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Dr. Peter Navarro - July 19th, Hour 2
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Peter Navarro has a new book out.
I'm going to tell you about that.
We're going to put it up on Hannity.com.
It's on Amazon.com, bookstores around the country.
But uh, you know, he spent two months in prison.
Uh, and frankly, he had nothing, no reason to be there.
Uh, last night, President Trump calling on Democrats to stop the weaponization of our justice system and labeling people an enemy of democracy.
Here's what he said.
And we must not criminalize dissent or demonize political disagreement, which is what's been happening in our country lately at a level that nobody has ever seen before.
In that spirit, the Democrat Party should immediately stop weaponizing the justice system and labeling their political opponent as an enemy of democracy.
Especially since that is not true.
In fact, I am the one saving democracy for the people of our country.
And he is indeed.
Anyway, Peter Navarro joins us.
He has a new book out.
It's called The New Magadil, the official deplorable's guide to Donald Trump's 2024 uh policy platform.
And it's on Hannity.com, Amazon.com, now bookstores around the country.
Uh Peter, welcome back to the program.
And on a personal level, I've always been very fond of you.
I've known you for a long time.
Uh I watched very, very closely everything that was going on with you.
It broke my heart to see you the day that you went into prison.
You've been there for what how many months now?
Four months now, and now you're finally released, and I want to talk to you about it, but um I'm sorry you had to go through that.
I really mean that with all my heart.
Sean, I I consider your brother in arms, man.
We we've gone through a lot uh when I was in with the boss for four years in the administration, our past would frequently uh cross.
I remember uh fun night uh when we had to do the uh the convention uh for 2020, uh at the lawn of the White House.
I don't know if you remember that with the screens, but I I do.
You I was up on a platform and you were right below me.
I do remember well.
Yeah.
But but look, uh I want you I want your uh listeners to understand one thing.
Um I'm fine.
We're we're soldiers.
Um I took a um a figurative bullet.
The president took a literal one the other day.
The theme of my my speech at the convention uh was I went to prison so you won't have to.
And what I meant by that, Sean, is that my case is probably the purest case of the weaponization of our our government, not just our justice system.
Because what I explained was uh the other tagline is if we don't Control our government, their government will control us.
And I went through how the legislative, executive, and judicial branches, all involving Democrats weaponizing their powers, put me in prison.
It was the House uh J 6 committee and a Democrat majority holding me in in contempt for what?
Honoring executive privilege, defending the constitutional separation of powers.
Democrats did that.
It was the Democrat Attorney General, uh Merrick Garland who indicted and prosecuted me for a crime which the Department of Injustice itself had said for 50 years was like that's not a crime.
If if Congress comes to call in with a subpoena for a senior presidential advisor under Department of Justice rules, it was my duty, my duty, Sean, to do what I did.
And let's not forget Eric Holder and least more recently, my orchis being held.
Well add to add to the list Lois Lerner.
I mean, there are a lot of names we can we can list here of Democrats that were holding contempt just like you, but they weren't prosecuted and they were not sent to jail.
And and then and then the judges.
I mean, Sean, these politicians in black robes, I mean, just like Judge Juan Marshan, what a disgusting individual did in Manhattan in the in the Star Chamber this entry to Donald John Trump.
I had this judge named Ahmed Maida, and he stripped me of every single defense before my case even went to a jury, and then I had a jury pool in DC District of Columbia, which was ninety-five percent voting You had zero chance.
Can I be very blunt?
You had no shot, no chance at all whatsoever.
It was, it was a done deal before you ever stepped in a courtroom.
Let me ask you this because you could have gone on.
You you could have gone in and you could have pled the fifth, and you could have walked out of there, and there would be no legal issues at all whatsoever.
You would have had the right to do that.
And I watched very, very closely, even the moments when you were walking into prison that day, and you explained what the principle of executive privilege meant, why you took the stand, you knowingly did it with the risk of going to prison.
I know you fought it with everything you had.
I know you fought for appeals.
By the way, now Steve Bannon is in prison for the same exact reason.
He'll be there for four months also.
But you did it anyway.
And you know, I I always kind of admired you.
You're you're a tough guy, you're a fighter.
And on the other hand, I felt terrible for you.
