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Continues as they dug up another one point nine billion dollars in taxpayer money misplaced, quote, by the Biden.
How do you misplace 1.9 billion?
You know, how is it we're now, you know, about where we're facing what is a massive, massive debt in this country.
And you know, the idea that somehow Donald Trump saying, okay, this has got to stop.
The American taxpayers were deceived.
They did not they did not spell out where this money was being spent or how it was being spent or how radical, you know, this money abroad was and as a result, uh, as the American people get more and more aware of it, they're just getting sick and tired of it.
Um, most Democrats remain in freakout mode, and they will forever stay there, probably throughout the entire Trump presidency.
Lee Zeldon announced the $50 million environmental justice contract that he had to cancel for the Palestinians.
And Republicans, by the way, are unleashing something that was first put in place uh uh by Thomas Jefferson himself, uh, which is at the impoundment clause, which is the practice of declining to spend funds provided by Congress, and I think they will be successful in that effort, you know, considering our founders, framers, uh, were very clear about their belief in limited government greater freedom.
But the the bottom line freak out continues, uh, although there are a couple of Democrats, interestingly, that you know, we saw the the Obama guys in their little podcast, Pod Save America, whatever it is, saying, you know, what didn't we think of this idea?
No, you have some some Democrats now admitting, oh, Doge is a good idea.
Well, good.
Maybe they'll maybe they'll put their money where their mouth is and their votes where their mouth is.
Let's listen.
And I think we're missing the vote as Democrats.
And all I'm saying is that sometimes it's better to join them and actually play a role in how the strategy works rather than so pathetically, frankly, try to combat something that clearly is a steamroller, and Democrats are being steamrolled.
And I'm deeply concerned about that.
Yes, Musk is not elected.
He has no accountability other than Donald Trump, and that's a frightening combination.
Okay, and then we had the the people you know very well, they'll be very clear and up front, you're not one of some responsible conservative Republican was gonna save us from this.
Yeah.
Well, they didn't come.
They're not there.
Okay.
Let's just get over it.
They're not coming, the cavalry's not coming, the courts are not coming, they nothing.
And where do we pick our fights?
We all know the government can be inefficient.
We all know that the bureaucracy can be bloated.
We all worked in the fing White House.
We tried to reorganize the government, we tried to find efficiency.
It's hard to do.
And honestly, some of this is pretty annoying because it's some of the stuff we should have done right now.
Yeah, you could do some of this.
You're like, I can dig these doja cats.
Oh, pretty interesting, their reaction to this.
Uh, we're gonna be joined in a minute by Hans von uh Spokovsky and Roger Severino, but uh Hans in an article said like spoiled children finally being told no by their parents, bureaucrats, beneficiaries of wasteful government largesse are howling at the shock waves that the Department of Government efficiency is now sending through Washington.
MBC called it an unprecedented effort to shrink the federal workforce and slash programs.
Well, not exactly, you know, and and the second part of this story, the untold part of the story is, you know, why were it you know why weren't the inspectors' generals doing their job, which you know they're now removed.
How did how do we have a GAO report, I believe, that came out what that showed 236 billion taxpayer dollars wasted last year alone by the Biden administration?
You know, at what point does it become a a financial national emergency to examine every line item in every single bill so that this waste, fraud, abuse, and I'm sure corruption associated with it when we get to the bottom line is is being squandered while the average American toils away making sixty-six thousand dollars a year.
At some point, we've got to admit this is just utter madness and insanity, and it's unsustainable.
And yet you're gonna you're gonna get to the point, you know, where debt to GDP ratio is going to be so high, it's gonna be higher than at any point during World War II.
And that becomes an unsustainable economy.
That is not an economy where any country can flourish.
And we've seen this happen abroad.
Roger Severino, vice president, domestic policy, heritage foundation, and also Hans von Spokovski is with us, and uh he, of course, has this article is the managing election law reform initiative and senior legal fellow at the Ed Me Center for Legal and Judicial Studies.
Guys, good to have you both.
Hans, I read your article.
I thought it was extraordinarily well done, and that's exactly what's happening.
They are they're acting like spoiled children that have finally been said you know, told no.
But I I think a bigger story that will unfold over time is that the degree to which they hid this from congressional oversight and from inspectors generals.
Well, that is absolutely true.
And uh the fact that they're getting so upset is because it's being exposed.
And look, uh, you know, most people, this is the public uh particularly, we believe in transparency.
But they are very upset uh uh that all this bizarre, crazy.
