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Feb. 28, 2025 - Sean Hannity Show
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Senator Blackburn's Search For The Truth - February 27th, Hour 2
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If you want to be a part of the program, and I noticed uh it's been pointed out to me, I should say, because uh my staff monitors social media.
There's a lot of anger and frustration that well, why is this why is the Epstein Files only phase one?
Why don't we have everything?
Um why did we just get the Rolodex?
What are we gonna get the video footage?
Uh the IRS records and and everything else that that they've had, and uh I'm sure there's reasons for it, um, probably legal reasons.
Now, as we have pointed out, other people like President Clinton and Bill Gates, Prince Andrew, who's frankly uh I mean, is he's he's been ostracized from the royal family as a result of his involvement with Jeffrey Epstein and that horrific interview that he gave in the pictures uh with the woman that made accusations against him didn't not look particularly uh good for him.
And I think they came to the conclusion, but we did learn a lot today, and and I would assume that they want full transparency, but there's a legal process to it.
I'm not making excuses.
I would like all of it.
I'd like to have I don't know why we have to wait for the uh uh JFK, RFK, MLK files.
At least somebody's gonna do something, and it's a start, and hopefully we'll get to see everything.
I do want to warn everybody, and this has been a signature on this program.
This is why we got the Duke Lacrosse case right.
We didn't rush the judgment.
This is why I got Richard Jewell right.
I didn't rush the judgment.
This is why we got the Russia hoax right.
This is why we got uh Pfizer warrants right.
This is why, you know, we we explained why the 34 stack charges in New York after the statute of limitations had run out, was was nothing but a farce novel legal theory that had no business ever being in court charges that never should have been made.
We pointed out the real valuation of Mar a Lago.
But uh Duke Lacrosse, UVA, uh Ferguson, Missouri, Freddie Gray, and the list goes on and on and on.
How did we get it right?
George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin, because we don't rush to judgment.
And just because somebody's name is is in a Rolodex or that they might have flown on a plane with this this guy who clearly is a creep.
They've identified 254 victims, does not make them guilty.
This guy, you know, seems like a star stalk stalker in many ways and a wealthy person stalker.
Uh however, the fact that their names are there, names are mentioned, and a lot of famous people.
Uh, I think that does give an opportunity for law enforcement.
And by the way, did did Christopher Reyes FBI ever call these people and discuss these things?
No.
And but just when you hear these names, just remember that of the presumption of innocence before they're proven guilty.
Let's see what happens.
Let it unfold.
It will unfold.
Anyway, uh Greg Jarrett is with us, uh Fox News legal analyst, best selling author.
How are you, sir?
I'm well, thank you.
And and I echo the sentiments you just expressed.
And in fact, this may be an instance where the expectation today is greater than the result.
If people are expecting some new explosive evidence, you know, they may be disappointed.
The administration is supposed to be, as I understand it, releasing two categories.
Epstein's personal address book and his flight logs.
Look, simply knowing him doesn't make anybody guilty of anything.
In America, we don't convict people of guilt by association.
They do in Russia, they do in China.
As for the flight data, it allegedly reflects who traveled on his private jet.
But look, the people who may have visited his secluded island and the Virgin Islands, they may not have had anything whatsoever to do with the alleged sex crimes that are believed to have occurred there, and some people on these flight logs didn't go there.
They simply used the plane, but didn't visit the island itself or even Epstein's Florida residence where crimes may have happened.
So, you know, flight logs could be incredibly misleading and subject to misinterpretation.
And bear in mind, you know, a lot of especially if it's somebody that clearly is a star chaser and uh a rich money person chaser like him.
Right, right.
Uh you know, a lot of this information, thousands of pages, literally, were previously made public over the years through court filings and cases, FOI uh FOIA demands.
So the question, of course, Sean becomes, you know, is there anything new or incriminating?
And I underscore that last word.
And as of phase one, we have not seen any of that as of today.
So I think that's important to point out, too.
Let me bring in David Schoen is also with us, uh, civil rights attorney.
And anyway, David advised this guy Epstein for a year, took over his entire criminal case, and uh he was killed nine days after Shown became the official lead counsel.
Wow.
What did you think of this guy?
I mean, they're they they're alleging here in this phase one drop, 254 victims, David.
Yeah, well, listen, what you both said uh for your preliminary remarks is vitally important.
That is, and you've always stressed this, Sean, the presumption of innocence and so on.