Because uh and I'll ask you about your prison experience, but I can't imagine, you know, walking in there, you you think this is gonna be a cakewalk because it's not.
Well, let's let's talk about the principle of the matter.
You know, back uh our first president, George Washington, when the J Treaty got negotiated, he got subpoenaed by Congress, and he went to Congress and said, Look, I don't have the authority to summon you to the White House to these congressmen, and you don't have the authority to summon me to Congress.
And that was Sean, that was when this doctrine of executive privilege was born, and there's numerous Supreme Court decisions, a lot of them around the Nixon era, which talk about the importance of what they call candor and confidentiality in communications between a president and his advisors as a way of having the best possible decision making.
And what was different from me and a lot of the other everybody in the J 6 who got subpoenaed was I was in the White House when all my brothers and sisters got subpoenaed, right?
It was Kellyanne Conway, it was Don McGann, it was uh Rob Porter, it was everybody at that time in 2019 when it happened, Pat Sibolone, the White House legal counsel issued letter after letter explaining that t uh advisors like us have absolute testimonial immunity to protect executive privilege.
And look, Sean, when the J Six committee started coming after everybody, the boss knew, I knew, a lot of people knew there was only one agenda there, and that was to try to stop Donald John Trump from being the next president.
And I, when they came at me, uh It was in my DNA serving in the White House.
It's like that's an illegal, improper subpoena.
You don't have the authority.
I'm holding my ground.
And I am the first person ever in the history to do it.
But look, it's going to the Supreme Court.
That's where I said from the very beginning this case would go.
And it's a landmark constitutional case.
I pray to God, Sean, that the Supreme Court doesn't duck it because it's a beautiful case to present Peter, look at what we've now learned.
They they destroyed so much of the evidence that they, quote, had gathered, meaning the J Six Committee.
We know that, for example, they ignored.
I have on tape that there are five people in the days leading up to January 6th, uh, including uh President Trump and his chief of staff and the acting defense secretary and his chief of staff and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs.
Four of the five I have on tape saying that Donald Trump called for for National Guard troops.
Muriel Bowser, who was never called before the J 6 uh committee, in writing denied the National Guard troops that Donald Trump was willing to call up and wanted to call up.
We know that the Capitol Police Chief's son, I've interviewed him, and he was begging for National Guard troops because of new actionable intelligence in the days leading up to January 6th.
They didn't listen to him either.
They didn't bring in Nancy Pelosi, they didn't bring in Chuck Schumer, they're in charge of the uh security for the Capitol.
They didn't bring in, you know, they they didn't bring in the very key people that could have brought a very different narrative.
And and you spent four months in prison over this.
It's unreal to me.
This is not the U.S. that I expect that we we should be living in.
You see what they're doing to the Wall Street Journal reporter in Russia.
I mean, it's just saying I got the same treatment, okay?
It's a communist Chinese court at the end of the day.
But the but the look, the beauty of my case is it's really got nothing to do with J 6.
It's a pure case of a subpoena going to a senior presidential advisor and alter you go to the president.
And the question is whether Congress has the authority to do it.
I stand for the principle that they do not.
I stand for the constitutional separation of powers, and it's really going to be important, Sean, uh, for the future, uh, that the Supreme Court say that I was right and they shouldn't have done what they did to me.
The idea of sending me to pr that Ahmed Made it, keep your eye on him because he's a judge in another case with President Trump himself.
He's a he's a he's an Obama appointee.
His wife, I hate to bring in family, but his wife works at the largest Democrat lobbyist and campaign contribution fundraiser right there in DC, basically bought his way into the court, and he's trying to use me as a stepping stone uh to get to the Supreme Court on the Democrat side,
and he put me in prison, didn't release me pending appeal when he knows that the likelihood of my case being overturned on appeal is high, very high because of of what the case stands for.
So, but look, if it John, at the end of the day, I have no regrets about what I did.
It was the right thing to do, and if it turns out to be the landmark constitutional case that sets the law on the doctrine of executive privilege and constitutional separation of powers, uh, it'll be worth it, and even if I lose, look, this is what we do.
We stand up for principle.
Trump people do not bend, we don't break, and you know, what we ask you this bullet.
You know, I the least I could do is is go to prison for principle.
All right, quick break more with our friend Peter Navarro, former director of U.S. Office of of Trade and Manufacturing.
