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Best of Hannity Rep. Lee Zeldin - July 4th, Hour 3
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If you want to be a part of the program, former congressman, former gubernatorial candidate Lee Zeldon is with us, sir.
How are you?
Hey, John, doing all right.
How are you?
I'm good.
So I said this to you before.
I'm going to repeat it, and there's a reason I'm going to repeat it, and I'll get to that on the other side.
If you had run for governor under the current conditions or under the conditions that you ran a couple of years ago, I contend you probably would have won the race.
I think the biggest challenge that you are facing is what has been a steady, massive migration out of New York and into places like Florida and the Carolinas and Tennessee and Texas and other states around the country.
Maybe you agree, maybe you disagree.
So in other words, people that would otherwise have been open-minded, inclined to maybe go for the change that New York really needs, so many of them have left that it put you at a decided disadvantage.
With all that said, you outperformed expectations by a huge margin and actually ended up carrying across the finish line in some, well, Democratic plus Democratic districts, Republicans that actually gave Republicans a majority in the House.
You played a big part in that, in my view.
There have been a lot of Republicans who have fled the state.
It has happened now for years as the state has been on a decline.
And New Yorkers might go travel to where their family or other friends have relocated to, and they realize that their money will go further.
They'll feel safer.
They get to live life freer.
And the decision becomes easier.
The breaking point in New York gets closer and the options are clear.
So yeah, a lot of Republicans have fled the state.
Now, since 2022, you have had more Democrats reaching their breaking point being fed up by Democrats in the state and independent-minded voters as well.
When I ran in 2022, the Biden border crisis wasn't a top three issue.
For many New Yorkers, now it's the number one issue.
Eric Adams' numbers are in a tank.
Kathy Hochl's numbers have gone down the drain.
Joe Biden's numbers are worse.
So in 2024, the atmosphere, the political earth in New York has moved to the right because of all of that.
And I think that there is a real opportunity for a good year in states like New York because of the consequences of Democratic policies and the reality of the moment.
Look, you may be right.
I may be wrong.
I'm one of the many hundreds of thousands that did leave New York, as you know, but I was leaving anyway.
I mean, it just took me a long time to finally be in a position where I could make the switch.
And it's not a decision I'll ever regret.
I can tell you that much.
And by the way, New York now, state Democrats who control the entire state government, they now want to decriminalize prostitution.
I did notice that they have instituted a congestion tax, but because Kathy Hochl is concerned about reelection, my understanding is she's going to put a hold on that.
And I'm sure if she is re-elected, it'll instantly be put back in place.
But there are other things that New York is now planning to do.
I mean, there has been talk now for a long time about a wealth tax.
Like California, there's talk about an exit tax, where if you leave New York, they want the right to tax your income, even though you don't live there anymore and you're not a resident there anymore.
Then there's been a lot of talk about billions of dollars spent in reparations in states like New York.
Meanwhile, the one thing that would solve New York's problems like fracking, which would be able to lower the tax base significantly, and I know this was a big part of your campaign, that's not even under consideration because radicals basically run New York.
And I don't see it getting any better.
Add to it the weaponization of justice in New York.
And I just don't see that that state's going to improve.
And honestly, if you really want to serve in government, Congressman, my advice to you would be to get the hell out of there and just see the handwriting on the wall.
Now, you may not like to hear that, but that's my advice.
That would be my advice.
Yeah, the reality is it's not going to get better because it is one-party Democrat rule in New York City, one-party Democratic rule up in Albany, super majorities in the Assembly, in the Senate.
As you pointed out there, all good points from the beginning as it relates to the congestion tax to the end of that point regarding fracking.
And we're not even beginning to scratch the service on the pro-criminal laws that have been passed, throwing law enforcement under the bus, prioritizing with free goodies, people who aren't even illegally in this country or in New York.
From the congestion pricing front, the news is that Kathy Hochl now, with an election coming up just a few months away, is saying that she's going to hit the pause on this new tax.
Now, what's amazing as far as being in an indictment on the economy under Joe Biden and Kathy Hochul is that she's saying that New Yorkers can't afford it.
Well, this was an election issue when we were running against each other two years ago.
You weren't saying that the economy wasn't going well then.
You weren't talking about inflation like you are now.
Who's been in charge for the last two years?
On the other front, you're talking about the safe extraction of natural gas.
We're rich in resources.
They won't allow that.
They should.
They have banned the approvals of new construction on pipelines.
Kathy Hochul signed off on a new order to ban the sale of gas-powered vehicles.