In fact, dangerous spending is coming to light.
Uh you know, the biggest thing about this, Sean, is and they keep saying it's unprecedented.
It's not unprecedented.
Isa Dwight Eisenhower, when he got elected, he came in uh and said, Boy, uh this government is wasteful, it's inefficient, and you know, he actually formed a committee.
His committee was called the Committee on Government Organization.
It was composed of his brother and a very rich, successful business guy named Nelson Rockefeller.
Does all this sound familiar?
It sounds familiar, and and I can give you another attempt to limit the size scope influence of government, and unfortunately, Congress didn't do a thing to act on any any of the recommendations of the famous Grace Commission during the Reagan years.
These were the best brightest business minds in the country, and they were tasked with with trying to come up with ways to make the government more efficient.
And Roger, uh the Congress adopted none of them and and Reagan's you know hands were tied at the time, and Trump says his hands are not gonna be tied at the end of the day.
This is not gonna be something that is gonna fly with the American people.
Once the American people understand the magnitude of fraud, waste abuse, and corruption, it it's gonna be a 90-10 issue.
I don't even think their own party in the end will support it in spite of all the hysteria, the singing, you know, the screaming, uh, and you know, ranting and raving, I don't think it's gonna work.
Well, Elon Musk, he actually tweeted that Al Gore was the one who spearheaded reinventing government, and all these clips of him saying we're gonna end waste fraud and abuse over and over again.
Well, Doge is actually doing it for once, actually doing it.
And it reminds me of COVID, when all the kids had to do remote learning and the parents finally figured out this is the drivel that my kids are being exposed to, and that's what's happening now.
Now we're finally discovering where all this money went.
If we were spending, you know, a billion dollars for DEI all across the world um using USAID funds, or we're funding immigrants in hotels in downtown Manhattan to the tune of 80 million dollars that is now being caught back.
The people are saying, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is not what we signed up for.
Where's my hotel?
Where's my free food?
You know, we're struggling here.
We have inflation for the last you know, five years.
Um, what about us?
Why are we wasting all this money without accountability?
And actually, finally, there's some accountability.
Those DHS deep staters who authorized that funding for the hotels for migrants, contrary to the president's orders, are now fired.
That would have never happened before Trump and before Elon Musk.
And you know, Hans, if if you go back, remember we had a group in Washington that was somewhat influential, citizens against government waste, and they would find examples, egregious examples of government mis spending.
Nothing on the scale of what we're looking at here.
I mean, this this is, you know, human growth or hormones, steroids, maximum doses, and you know, I remember reading 109,000 dollars to studying the the mating habits of the Japanese quail.
And you know, is and I I won't spend the time to go through the the massive list of what they have discovered so far, but the magnitude of this is you're talking about at the end of the day, this is going to be hundreds of billions of dollars.
And in my interview with Elon Musk, he thinks it'll go over a trillion dollars.
Oh, I agree.
And look, the the problem in the past was that even when that kind of thing was discovered, nothing was done about it.
And here we actually have an administration and we have heads of of major cabinet departments who are doing something about it.
I mean, the the new head of the Department of Agriculture has already canceled 200 million dollars in bizarre spending on outside uh contracts of of all kind.
We've got USAID being shut down, which has been spending huge amounts of money on ridiculous projects.
So they're actually trying to do something about it.
And that also, that is that has not been done before.
Well, it's not been done before, and and to this extent.
I mean, as you go agency by agency by agency, and and I think part of uh look, you the mainstream media is just screaming and yelling about it.
And the question I have is where have they been?
I mean, they all claim to be journalists, they all claim, you know, to be at the top of their profession.
I argue that legacy media is dead.
Why why didn't they ever discover this, Roger?
Why didn't they ask questions?
How how was the Biden administration, you know, so so successful of in t in terms of their ability to ignore congressional oversight, which is, you know, their constitutional function, and when the likes of Joni Ernst and and the House uh oversight committee and and other uh different committees were looking into the how the monies were actually spent,
you know, all they did is stymied them, stonewall them, and then give them broad interpretations of how the money's being spent without any of the specificity that we now knew existed the whole time.
Yeah, so why doesn't the media report on it?
Well, because they're in on it too.
We've discovered that political was getting millions of dollars in these subscriptions beyond the regular um this is a political pro.
Hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars.
So the media was in on it too.
They're being funded by the federal government.
So this is the shocking thing that's being discovered.
Um, why is it that the media is getting you know grants or any sort of funding from the federal government?
