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Feb. 28, 2025 - Sean Hannity Show
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Senator Blackburn's Search For The Truth - February 27th, Hour 2
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And I noticed it's been pointed out to me, I should say, because my staff monitors social media.
There's a lot of anger and frustration that, well, why is the Epstein files only phase one?
Why don't we have everything?
Why did we just get the Rolodex?
What are we going to get the video footage?
The IRS records and everything else that they've had.
And I'm sure there's reasons for it, probably legal reasons.
Now, as we have pointed out, other people like President Clinton and Bill Gates, Prince Andrew, who's frankly, I mean, he's been ostracized from the royal family as a result of his involvement with Jeffrey Epstein and that horrific interview that he gave in the pictures with the woman that made accusations against him.
Did not look particularly good for him.
And I think they came to the conclusion, but we did learn a lot today.
And I would assume that they want full transparency, but there's a legal process to it.
I'm not making excuses.
I would like all of it.
I'd like to have, I don't know why we have to wait for the JFK, RFK, MLK files.
At least somebody's going to do something.
And it's a start.
And hopefully we'll get to see everything.
I do want to warn everybody, and this has been a signature on this program.
This is why we got the Duke LaCrosse case right.
We didn't rush to judgment.
This is why I got Richard Jewell right.
I didn't rush to judgment.
This is why we got the Russia hoax right.
This is why we got FISA warrants right.
This is why, you know, we explained why the 34 stack charges in New York after the statute of limitations had run out was nothing but a farce, novel legal theory that had no business ever being in court charges and that never should have been made.
We pointed out the real valuation of Mar-a-Lago.
But Duke LaCrosse, UVA, Ferguson, Missouri, Freddie Gray, and the list goes on and on and on.
How did we get it right?
George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin, because we don't rush to judgment.
And just because somebody's name is in a Rolodex or that they might have flown on a plane with this guy who clearly is a creep, they've identified 254 victims does not make them guilty.
This guy seems like a star stalker in many ways and a wealthy person stalker.
However, the fact that their names are there, names are mentioned, and a lot of famous people.
I think that does give an opportunity for law enforcement.
And by the way, did Christopher Ray's FBI ever call these people and discuss these things?
No.
But just when you hear these names, just remember of the presumption of innocence before they're proven guilty.
Let's see what happens.
Let's let it unfold.
It will unfold.
Anyway, Greg Jarrett is with us, Fox News legal analyst, best-selling author.
How are you, sir?
I'm well.
Thank you.
And I echo the sentiments you just expressed.
And in fact, this may be an instance where the expectation today is greater than the result.
If people are expecting some new explosive evidence, you know, they may be disappointed.
The administration is supposed to be, as I understand it, releasing two categories, Epstein's personal address book and his flight logs.
But look, simply knowing him doesn't make anybody guilty of anything.
In America, we don't convict people of guilt by association.
They do in Russia.
They do in China.
As to the flight data, it allegedly reflects who traveled on his private jet.
But look, the people who may have visited his secluded island in the Virgin Islands, they may not have had anything whatsoever to do with the alleged sex crimes that are believed to have occurred there.
And some people on these flight logs didn't go there.
They simply used the plane, but didn't visit the island itself or even Epstein's Florida residence where crimes may have happened.
So, you know, flight logs could be incredibly misleading and subject to misinterpretation.
And bear in mind, you know, a lot.
Especially if it's somebody that clearly is a star chaser and a rich money person chaser like him.
Right.
Right, right.
You know, a lot of this information, thousands of pages literally, were previously made public over the years through court filings and cases, FOIA demands.
So the question, of course, Sean, becomes, you know, is there anything new or incriminating?
And I underscore that last word.
And as of phase one, we have not seen any of that as of today.
So I think that's important to point out too.
Let me bring in David Schoen is also with us, civil rights attorney.
And anyway, David advised this guy, Epstein, for a year, took over his entire criminal case, and he was killed nine days after Shoan became the official lead counsel.
Wow.
What did you think of this guy?
I mean, they're alleging here in this phase one drop 254 victims, David.
Yeah, well, listen, what you both said for your preliminary remarks is vitally important.
That is, and you've always stressed this, Sean, the presumption of innocence and so on.
