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More Musk - February 20th, Hour 2

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Steven, I don't think any of you.
Then why are you not celebrating these cuts?
If you agree there is waste, if you agree there is abuse, if you agree there is corruption, why are you not celebrating the cuts, the reforms that are being instituted?
What I'm doing here, what the president's doing, is it's just long-term thinking.
The ship of America must be strong.
The ship of America cannot sink.
If it sinks, we all sink with it.
Musk is going to go to Mars.
So he doesn't care what happens to the planet.
Freedom is back in style.
Welcome to the revolution.
Yeah, we have come in to your city.
Gonna play our guitars and sing you a contra song.
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By the way, thank you to everybody making this interview with President Trump and Elon Musk such a success.
It's like off-the-chart numbers when you start including, you know, we playing it on radio and on TV and on the podcast and on Hannity.com and Fox Nation and Fox itself.
It's just off the charts.
And I'm very grateful.
And I think it was important that the country see this in light of all of the vicious, vile, hateful attacks against somebody that's trying to expose waste, fraud, abuse, and corruption and doing it for free.
And while simultaneously doing incredible things to advance humanity.
But anyway, here is more of my interview with President Trump and Elon Musk from the White House.
As I scroll this information, and I'll scroll a lot more than I'll mention to both of you, and this is the cost savings.
I want people at home to understand this part.
Average America makes $66,000 a year.
Okay?
We have $37 trillion in national debt.
Now, all the money I'm about to mention and what we're going to scroll on our screen, and all of this is going to foreign countries.
It is not being spent here in America for better schools, law and order.
I think the average tax-paying American should be mad as hell because their tax money is being fairly spent.
All right, let me go to the next second question first.
I want to know, because people like Joni Ernst and Joni Erst has been trying to get for a long time, and she's actually got a lot of good data.
Senator Us has been really helpful, actually.
Okay, but they actually hide what the real purpose of the spending is.
In other words, this is a question.
How did you decipher?
It will say humanitarian blah, blah, blah in Serbia or Afghanistan.
We've even given money to China for crying out loud, which I think is nuts.
We'll give it money to the Taliban.
What money did they tell about?
Like a lot.
All right.
So, like, for what?
I want to see your pictures of what they did.
But they try to obscure it.
But then you got to the bottom line, which is what I'm now scrolling on the screen.
And that is $20 million on a Sesame Street show in Iraq, $56 million to boost tourism in Tunisia and Egypt, $40 million to build schools in Jordan, $11 million to tell the Vietnamese to stop burning trash, $45 million for DEI scholarships in Burma, $520 million for consultant-driven ESG investments in Africa, DEI programs in Serbia.
The president's favorite.
I'm sure you would love that taxpayer money was spent on a DEI musical in Ireland or a transgender opera in Colombia or a transgender economy.
It sounds like how can these things be real?
But this is actually what was done.
It sounds like a comedy sketch.
I have 20 pages.
Right.
It's not, it's listed a mile long.
If you had to put a number on it, how much do you think you've identified waste, fraud, abuse, corruption at this point?
And again, we're going to be scrolling this throughout the program.
Well, the overall goal is to try to get a trillion dollars out of the deficit.
And if the deficit is not brought under control, America will go bankrupt.
This is a very important thing for people to understand.
A country is no different from an individual in that if an individual overspends, an individual can go bankrupt, and so can a country.
And the massive waste, war, and abuse that has been going on, which is leading to a $2 trillion a year deficit.
That's what the president was handed on Jan 20, a $2 trillion deficit.
It's insane.
For this fiscal year.
True, true.
Yeah, we inherited.
And inflation is back.
I'm only here for two and a half weeks.
That was January.
Inflation is back.
Now, think of it.
Inflation's back.
And they said, oh, Trump and Flat.
I had nothing to do with it.
These people have run the country.
They spent money like nobody's ever spent.
They were given $9 trillion to throw out the window.
$9 trillion.