And the list goes on.
It all adds up.
And that's why the state is not heading in the right direction.
It's not going to get better unless these are.
California, New York, they're on parallel paths.
You know, they actually were so effective forcing people with the high gas prices out in California.
You know, you pay over $7 a gallon on average.
It's like twice the national average for gasoline.
So they've kind of forcing people into these electric vehicles.
Now, here's the interesting fallout of all of that.
Number one, they're more dangerous on the road.
And there was a study out that shows that they actually pollute the environment more, but that's separate and apart from everything else.
But one of the fallouts of this is their revenues have declined in terms of gas taxes significantly.
So now they're looking at a mileage tax out in California on top of what are billions of dollars in reparations, on top of their proposal for an exit tax.
You can't even leave the state without them trying to haunt you for the rest of your life and tax you, even though you don't even live in the state.
They want to still tax you on income on top of a wealth tax that they want to charge anybody that makes any money.
I mean, it's insane.
And the crazy thing is, if you think about adding up all of the left's agenda, if you really wanted to, you know, you're AOC, you have the keys to the castle, and you want to implement your entire agenda, Bernie and Elizabeth Warren, and the others.
This goes beyond just increasing taxes.
And there's been this conversation where they love the talking point of wanting people to pay their fair share.
Well, what is their fair share?
Is it well, let me give you an example in California, okay?
A couple earning $84,000 a year.
Now, you know, from New York pricing, that's nothing.
You're not living high on the hog on 84 grand in New York as a couple.
You know, you're barely surviving.
And the same thing would exist out in California.
And if that is your income in California, they talk about taxing the rich.
Well, 6% of that 84 grand is going to go to the state in income taxes.
They're not just taxing the rich, as they claim.
They're taxing everybody.
If they increased the tax to 100% on the wealthiest Americans, they still would not have enough money to implement their entire agenda.
They would have to actually start confiscating the wealth of the wealthiest Americans.
If you confiscated all of it, it still would not be enough to implement this entire agenda.
Now, there are Americans out there.
Maybe someone's in college and they see some press release where Joe Biden's offering to pay off their school loan and they make some quick single-issue decision to cast a vote as a reward there.
Well, listen, for the rest of us who understand how this all works, when you see all the free goodies and handouts to people who aren't even legally in our country, the rest of us need to be asking tough questions of where the heck does all this come from.
The Democrats are pandering, and that should not be rewarded with more power.
We should be rewarding people, placing our trust in folks who are not telling us just what we want to hear to pander, but telling us that we have a fiscal crisis in this country that can be argued to be our greatest threat that we face right now.
What is the tough decision that you're willing to make to fix it?
That might cost you votes, but you're willing to say it and do it despite it.
That's the type of people we need in office.
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With former New York congressman, former Republican gubernatorial candidate from the state of New York.
Lee Zeldon is with us.
I don't see any hope that this state is, your state is going to turn around.
I just don't.
You know, if you have defund, dismantle, no bail laws, reimagine the police, and that is life in New York City.
If you have a sanctuary city, New York City, you have a sanctuary state, California, sanctuary cities like San Francisco.
It's gotten so bad that every major, you know, change store has decided to close down because as long as you steal less than $1,000 worth of junk from a store, they're not going to arrest you.
I mean, they have let the inmates run the asylum.
You got, you know, you got safe shooting zones in these states.
It's just the quality of life has deteriorated.
You know, now we have illegal immigrants.
You saw the story.
121 New York City hotels are being used to house illegal immigrants.
And taxpayers in New York and New York City have to pay the bill for the housing and the food and the education of their kids.
And if some of them are incarcerated for the criminal justice system and then the health care that they need, all paid for by taxpayers in your state.
It is unsustainable.
And he just allowed the non-citizens to vote inside of New York.
It was actually one of those illegal migrants.
Well, they tried to do that in New York City.
It was stopped by our court, but they passed it in New York City.
Right.
Now, one of those illegal migrants from Venezuela just shot two police off NYPD officers a couple days ago.
It was somebody illegally in the country who didn't show up to his court date, who had an illegal firearm, who was under investigation for part of all sorts of armed robberies that were taking place.
Yeah, then he shoots two NYPD officers.
Listen, I will say this.
Last week, there were two polls that came out on New York as it relates to President Trump.
The first one, a Siena College poll, said that President Trump was out down nine.
They underpolled Republicans only 22%.
They oversampled New York City, 39%.
They didn't even ask Robert Kennedy Jr.
as a name on the ballot, still had it as nine points.
