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Jack Brewer - November 12th, Hour 2
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If you want to be a part of the program, uh, we've got a lot going on.
And I want to take a brief break from what's going on transition-wise, and there's so much to talk about.
Because this case that is going on in New York needs to be discussed.
It needs to be analyzed, and we need to understand, you know, how our justice system can be so screwed up.
I mean, it is it is really unbelievable.
And this is a case about Daniel Penny.
You might remember him, a veteran uh that was on a New York City subway.
And anyway, so the the story is is pretty remarkable in so many different ways, in as much as there was a guy that had a background of mental issues, criminal issues, that you know, a mile long, and went on a subway train in New York, basically saying, I don't care if I die, and threatening the people on the train.
That's what he did.
And prosecutors have called more than a dozen witnesses so far in the trial of this Marine charged in the chokehold death of the guy by the name of Jordan Neely on this subway.
He obviously pled not guilty to second-degree manslaughter and criminal criminally negligent homicide.
Prosecutors are arguing his intentions were good, but he took things too far using excessive force by placing Neely in a chokehold for nearly six minutes.
He was begging at the time, and we played the tape, and we have the tape, begging for somebody to please get the police, please get the police.
In New York City, you have a hard time getting police, especially at a moment's notice when you actually need them.
It's a sad state of affairs.
Now, one of the subway writers was on the stand yesterday, told the jury that he has seen many incidents on trains before.
She's been on trains for 50 years.
But on this train, he said there was a moment I thought I was going to truly die.
He explained a screaming Neely entered the subway car in soiled clothing.
He says, I don't care if I die.
I don't care if you die.
Lock me up for life.
Very, very aggressive threats.
He testified she didn't see Neely make any physical contact with anyone.
He also didn't see any weapons, but she said, I truly felt that he was most likely armed.
And with with nowhere to go, if you're in a subway train, that train's moving and it's in motion.
You have no way out.
The best case scenario is maybe you get to transfer from one car to another car.
Neely's father stood up in the gallery as he left and said, She's an effing liar, blah, blah, blah.
Cell phone video taken by a kid in high school was also played.
And that teen took the stand, visibly nervous, soft-spoken, crying at one point.
And in a 9-11 call played in court, she told The operator nearly was trying to attack everybody.
Another witness testified that he was in the station says a crowd went over with no context as to what was happening and heard someone say, Let him go, let him go, you're gonna kill him, and also heard others say Neely had a pulse.
He showed pictures that he took of Neely on the ground.
And then in cell phone videos, someone is heard saying, Well, he might choke on his own spit if you if you put him on his back.
Put him on his side.
The witness said he tried to pour water over Neely's forehead, but Penny told him to stop.
They can't be heard on video, etc.
etc.
Now, this guy with this background and this experience, you know, it the witness said that Jordan Neely looked like he was asleep, you know, at this point.
But you know, what is the man supposed to do?
We uh are we supposed to not help aid assist when when somebody is obviously mentally ill, obviously talking about violence, threatening people on the train, assaulting people on the train, and do nothing.
Here to analyze this case, Greg Jarrett, Fox News legal analyst, best selling author, Leo 2.0 Torrell, Fox News contributor, civil rights attorney.
Welcome both of you to the program.
Leo, let's start with you.
What's your what's your take on this case?
I don't think these charges ever should have been brought.
Well, of course not.
And let me tell you right now, you look at the backdrop.
I just want to for for for sort of background.
You look at all the crimes that are uh are going on in New York and they get released, uh, these individuals commit multiple crimes.
Why was Daniel Penny charged?
I'm just gonna be honest, because he's white.
Why is this case being tried because the victim's black?
This fits the progressive left narrative.
And you might recall at the outset of this, the prosecution tried to make this a race case.
This is not a race case.
This is not a case at all.
But it's politically to the advantage of the left to play this white man versus black victim.
They play it all the time.
That's how they get the race card in play.
Based on everything you just said.
So this case had been taken as a foul to the criminal case.
No.
No.
At best, it's a civil case.
But you heard witnesses who were fearful for their lives.
You heard Daniel Penny taking action.
And Daniel Penny did not take the action to try to kill him.
He was trying to restrain him.
So if you want my honest opinion, that Daniel Penny should be found not guilty.