His new book is out.
It's called The New MAGA Deal, the unofficial deplorables guide to Donald Trump's 2024 policy platform.
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We continue now with Peter Navarro.
He has a new book out, the new MAGA deal, the unofficial deplorables guide to Donald Trump's 2024 policy platform.
Let me ask you this.
Tell us the prison you were in.
Tell us what it was like.
How did the other prisoners react to you?
And what's it like to have your freedom ripped away from you?
Well, let me, yeah, uh we're what kept me going in prison in a lot of ways.
You mentioned the the new Magadiel book, New Magad Deal dot com.
What what I was doing in there as I was in prison was that book was getting printed up.
And let me just say this what's important to me now with the uncertainty over who the nominee's gonna be um on Democrat side.
I mean, that is chaos personified.
I think ultimately what we're gonna have to do is argue the presidential case on policy.
And that's where I I tried to anticipate this, and one of the biggest critiques, Sean, that in 2022 in the congressional election was you know, MAGA equals extremism.
And the whole idea of the new MAGA deal, a book, is to give people two things.
One, a broad understanding of what we really stand for, which simply gating back to 2016 by Donald Trump is strong manufacturing and defense industrial base or things like fair trade things, secure borders, which is probably the most important issue right now, and an end to the analyst wars, and you think about Ukraine and what's going on in the Middle East.
Um, and so we've got to beat them all in the policies, never mind the transgender destruction of women's force.
But we have to be able to articulate that.
And that that's what what I was trying to do now.
In prison, you will you won't be surprised at this.
Um you may remember Donald Trump passed something called the First Step Act.
I don't know if you remember that in 2020.
I do, of course.
And it's one of two pieces of of the landmark prison reform.
The other is the second chance act.
And interestingly enough, because karma, you know what that is, it was a counter response to Joe Biden.
Okay, in the within the prison community, Joe Biden is known as Joe Mandatory Minimum Biden.
Okay.
He's the guy that does devised these crushing uh over exaggerated sentences, putting first time offenders away for like fifteen years.
I mean, it's it's it's an abomination.
And what's interesting here, uh and don't think I'm getting it.
Well, let me ask you a question can you hang on a couple of more minutes can I hold you through the break do you have time or are you in a rush?
No whatever you need Sean you're the man.
All right doctor uh Peter Navarro is with us four months out of prison just released spoke at the RNC this week he has a brand new book out you gotta read this book uh we have it on Hannity.com Amazon.com bookstores now are all across the country it's called the New MAGA deal the unofficial uh unofficial deplorables guide to Donald Trump's twenty twenty-four policy platform uh more with Peter on the other side then we'll get to your calls 800-941 Sean is a number exposing
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We continue now with uh Dr. Peter Navarro he's the former director of the U.S. Office of trade and manufacturing uh just got out of prison after four months he's written a new book it's called the New MAGA deal the unofficial deplorables guide to Donald Trump's 2024 uh policy platform and now you just got out of prison four months I I uh you know I spoke to Paul Manafort for example and he was actually on during the convention this week and Paul Manafort spent nearly a year in solitary confinement
And during that year, and he wrote this in his book, and I asked him about it this week on air about what it was like, because in solitary confinement, I mean, it's a pretty miserable existence.
I was kind of shocked to hear that, you know, one of the things that kind of helped sustain him was he'd listen to Rush 12 to 3 Eastern.
He'd listen to me 3 to 6 Eastern.
He'd listen to the great one, Mark Levin, 6 to 9 Eastern.
And then often the prison guards who are are very nice to him would would often put on my TV show for the guy.
And it he said it helped him I did not know at the time that this was happening.
What was prison like for you?
How were you received by those prisoners?
Everybody knew who you were everybody knew your case everybody knew that you really didn't have to be there had you gone to the J6 committee and just pled the fifth you would have walked away but you decided you were going to take a stand on principle kind of like what Bannon did.
Well let me thank Paul Manor for before I just before I went in I had a nice long conversation with him about how to handle the situation and the thing I took away with him from him was the virtue of routine, Sean.
So m every day um I had a set routine in terms of of keeping my physical health well when you're working out, keeping my mental health well by uh working on uh finishing a book about this whole problem with the law, and I kept a diary of being in prison, so I had all that uh going on, and then I I developed now were you in a camp, did you were you like at a dormitory, were you in a cell?