Remember, you know, he never got to have his day in court either.
But a couple of aspects to all of this stuff.
You know, people refer to him as, you know, chasing big money guys, celebrities, and all that.
Believe me.
Do you think that's an inaccurate characterization?
No, I think it's accurate, and I think it went the other way just as much or more.
Because he had money.
Right.
He had money and he had, you know.
He had a private jet.
Yeah.
Private jet.
And maybe it's something to do with the women.
But what's unseemly now, it seems to me, is all of these famous people, people who took a lot of money from him, Phil and Topling and so on, wanted nothing to do with him.
And they all minimized their relationship with him.
I mean, I can tell you a couple of anecdotes that indicate his close relationship with these people who now say they barely knew him or something like that.
They were good friends with him.
He wasn't chasing them, people like Bill Gates and others.
When I went to advise him on one occasion, he asked me to stay to meet with a lunch guest of his.
That lunch guest was Ahud Barak, and they were in business together.
So he did business with a number of these people, and he was a charming guy in many ways to many people, different sort of guy.
But there are a lot of aspects to all of this.
And also, what really never has come out is the extortion that went on on the other end.
I can tell you that what happened was, you know, he was calling me for a long time, a year or more before he died, to review his lawyer's work.
He had a team of terrific lawyers.
Some of the best-known lawyers in the country represented him.
But he wasn't so happy with their work.
And then nine days before he died, he asked me to come to the MCC to meet with him and then hired me to take over his whole case.
I said, subject to meeting with the other lawyers.
Meanwhile, I'd put together my own team if they didn't want to work with me.
But I can tell you that I got a letter during that period, for example, from a lawyer in New York who said his client was one of the victims of Jeffrey Epstein, and he described the house and so on, all of which was public record.
And he said he's going to go to the press and so on.
But if Mr. Epstein were to pay his client $25 million, he would disappear.
Afterwards, I saw this guy on TV saying all his client ever wanted was her day in court, and it was so sad.
It wasn't about money.
So there's a lot more to this story than just, you know, this guy was a really bad guy and all of these things.
So when you read these prominent names that were released today, Ely Wiesel and Naomi Campbell, Angie Dickinson, and Michael Bloomberg and Alec Baldwin, I think you can't put enough emphasis on the fact that only means that they had a contact with him in some way, shape, manner, or form.
That's fair.
That's fair.
absolutely fair and important and responsible to point out um and and are you how do i ask this the right way Because I've known you so long and I know you're a man of great integrity.
I really do.
And I would vouch for that under oath.
Thank you.
And I guess you really can't answer this question.
I mean, it seems when you have that much smoke, there's got to be a lot of fire.
And you had a lot of people there.
And I'm very suspicious.
Were you suspicious of him?
Well, first of all, I give every client the benefit of the doubt.
I will tell you this, without revealing anything privileged and so on.
He said to me that he swore absolutely that he never had any young woman with him who was under the legal age of the jurisdiction where they were.
You can say I'm a sucker, but I give every client the benefit of the doubt, and he said that, and he had no reason to lie to me.
He was telling me a lot of things since I was preparing to represent him in the case.
As you've said, there are a lot of court cases out there, a lot of settlements that have been made.
After he died, I was hired temporarily to represent all of the litigation that was going on, his estate and so on.
But that lasted about a week.
I think the original lawyers sort of, I don't think, wanted me involved with the case and some other folks too.
But look, they do throw names around all the time.
You can remember that people were saying, oh, well, he had an association with Donald Trump.
I can tell you unequivocally that I don't know what these records are going to say or imply.
There is nothing scandalous that he would have had to say about Donald Trump.
I can tell you that unequivocally, and I can, you know, it's public record that Donald Trump threw him out of the club, Mar-a-Lago.
Donald Trump threw him out of the club, but he threw him out for a specific reason, how he was treating young women.
Yeah, yeah.
Is my understanding, if I'm wrong, correct me.
Greg, let's get your take on it.
Because, I mean, they're claiming in this phase one release today, they've identified 254 victims, masseuse, if you will, and some of them are underage, according to Marshall Blackburn.
I would call them alleged victims.
That is the only appropriate thing.
You know, look, in my own practice early in my career, I think that's prudent.
