
And he went on to say, I refused to join the court's order because we had no good reason to think under the circumstances issuing an order at midnight was necessary or appropriate, he went on to say.
And I don't think he was wrong in his rebuke.
He was not wrong in his rebuke.
And I think that's, I think, the story here.
And I think is what we'll see unfold.
But there is a dividing line, right, in the, quote, conservative or Republican-appointed block of the court.
And you saw that unfold here.
And look, and we saw it last week in that five to four ruling that went our way, but you saw that Amy Coney Barrett went the other way in the four.
Like there's a dividing line here.
And look, I think Thomas and Alito are getting it right.
But again, I want to, and I don't mean to dwell on it, but I want everybody to take away what we're dealing with at this moment in history.
And I say, look, you know, Sean, like, I'm very much a believer if we need to have balance of powers.
Congress needs to assert itself.
You got to respect the court's role.
But here we've got the commander-in-chief who's at his maximum in the authority that he has under the Constitution to defend our country, to ensure safety.
And we're not talking about American citizens here.
And we're not talking about taking somebody and convicting them for a crime without due process.
We're talking about a president who removed an individual who had a court order to remove him to a foreign country, take him and send him back to his foreign country, his home, and say that's where you're going to go.
And now you've got courts saying, well, I don't know if we can do that.
Or that we've got these, oh, you can't do this for some broad class of people.
Well, where was the court when Joe Biden was abusing our law by declaring a class of people could be paroled into the United States with an app, dumping literally millions of people, including murderers of Jocelyn Nungre.
Sean, I'm not going to put up with it and not allow them to twist this all around.
And I guess.
Well, let me ask you this, because let's go back because this is the new radicalized Democratic Party.
Let's go back and play Hillary Clinton on the issue of deporting illegal immigrant criminals.
I think we got to have tough conditions.
Tell people to come out of the shadows.
If they've committed a crime, deport them.
No questions asked.
They're gone.
If they've been working and are law-abiding, we should say, here are the conditions for you staying.
You have to pay a stiff fine because you came here illegally.
You have to pay back taxes.
And you have to try to learn English.
And you have to wait in line.
What happened to that party?
Well, I would note that there was a lot of those examples.
You pointed that clip from Hillary is a good one.
I'm in Austin, Texas.
Barbara Jordan, a renowned Democrat.
She was on one of the committees talking about our need to secure the border.
Chuck Schumer, you can go find dozens of quotes about what we need to do to secure the border.
Again, this has all now been politicized.
And again, they're doing it at a time.
And Senator Van Holland is like the poster child right now.
And now we've got others.
I'm told that Speaker, I mean, I'm sorry, Democrat Majority Leader Jeffries is going to be heading down to El Salvador.
They are doubling down.
Okay.
They are doubling down in believing that they should be backing individuals who are affiliated with dangerous criminal organizations that are pumping fentanyl and drugs into our communities, pumping dangerous actors in our communities.
And that's the current modern Democratic Party.
Now, Sean, 40, you know those 47 people that were arrested near Austin, Texas about 10 days ago, if you saw that story?
47 Trende and Agua people, I guess 25 were affiliated with TDA, and then there was others.
That happened about a mile from my house, okay, in southwest of Austin, Texas.
This is real, and it is pervasive, and it is a direct consequence of Democrats who do not care about the rule of law.
Don't let them hide.
This is not directed at you, but for everybody listening, don't let Democrats pretend that they're for the rule of law here.
They're not.
They are for the raw law.
They're not in any way.
Well, we're going to continue to follow it.
I mean, but yeah, Texas has been on the front lines of a lot of this.
And, you know, but for people like you and Ted Cruz and Governor Abbott, you know, Texas would be in a lot worse shape.
And Governor Abbott, Governor DeSantis sending illegals to sanctuary cities in states and areas, I think was a stroke of genius on their part.
Anyway, we appreciate your time.
Chip Royd, thank you.
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I know other people have different views.
I have no interest in starting a conflict or war.
If they'd be willing to dismantle their weapons programs, knowing that what the inevitable response is going to be, that would probably be ideal.
Does it increase the risk?
Yeah, it does to countries in the region, et cetera.
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Let us say hi to David in San Diego, Cogo Radio.
What's up, David?
How are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Hi, Sean.
Thanks.
Longtime listener, first time caller.
A little bit nervous here, but let's see how it goes.
Let not you talking to friends.
Let not your heart be troubled.
You sound great.
What's going on?
Thank you, Sean.
Yes, I'm a retired immigration officer, did 30-plus years combined INS and CBP.
And I just wanted to sound off a little bit on this Van Holland situation.
I was watching it last week, and I was like, okay, I can't stay quiet anymore.