Remember, you know, he never got to have his day in court either.
Um, but a couple of aspects to all this stuff.
You know, we people refer to him as you know, chasing big money guys, celebrities and all that.
Believe me, do you think that do you think that's an inaccurate characterization?
No, I think it's accurate, and I think it went the other way just as much or more.
People Because he had money.
Right.
He had money and he had, you know, uh he had a private jet.
Yeah.
Private jet, and maybe he's you know, something to do with the women.
But you can what what's unseemly now, it seems to me, is all of these famous people, people who took a lot of money from him, telentopling and so on, wanted nothing to do with him, and they all minimize their relationship with him.
I mean, I can tell you, you know, a couple of anecdotes that uh um indicate his close relationship with these people who now say they barely knew him or something like that.
They were all good friends with him.
He wasn't chasing them, people like you know, Bill Gates um and others.
Uh I went when I went to uh to advise him on one occasion, he asked me to stay to meet with a lunch guest of his.
That lunch guest was Ahoud Barak, um, and they were in business together.
So he did business with a number of these people, and they you know he was a charming guy in many ways to many people, um different sort of guy.
But there are a lot of aspects to all of this, and also what really never has come out is the extortion that went on on the other end.
I can tell you that what happened was you know, he was uh calling me for a long time, a year or more before he died to review his lawyer's work.
He had a team of terrific lawyers, some of the best known lawyers in the country represented him.
Um, but he wasn't ha so happy with their work.
And then nine days before he died, he asked me to come to the MCC to meet with them and then hired me to take over his whole case.
I said, subject to meeting with the other lawyers.
Meanwhile, I'd put together my own team.
They say didn't want to work with me.
But um, but I can tell you that I got a letter during that period, for example, from a lawyer in New York who said his client uh was one of the victims of Jeffrey Epstein, and he described the uh house and so on, all of which was public record, and he said um he's gonna go to the press and so on, but if Mr. Epstein were to pay his client 25 million dollars, he would disappear.
Afterwards, I saw this guy on TV saying all his client ever wanted was her day in court, and it was so sad it wasn't about money.
So there's a lot more to this story than just you know, this guy was a really bad guy, and all of these things.
So when you read these prominent names that were released today, Ely uh Wizell and Naomi Campbell, Angie Dickison and Michael Michael Bloomberg and Alec Baldwin.
Yeah, I think you can't put enough emphasis on the fact that only means that they had a contact with him in some way, shape, manner, or form.
That's fair.
That's fair.
Absolutely fair and important and responsible to point out.
Um and and are you How do I ask this the right way?
Uh, because I've known you so long, and I know you're a man of great integrity.
I really do.
And I would vouch for that under oath.
Thank you.
And I guess you really can't answer this question.
I mean it seems when you have that much smoke, there's got to be a lot of fire.
And you had a lot of people there, and I'm very suspicious.
Um were you suspicious of him?
Well, first of all, I give every client the benefit of the doubt.
I will tell you this, without revealing anything privilege and so on.
He said to me that he's who would swear absolutely that he never had any young woman with him who was under the legal age of the jurisdiction where they were.
Um I I guess you know, uh you can say I'm a sucker, but I give every client the benefit of the doubt, and he said that, and he had no reason to lie to me.
He was telling me a lot of things since I was you know preparing to represent him in this case.
Um, you know, uh there's a lot as you know, as you've said, there are a lot of court cases out there, a lot of settlements that have been made.
After uh he died, I was hired temporarily to uh represent all of and all of the litigation was going on, his estate and so on, but that lasted about a week.
Um I think the original lawyers uh sort of I don't think wanted to be involved with the case, and uh some other folks too.
But look, you know, they do throw names around all the time.
You know, you can remember that people were saying, Oh, well, he had a relationship an association with Donald Trump.
I can tell you unequivocally that I don't know what these records are gonna say or imply.
There is nothing scandalous that he would have had to say about Donald Trump.
I can tell you that unequivocally, and I can uh you know, his public record that Donald Trump uh threw him out of the club, Mar Marlaga.
Donald Trump threw him out of the club, but he threw him out for a specific reason, how he was treating young women.
Yeah, yeah.
Is my understanding, if I'm wrong, correct me.
Greg, let's get your take on it.
Um I mean, they're claiming in this this phase one release today, they've identified two hundred and fifty-four victims.
And some of them are underage, according to Marsha Blackburn.
I I would call them alleged victims.