I agree with you.
What I saw, especially when it came to ultra-rich clients or semi-famous or famous people, all kinds of other individuals would come out of the woodwork when the story hit the press, claiming, oh, gee whiz, I'm a victim too, and then, you know, sticking their hand out for money.
And, you know, what you often discover is that they're simply money garbers who are taking advantage of the situation and a vulnerable person and making stuff up.
You know, by virtue of his enormous wealth, Epstein was very adept at mingling with prominent people, corporate world, the government, foreign governments, as David pointed out, celebrities and royalty.
He was innately a very social person.
And some individuals had only a passing acquaintance with him.
Others were soliciting contributions or providing financial contributions for charities and NGOs and all kinds of causes.
Now, all of that is legitimate and should not be conflated with criminal wrongdoing.
So I think people need to be careful.
And Sean, you've always been more careful than anyone I know in emphasizing the presumption of innocence and questioning, as you did in the Duke La Crosse case, the accuser who ended up being a complete liar and recently admitted she lied.
Isn't that amazing?
I'll give you a question.
You know how I got that case right?
I got in my car and I drove to Garden City, Long Island, and I met with the families.
And I knew exculpatory evidence was coming.
David, what do you want to say?
You are 100% right, and you always have been.
A perfect example of what Greg says.
I'll give you a little anecdote.
Went to Epstein's house once to meet with him about discussing the case.
So I told you he asked me to stay with his lunch guest.
I said, we're here talking about a criminal case.
I don't think that's appropriate, whatever.
But, you know, he was just a friendly guy and all that.
So I'm looking at a set of pictures by his dining room.
One of them is a picture of Bill Gates with a dollar bill stuck inside the picture.
So I said, what's this all about?
Each picture had a story.
They're great stories, actually.
He said, well, I made a bet with Bill Gates.
So what am I going to bet Bill Gates?
I bet him a dollar.
Now, does having a picture of Bill Gates in the dollar bill mean in any way that Bill Gates did anything unseemly?
Absolutely not.
It does mean, though, they knew each other, and I would suggest they were friends.
How about Leslie Wex?
You know, all of these people who were friends with him then deny any relationship or much of a relationship where they minimize it.
The guy was a charming guy to be around, different guy, math genius, that sort of thing.
But, you know, look, lawyers have made millions and millions off of the civil cases so far.
That became a cottage industry.
And many young women have made millions of dollars.
If you believe they were victims, and that was justified.
If you don't, then, you know, everyone is entitled to his or her victim.
And then we have this whole question about his death, which we don't have time to get into.
But I would like justice to be served if there's victims here.
I really do.
There's nothing that offends me more than abusing young girls like this.
It just makes my blood boil the thought of it.
And I hope we get to the bottom of it.
We get to the truth.
And then the American people will know this is a first step, and I just want to get to the bottom of it.
Anyway, we appreciate you both.
David Schoen, Greg Jarrett, thank you guys.
When we come back, Marsha Blackburn, who really is largely responsible for pushing to get the release of all of this, is going to give us her insight into it, what she thinks of all of this.
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I've got to give a tip of the hat to Marsha Blackburn.
A lot of things that will be released in the days, weeks, months ahead, including the RFK files and the JFK files and the MLK files and the rest of the Epstein files, is because she has been fighting really hard to make that happen.
We'll get her take on the phase one release today and what it means and much, much more.
And we'll get to your calls coming up and the presser with the Prime Minister of Great Britain and Donald Trump.
This was pretty spectacular and pretty special.
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We got to give a lot of props to our Senate friend in Tennessee, Senator Marsha Blackburn.
She has been demanding the release of these Epstein files.
We got basically the first release today, and I assume there's going to be more.
And she's gone over it with a fine-tooth comb.
Senator, great to have you back.
Thank you for fighting for this.
Thank you for winning.
I think we have a right to know, like we have a right to know about the assassination of JFK, RFK, and MLK.
Yes, indeed.
You are right, Sean.
And this has been a fight that has gone on for years.
And the FBI and the Democrats at Senate Judiciary Committee have blocked the efforts that I've made to make things public.
And I've worked with A.G. Bondi and Director Patel.
And the first group is out.
