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I am so very excited about this.
I call him, and a lot of us are right now, the Michelangelo of America.
The American Michelangelo.
And he's of Italian descent, it just so happens.
But he is a master sculptor.
And he sculpted the National World War One Memorial, the very first one that's going to be installed in Washington, DC on September 13th.
I was in England to see that amazing piece of art.
And I am so pleased to have Saban Howard, the master sculptor, and America's Michelangelo joining me today.
How are you?
Hi Rose, how are you?
Um well, you just got back.
Yeah, I actually just landed uh at New York Airport half an hour ago.
So just got back from the UK, yeah.
You know, let's explain too the reason that you went there and you tried to find somewhere all across the country to uh accommodate your sculpture because the memorial is almost 60 feet long.
And it's amazing, but you couldn't, so you found a foundry in Stroud, England, and so there are about 30 some of us that came out to England for your first unveiling.
Yeah, this is this is a really, really radical pro-patria sculpture.
Um it's nothing like anything that's being done today.
I don't think there's a sculpture of this caliber quality and size in the last two hundred years.
And guess what?
We got it in our country.
So we're doing something right in our country.
I delivered a thirty-eight figure composition that looks like an Italian Renaissance piece.
It's gonna be unveiled on the thirteenth, and it is about our potential as a nation.
It tells the story of one soldier who leaves home, enters into war, is transformed, and then returns home to hand his daughter his helmet, which is that is the next generation, and that is World War Two.
So I'm I'm really proud of this piece, and uh I I I'm really excited to share this with the public.
You know, you should be proud of this piece for a number of reasons.
Number one, Sabin, when I was there, and by the way, your lovely way wife, Tracy was there, she was amazing, and she's been so supportive, and she is an artist by her own right, doing the a documentary on all of this, and we'll give all of that information in just a moment.
But you started this memorial commission back in 2016.
It has been eight years.
Did you ever once tire of the process?
That is a very long time to work on one project, and but it shows though, every minute that you put into that beautiful sculpture just shows.
That's the thing.
It's like we we're not making art anymore that people want to pay attention to, and it's like that's why art's fallen off the map.
So it's like I I've I've been doing this for 40 years, and so I have like a lot of training to get to get to this point.
And when I started the project, I had in in mind something that would be really you know, in the same tradition as Western civilization that's gonna like lay out what we can be as a human race.
And you you gotta think about it, because art, culture, it's a representation of who we are.
And so this is like in the mall.
It's it's a Pershing Park.
And and and so people come from all over the world and the country to see the history of our of our nation.
And that that was a mission I was given, and I had to make something that was like really interesting for people that are not artificial.
So I made a bronze, it's it's a bronze that's a movie in bronze.
You walk from left to right, and the story unfolds.
I used veterans as models, so they're fa you have Navy SEALs, you have marines, you have Rangers.
All of them had served in combat.
They all had experienced PTSD, and those faces are now on that wall forever because bronze beats mortality.
And I frankly, I I I'm I'm excited because it's like I'm not only like making something that people will be proud of for this country, but I'm saying this is what's possible.
And we've gone through uh a real garbage show in terms of what the art market and the art world has produced in the last I don't know how many you know decades, and I'm saying enough is enough.
You've got to make something that people get excited when they see it, and they feel good about themselves, and it's not divisive.
It's completely about Americans, and uh and so they were not Democrats or Republicans that went off for war.
Those were Americans.
And so it it I have a lot of like different types in the sculpture, and a lot of women in the sculpture as well, but that's not the point.
The point is that it's our country, and this sculpture represents our country on many levels.
And and so this this will be a big m moment on September 13th.
It goes along with the idea of making art great again.
So you get my drift.
Yes, it is and it is great.
I have to tell you that and we had Kelsey Grammar on earlier, and Sabin, you know that he's a huge fan of yours and your work.
He is such a uh an advocate for you.
He he adores your work, and so well he should.
And the thing too is that what I liked when I was there in England and listening to you talk about your work and in particular this beautiful piece of art, is that you talked about the humanity of it all.
You said this really and you did mention that again.
This we're not talking about politics here because when when you're in the trenches and you're there with your brother in arms, you're not asking him who he voted for.
You you guys are you've got each other's back.
You're you're watching out for each other.
And that war was one of the most cruelest wars.
Because of the chemical gas and the long range artillery, it drove that conflict to a new height of cruelty.
And then of course you had the pandemic, the flu, Spanish flu pandemic.
There were so many things that those men and women saw in the Great World, which became the first world war.
You captured that.
I listen, I was there with so many other people when you unveiled it.
I don't think there was a dry eye in the place.
And if art can do that to someone, then that's pretty magnificent.
It you gotta think about twenty-two million people die, and then the whole world changes.
There's no longer divine order, and you get into this nihilism and modernism, and they've been playing that for the last hundred years, it's damn boring at this time, it's redundant, and it's like I'm saying stop.
And and I think it's it goes along with a lot of things that are going on in this country where it's like stop.
And I don't want politics and the art, the art's about sacredness, because human beings are sacred, and so it's like the the sculpture sets a new uh time period about how we can make art that's actually uh elevating our consciousness, moving us forward into a new world that talks about like what can we be?