That is the only appropriate thing.
Um, you know, look, I in my own practice early in my career, I'm not sure.
I mean, I think that's prudent.
I agree with you.
What I saw, especially when it came to ultra-rich clients or semi-famous or famous people, all kinds of other individuals would come out of the woodwork when the story hit the press, claiming, oh gee whiz.
Uh, I'm a victim too, and then you know, sticking their hand out for money.
And, you know, what you often discover is that they're simply money garbers who are taking advantage of the situation and a vulnerable person and making stuff up.
You know, uh by virtue of his enormous wealth.
Epstein was very adept at mingling with prominent people, corporate world, the government, foreign governments, as David pointed out, Celebrities and royalty.
He was innately a very social person.
And some individuals had only a passing acquaintance with him.
Others were soliciting contributions or providing financial contributions for charities and NGOs and all kinds of causes.
Now, all of that is legitimate and should not be conflated with criminal wrongdoing.
So I think people need to be careful, and Sean, you've always been more careful than anyone I know in emphasizing the presumption of innocence in questioning as you did in the Duke Lacrosse case.
Um the accuser who ended up being a complete liar and recently admitted she lied.
Isn't that amazing?
I'll give you You know, you know, you know how I got that case right.
I I got my car and I drove to Garden City, Long Island, and I met with the families, and I knew exculpatory evidence was coming.
David, what'd you want to say?
You're a hundred percent right, and you'll always have been.
Um perfect example of what Greg says.
I'll give you a little anecdote.
Went to Epstein's ho Epstein's house once to meet with him about discussing the case.
So I told you ask me to stay with his lunch guest.
I said, we're here talking about a criminal case.
I don't think that's appropriate, whatever, but you know, he he was just a friendly guy and all that.
So I'm looking at a set of pictures by his dining room.
One of them is a picture of Bill Gates with a dollar bill in stuck inside the picture.
So I said, what's this all about?
Each picture had a story, a great story, actually.
He said, Well, I made a bet with Bill Gates, so what am I gonna bet Bill Gates?
I bet him a dollar.
Now, does it having a picture of Bill Gates and the dollar bill mean in any way that Bill Gates did anything unseemly?
Absolutely not.
It does mean though, they had they knew each other, and I would suggest they were friends.
How about Leslie Wexner?
You know, all of these people who were friends with him then deny any uh relationship or much of a relationship where they minimize it.
The guy, you know, was a charming guy to be around, different guy, math genius, that sort of thing.
But uh, you know, look, lawyers have made millions and millions off of the civil cases so far.
That became a cottage industry, and many young women have made millions of dollars.
If you believe they were victims, and that was justified.
If you don't, then you know you're everyone's entitled to his or her.
And then we have this whole question about his death, which we don't have time to get into.
But uh I would like justice to be served if there's victims here.
I really do.
I there's nothing that offends me more than abusing young girls like this.
It just it makes my blood boil the thought of it, and I hope we get to the bottom of it, we get to the truth, and then the American people will know this is a first step, but I just want to get to the bottom of it.
Anyway, we appreciate you both uh David Schoen, uh, Greg Jarrett, thank you, guys.
When we come back, Marsha Blackburn, who really is largely responsible for pushing the get the release of all of this, um, is uh gonna give us her insight into it, what she thinks of all of this.
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Uh gotta give a tip of the hat to Marsha Blackburn.
Uh a lot of things that will be released in the days, weeks, months ahead, including the RFK files and the JFK files and the MLK files and the rest of the Epstein files is because she has been fighting really hard to make that happen.
We'll get her take on the phase one release today and what it means and uh much, much more.
And we'll get to your calls coming up and the presser with the Prime Minister of Great Britain and Donald Trump.
Uh this was pretty spectacular and and pretty special.
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Uh we got to give a lot of props to our our Senate friend in Tennessee, Senator Marsha Blackburn.
Uh she has been demanding the release of these Epstein files.
We got uh basically the first release today, and there I assume there's going to be more.
Uh, and she's gone over it with a fine-tooth comb.
Uh, Senator, great to have you back.
Thank you for fighting for this.
Thank you for winning.
I think we have a right to know, like we have a right to know about the assassination of JFK, RFK, and MLK.
Yes, indeed.
You are right, Sean.
And this has been a fight that has gone on for years, and the FBI had and the Democrats at Senate Judiciary Committee have blocked the efforts that I've made to make things public.