What was it like?
Let's make they call it a camp, but it's not.
The Miami facility is is like a hybrid.
It's surrounded by barbed wire.
Um they've got uh some violence offenders that work their way down into it.
Uh four dorms, fifty guys each, two hundred total.
Uh we had COVID go through a couple of times, you know, one guy was and then everybody would get it to food.
Did you did you get COVID in prison?
I did, and I'd never gotten it really uh you know if I'm out on the outside, I'm able to do what I need to in terms of of of a healthy diet, uh the hydroxy, which I'm a fan of, and I you know, just I can fight it off, but there because you you get in such a weakened state from the from the from the diet they feed you.
Um tell me about the diet.
What are the the the not feeding you steak every night?
I get it.
It's yeah, the but breakfast there's supposed to be a national prison diet, Sean, but they don't abide by it.
So in the morning, uh you get like this this cereal and skim milk is is pretty much sometimes some applesauce, they call us food.
Remember the old days when ketchup was a vegetable, you know, that kind of stuff like that.
And what you got you gotta be kidding me, really.
Oh, no, no, no.
It's a very protein-deficient diet.
You have to supplement with the commissary food if you can't afford it.
Uh which I could, but a lot of guys couldn't.
Um and the commissary, Sean.
It's like they get like like a hundred percent markups on stuff.
You you if you spend a hundred dollars in a Walmart, uh you get about forty dollars worth of stuff at the commissary.
I mean, it's just uh and the worst part, and I'm I'm fortunate, Sean, I don't take any medicines, no prescription medicines.
But the medical care there is absolutely awful, and it's very hard when you come in to get your prescription d drugs.
And one of the things I you know, look, I could I could stand up for these guys uh better than anyone because the other guys would get retribution on 'em from the system.
But there was one case, for example, um evening this guy comes in, big guy comes to me, he's in tears in pain, his stomach looked like he was pregnant.
It was he was like having a tremendous problem.
And I had to go to the guard because they wouldn't do anything.
I said, Look, uh this guy you had two choices here.
He either goes to the hospital and lives or he stays here and dies.
And it was that that close, okay.
And the guy looks at me, he calls, we get him out, the guy has an emergency surgery for three hernias, and you know, he comes back and and he was very thankful for for the help, right?
The other thing with which was funny in a way, you know, it's like everybody w when a when a new inmate comes in, everybody wants to know whether he was a snitch, whether he pleaded and got you know snitched on his fellowship.
Well, everybody had to know that was not you.
Well, that was the beauty of it's not exactly the the same equivalence of of uh you know standing up and not responding to a congressional subpoena and not snitching and whatever it was.
Uh but they thought I was coming in a stand-up guy and they all like Trump.
I get before the very the first step act, this thing, Sean, it's really important politically, because I think it could actually at the margin move enough voters in some of the swing states to make a difference.
The the the shorter thing is Biden is not enforcing the first step act, and three to six to twelve month delays in the release of prisoners means more taxpayer costs.
That's outrageous.
This guy follows no laws.
He doesn't even follow Supreme Court decisions uh you know, as exemplified by the student loan, you know, vote buying schema.
But but let me go back to this.
So you're dealing with prisoners.
I mean you're not the youngest guy that you used to be, but you're in great shape.
You're you're healthy, you're fit, uh you don't have protein in your diet that they should be feeding you, so you have to bite at the commissary.
I I I don't know what you were buying, but if you want to tell us I'd love to know but how did they treat you?
I mean was everybody nice to you?
I mean you weren't sitting there at night wondering if Bubbo was going to attack you, were you?
Um there were there were moments you know I I saw some things that that would that would uh lead you to believe that there's there's danger there.
But look at as time but not you specifically you were not targeted people didn't like did that did people generally leave you alone or generally be nice to you?
Well they never left me alone because they wanted to talk to me about Trump they were all hey what's Donald Trump really like hell.
I mean but by the end of it it's like here's the thing this is really important Sean I developed a team of inmates within the prison to systematically fight uh the lack of enforcement of the First Step Act.
I'm taking this to Matt Gates has been helping me we're trying to get get comer and the judiciary committees it's a five billion dollar problem.