Rising to the occasion.
And and that's why I I was, you know, I worked for eight years.
I busted my butt to do this piece with a crew that was like unstintingly there for me, and including my wife, Tracy Slatten, which did is doing a documentary, she filmed every day.
So we're gonna make a documentary that shows the inside, the guts, the making of this piece on a really intimate level.
And that's what's gonna get people involved and excited.
It's like you gotta bring the community into this.
It's about we the people, it's not about we the elites.
I mean, that's that's what we're that's what we're fighting against.
It's enough of it.
And so it's like get let's give art back to the people, which means it's visual art, it's gotta be exciting for people visually.
It's it has to look beautiful, it has to be elevating, and it it has to be relational.
So all the figures on that wall, they're all relating to each other.
They're not isolated except one figure.
It's the shell shock guy.
He's the only guy who's alone because that's what happens to you when you go through war.
That's what happened to the world.
And that's what that's where we are right now.
It's like they want us to feel alone and not connected.
And ultimately, that's not the right way to run a country.
You gotta bring us together.
You gotta unify us.
You can't say, uh no, you guys are bad because you think differently than us.
That's not okay.
And I I would I would I had the same treatment as making this piece of art.
It's like, no, you're not doing what the rest of us are doing.
So that's like archaeological, but it's not.
It's ignorant and it's arrogant to to put that label on art.
So I'm excited that people will see this and they will judge for themselves what real art is.
But we we don't have a national monument in Washington, DC.
We don't have that.
So this is the fr I know there's something uh to memorialize World War One and I think Minnesota, but nothing like this, nothing on this scale.
This is the first time, right?
Yeah.
This is this is the first time on the mall that you are getting a national World War One memorial.
This war has been overlooked for far too long.
It's called the war to end all wars, but actually it's the war that begins all wars.
So it's like one conflict ever after another.
And now we've gotten into these like never ending wars that that there's no exit from them.
It's just a war machine with what Eisenhower called, you know, the idea of like the the industrial military industrial complex.
That's something that's very dangerous.
So I I I am against war.
I hate war.
I grew up in the Vietnam era, and I came to this project with the concept of make something that brings us together that shows human beings, because those are ultimately the ones that make the sacrifice.
Their families are the ones that will suffer forever.
You throw It's like if one person in a family dies, it's a ripple effect.
It's not only that one person, it's the whole family.
And it is the country as well.
You know, when we were in Stroud, we were at a great restaurant, by the way, and you had a lot of us there for dinner that night.
And your wife, Tracy, um led us, and it was just it was just let me just say that it was a fabulous time.
But people sitting around us that weren't part of our party, um people from Stroud, England, would come up to us one by one during the night and say, We enjoyed so much hearing you all talk over here, what you had to say, what the artist and his wife had to say.
It was really a lovely experience, so thank you for that.
Would you please tell the audience first of all where they can go to see Tracy's documentary where they can go to see uh all of what we've been talking about today?
And I'll tell you, it did bring me to tears.
An artist that can evoke such emotion, and everyone, Saban, everyone felt it, is uh an artist indeed.
You are America's Michelangelo, you really are.
And would you please tell people where to go to check it out?
And let's talk about the unveiling in Washington, DC.
Well, we've got a couple sites.
You go to SabinHoward.com, then uh I'm on Instagram as well, Sabin Howard Sculpture, and on uh X Sabin Howard, F-A-B-I-N Howard, and then Tracy's documentary is heroic documentary dot com.
That documentary is going to blow the roof off.
You because you're going to see human beings making something that has not been done for five hundred years.
And then on September thirteenth at 719, that is sunset.
We will ring a bell from a World War One ship that sank, and that's all it's been recovered from the UK, and a veteran is going to ring that bell with his young daughter, and then we are going to have a candlelight ceremony,
then, and I I expect a very large group of people to come, be unified, be peaceful, and do something that is sacred and meaningful, because if we don't take care of our country, no one else will.
And as an artist, I'm in service of others.
And I learned that from the veterans and the military that worked with me, and it is incredibly important to give back.
And i i and that's my message for you guys today.
Please come that night.
It is something that you will forever remember.
September thirteenth, seven nineteen PM, Pershing Park, Washington, DC, and check him out because Sabin, I just can't I I it's one thing for me to have interviewed you in the past and to look at the photographs and check out your website, but it's quite another thing altogether to see it in person.
It is overwhelming.
You captured what those people experienced uh during World War One so perfectly.
God bless you and thank you for what you've done.
Thank you very much.
Thank you for having me on, Rose.
I really appreciate it.
Absolutely.
Oh, it's my the honor is all mine.
Thank you.
America's Michelangelo.
Honestly, you gotta check it out.
It is beautiful, powerful, full of emotion and humanity.
You will love this.
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Welcome back to the Sean Hannity show.
My name is Rose, and thanks for joining me.
These three hours were almost through, but we couldn't end the show without having Greg Jarrett on.
You know him as a Fox News legal analyst and commentator.
He's the author of several books.