Then at the end of the week, a poll comes out from Emerson saying that President Trump is down six.
We saw the energy in the South Bronx.
And even if, let's just say President Trump wasn't able to win New York, putting that aside, the fact that in a state where President Trump lost by 23 points in 2020, you're seeing that shift the ground under us, this is more than just Republicans voting Republican, conservatives voting conservative.
There are disenfranchised Democrats, black voters, Asian voters, Hispanic voters, and more, who have been abused, screwed by the Democratic Party.
They are disenfranchised by it, and now they have open arms waiting for us to show up with conservative solutions.
I'm telling Republicans, get into the cities, go to blue areas like never before.
Don't pander, show up with conservative solutions.
I think there are a lot of Democrats ready to vote Republican.
You really do.
You think it's really going to change?
I believe that it's, and I don't blame, and I don't blame Democrats if we come up short.
I blame Republicans if we come up short.
When a high-paid political consultant says not to go to the South Bronx because they'll never vote for you, I say that's exactly where we need to go.
And what happens when we show up is that they're waiting with open arms because not only have no Republicans been showing up, but no Democrats have been showing up because the Democrats know even if they don't show up, that they're still going to get the vote.
But I think a lot of people are realizing their vote's been taken for granted.
We saw it with the black voters in Chicago who show up to the city council meeting pissed off that their tax dollars are going to illegal migrants.
I think people have hit the breaking point.
It's their kids maybe in the low quality public school education.
It might be a community seeing crime on the rise and having prosecutors like Bragg who won't go after violent crime.
These are issues that transcend blind partisan loyalty.
This is bigger than being a Democrat to them.
They care about their future above all else.
Let me ask you, and you did a great job as a congressman, and I really mean it.
I thought you ran a great campaign, and I think 10 years ago had it been the same situation with not as many people having left New York at the time, you would have won.
Are you going to stay there for the rest of your life?
I had no plans on leaving.
The only four years that I spent outside of New York were my four years on active duty in the Army.
And this has been my home, born and raised.
And every time Kathy Hochul says, you know, Donald Trump leaves Eldon should get on the bus and move to Florida, that only makes me want to stay and fight more.
I mean, Hochul is, she's calling on New Yorkers to flee, and she's making the case easier for New Yorkers to leave where you can't blame people for going and not putting New York in timeout, but permanently saying that they're gone.
I get it.
A lot of folks who used to come visit the state are saying, you know what, I'm going to go spend my available weekend or a week in some other state, not going to New York.
I get it.
But for me, I'm still here.
I'm staying.
I'm fighting.
I have no plans to leave.
Okay.
I respect your decision.
I really do.
I think you're nuts.
And, you know, I understand your willingness to stay and fight.
I admire it.
I don't think it's something at this point you can win in our lifetime.
I think I don't know what it would take to change the place.
I really don't.
Lee, we appreciate your time, buddy.
Thank you.
You got it.
Thanks, Sean.
All right.
Yeah, Joe Biden's big election year conversion on the issue of immigration is beyond laughable.
I mean, how many election year conversions do you get from this guy?
You know, all of a sudden, oh, the border is secure.
The border is closed.
I can't do anything.
Republicans won't help me or anything.
And then, oh, I'm going to do it the way everybody said I could do it in the beginning because I undid all the good policies in the beginning.
Anyway, listen to Joey talk about this and his flip-flopping on immigration.
Come here today to do what the Republicans in Congress refuse to do.
Take the necessary steps to secure our border.
Within 100 days, I'm going to send to the United States Congress a pathway to citizenship for over 11 million undocumented people.
Today, I'm announcing actions to bar migrants who cross our southern border unlawfully from receiving asylum.
Migrants will be restricted from receiving asylum at our southern border unless they seek it after entering through an established lawful process.
There are going to be no deportations in the first hundred days of my campaign.
Let me get that right.
You are going to freeze deportations?
Freeze deportations for the first hundred days.
And those who seek to come to the United States legally, for example, by making an appointment and coming to a port of entry, asylum will still be available to them, still available.
But if an individual chooses not to use our legal pathways, if they choose to come without permission and against the law, they'll be restricted from receiving asylum and staying in the United States.
This action will help us gain control of our border, restore order into the process.
All those people are seeking asylum.
They deserve to be heard.
That's who we are.
We're a nation that says if you want to flee and you're freeing oppression, you should come.
So today, I'm moving past Republican obstruction and using the executive authorities available to me as president to do what I can on my own to address the border.