You will see that there are 254 victims that are listed on these documents as masseas.
And of course, every bit of that is rejected.
These victims have suffered enough, and we do not want them to suffer more.
But we have learned some new things from this.
We have known that there was a file from the court case and the search of Epstein's home, but didn't know exactly what was what it could contain.
And in the documents released is some information around that.
It gives us more information of where to look.
There also are some law enforcement notes that are made public.
This helps us to know where to look because this is not about celebrity.
This is about breaking apart a global human trafficking, sex trafficking ring that Jeffrey Epstein was a big part of.
And what we want to do is to get these puzzle pieces, put them together, make certain people are held to account, that people that should be prosecuted are prosecuted.
When you say there's a roadmap about where to look and law enforcement notes, very specifically, I'm trying to understand what that means.
In other words, we don't have the names of the people that accompanied Epstein either on the Lolita Express, as they called it, or this crazy island that he owned where a lot of this stuff took place as well.
So according to reports.
And do you believe it will lead eventually to the people that participated in these activities?
And when you talk about masuses and 254 victims, are we talking about some of them being underage?
Oh, yes, absolutely.
But of course, their names have been redacted.
There were two.
Wait a minute.
That would be horrible.
You can't do that.
Yeah.
Right.
You have to redact those names.
And they were forced to participate.
And they were termed as masuses.
But that's 254 women and girls.
And there are some names that are on there that people will see listed.
You've got Alec Baldwin, you've got Michael Bloomberg, you've got Flavio Brooks, what is it, Britor, Jean-Luc Brunel.
Now, Jean-Luc Brunel was the French sex trafficker, and we felt that he had a relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.
And Jean-Luc Brunel died in a French prison while he was awaiting trial.
Naomi Campbell, Janice Dickinson, Ellie Weisel, the Duke of York, and the Duchess of York.
You also have others that you're going to.
Wait a minute.
You said Naomi Campbell, the model.
Who else did you mention?
Yes.
Yes.
And so.
Angie Dickinson.
Now, do we know that all of these people were involved in this?
No.
Partook in or that they were just part of his world.
They were part of his world.
They were on the flight.
They were listed in the flight logs.
So they're listed in the flight logs because I think it's important to point out maybe they didn't know.
And I'm just trying to be fair.
And I don't rush to judgment.
And I have a history of being right because I don't rush to judgment.
But just because Eli Wozell or even Alec Baldwin, who I can't stand, or Mayor Bloomberg, just because they were on flights with the guy does not mean necessarily that they knew anything about it or were partaking in any of that.
Is that a fair statement?
That is a very fair statement.
But they need to be questioned, I would argue, right?
Well, what we would like to know is what did they know?
What did they see?
And help us to break apart what everyone now realizes was a global human trafficking, sex trafficking ring.
And the reason for getting this, all this information, as I said, is to break this apart.
This is about saving the lives of women and children who even today, Sean, they are being forced into human trafficking.
Sex trafficking, we know that it is about $150 billion a year business.
This is modern day slavery.
And because we know these pieces, and we know the FBI conducted a raid at his house, and now we know they took computers, they took laptops, they took phones.
This helps us then to turn to the FBI, the deep state, if you will, that had tried to cover some of this information and say, where are these components?
Who are the individuals that are in these pictures?
And then also to get the video footage, which we have been told is housed at the FBI or with the FBI.
And this is getting all of this, plus the IRS records, which I've also written for and requested, will show us who Jeffrey Epstein partnered with in breaking in, building this human trafficking,
sex trafficking ring so that we can hold these people to account, so that we can break apart this human trafficking ring, and we can bring an end to this.
It's interesting that President Trump at one point, you know, realized who Jeffrey Epstein was and threw him out of Mar-a-Lago.
He was a club member, and then he threw him out because of his behavior when he found out about it.
And I think that Ed has said repeatedly that he is a bad guy.
So obviously this guy was seeking fame and fortune by hanging out with famous people.
Doesn't mean those people were involved.
And again, the presumption of innocence, I think, is very important.
I do want to caution people, but I do believe every name that you mention could be valuable in terms of telling people, law enforcement, what they knew and when they knew it.
I agree with you on that fact as well, now that it's made public.