At best for the prosecution, it's going to be a hung jury.
But I'll tell you right now, I don't see a criminal case here.
I see a politically motivated case because it's this the narrative of the socialist left.
In 2021, this guy literally punched a 67-year-old woman as she was exiting a station in East Village in Lower New York City.
The woman had a broken nose, fractured orbital bone, bruising, swelling, substantial uh pain to the back of her head.
Uh, he pleaded guilty to felony assault uh after what he said, and by the way, the felony assault would have been reduced to a misdemeanor, but he skipped a compliance court date.
Uh we have a total of 42 arrests, according to court records.
And and this guy comes on the plane.
I don't care if anybody dies, I don't care if I die and he's threatening people on the plane, people think they're gonna die.
And, you know, I I'm just trying to understand why this is even in the courts, Greg.
Well, Jordan Neely should have been behind bars uh if the district attorney took crime and punishment seriously.
But for Daniel Penny, the defendant, this is a classic case of self-defense in defense of another.
And it really turns on Penny's intent or his state of mind because even a mistaken belief that others are in imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury, that can lead to an acquittal.
And his defense, of course, is he didn't intend to kill.
He tended to protect.
And that's why prosecutors are trying to play it fast and loose here.
They're not charging him with murder, but the lesser crime of manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide, trying to take away the intent element of the crime.
But intent is still there, uh, trust me.
Um, and you know, you've got all of these female passengers who've taken the witness stand saying they were terrified.
They feared for their lives.
They were relieved that Daniel Penny intervened and saved them after death threats after Neely was lunging at them.
Uh and on this jury are people who are familiar with the subway system, as as I am.
Uh I wrote it for thirty some odd years.
You've seen it all.
And that's the difference between me and you.
I'm I was never going back underground after a couple of incidents I had.
I'm like, that's not happening anymore.
You're smarter than I am.
But um, you know, people on this jury jury, they're wise.
They know what happened, and they're fed up with crime, particularly on subways.
Uh you're on your own.
And so this case is heading, it seems to me, for an obvious acquittal.
I I don't and it, you know, it sort of reminds me of the Bernie Getz case.
You remember that, Sean.
The so-called subway vigilance I've interviewed Bernie Getz.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, jurors who rode the subway, who experienced threats, who experienced menacing behavior.
In the end, when Getz was on trial, they empathized with him and they acquitted him of all but one uh more minor firearms charge.
So, you know, I think this is heading for an acquittal.
It should never have been brought because if prosecutors were doing their job, Jordan Neely would have been behind bars, not threatening people on a subway.
I agree.
Leo, do you see this headed towards acquittal?
Uh yeah, I I hope Greg is one hundred percent correct.
I hope he is.
But if you're telling me uh is it possible one or two jurors might think otherwise, uh again, the prosecution want to play the race card.
They th the reason why this case is brought in is because of the race car.
They want to play it.
So I hope I'm wrong.
But do I think one or two jurors might drink the prosecutor's Kool-Aid?
Maybe.
Maybe.
And I don't know.
I hope not.
But I think those those passengers are real.
They have no motivation but to tell the truth.
And they were afraid.
They were afraid of this man who said, I don't care if I die.
They don't want to die.
Now are they allowed to bring up his 42 prior arrests?
No, no.
None of that was in my opinion, that would not that would not be admissible because those bad acts was not in the minds of the jurors or in Daniel Pinney's mind at the time it happened.
I mean, I But it does it it it does bode inter what it does shed light on the person that we're dealing with in this case.
It shed light on the person that we know of now, but at the time of the incident, it was not in the heads of any of those passengers who are now witnesses or in the alleged or in the mind of the defendant.
They had no knowledge of that.
So I don't think that would be admissible.
I think, Sean, honestly, the facts have been articulated by you and Greg.
That those facts alone should warrant an acquittal.
All right, quick break, right back.
We'll continue more with Leo 2.0 Terrell and our friend Greg Jarrett, they're both friends.
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All right, we continue now with Greg Jarrett, Leo 2.0 Terrell, the case of of Daniel Penny now being on trial uh for the charge of defending people's lives on a subway in New York City in a case that never should have been brought before a jury.
I have said that if I knew I was on video tape and people were confronting me and I had the option of engaging them or running away and looking like a coward on tape.