And they spent it on the Green News scam, I call it.
It's the greatest scam in the history of the country.
One of them.
We have a lot of them, I guess, but one of them.
Dollar-wise, probably and woke-ism and transgender.
Well, that's all part of it, yeah.
And LGBTQ.
By the way, not in America, other countries, not here.
You know, the amazing thing is when you see the teaching of DEI, $9 million.
How do you spend $9 million to teach?
No matter what it is, you could teach.
You could go to MIT for $100.
It looks like expensive.
The teaching of DEI.
How much do you believe, Elon, you've identified in waste, fraud, abuse, corruption now?
And how much do you anticipate you will?
Sure.
Well, I think.
1%.
No, because it's so massive.
This is huge money.
So what we found now is 1%.
As good as they are, they're not going to find some contract that was crooked as hell.
I mean, there's going to be so much that isn't fat.
But what is fed, I think he's going to find a trillion dollars.
Yeah, I think so.
But I think it's a very small percentage compared to what it is.
Let me go to an area that I think is key.
And you talked about this in recent interviews, and that is we don't need a Department of Education.
Okay.
And what some people are trying to do is stoke fears that, oh my gosh, my kid's not going to get the money for education.
Or grandma's Social Security and Medicare.
This was a big promise of yours on the campaign trail.
So I really want to give you both an opportunity to assure the American people you will keep, money will be allocated for students, but with higher standards, for example, I would assume associated with monies given or not.
And then Elon goes, but look, Social Security won't be touched.
Other than this fraud or something, we're going to find it's going to be strengthened, but won't be touched.
Medicare, Medicaid.
None of that stuff is going to be touched.
Nothing is.
You don't have to.
Now, if there are illegal migrants in the system, we're going to get them out of the system and all of that fraud.
But it's not going to be touched.
School.
I want to bring school back to the states so that Iowa, Indiana, all these places, Idaho, New Hampshire.
There's so many places, the states, I figured 35 really run well.
And right now, it's Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, China, China, can you imagine, has top schools.
We're last.
So they have a list of 40 countries.
We're number 40.
Usually we're 38, 30, and then the last time we were number 40.
And what I say is you've got to give it back.
So it doesn't work.
I'll tell you what we're number one in, cost per pupil.
We spend more money than any other country by far.
It's not even close per pupil.
Okay.
So we know it doesn't work.
So we spend the most and we have the worst, right?
The worst result.
When we give that, when we give that back to Indiana, when we give that back to Iowa and back to a lot of the states that run well, they run well.
A lot of them.
35, 37, 38.
Now, you're going to have 10 laggards, but you're going to have five real laggards.
But that's going to be okay.
Take New York.
You give it to Westchester County.
You give it to Suffolk County.
You give it to upstate New York.
And you give it to Manhattan.
But you give it to four or five subsections.
Same thing in California.
Los Angeles is going to be a problem, but you're going to give it to places that run well.
We can change education.
Now, school choice is important, but that will get taken care of automatically.
We want to bring education back to the states.
You will spend half the numbers.
And I'm not even doing this.
I'm not even doing this to save, but you will save.
It costs you much less money.
You get a much better education.
If you go to some of these states, you'll be the equivalent of Norway, Sweden, Denmark, places that really have a good school system.
Those places will be the equivalent.
And your overall numbers will get so much better.
You want standards associated.
The only thing I want to do from Washington, D.C., is make sure they're teaching English, reading, writing, math, science, science might help.
Computers.
You're not going to have much of a problem with that, but that's it.
So your task now, and I pray to God this is successful.
I really do.
I wish you Godspeed.
Godspeed, John Glenn.
It's going to be, by the way.
I really believe it.
But there are countries in this area.
This is cutting.
We're only talking about cutting.
We're also going to make a lot of money.
We're taking in so much money.
What about his business?
What if there is a contract he would otherwise do?
He's got a conflict.
I mean, look, he's in certain areas.