So they weren't being subsidized that we could confirm that this is all subscription money.
These were subscriptions.
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Let me play Al Gore in 1993, which you you mentioned.
I mean, it is funny, you know.
This is how far the Democratic Party has come, or how low they've sunk.
This report tells us how to cut waste, cut red tape, streamline the bureaucracy, change procurement rule, change the personnel rules, and create a government that works better and costs less.
I've read it, and where it says the president should, the president will.
Oh, that sounds an awful lot like Donald Trump and and Elon Musk, doesn't it, Roger?
Yeah, it does.
So why is it that we're spending 70,000 for a DI musical in Ireland, 47,000 for a transgender opera in Colombia, 1.5 million for DEI in Serbia's workplaces, right?
These sorts of things should never have happened.
And somebody was asleep at the wheel, and too many people were benefiting from it.
The deep state was hiding it.
This is all coming to an end finally.
But here's one thing that has to be reported on more.
If judges let it.
So lawfare against Trump failed.
Now they're trying to stop law uh Trump's agenda through law first.
So now all these injunctions trying to prevent Trump from blocking the funds, trying to prevent Trump from executing on his executive orders.
But this is 101 right out of the Democratic Liberal Democratic playbook, which is what they can't get accomplished at the ballot box, what they can't get done legislatively, they go to the courts and they they they hope they find liberal activist judges that will help at at a minimum delay the process of a duly elected president uh fulfilling his promises, right?
Yeah, that's right.
These federal judges are now becoming essentially federal employees because they are micromanaging individual grants.
They are micromanaging what's being put on a website.
So they were ordered to restore CDC websites um pages on how to treat certain diseases, even though it had the gender ideology from the Biden era um department, right?
Who who is running the department?
Who's running CDC?
Who's running HHS?
A federal judge or the president and his appointees.
It looks like the federal judge is in charge of it.
So they have this odd thing where you have disclaimers that the that the Trump administration is putting on a website that's being forced to be put on by a judge.
They put a disclaimer saying, Don't believe any of it, because it's full of gender ideology.
Who's running the show here?
Hans, you get the last word.
Well, that is a real problem, and I'm hopeful that the uh U.S. Supreme Court is going to step in and stop the kind of abuse of the judicial system we see going on, which is where we have individual federal judges thinking they have more power than the president of the United States.
Yeah, the duly elected president of the United States, who even CBS respondents say he's just fulfilling his campaign promises, which they voted for.
Uh, anyway, we appreciate it, Roger.
Uh, thank you.
Hans, thank you.
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Um, you know, it was interesting.
I saw Hakeem Jeffries on with uh Jonathan Carl at ABC News, and you know, just to watch the Democrats and the left, they they are rudderless at this point.
Let's listen in.
Is there anything you are seeing that that Trump is doing uh that you uh are in favor of that you think is the right thing?
Let me say as it relates uh to all of those issues, we're just at the beginning, and the core promise uh that Donald Trump made is that he's gonna lower costs for everyday Americans.
In fact, we were told that grocery prices would go down on day one on January twentieth.
Costs aren't lower.
In fact, costs are increasing.
The price of eggs is skyrocketing out of control.
Inflation is on the way up.
That was the core promise that's been broken.
With respect to immigration, listen, we have to secure the border.
We have a broken immigration system, and we need to fix it in a comprehensive and bipartisan way.
Oh, acknowledging that the economy was crap.
Well, that's progress, and then blaming, you know, oh, we got to secure our borders, but for four years we were told the borders is secure and the borders closed, and they just lied on on both fronts.
Even though Donald Trump still is under the Biden Harris economy and won't be for a certain period of time.
Now, what Carl was asking is he was pointing out the Marquette poll.
63% favor the federal government's recognition of only two sexes.
60% favor deporting immigrants that entered this country illegally.
60% favor expanding oil and gas production.
59% favor declaring an emergency at the southern border.
And he didn't answer the question.
Is there anything that you can think of that Donald Trump is doing that you are in favor of?
Because there is no answer to this.
Now, the Democrats have spent an extra 325 hours in the U.S. Senate and they have burned, you know, delaying votes on Donald Trump's nominees.
They're still getting through at a record pace.
We found out that Jack Smith disclosed in his...
I guess his final disclosure form just in the weeks before he stepped down.
And anyway, he apparently retained an outside counsel from Peter Koske and Covington and Burling, which is the biggest law firm in Washington, D.C. And in his final public disclosure report, uh apparently included uh a section where he accepted 140,000 worth of free legal services.