A gutless, spineless coward, as long as other people's lives weren't at stake, that I would I would prefer to run away and look like a coward rather than defend myself because I know I can hurt them.
And I would never want to do that.
Now, Greg, does that sound a little nuts that that I say that?
No.
Because it's not part of my nature, but I don't want to ever hurt anybody.
R retreat is always a good idea as long as it's only you, but you uh prefaced your remark by saying, as long as others aren't in danger.
Well, if a little old lady, if I'm gonna leave her in danger, what kind of person does that make me?
You wouldn't do that.
So if others are in danger, uh you'd step forward, as I think a lot of people would do, as as Daniel Penny did in this case.
And instead of being prosecuted, frankly, you should be commended.
Um he may have saved lives.
I mean, we have no idea what Jordan Neely would have done, given his criminal record.
Leo's right, though, that that criminal record is inadmissible evidence in the case because passengers and uh Daniel Penny had no idea of that.
And it's it's prejudiced.
Well, if he says that I don't care if I die, and I don't care if any of you die, and he's getting aggressive towards people on the train.
I I don't know if you have any other option but to if especially if you're able and he's a former Marine, then you kind of have a moral obligation to say, hey, that you gotta stop.
Yeah.
And if people feel their lives are in jeopardy, you're totally justified in doing so.
Absolutely.
And that's what Penny did, and he shouldn't be prosecuted for it.
And I think most prosecutors wouldn't, but this is Alvin Bragg.
And he was also begging, please call the police, please call the police, please call the police.
Yeah.
And you know, it takes forever to get uh cops down in the subway system.
They don't want to be there either.
Um, yeah, I I tell my daughters, I'll pay for your Uber.
Uh, you know, don't take the subway.
They both live in Manhattan, and you know for both my kids.
I'm like, okay, you have unlimited Uber uh, you know, privileges, probably for the rest of the life.
I mean, because I just don't uh I don't want the headache, I don't want the worry, I don't want the concern, but they don't live in New York anyway.
People get robbed, they get attacked, they get thrown onto the subway tracks.
We read By the way, Lynn Linda goes to is still goes on the subway, and I yell at her often about I don't yell, but I'm like, Will you stop going on the subway?
We will pay for your Uber, and she doesn't care.
I d it's not that I don't care, it's just that it's quicker, and as anybody in New York knows, you know, it's like if you want to be crazy, just act like crazier than them.
Ain't nobody coming near me.
I'll tell you that.
I've been riding the subway a long time.
Um, I feel sorry for this young Marine.
I feel sorry for everyone that had to go through all that trauma and are now testifying, and I pray to God this jury gets gets us right.
I think they will.
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We welcome back to the program our friend NFL player Jack Brewer, also a presidential appointee under Donald Trump, now heads up the Jack Brewer Foundation, here to talk not only about President Trump's win, but we're also gonna we will also get into this person from FEMA that got fired after a whistleblower came forward and said that FEMA employees were told to avoid homes that had Donald Trump signs after the two hurricanes,
Helene and Milton in Florida and the Carolinas.
It's pretty unbelievable.
Uh but we welcome Jack Brewer back to the program.
Jack, how are you, sir?
Great to be back with you, Sean.
Great to have you.
One of the big things that has come out of this election, and I think this this may be the beginning of a transformation, and I hope that it is, and that is we saw more minorities, African Americans, Hispanic Americans, even women that were then were pre than were predicted by by people prior to the election, all moving in Donald Trump's direction.
And my question to you is simple.
Why do you think that's happened?
Well, I I think a lot of people finally woke up, Sean.
I think, you know, this entire movement, uh, particularly with black men, you know, a lot of people thought I was crazy when I said Donald Trump would get over 25% of the black male vote.
Uh, and he did that.
And did that in a number of uh places, you know, like Atlanta, you know, Philadelphia, parts of North Carolina, places you would have never thought would have supported Donald Trump.
Uh he did that.
And and I knew because I saw what was happening in our public schools, Sean.
I've traveled the country by programs, uh, and and I and black men are just sick and tired of you telling our sons they can be girls, of you use an identity um to to to label and to separate in in schools, um, in in school choice, you know, there's no reason why because you live in a zip code that's underserved that your kids shouldn't have the opportunity to go learn.