That's right.
As I said, this is about breaking apart a global human and sex trafficking ring.
This is about justice for these women and children.
This is about putting an end to modern day slavery, which is what this human trafficking is.
And every piece of information we get, you know, Sean, is like a puzzle.
You get one piece of information, so then you can look for the pieces that go around that.
And these individuals that are on the flight logs might have information.
This may help them recall something that happened or that they witnessed or saw, and they may, and we would love for them to come forward and say, this is what I experienced and help us break this apart.
As I said, we need these puzzle pieces.
The FBI really thwarted our efforts for years to get this information.
And I started working on this as the top Republican on the Human Rights Subcommittee there at Senate Judiciary Committee.
What we need to know is who was in his orbit and what was their relationship and what would they have seen or witnessed that would help us in solving this problem.
We need to know who his financial contacts were.
And that is the importance of the IRS records.
Let me ask you this.
Are you as concerned at, I mean, so much went wrong when he died in prison.
I mean, the way they described his death, you know, that he hung himself from a bed that was low to the ground.
I'm not saying it's impossible because experts have said it's not impossible.
But the fact that the cameras that were supposed to be on him and the guards that were supposed to be checking on him regularly, all of that, that whole system fell apart, which makes me very suspicious.
Are you as suspicious as I am?
I think it is a situation that makes all of us question exactly what happened and how you could have had so many fumbles in a very short period of time that resulted in someone losing their life while they were in federal custody.
The same is what we see with the Brunel case in France, that he died in prison awaiting trial.
And as I said, we know human trafficking, sex trafficking is a $150 billion a year business.
So this is something that causes us tremendous concern.
And A.G. Bondi and Kash Patel are working with me.
This was phase one.
We are moving forward to phase, we hope there will be two, three, and four, a few more phases, until we can get to the bottom of this and the American people can get the answers that they deserve.
It is so sick when I hear this.
I honestly, I want to throw up because I have a very hard time understanding, you know, the systemic abuse of children.
And we've done many stories about this over the years and the child trafficking across our border that has taken place.
And I've spoken to border agents.
They've done this work for 15 straight years and they say exactly what you're saying.
You have no idea.
It is on a level of magnitude that shocks the soul.
And that's what you're discovering and pushing for answers.
And I think that, you know, hopefully, rightly, this is phase one.
We'll get to the bottom of it.
Do you know when the rest is coming out?
We're going to continue to work on it.
It's an ongoing project, and we will keep you posted.
All right.
Well, probably this day wouldn't have come if not for the election of Donald Trump and for A.G. Pambondi, FBI Director Kash Patel.
And you were working on this for years, and we got to tip our hat to you.
And we want to get to the bottom of it, get to the truth, get the answers.
And I hope we can save some of these kids in the end, too.
Thank you so much, Senator Marshall Blockburn.
All right, when we come back, a really phenomenal presser gaggle in the Oval Office with the Prime Minister Keir Starmer of Great Britain, the Prime Minister of Great Britain was with President Trump today.
It was really fascinating, amazing, and I just think it's worth playing for everybody.
We're going to come back, play that on the other side of the break.
We'll also get to calls 800-941-Sean.
And all of this we will have tonight on Hannity 9 Eastern on the Fox News channel, including what we do know and what we just heard about the Epstein files.
I want to reiterate that people are innocent until proven guilty.
But however, if flight logs are showing people were around this guy and they have identified 254 victims they believe to be victims and people were around him, I would think that they want to cooperate.
And of course, they're innocent until proven guilty.
Ellie Weizel, Naomi Campbell, Angie Dickinson, do I believe all these people necessarily were involved?
No, I do not.
But whatever information they have about the time they spent with them, I think could be extremely valuable helping law enforcement get to the bottom of it.
Or Mayor Bloomberg or Alec Baldwin.
Nobody's accusing anybody here.
Everyone believes in the presumption of innocence, but they were hanging out with somebody that turns out to be a very, very bad human being.
And that's a lot of young people.
And the systemic corruption involved in Epstein's life is just unbelievable.
He definitely seemed like he wanted to be around every star imaginable.
Why?
I don't know.
Maybe to compromise them.
I have no idea.
Anyway, quick break.
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