This is the first president in the history of the United States of America that anybody seeking asylum has to do it in another country.
That's never happened before in America.
We must face the simple truth.
To protect America as a land that welcomes immigrants, we must first secure the border and secure it now.
Okay.
There's a guy that has been playing politics the whole time.
And with 100, well, we're now 152 days from Election Day.
He did it with 153 days before Election Day.
10 million unvetted Joe Biden illegal immigrants, many from our worst, most hostile enemies and regimes.
Unreal.
Anyway, let's get to our busy phones.
Jack is in New York.
Hey, Jack in New York.
How you doing?
What's going on?
Forget about it.
I'm in Buffalo, Sean, so my accent wouldn't quite be like that, but I'm doing good today.
Thank you.
Buffalo is great.
It's just a little cold.
Not today, it's not, but generally it is, you know, in February and January.
I kind of want to talk about this notion that there needs to be unanimity on a verdict for an underlying crime in the Trump case.
And I know you had spoke yesterday about the case of Ramos versus Louisiana.
I think that's misplaced.
That case simply said that you can't convict somebody in a criminal trial and have a verdict come back where 10 say yes and two say no.
That's all that case stands for.
No, you're wrong because what the judge and the jury instructions said here is you can find people guilty.
And I don't have the exact language that I have read on the air numerous days and put up on the screen on TV.
But instead of having the idea that, well, you can believe he's guilty, four, you can believe it for one reason and four for another reason and four for a third reason, the language in the actual Supreme Court decision, that's a 2020 decision, was very clear that you need unanimity on all issues.
There was no ambiguity in that language at all whatsoever.
I disagree with that.
The Court of Appeals.
You can't disagree with what the facts are.
You just can't.
I disagree with what what you're representing that case, that Louisiana case to me.
This let me give you an example, Sean.
But the Supreme Court language was clear.
I've read it on the air repeatedly.
And I'm telling you, it said unanimity on all issues.
There was no ambiguity there.
That case was simply a 10-2 verdict.
That was not a case like this.
The Court of Appeals in New York and the People versus Tavares addressed this issue.
You can be charged and found guilty of falsifying business records, but you do not need to prove the underlying crime that you were attempting to conceal.
The Court of Appeals is very clear on that.
We're talking about two different things.
I'm talking about the judge's instructions.
In other words, first of all, I don't even think they had jurisdiction on a federal election law.
That's number one.
This is in New York City a misdemeanor if you're talking about business records whose statute of limitations had long run out.
I felt the judge allowed prejudicial information during the trial, which would be another grounds for appeal as well.
And this deals with, you know, never mind the Sixth Amendment rights of Donald Trump that were violated, but not even telling him up until the, what, last day what crime he was even being charged with, as every intelligent lawyer was pointing out as the trial was ongoing.
And as it relates to the two Supreme Court decisions and jury instructions, it clearly mandated unanimity of the jury on all issues involved.
You can't break it down with, well, I find them guilty for reason A, B, or C, but if you all agree it's guilty, that's okay.
That's exactly the opposite of what the decision said.
Sean, on the issue of the Sixth Amendment, to say that the defense was only aware of the underlying crimes a day or two before the trial started is absolutely incorrect.
Judge Murshon ruled on a motion that the defense filed and clearly indicated and apprised the defense of what the underlying crimes were.
There is precedent in New York State that a federal crime, if you commit a federal crime, that can be a justification for committing being found guilty of falsifying business.
Okay, let me, you know what?
You've caused me to go and pull out the actual decision.
Okay, let me read to you.
Okay, this is April 20th, 2020.
Supreme Court Ramos versus Louisiana that the Sixth Amendment right to a jury trial is incorporated against the states by the 14th Amendment requires a unanimous jury verdict in both state and federal criminal trials.
Okay, so in this particular case, you know, what the Supreme Court was doing, you know, is addressing the very specific issues and whether a defendant is entitled to a new trial if his convictions by a non-unanimous jury were final, but his sentences were under review, et cetera, at the time that Ramos was decided.
The court held that even if a defendant's sentence or resentencing is still on appeal, a defendant is not entitled to a new trial under Ramos once a direct review of its non-unanimous conviction is final.
All right, that's a separate issue in that particular case.
But when it comes to the issue of unanimity and the Sixth Amendment, they were very, very, very clear about it.
And that is, there has to be unanimity on all issues to have a conviction.
And they talked about a state trial and they talked about a federal trial.
And remember, they upgraded what was a statute of limitations past misdemeanor to even get to this novel legal theory.