I mean, I see this morning, I didn't know, but I said, do the right thing, where they're cutting way back on the electric vehicle subsidies.
They're cutting back.
You're losing.
Not only cutting back.
Vert you, correct.
Yeah.
Now, I wouldn't tell you.
Well, he's probably not that happy with it, but that would have been one thing he would have come to me and said, listen, you've got to do me a favor.
This is crazy.
But this was in the tax bill.
They're cutting back on the subsidies.
I wasn't involved in it.
I said, do what's right, and you get, and they're coming up with a text, but it's just preliminary.
But, I mean, if he were involved, wouldn't you think he'd probably do that?
Now, maybe he does better if you cut back on the subsidies.
Who knows?
Because he figures, he does think differently.
He thinks he has a better product.
And as long as he has a level playing field, he doesn't care what you do.
He's told me that.
I mean, I haven't asked the president for anything ever.
And if it comes up, how will you handle it?
Well, he won't be involved.
Yeah, I'll recuse myself if it is.
If there's a conflict, he won't be involved.
I mean, I wouldn't want that, and he won't want it.
Right.
And obviously, I'm getting a sort of a daily proctology exam here.
You know, it's not like I'm going to be getting away from something in the dead of night.
Welcome to D.C. If you want a friend, get a dog.
Well, I do have a dog, but I also have friends.
My dog loves me.
Poor little creature.
You know the truth with this?
Hey, bring it to D.C.
I know every businessman.
I know the good ones, the bad ones, the smart ones, the lucky ones.
I know him.
This guy's a very, he's a brilliant guy.
He's a great guy.
He's got tremendous imagination and scientific imagination.
Far beyond, you know, you keep talking about a technologist and all, but you're much more than a technologist.
You are that.
But he's also a good person.
He's a very good person, and he wants to see the country do well.
And I know a lot of great business people, really great business people, but you know, they're not really, in some cases, very good people.
And I know people that would try and take advantage of the situation.
This guy's somebody that really cares for the country.
And I saw that very early on.
I saw really a long time ago when I got to know him.
He's a very different kind of a character.
That's why, you know who loves him?
Young people that are very smart and that love the country.
So people ask me, like, what's your biggest surprise in D.C.?
And I'm like, the sheer scale.
It's massive.
So you would love the challenge.
Well, I mean, to the president's point.
That's the only thing you can say.
He'll never do it.
I mean, you do something slightly better and you save billions of dollars for the American taxpayer.
Just slightly better.
When you say tax support, you get 1% better, and it's like tens of billions of dollars saved for the American taxpayer.
Now, if I may address the point that the question you asked earlier, which is, how do we assure people?
They want to know.
Yeah, how do we assure people that we're going to do the right thing, that their Social Security benefits will be there, that the medical care will be good.
And in fact, how do we make it ensure that there's better medical care in the future?
How do we improve their benefits?
How do we make sure that their Social Security check goes further than it did in the past and not it doesn't get weakened by inflation?
So if we address the massive deficit spending, the waste in the government, then we can actually address inflation.
So provided the economy grows faster than the money supply, which means you stop the government overspending and the waste and the output of real useful goods and services exceeds the increase in the money supply, you have no inflation.
And you also drop the interest payments that people pay.
Because if the government is too high.
Yes, the reason the interest payments are so high is because the national debt keeps increasing.
So the government is competing to sell debt with the private citizens.
This drives up the interest rate.
So if you cut back on the deficit, you actually have an amazing situation for people because you get rid of inflation and you drop the interest rates.
And that means people's mortgage payments go down, their credit card payments go down, their car payments go down, their student loans go down, everything, their life becomes more affordable and their standard of living improves.
How quickly, because I think people are suffering now.
You were still living under the biofuel.
John, you have states right now.
You have some states that operate that way.
They operate as well as any corporation.
They really operate well.
Yeah.
They have surpluses.
Texas surplus, for example.
When they look at New York and California and some of these places that should have an advantage, I mean, there's a big advantage.