And I've worked with A. G. Bondi and Director Patel, and the first group is out.
Uh, you will see that there are two hundred and fifty-four victims that are uh listed on these documents as masseuses, and of course, every bit of that is rejected.
These victims have suffered enough, and we do not want them to suffer more.
But we have learned some new things from this.
Uh we have known that there was a file that from the court case and the search of Epstein's home, but didn't know exactly what was what it could contain.
And uh in the documents released is some information around that.
It gives us more information of where to look.
There also are some law enforcement notes that are uh made public.
This helps us to know where to look, because this is not about celebrity, this is about breaking apart a global human trafficking, sex trafficking ring that Jeffrey Epstein was a a big part of.
And what we want to do is to get these puzzle pieces, put them together, make certain people are held to account that people that should be prosecuted are prosecuted.
When you say there's a roadmap about where to look and and law enforcement notes, very specifically, I'm trying to understand what that means.
In other words, uh the like we don't have the names of the people that accompanied Epstein either on the Lolita Express, as they called it, uh, or you know, this this crazy island that that he owned where a lot of this stuff took place as well, so according to reports.
And are do you believe it will lead eventually to the people that participated in these activities?
And when you talk about MasUS and 254 victims, are we talking about some of them being underage?
Oh, yes, absolutely.
But of course, their names have been redacted.
There were two minutes.
That would be horrible.
You can't do that.
Yeah.
Right.
You have to redact those names.
And they were forced to participate, and they were termed as MESEUCIS, but that's two hundred and fifty-four women and girls.
And there are some names that are on there that people will see listed.
Uh you've got Alec Baldwin, you've got Michael Bloomberg, you've got uh Flavio uh Brooks, what is it, Briator, uh Jean-Luc Brunel.
We z now Jean-Luc Brunel was the French sex trafficker, and we felt that he had a relationship with um Jeffrey Epstein, and Jean-Luc Brunell died in a French prison while he was awaiting trial.
Uh Naomi Campbell, Janice Dickinson, Ellie Weisell, the Duke of York and the Duchess of York.
Um you also have others that you're going to Wait a minute.
You said Naomi Campbell, the the model who else did you mention?
Yes.
Yes.
And so Angie Dickinson.
Now do we know that all of these people were involved in this?
No.
Or took in or that that they were just part of his world.
They were part of this world.
They were on the flight.
They were listed in the flight logs.
So they're listed in the flight logs because I think it's important to point out maybe they didn't know.
And I'm just trying to be fair, and I don't rush to judgment, and I have a history of being right because I don't rush to judgment, but just because Ely was out Eli Wazell or even Alec Baldwin, who I can't stand, or uh Mayor Bloomberg, uh just because they were on flights with the guy does not mean necessarily that they knew anything about it or per were partaking in any of that.
Is that a fair statement?
That is a very fair statement.
We know they need to be questioned, I would argue, right?
Well, what we would like to know is what did they know, what did they see, and help us to break apart what everyone now realizes was a global human trafficking, sex trafficking ring.
And the reason for getting this, all this information, as I said, is to break this apart.
This is about saving the lives of women and children who even today, Sean, they are being forced into human trafficking, sex trafficking.
We know that it is about a hundred and fifty billion dollar a year business.
This is modern day slavery.
And because we know these pieces, and we know the FBI conducted a raid at his house and now we know they took computers, they took laptops, they took phones.
Uh this helps us then to turn to the FBI, uh, the deep state, if you will, that has had tried to cover some of this information and say where are these components, uh who are the individuals that are in these pictures.
Um then also to get the video footage, which we have been told is housed at the FBI or with the FBI.
And this is getting all of this plus the IRS records, which I've also written for and requested, will show us who Jeffrey Epstein partnered with in breaking in uh building this human trafficking,
sex trafficking ring, so that we can hold these people to account so that we can break apart this human trafficking ring, and we can bring an end to this.
It was interesting that President Trump at one point, you know, realized who Jeffrey Epstein was and threw him out of Mar-a-Lago.
He was a club member.
And then he threw him out because of his behavior when he found out about it.
Um and I think that and has said repeatedly that he is a bad guy.
So he he obviously this guy you know was seeking fame and fortune by hanging out with famous people.
Um doesn't mean those people were involved in again the presumption of innocence, I think is very important.
I want I do want to caution people, but I do believe every name that that you mentioned could be valuable in terms of uh telling people uh law enforcement what they knew and when they knew it.