And no, Donald Trump did not know what the actual charge was.
His lawyer didn't know.
And neither did any legal analyst on television know or writing in the Wall Street Journal or any of the top newspapers know.
Even fake news CNN commentators agreed with that.
You go and look at Judge Murshan's decision on the underlying motions filed.
It is clear as day that they were apprised of what the underlying crimes would be submitted to the jury.
It's clear as day.
He let in closing arguments, he allowed the prosecution to declare with certainty that there was a violation of federal election law.
And he let it be said dozens and dozens of times, campaign finance laws.
That had not been established at all in the case by the evidence in this case.
And to do that was prejudicial towards the jury on top of the instructions, which I would argue very clearly went against two Supreme Court decisions.
But we're going around in a circle.
I'm not going to convince you.
But the facts are very clear in this case.
And you could ask Greg Jarrett, Alan Dershowitz, Jonathan Turley, Andy McCarthy, Mark Levin, Judge Janine Pierrow.
They all agree with me.
Yes, I also believe they're partisan, okay?
We have to agree upon that.
And so are you a partisan.
You obviously are a partisan too.
So cut the crap about partisanship.
Just be honest about who you are.
Okay, regardless of my political stance, what I- Well, you're partisan.
I want you to hear and say, yes, I'm partisan.
I wanted Trump convicted.
Say it.
I will not say that I am partisan.
I will say that I tend to vote Democratic.
Okay.
Yeah, I can look at a case objectively and tell you.
Well, so could Mark Levin, Judge Janine Pirro, Greg Jarrett, Jonathan Turley, the law professor, Alan Dershowitz, the law professor at Harvard, and Greg Jarrett, who knows the law like the back of his hand.
Well, he's wrong about this, Sean.
No, they're right, and you're wrong.
Okay.
Because the language that I kept putting up on the screen and reading on this radio program is clear.
That case in Ramos is so distinguishable, what we have here.
Okay, we're now going in circles.
Do you have anything else to add?
Can I move on?
Last thought.
Hello?
And I got other callers.
What's your last thought?
Last thought.
There is more than a federal crime that would have been committed here.
There was a New York election statute that said you cannot interfere in election by all.
Then why didn't they charge him with the New York election statute?
Because they didn't.
Because you don't have to.
Okay.
So my question to you is, does a defendant have a right to know what they're being charged with?
A constitutional right?
100% they do, without question.
Okay.
Did Donald Trump know what he was being charged with?
The answer is no.
He was.
Listen.
No.
The answer is no.
That's wrong.
That is correct, too.
You're wrong again, Mr. Partison.
Did the indictment state the crime?
No.
No.
It's an upheld.
Thank you.
Okay, now let's go to the bookkeeping error, the underlying bookkeeping error.
Now, did Michael Cohn admit on the stand that he did this and admitted that he told people that he did this deal without the knowledge of Donald Trump?
Did he say that and admit that he told many people that?
That is correct.
Is that true?
Yes, he did.
Yes, he did.
Okay, so if he tells all these people that it's true, and we know he's a convicted, admitted liar, and now also a thief, do you think he should be charged with stealing from the Trump organization?
If they want to, sure, absolutely.
If they want to.
I didn't ask you if they want to.
If you steal from a company you're working for, should you be charged for that crime?
If the Trump organization wants to.
I didn't ask you.
It's not about the Trump organization.
He admitted on the stand.
He stole from a company.
Okay.
Tens of thousands of dollars.
You would need.
But if you're a star witness for the prosecution, they're going to overlook that, aren't they?
No.
Do you see what a partisan you are?
You know, you call here and you want to just dismiss all of these smart legal minds.
Now, Jonathan Turley's a Democrat.
Alan Dershowitz is a Democrat, like you.
And the difference between them and you is, well, they know a lot more about the law, number one.
And number two, they're not partisan like you are.
They're looking at the law.
And Dershowitz said in 60 plus years of practicing law, he's never seen a case this bad.
Greg Jarrett, 40 plus years practicing law, has never seen a case this bad.
The same goes for Turley.
The case goes for Andy McCarthy, and the case goes for Mark Levin.
Okay, so you know what?
I think you need to look inward and realize that you just wanted Trump convicted and you didn't give a damn how they got there.
Otherwise, you wouldn't be defending the indefensible.
Appreciate the call, man.
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We got a great Hannity tonight, 9 Eastern on the Fox News channel.
The full hour tonight, Donald J. Trump from Mar-a-Lago.
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