Or Pritzker does such a bad job in Illinois.
It's horrible how bad he is.
And they don't have that advantage.
You know, New York has stock exchange and lots of things, and California has the weather and the beautiful.
It's great weather.
The most expensive weather on earth.
Yeah, but I like Florida.
But some states operate the way he's talking about it.
Efficiently.
When you go into some of these states, you're going to find very little.
You're going to find almost nothing.
They really operate well.
Big surpluses, low taxes.
Well, my taxes went up the first time you were president because you took away the salt deduction.
Well, I did.
Which, by the way, I thought was the right decision.
It was the right decision.
In fact, Reagan tried to do it because it rewards badly run states.
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How quickly can you balance the budget?
And when do we start paying down that?
Potentially, very quickly, between what he's doing and with income coming in from tariffs and other things.
I mean, I hope we can do it.
I don't want to give a date because then these people are going to say, oh, well, he didn't make the date.
But I think we could do it very quickly.
We would have never done it if this didn't happen.
Never.
It would have never been, it would only get worse and worse, and ultimately it would have exploded.
This country was headed down a very bad track.
And the whole DEI thing, that was a trap.
That was a sick trap.
And you know, we've destroyed that.
That's gone.
That's pretty much gone.
I agree.
We're not funding it.
I really want to emphasize to people that this is a very important point.
If we don't solve the deficit, there won't be money for medical care.
There won't be money for Social Security.
We either solve the deficit or all we'll be doing is paying debt.
Nobody's.
So it's got to be solved, or there's no medical care, there's no total security, there's no nothing.
It's got to be solved.
It's not optional.
America will go bankrupt if this is not done.
That's why I'm here.
The President of Europe takes advantage of this.
I'll also just send a message to, like, because, as the President said, like, there's a lot of rich people out there.
They should be caring more about the country.
Because the reason they should be caring more about the country is if America falls, what do you think is going to happen to your business?
What do you think?
Do you think we're going to be okay if the ship of America sinks?
Of course not.
Like, what I'm doing here, what the president's doing, is it's just long-term thinking.
The ship of America must be strong.
The ship of America cannot sink.
If it sinks, we all sink with it.
This is what drives you.
Yes.
This is important.
It says tech support.
So you're not trying to be president, as the media suggests.
You are really here because your heart and your passion is this.
And the president described you as being, this is the biggest thing you've ever done.
Now you're trying to bring cypress.
There could be nothing bigger.
You're sending ships up to Mars, you know, spaceships up in the sky all the time and saving astronauts.
That's pretty big.
That's peanuts compared to peanuts.
Do you agree with that?
Well, it's essential that America be healthy, that America's economy be strong.
And if that, basically, like my concern is like, if America is the central pillar holding up Western civilization, that pillar must be strong.
If that pillar falls, the whole roof comes crashing down.
Including his ships.
There's no place to hide.
Including his ships.
There's no place to run.
Nothing.
There's nothing left.
Why, if this is your goal, your motivation, you're losing money in the process.
You do all these nice things for people for free.
You're trying to solve blindness.
You're going to rescue astronauts.
You help the people in North Carolina, California.
You're cutting money that was sent abroad that's not helping the American people.
Then why the rage?
It was not a lot of people and hurting people overseas, to be clear.
Why this rage against you now?
First, they hated him, now they hate both of you.
Well, I think we're seeing an antibody reaction from those who are receiving the wasteful and fraudulent money.
They're being exposed.
Yes.
Nobody wants to be exposed.
I'll tell you a lesson I learned at PayPal.
You know who complained the loudest, the quickest and the loudest, and with the most amount of righteous indignation?
The fraudsters.
That's who complained first, loudest, and they would generally have this immense overreaction.
That's how we knew there were the fraudsters.
That's how we knew.
To tell.
I've never met you before today.
And it's nice to meet you, by the way.
Dan, thank you for doing this.
You guys are really friends.
I could see you kicking up your shit.
Well, he doesn't do this kind of thing.