I got to try to call Sean here.
And the reason is, he starts off by saying, I'm going to go down there and I'm going to bring him back.
And I'm like, no, you're not.
Okay.
I taught immigration law for several years.
And the only possible way for him to come back would be if the Trump administration authorized a parole.
They bring him back, which, of course, that all hinges on whether or not El Salvador wants to release him, which doesn't look like they want to.
But even if they did, he comes back.
He doesn't just get off the plane and say, hi, everybody, I'm back and go back to picnicking and stuff like that.
No, he goes into detention with ICE.
He awaits this hearing that they say they want him to have.
He has his hearing and he gets sort of removed again.
So it's all kind of pointless.
And the only thing in contention, it's not that he's a gang member or a criminal or whatnot.
The judge agreed with that.
All the judge said was, yes, you're a gang member.
Yes, you're removable.
However, you fear going back.
to your home country due to gang affiliations or whatnot.
So that's the only issue at hand.
But that's even ridiculous because asylum, political protection only relates to race, religion, nationality, membership in a social group or political opinion.
I don't think being in a gang qualifies you for that.
Listen, again, I go to Democrats want to die on this hill.
And, you know, when Van Holland was asked this weekend, point blank, if this guy's a member of MS-13, he won't answer that question.
And there are some Democrats, not many of them, warning their own party against making a martyr out of this guy.
And this trip, by the way, it was an interesting Logan Act analysis.
I think it was on Foxnews.com, where this trip might violate laws that liberals used as a pretext for Michael Flynn and the probe against him.
I wonder if that'll happen there.
But, you know, if this is the hill they want to die on, standing up for, you know, somebody that two courts have identified as an MS-13 gang member, then let them be that party.
You know, there was an interview David Hogg was on with our friend Reince Priebus, and he just said, you know, and by the way, this guy is now championing, as we discussed earlier, you know, that the Democratic Party needs to primary anybody that's not hardcore radical left.
And he's saying, well, these Democrats are asleep at the wheel.
They're not AOC.
They're not Jasmine Crockett.
And it doesn't get any worse than if you're defending Harvard and the pro-Hamas wing that is there and you're traveling to El Salvador to defend MS-13 gang members.
It really doesn't get worse than that.
And you're championing the right of men to play women's sports.
That is the Democratic Party today.
So if this is the path that they have chosen, I just say just let them let them, when somebody's self-destructing, don't get in the way.
That's kind of a rule.
Anyway, David, you didn't sound nervous at all.
You did great.
We appreciate the call.
Jim in the free state of Florida.
What's up, Jim?
How are you, sir?
Hey, Sean, how are you doing today?
I'm good, man.
What's going on?
Hey, I was watching your show a few nights ago, like I do every night, and wanted to tell you how awesome and great job you did with Taylor Lorenz.
Excuse me.
Former New York Times, Daily Beast, Washington Post, liberal.
I looked her up, and she's just as cuckoo as a shooter is.
I got so worked up.
Well, I wouldn't say that.
I mean, she's not outshooting people.
However, this glorification, again, of Luigi Mangioni and this glorification of Hamas and this, you know, dying on the hill of defending the rights that don't exist for illegal immigrants that have gang associations, that that's your modern liberal left-wing radicalized party, and she just represents it.
Notice she wouldn't answer my question, though.
Then that's what got me worked up.
I got so worked up, I threw my beer at my TV and spilled my beer and broke my TV.
It was crazy.
You spilled your beer.
Well, that's not good.
If I'm causing you to spill your beer and break your TV, that's not good.
It wasn't you, it was her.
That's funny.
It's saddening that in the United States of America that there's people that are okay with someone being shot down in cold blood.
It's not good.
Listen, the fact that they are idolizing this assassination culture and their silence is deafening, praising a guy that killed the United, accused of killing the United healthcare CEO in cold blood.
The people that are praising a terrorist organization, Hamas, the people that remain silent as Tesla dealerships are being shot at and vehicles set ablaze and charging stations set ablaze and calls for assassination.
There was another call for an assassination of Donald Trump over the weekend.
You know, if this is the culture of the left, I mean, I don't know what to say.
I mean, you have this George Mason PhD student asking, when must we kill Trump and his administration?
When must we kill them?
You know, never in my life with political disagreements have I ever thought of political violence.
Now it's kind of institutionalized.
And then you have the fear factor, and that is prominent Democrats won't even criticize their own.
They're afraid to take a stand against something that basic, fundamental, and simple.
And I think that just reflects the dire state that they're in today.
Anyway, Jim, don't spill your beer, man, and don't break the TV.
I need you to watch that every night.
We have a great show tonight at nine.