Oh, imagine if a Republican did this.
Probably the most interesting comment came from Lindy Lee, who is a well-known fundraiser who raised money for the Democratic 2024 presidential campaign, announced she's leaving her or exit from the party in December after being ostracized for criticizing, you know, then former presidential nominee, Vice President Kamala Harris.
And he said Democratic donors absolutely, without a single exception, they are so angry and upset with the state of the Democratic Party.
They think this party is in complete shambles.
She's not wrong.
And I don't know how they're going to get out of the wilderness, she added, adding that the party has been hijacked by woke ideology.
It is their religion.
It is their God.
Woke is their God.
This trans woke insanity, they are enthralled by it.
And companies are running as fast as they can from this toxic agenda.
Yet the Democratic Party's doubling down on it.
Just like they're doubling down on spending, you know, reckless amounts of billions of dollars to advance woke and transgenderism and the radical Green New Deal and LGBTQ issues abroad.
It's not even in this country.
And, you know, Carville's out there trying to flail away a little bit.
And, you know, he's saying Elon Musk is pouring gasoline and dropping lit matches across the federal government.
Voters don't want their elected representatives acting like deer in the headlights.
Well, if he goes back to his buddy Clinton and Al Gore, they sound an awful lot like Donald Trump today, as we played in the last half hour.
Anyway, so watching them, you know, one Democrat even on fake news CNN is we we talked about it on this program before.
I I became a Democrat because I wanted to fight NAFTA, meaning untrade fair uh unfair trade practices.
I wanted to drain the swamp.
I wanted to make sure my tax dollars weren't going to foreign wars or wasted.
That sounds like Donald Trump today.
One of our good friends, actually, Victor Davis Hansen writes, Democrats seem stuck in a cycle of rage and resistance.
Yeah, that that's that's exact that's who they are.
This is now going to be four years.
There's no more stages to go through of grief.
First was the denial stage, and then they put their head in the sand stage and then the depression stage, and now they're back to the rage stage, which is where they usually are.
It's and and they will try and they will be resistant, and then they'll go for their impeachment if they ever get power back.
Even post-presidency.
I could see that.
All right, let's get to our phones.
Dan California, the United Socialist Utopia.
What's up, Dan the Man?
How are you?
Hey, Sean, how's it going?
Good afternoon.
Good afternoon, sir.
What's up?
I'm seeing everything at a record pace.
I mean, they're they're cutting programs and all this kind of stuff, and then around me, I see a lot of uh people non-affording medications, Medicare, you know, gets bumped up every time they give Social Security a raise.
So once all this money starts settling down and starts being uh available, um, what's gonna happen?
You know, how's that gonna be reallocated?
You know, how how does that picture look, or how do you think that picture's gonna look?
Um, I think the way it's gonna look is I think we're gonna we're gonna finally begin the process of getting our fiscal house and economic house in order.
And it's it's not it's it's not an easy lift.
It's gonna be a comprehensive, multifaceted effort that includes cutting out waste fraud abuse and corruption.
That's that's a part of it.
It's gonna be as quickly as possible moving Amer America into a place of energy dominance.
It's also going to be, you know, uh it's it's what once we do these things, getting the economy back up and running again, lowering interest rates, making it affordable for people to start living, then the economy will st will again reignite, and hopefully, you know, Americans won't be burdened with high credit card debt and high interest rates for their homes.
I mean, fifty-six percent of Americans, this is what Trump inherited, they can't afford a thousand dollar emergency.
I mean, that that is catastrophic for families.
If their car breaks down, if so, you know, the plumbing breaks, whatever it happens to be.
Yeah, it's scary.
How fast is this money freed up now that they can't use it anymore?
What happens to it?
That's a great question.
You know, now that the money's not going to be used, well, hopefully that money gets spent to deport illegal immigrants, sure, up Social Security and Medicare that are headed towards insolvency.
Hopefully that money will be spent on on pushing the economic agenda through that would include energy dominance and and all these other things the president, you know, had promised on the campaign trail.
Anyway, Dan, uh not sure if you care so much about this what you're doing out in California because you're paying the highest tax rate in the country.
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Adam in Texas, God bless Texas Adam, what's going on?
Hey, son.
So I just had a few disagreements on Doge.
So I I partially agree with it, but at the same time, you know, for our agency, it it really is not really com uh computing for me.
So um so I'm a teleworker for uh the patent office.
Uh we're the only agency that's fee funded, and we don't we don't really take a dime from taxpayers.