I I agree with you it was on that fact as well, now that it's made public.
That's right.
As I said, this is about breaking apart a global human and sex trafficking bring.
This is about justice for these women and children.
This is about putting an end to modern day slavery, which is what this human trafficking is.
And every piece of information we get, you know, Sean, it's like a puzzle.
You get one piece of information, so then you can look for the pieces that go around that.
And these individuals that are on the flight logs might have information.
They this may help them recall something that they had that happened or that they witnessed or saw, and they may and we would love for them to come forward and say, this is what I experienced and help us break this apart.
As I said, we need these puzzle pieces.
The FBI really thwarted our efforts for years to get this information.
And I've started working on this as the top Republican on the human rights subcommittee there at Senate Judiciary Committee.
What we need to know is who was in his orbit and what was their relationship and what would they have seen or witnessed that would help us in solving this problem.
We need to know who his financial contacts were, and that is the importance of the IRS records.
Let me ask you this.
Are you as concerned at uh I mean, so much went wrong when he died in prison?
I mean, he th th the the way they described his death, you know, that he hung himself from a bed that was low to the ground.
Um I'm not saying it's impossible because experts have said it's not impossible.
But the fact that the cameras that were supposed to be on him and the guards that were supposed to be checking on him regularly, all of that that whole system fell apart, which makes me very suspicious.
Are you as suspicious as I am?
I I think it is a a situation that makes all of us question exactly what happened and how you could have had so many fumbles in a very short period of time that resulted in someone losing their life while they were in federal custody.
The same we is what we see with the Brunell case in France, that he died in prison awaiting trial.
And as I said, we know human trafficking, sex trafficking is a 150 billion dollar a year business.
So this is something that causes us tremendous concern.
And A. G. Bondy and Cash Patel are working with me.
This was phase one.
We are moving forward to phase we hope there will be two, three, and four, a few more phases, until we can get to the bottom of this, and the American people can get the answers that they deserve.
It is so sick when I hear this.
I I I honestly I I want to throw up because I have a very hard time understanding, you know, the uh the systemic abuse of children.
And we've done many stories about this over the years and the the the child trafficking across our border that has taken place.
And I've spoken to border agents, they've they've done this work for 15 straight years, and they they say exactly what you're saying.
You have no idea it is on a on a level of magnitude that shocks the soul.
And that's what you're discovering and pushing for answers, and I think that you know, hopefully rightly this is phase one.
We'll get to the bottom of it.
Do you know when the rest is coming out?
We we're going to continue to work on it.
It's an ongoing project, and we will keep you posted.
All right.
Well, I uh probably this day wouldn't have come if not for the election of Donald Trump and for A. G. Pam Bondi, FBI Director Cash Patel, and you were working on this for years, and we got a tip our hat to you.
And we want to get to the bottom of it, get to the truth, get the answers.
And um and uh and I hope I hope we can save some of these kids in the end, too.
Uh thank you so much, Senator Marsha Blockburn.
All right, when we come back, I uh really phenomenal uh presser uh gaggle in in the Oval Office with the Prime Minister uh Keir Starmer of uh Great Britain, the Prime Minister of Great Britain was with President Trump today.
It was really fascinating, amazing, and I just think it's worth playing for everybody.
We're gonna come back, play that on the other side of the break.
We'll also get to calls 800-941 Sean.
Uh, and all of this we will have tonight on Hannity Nine Eastern on the Fox News channel, uh, including what we do know and what we just heard about the Epstein files.
Uh I want to reiterate that people are innocent until proven guilty, but however, if flight logs are showing people were around this guy and they have identified two hundred and fifty-four victims they believe to be victims, and you know, people were around him.
I would think that they want to cooperate.
And of course they're innocent until proven guilty.
Uh Ellie Weisell, Niom Naomi Campbell, Angie Dickinson.
Do I believe all these people necessarily were involved?
No, I do not.
Um, but whatever information they have about the time they spent with them, I think would be extremely valuable helping law enforcement get to the bottom of it, or Mayor Bloomberg or Alec Baldwin.
Nobody's accusing anybody here.
Everyone believes in the presumption of innocence, but they were hanging out with somebody that turns out to be a very, very bad human being, and that's a lot of young people.
Uh, and the systemic, you know, corruption involved in Epstein's life is just unbelievable.
He definitely seemed like he wanted to be around every star imaginable.
Uh why, I don't know.
Maybe to compromise them, I have no idea.
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