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Chris in Michigan, Chris, how are you?
Glad you called.
I am great, Sean.
It's an honor to talk to you, sir.
Hey, Sean, the other day, you had a person on, and they mentioned the great one, Rush Limbaugh.
And I got thinking, I wonder what Sean would think that Rush would be thinking now.
If Rush was still with us, what would he be thinking about all the work that President Trump is doing and actually making a real difference in this country?
I think this would be a culmination of his life's work if you really want to know the truth.
I mean, what did Rush champion?
He championed liberty and freedom and constitutionalism.
He championed limited government, greater freedom, dismantling of this massive bureaucracy that has built up under uniparty rule for decades.
He would love the iconoclastic approach of Donald Trump.
He would mock and make fun of and point out the hypocrisy of the left and their embracing violent culture and them melting down and losing.
We've always known the left has been this way.
They at least tried to create an appearance of normalcy, even though we knew it didn't exist.
They hid their radicalism even though we all knew it existed.
And I think he would see this the way we're all seeing it as a very, very heavy lift to fix things and return to constitutional order to make this the most consequential presidency in 100, 150 years.
There's not one thing Donald Trump is now tackling that's not heavy and hard.
And it's a heavy lift all the way across the board.
And I think he'd be there every day, you know, championing the success.
And I know that the, you know, if we do this right, America will be richer, more prosperous, more free than it's ever been in our lifetime.
And as Reagan admonished us, freedom is but one generation away from extinction.
I think he would also be all about the idea of preserving it for future generations.
We now run the risk of being the first generation that hands off our country in far worse shape than we inherited it.
And so I think everything from national security and defense, the next generation of weaponry, securing our borders and deporting illegal immigrant criminals, I think getting rid of woke everyplace, everywhere.
I think Doge and eliminating waste, fraud, and abuse.
I think energy dominance.
I think America's role in the world.
We don't have to be the world's policeman.
However, America does have a role advancing the cause of liberty and freedom, and it's often a needle you have to thread.
But his voice is dearly missed.
But this was his life's work.
He championed freedom.
And when you limit the size of government, you are emboldening and enabling the American people to live free versus, for example, the Green New Deal, which is guaranteed womb to the tomb, cradle to the grave.
you know, promises that will always fail.
They'll be unfulfilled promises.
You end up the same way, no matter what name, whatever, what manifestation it comes in.
The guarantees will be there.
They'll never materialize, just like our educational system has failed.
Law and order has failed too many people in this country.
Obamacare has failed too many people in this country.
Social Security, Medicare is headed towards insolvency in this country because government never fulfills their promises.
And then you end up, in the end, you have unfulfilled promises and more poverty.
And then you have to calculate how much freedom you gave up in the name of false security.
And that's fundamentally the crossroads America's at right now.
And will America choose freedom?
Will America have the stomach to stick with Trump?
And will Trump voters have the stomach to stick with him to push to break this stranglehold that the bureaucratic institutionalists and establishment types have so desperately been clinging onto like manna from heaven.
And a lot of Republicans are having problems with it as well because they too have been institutionalized.
This is our opportunity to fundamentally restructure government into the original intent and purpose of our framers and founders, in my view.
Well, you know, Sean, I appreciate everything that you do, but I got to be honest, there's times I really miss the golden EIB and the wisdom Mike that came from.
Listen, I'm part of that club.
You know, I said at the time when Rush passed that nobody can replace Babe Ruth.
You just can't.
And I think Rush would want all of us to raise our game, do our part, do a little more, and knowing that he gave us a very good educational foundation for this battle, this fight, and frankly, the moment we're now living in, because this moment is critical.
We're at a crossroads for the country.
And I think we have the opportunity of a lifetime.
I really do.
I've never been more optimistic that America has the opportunity to write this ship and return America to its founding ideals and principles that we know work.
Freedom works.
Belief in the individual works.
And, you know, it's just enacting those policies.
Anytime we've ever enacted the policies of liberty and freedom, I don't care if it's Reagan, I don't care if it's Trump.
They always work.
Anyway, I hope that answers your question.
But yes, we miss him dearly.
And, you know, and we're also, I find myself thankful that we had him as a foundation.
Just on a personal note, I mean, he paved the way for all of us in new media, all of us.
You know, he came on the scene.
There were 200-plus news talk stations around the country.
Now it's the number one format in radio.
You know, we're now on 750 radio stations.
He made it easier for those of us that follow.
And that includes podcasters.
That includes social media.
That includes other outlets and other means of communication.
So that's why the state-run legacy media mob is dead, in my view.
Anyway, appreciate your call, my friend.
We'll always miss him.
He's in our hearts, and I know he's looking down on us and hoping we get this right.
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