It's a scandal Sean that I have uncovered it's five billion dollars involving over 6000 inmates and their families because the Biden administration is not enforcing the first step back.
Think about that these guys go to prison for breaking the law and they're stuck in prison longer than they should be because the Bureau of prisons in the Biden administration is breaking the law and if I can get a little love you're listening Jim Jordan comerce is helping Biggs I could blow up a five billion dollar scandal in the Bureau of prisons and get taxpayers five billion dollars.
It's a well Jim uh Jordan will take your call I know that for a fact he absolutely would take your call continue now Peter Navarro is with us and he just got out of prison former uh director of the U.S. Office of trade and manufacturing under Donald Trump and out of prison he's written a new book it's called the New Magadieal the unofficial uh deplorables guide to Donald Trump's twenty twenty four policy platform.
I'm so sorry and I mean this sincerely that you had to go through that.
I'm glad you're on the other side of it it shouldn't have happened.
Let me ask a final question.
Sure.
You knew and I'm sure your lawyers told you that if you would have only gone into the J six com uh committee and fled the fifth you would have walked out and you would have walked free.
You did not have to do this.
But you thought the principle was too important.
Tell me about why because I I uh because I'm trying to put myself in your shoes I'd probably say you know what screw it I'll just plead the fifth what do I care anyway you're not forced to you're not compelled to tell them and if you did just that you wouldn't have gone to prison and you wouldn't have had to experience it but you felt the principle of executive privilege was that important that you were willing to do it.
Um that shows me number one the type of person you are and maybe I'm not as strong as you I don't know but uh I would have just looked at them and said you know what I'm I'm I'm not letting you put me in that position but you felt strongly about it and I admire I admire the fact you stood on principle but I wonder you ever think at any point I should have just put pled the fifth and gotten out of there?
No no not for a second Sean I I don't regret a thing.
I here's the thing the difference between me and probably everybody else who got a subpoena for J six was my lived experience in the White House and my my look I saw my colleagues Kellyanne Conway, Don McGann, Porter, Hope's all these people were subpoenaed over these impeachment things, right?
And they held firm and more importantly Pat Cipalone White House legal counsel issued letters about the importance of testimony immunity in the Department of Justice Policy.
I read all that stuff.
And for me, in my day DNA, that when Congress comes to call on, you gotta defend the Constitution.
So when I saw them form that J6 committee.
Okay, and I had talks.
I don't like to talk much about talks with the with the boss, but we had one, and it was in it's in the public record now about these subpoenas.
And he and I both knew we could see that.
The only reason they were doing that was not to get to the bottom of what happened, but to put Donald Trump in prison and keep him out of the White House.
And I wasn't going to participate in that.
I said from the outset, Sean, I said, look, the president has invoked the privilege.
That's a fact.
It's not mine to wave.
That's the law.
And if you want me to testify, which I would be happy to do, just go and ask the president to waive the privilege.
Now here's the thing, Sean.
They never did that.
No.
They never did.
Because the irony in all of this is I would have been one of one of the J6 people on the stand who would have been exculpatory.
I mean, I wrote about the Well, there were a lot of people who would have been exculpatory.
The people that that would have testified that Trump called up the guard uh and and Muriel Bowser would have been, you know, it would it would have proven that.
Well, why did she in writing deny the troops?
Uh why did Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer not not call up troops?
Uh even MBC reported there was actionable intelligence in the days leading up to this.
Why was uh the Capitol Police Chief Sudden not brought in?
But you know, Peter, I'm glad you're out.
I'm sure it was really unpleasant.
I do admire the fact that you're a man of principle.
I really do.
Uh I really urge people to get a copy of your book.
We're going to put it on my website, Hannity.com.
It's on Amazon.com.
It's in bookstores around the country.
It's called The New Maggot Deal, the unofficial deplorable's guide to Donald Trump's 2024 policy platform.
I know I kept you a lot longer than I thought I would, but um I am on I I do appreciate your time.
I've known you.
Uh I appreciate our friendship, and I'm I'm glad you're home free.
And uh my best to you and your fiance and your new life and your new lease on life, and I wish you the best.
All right, my brother, you keep doing what you're doing, you're the best at it.
I don't know about that.
I'm trying, though.
I'm trying hard, I promise, Peter.
Uh, thank you, my friend.
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