We actually serve uh big pharma, big tech, all these, you know, big companies.
Uh we help uh start up, you know, uh companies.
I don't think the patent office is gonna be closed down.
Have you been let go?
Is that what you're saying?
No, no, we haven't been let go, but uh we are not exempt.
Uh well, my point is we're not exempt from the doge or anything like border patrol is or the air traffic control or uh people are, you know, we still have the hiring freeze, and we have a huge backlog of over 820,000 uh pending unexamined uh patent applications that haven't even been looked at.
The timeline for your application, if you were to file uh file one, is about two years.
And uh with this hiring freeze, um it takes about three to five years to train an examiner.
And um so by the time you know this administration realizes, hey, you know, there's a lot of pissed off uh, you know, companies out there that are not happy with the patent office and they figure out well, we fired half of them, or we're we're we're trying to RIF the patent office, you know, how is that government efficiency?
How is that gonna stimulate the economy?
Because without patents Well, to be honest, what you're describing currently is not efficient.
What you're just what you're describing now, if the process as as Trump takes office is two years behind.
It's sort of like you know, to retire from the federal government, I'm told it takes you six months and they do it by hand and they do it in some underground limestone cave somewhere.
It's insane.
You know, we do have something called computers, we have uh artificial intelligence.
There there are there is technology that can be implemented that hopefully you know would would actually assist you in doing a better job and the people in your department from uh to help them do a better job, right?
Uh well the thing is the patent office, we don't like I said, we don't take a dime from taxpayers.
So, you know, I I I honestly I understand where Dodge is coming from, how they're spending taxpayer money, but you're saying nobody in the patent office gets paid a penny?
No, we don't take taxpayer money, is what I'm saying.
The people who fund us are the big corporations.
We even serve people companies in China, Germany, even countries.
Right, so you're an independent company, is it but we do have a government patent office?
Yes, that's what that's where that's the agency I'm a part of.
We don't take taxpayer money.
We are totally fee funded by all these inventors from all over the world, including the United States.
Um, you you basically advocate on behalf of inventors and people that create patents.
Is that what you're saying?
Uh yes, and our agency as well.
Well, no, we we You're not a you you you're you're conflating two issues here.
Either you're independent from the government or you're you're part of the government.
You're saying you're independent from the government.
So you're advocating employee.
I am the one that's I I just asked you that and you said the opposite.
No, I said we're fee funded.
Okay.
So you don't get paid by all right.
I'm I'm having a hard time understanding.
It is do you have independent contractor status?
Because the the patent and trademark office is part of the Department of Commerce that serves GS level associated with my uh position.
So you're a government employee.
Yes.
Oh man, why do why was that so hard?
Why couldn't you just say that?
Okay, nobody's getting laid off, and and you're saying you're funded by outside groups.
Well, I'm not so sure that that would be accurate.
That doesn't make sense to me.
Because you're getting your check from the federal government.
So the government's paying.
You're saying outside groups, you know, pay fees or lobbyists to to advocate for their position, which is different.
But the office is not keeping up with the demand, that's for sure, and the services are are not particularly good.
And efficiency sounds like you know, the order of the day for the patent office.
That's what that's what it sounds like you're telling me.
I'm I'm I'm sorry.
No, that's not exactly what I'm telling you.
I've tell I'm telling you the reason why is because the patent office um we have trouble retaining examiners here because we have a performance metric that must be met.
We're treated like a small business.
So if you you have to process a certain amount of patent applications every quarter.
If you don't process enough patent applications and you you're like, you know, slacking, there's a there's a uh a whole let me ask you, is it is it uh is it un is it unduly burdensome or is it a uh of a fair standard that they're applying for for government workers?
It it depends on your GS level.
So the higher GS level you are, the higher the demand of work that is required of you.
So if you're barely starting, your demand is very well.
If you're a supervisor, you would be responsible for the people underneath you, and that would count towards your number, which would mean you would logically have a higher number.
Listen, you we're getting too deep in the weeds here, and I I I think you're missing the overarching position of j Doge, which is to really find out what is obvious, waste, fraud, abuse, and corruption.
What you're describing at the patent office sounds like one of the most inefficient departments within the commerce department.
And it sounds like you're in desperate need of reform.
That's what it sounds like to me.
But you know, I can't I I can't spend much more precious airtime trying to you know claw this out of you.
I'm trying my best.
Uh anyway, I appreciate the call.
Wish you the best.
Wish you the best.
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