I mean, you look at some of these cities, Sean.
I mean, LA, 75% of the young black boys can't read and write on grade level.
Baltimore has entire schools where the little black boys cannot read and write at grade level, and it's just in living in the greatest country on earth, enough is enough.
And I think black men started to realize they started to realize that the Democratic Party, you know, who they have been, you know, electing black mayors and and and police chiefs and all these leaders in these inner cities, and nothing has changed.
And so I think Donald Trump spoke into that.
I think he had the right advocates and people around him, uh, this go round that could really speak into to these issues, and they're important issues.
And so I think you know, it was a big shockwave for a lot of people on the left and even some on the right, uh, but but but folks like me who have lost family and friends and people have stopped talking to me because I support Donald Trump, I felt it coming.
Uh, and it was very vindicating to be honest with you.
I I tend to agree with you dramatically.
And I also think that if you look in all these blue uh cities and states, and you break it down demographically, which we often do in every poll, for example.
But if you look at predominantly minority neighborhoods, you know, I ask people the question all the time.
I've been asking you for years, how's your school system doing?
Do you feel safe and secure?
Do you feel law and order is is at the level you deserve so that you have peace and my of mind so you can pursue happiness and your God-given talents?
And and has the Democratic Party that comes, you know, knocking on your door every two and four years for your vote.
Have they lived up to the promises that they have made?
Have they done anything to improve your schools, anything to improve law and order, anything to improve the quality of life in the community that you live in?
And and overwhelmingly, the evidence is obvious.
If you look at the worst school districts in the country, They tend to be in big cities run by liberal Democrats for decades.
If you look at where the worst crime is, it's big cities run by liberal Democrats for decades.
You know, for all these years I've been scrolling the name of people shot and shot and killed in Chicago since 2009, I've been doing it on TV.
Nobody knows their names.
If they can't politicize it, why why care about the people that were shot and shot and killed?
And I I bring that up and I bring it up often and not one person has ever lifted a finger to say this has got to stop.
And on any given weekend, you can predict in these big cities how many people will be shot and shot and killed that weekend.
And it's all unnecessary.
And all that God given talent is being wasted.
It's terrible, Sean, and and and you and then you put on top of that, right?
All these issues that are going on in these black neighborhoods that you know black folks are watching.
They're seeing them happen.
And then they look on TV and they see that we have sixteen thousand illegal immigrant murderers that are just let allowed to roam the streets.
We have sixty thousand illegal immigrant rapists that are allowed to roam the streets.
You have uh every violent crime you can think about, drug dealers, cartel uh in involved individuals, and they're allowing them to roam the streets.
And then you think about the fact that one in every three black male in America, adult male in America, has a felony.
You think about that, Sean.
One in every three black male in America has a felony.
Our our prisons and jails are full of black folks, but we let illegal immigrants just roam the streets.
And I think black men said enough is enough.
This two-tiered justice system, and they watched Donald Trump be treated just like the the many black folks have been treated for decades in our justice system.
They watched this man get 34 counts, Sean, for for for things that have never been considered.
Well, that that's over now.
Every every one of these cases are dead, as you know.
They'll be dropped, exactly.
And so I think this was vindication for many African Americans and what the mood of the of the the culture is, the mood of the communities are, and it was just a an exciting time, and I think President Trump's gonna do so much to unite this nation so that we don't have to continue to talk about identity all the time, separating between race and gender.
And that's the that's like the the lead discussion point for the left when they're running.
It's always about identity, and I think the American people have said enough is enough.
Uh, and we want to get back uh to be in the unifying United States.
And I think President Trump, after you saw him winning 312 electoral votes, uh has accomplished that.
All right, quick break right back.
We'll continue with Jack Brewer, former NFL player.
We'll get to your calls coming up on the other side, 800-941 Shaun is on number as we continue.
I would continue now with NFL great Jack Brewer is with us.
Let me go to this this whistleblower saying that FEMA employees avoided homes that had Donald Trump signs in places like my home state of Florida and the Carolinas.
Uh listen to this.
It's Marnell Washington saying it.
When were you notified?
Because the Daily Wire said there was a whistleblower who made this point.
Go ahead.
I was notified after I demoped uh the next morning they told me verbally I was fired, but they never provided me anything in writing stating that I was fired.