And the way I figured that you'd get to know him is if I did it with him.
I said, come on, let's do it together.
He doesn't do this.
I think he's smart in not doing it overall because, you know, I mean, he's done very well without doing it.
But he doesn't feel it's really worthwhile.
He wants the product to speak for itself or whatever he does speak for itself, but he views it as, you know, does it matter?
And I'm doing this with you today because I wanted to have people understand him.
And I think it's very important.
I disagree with him.
I think it's very important that they do understand him.
He doesn't need this.
He doesn't need it.
Now, I happen to think it's made him very popular.
I think he's more popular now because there are so many people.
You know, you're talking about the radical left.
They have the lowest ratings.
MS, NBC is dying.
CNN is dying.
They're all dying.
The New York Times is doing lousy.
The Washington Post is doing horribly.
They're all doing badly because people don't buy it anymore.
But I think it was important that he do this one interview.
You've been a very fair guy.
I think you were the right guy to do it.
If we could get some radical left guy, and he'd do just as well, frankly, because it's all about common sense.
But this is unconstitutional.
John, to me, this was important for people to understand.
He's doing a big job.
He's doing a very thankless job.
It's really a thankless job.
But he's helping us to save our country.
Our country was in serious trouble.
And I had to get the best guy, somebody with credibility, because if he were just a regular, good, very good, solid businessman, he wouldn't have the credibility.
He's got the best credibility for this.
And people also know he's an honest guy.
He's an honest guy.
He's just a very, very smart guy who's done amazing things.
And this will be the biggest thing he's ever done.
Because, you know, his companies are all great.
But if this country goes bad, I guess where he is a little selfish is this.
He knows one thing and probably doesn't think.
But if this country goes bad, his stuff is not going to be worth very much, I can tell you.
Like to say, if the ship of America sinks, we're all about going down with it.
You know, this idea that people can escape to New Zealand or some other place is false.
If the central pillar of Western civilization, that is, America, falls, the whole roof comes crashing down and there is no escape.
Do you anticipate you'll be here four years?
My last question.
I'll be as helpful as long as I can be helpful.
That's a good question.
I mean, I was thinking about that just now, and I wonder how long he's going to be doing it.
You can't get somebody like this.
He cares, and he's brilliant, and he's got energy.
You need energy also, in addition to those other things.
You know, I have a lot of guys that are very smart, but they have no energy.
They want to sleep all day long.
You need a lot of energy.
He's got a lot of energy.
He's doing a great job.
If there's any conflict, he will stop it.
But if he didn't, I'd stop it.
I'd see if there's a conflict.
I mean, we're talking about big stuff.
But he's under a pretty big microscope.
I mean, everybody's watching him.
If there's a conflict, you're going to be reading about it within about two minutes after the conflict.
Exactly.
The possibility of me getting away with something is 0%.
0.0.
I've scrutinized to a ridiculous degree.
And the other thing is that we're, you know, you know what's better than saying trust me?
It's just full transparency.
So what we're doing with the Doge, Doge.
Just go to Doge.gov.
You can see every single action that's being taken.
And I want to be clear, we're all going to make some mistakes.
We're not going to be perfect.
Nobody bats 1,000.
But we're going to fix the mistakes very quickly.
That's what matters.
Not that you don't make mistakes, but they fix the mistakes very fast.
All right.
Anyway, if you want the full interview unedited, uninterrupted, you can get it on Hannity.com.
We got it up on X. We've got it on FoxNation.com.
We're putting it everywhere.
And thank all of you.
It was such a great experience.
I will tell you that.
I just hate what they're doing to a guy that is volunteering and foregoing lots of money and taking abuse for it.
And all he's trying to do is help us help the country.
It's just so disgusting.
All right, quick break, right back.
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Did you ever wonder how it's possible that we pay more per capita per student than any other industrialized country with the worst results?
This came up in my interview with Elon Musk and President Trump and his desire to, you know, change how we do education in this country and block granting or vouchers or all the different ways, innovative ideas to better spend money on our kids in school.