They all alleged that these actions were made on my own recognizes and that it was for my own political advances.
However, if you look at the record, there is what we call a community trend.
And unfortunately, it just so happened that the political hostility that was encountered um by my team, and I was on two different teams during this deployment.
Uh, they just so happened to have the Trump campaign signage.
FEMA always preaches avoidance first and then de-escalation.
So this is not isolated.
This is a colossal event of avoidance, not just in the state of Florida, but you will find avoidance in the Carolinas.
See senior leadership will lie to you and tell you that they do not know.
But if you ask the DSA crew leads and specialists what they are experiencing in the field, they will tell you, demand for FEMA to give you those incident reports.
They will sus substantiate what is happening to us in the field.
What's your reaction to that?
I mean, I I could tell you if I was ever, let's say, I'll put I'll put myself as a head of FEMA for a minute here, and you have a hurricane as devastating as Helene was to Florida, to Georgia, to Tennessee, to South Carolina, and then especially North Carolina got crushed in certain places.
And my job is to make sure that people have food and water and shelter and medicines and supplies and clothing, whatever they need, and that they've that we we rebuild their lives.
If that's my job.
I mean, we take care of how much money have we sent Ukraine, 200 billion dollars, and we can't rebuild the lives of our fellow Americans in their hour of need.
I'm sorry, that's not the America I believe in.
And if I'm gonna say, oh no, no, no, no, don't go to that house.
You have a Kamala Harris sign.
I don't care who you're voting for.
You're a fellow American, you're in need, dire need.
This isn't about politics.
I I was shocked when I heard this story.
I I first heard about it from Governor DeSantis.
I saw an ex post that he put up.
Yeah.
Sean, it this actually answered uh a huge mystery for me and everyone in my organization.
So just so you know, we've delivered millions and millions of dollars uh in medical food, uh, water, aid uh in times of need.
That's what we do, Sean.
Uh I have a crew of over 30 men that go out in these times, and we've been out in both Helene and in Milton, and I tell you, uh, you know, we really look to identify the veterans, the elderly veterans, the folks that are underserved that had trees literally falling on top of their houses, holes in their roofs, not being able to go in and out of their homes, mold starting to grow because they didn't have any relief and any help and not enough support.
And so we were walking around for weeks, Sean, asking where is FEMA?
Where is FEMA?
The entire communities, where is FEMA?
And yeah, there were a lot of Trump signs because the areas that this uh hurricane hit, particularly in Taylor County and and then in the big being area of Florida, they're they're red, they're red counties.
And so when when I heard this, I was like, this is ridiculous.
I'm telling you, Sean, we were putting our own private resources, raising money, people like Glenn Beck and Mercury One, helping to donate funds to us and other big organizations so that we could get money out uh to these folks that need it.
These are veterans, Sean.
These are guys, these are guys eight.
I had one veteran who had who had was was a a purple heart, one of purple heart.
He had numerous, numerous accolades from the military from serving in Vietnam.
This guy could barely walk, and he had trees on the front of his house and nobody there to help him.
And then you start to hear that this man was skipped over by FEMA because he had a trunk sign in his yard.
It's unbelievable, man.
It's unconscionable.
I'm telling you, I start firsthand, Sean.
I was on the ground there for weeks.
I got a crew there this week, still working to help people.
And so if anyone tries to downplay this, I can tell you as somebody that has been on the ground.
This is 100% accurate.
And it happened, I'm talking about in huge communities where these people did not see a single person from FEMA for weeks after this horrific um hurricane.
And then for these same people to sit there and hear that there was funds taken out of FEMA for illegal migrants to have housing is a slap in the face of all American people.
I don't care if you're red, blue, Kamala, Biden, whoever you're for, that should not be the case.
Listen, I'm I'm gonna have to run, but um, you are truly a national treasure.
You really are.
Thank you for all you've been doing.
I can't believe that they did this.
But you know what?
We we don't have long to go.
January 20th will be here before we know it.
I know every everyone's got a lot to be grateful and thankful for this Thanksgiving, and we get to spend time with our friends and family and be appreciative of the gifts God gives us every day.
And then we go back, we roll up our sleeves, we go to work uh in January.
Uh anyway, Jack Brewer, thank you, my friend.
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