And anyway, it's going to happen, but it is another national travesty.
This unholy alliance between teachers, unions, and Democrats has to be broken.
When we come back on the other side, we're going to debate that.
We'll also get more of your calls in 800-941-SHAWN as we roll along.
You do not want to miss it.
And stay tuned for the final hour free-for-all on the Sean Hannity Show.
Let's go to our busy phones, 800-941-SEAN, at the top of the hour.
How do we fix America's broken educational system?
Now that Donald Trump says the Department of Education needs to go as soon as possible.
Joni in Long Island, New York, my former hometown.
How are you, Joni?
What's going on?
John, how are you?
Where in Long Island are you?
Where are you?
Massapequa.
Oh, my gosh.
I have so many friends from Massapequa.
What's on your mind today?
Glad you called.
I do miss friends in Long Island, and I love my friends.
They're all saying the same thing, though.
They're getting the hell out.
I don't blame you.
I don't blame you.
Although, Bruce Blakeman's doing a good job.
You're in Nassau County, right?
Nassau County.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's doing a great job.
He is.
I'm happy, but still things I wish were better.
But, you know.
Great show with Elon and Trump.
Fantastic.
Thank you.
But I'm actually calling for a favor.
What do you need?
Your pen.
All right.
Linda put you up to this.
Don't lie.
Linda put you up to this because I click it a lot.
No, I watch you faithfully every night.
And I'm like, oh my God, if I can go there and rip that pen out of his hand, I would myself.
So she goes, you could actually tell me.
All right.
I will try and take your request.
But I do know.
You see, Sean, nobody knew that you had a co-host named Ballpoint.
And we just all want you to retire him.
You know, we had enough of Combs.
We had an awful lot of people.
I know, Linda.
I know you put her up to this.
I definitely did not put her up to this.
Let me tell you something.
She's a strong woman.
She doesn't need me.
Got it.
But it is now, Sean, to be honest with you.
It's like when I watch and you have an interview and someone else is talking, I'm actually hear the click and I'm like, I get anxious when I rip the pen out of your hand.
Well, I'll tell you what.
You know, the last thing I want to do is irritate my audience.
Irritating Linda is a whole different ballgame.
I like irritating her.
Why don't you tell her what we gave you as a gift when we were there for the inauguration?
Well, I don't have it.
I don't know where it is, but I'm going to get a non-clicky pen.
I don't even know I'm doing it, to be very honest with you.
I know that.
I know you don't.
And I don't know if it's a nervous habit.
It's just a security.
You have the pen in your hand, which is fine.
Just change the pen.
Don't get a clicker.
All right.
Linda's going to send me.
What a novel idea.
Hi, Sean.
Linda is going to send me 100 non-clicky pens.
And when you see it, and if you can get a decent color this time instead of the disgusting pinky, oh, you didn't like lavender?
I thought lavender was a color.
Lavender is not my color.
No, no.
All right, I will stop.
But I hope you liked the interview in spite of that.
It was fantastic.
And it's not just, I really didn't hear it during that interview, but it's on a regular basis on the show.
But awesome, awesome interview.
And I hope a lot of people who were on the fence and weren't sure that they watched it because it was very educational and just to see that I really truly feel they are there for us.
And I never had that feeling before from anyone, any political figure.
So I loved it.
They are supposed to be public servants, right?
They're supposed to serve us.
And what Doge has exposed, I keep saying, it shocks the conscience.
Every American should be angry and frustrated.
And really, it's just at a level that we never thought would happen.
But Joni, Long Island, and I'm not making fun of you because I grew up there, but God bless you.
And yes, Linda will send me 100 non-clicky pens.
And I'm sure you will lose 99 of them just by accident.
Well, then you can get me another 100, but I will throw out all the clicky ones in your honor, only because you asked.
Although I think you will put up to it.
But that's a different story.
Thank you, Joni.
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