The latest one is The Trial of the Century, and also one of my favorites, the Russia hoax.
He's here today to kind of just explain to us everything that went down today, and if we have time, we'll talk about the Chevron decision.
Greg, how are you today?
Rose, good to be with you.
Thank you.
I I really want to try to understand this because obviously it came down uh exactly why as you might expect, along ideological lines, right?
It was a six-three opinion, and and with the opinion was delivered by John Roberts.
But why why is it that those three who dissented, and they they didn't do it in a nice way either.
They had some scathing remarks in their dissent.
Why do they not understand, or is this me that doesn't understand it, that this could be something that protects any president, whether it's a Democrat or Republican, that this is something that's important and is it and it offers protection.
Isn't that the case?
And why don't they see that?
They're blinded by their own political bias, which makes them myopic.
They can't see past the end of their noses.
Uh their dissents were striking for their exaggerated vitrail.
You know, what Kagan and Sodom Jackson fail to realize is as you point out, this seminal ruling protects Joe Biden.
It protects future Democrat presidents from the same kind of lawfare that Biden Democrats deployed against Donald Trump.
And hopefully the decision today forecloses the temptation by Republicans to exact revenge or retribution by exploiting or manipulating statutes to punish a political opponent.
So this is not at all a partisan decision.
Yeah, I mean, You won't hear that on CNN and MSNBC.
Um, the majority crafted a middle ground here, precisely as I said they would.
They rejected both sides that urge this absolutionist position, either no immunity all at all or complete immunity for everything.
Neither of those arguments made sense, but this ruling makes perfect sense.
Okay, uh yeah, and I agree with you, and I love how you phrase that because there could be retribution.
Some might say some Republican lawmakers or others might say, hey, let's get them back for this, you know, or if Trump gets back in office.
And this protects everyone, and it and and so it should be.
But here's what I don't understand, too, is if you could explain this to me, is the immunity claim for unofficial acts, but granting some immunity for official ones.
Can you kind of define all of that for me, please?
All right.
So understand this is not blanket immunity.
It's what I would call a conditional, albeit presumptive protection or immunity for only the official acts of a president, not private acts.
Um, you know, I as I said months ago, the court would likely adopt, and they did, the exact same standard enunciated in the Nixon versus Fitzgerald case four decades ago, nineteen eighty-two,
and the the court then said, in a very different court, it was a liberal court, uh, the burger court, they they said presidents should be shielded from civil liability as long as their acts, quote, fall within the outer perimeter of official duties.
If it were otherwise, the chilling effect on presidents would be severe.
And indeed today, in their decision, you can just read the syllabus if you don't want to read the whole long decision, but they repeat the Nixon standard, uh, outer perimeter of official duties.
Because the court said we want our chief executives to exercise decisions fearlessly and fairly without the threat of partisans later criminalizing otherwise legitimate actions.
But at the same time, the high court cautioned private or unofficial acts are not exempt or immune.
Again, exact same standard as the Nixon case.
They simply extended it to criminal culpability.
And I heard a lot of talk today about this.
Would you say all of these statements are true?
I've I've heard some say that, and I think you kind of touched on this, the opinion took a middle road approach in a sense, and that it was a win for the rule of law, and that it wasn't a political decision, although so many are suggesting that it is, or uh uh accusing the court of making a political decision.
Are those are all true statements, would you say?
Well, it is not a political decision, really, in the end.
No, I I don't think it is.
It was an impressively well reasoned decision supported by the constitutional principle that all presidents, rather they're Democrats or Republicans.
The chief executive, by virtue of the Constitution, has unique responsibilities that demand independence to function effectively.
Um you know, this I invite people to read it again, just read the syllabus, it's a summary, but it is so well reasoned that I don't think any person possessed of common sense could disagree, um, which excludes the legal commentators over at CNN and MSNBC.
Let's take this a step further now where Jack Smith is concerned and whether or not you think Donald Trump will actually see the inside of a criminal courtroom again, and is this going to stall Jack Smith's efforts?
What what's going to happen now?
What do you foresee happening?
Well, first of all, uh as I said on the air Friday night on Sean Show, um you know Jack Smith is probably having an apoplectic fit over the Fisher case.
You know, because the Supreme Court on Friday uh said, wait a minute, um the Biden Department of Justice under Merrick Garland uh is allowing rogue prosecutors like Jack Smith to bring cases by contorting the law.
What they did in three hundred and thirty J6 uh cases involving rioters is they used the wrong statute.
They they used an obstruction statute that deals with the tampering of evidence and the shredding of documents.
Well, that that's not what happened on J6.
But it was classic Jack Smith who has a reputation of mangling facts and twisting the law to suit his own partisan purposes.
And it been spanked previously by the Supreme Court unanimously for doing it in the Governor Bob McDonald case.
Well, he did it again against Donald Trump.
So that essentially knocks out half of his case against Trump in the Washington, DC uh felony uh trial.
And that leaves him with two uh criminal charges.
One of them is fraud.
But wait a minute.
He used the wrong statute yet again.
That fraud statute deals with money and property.
That's not what happened on January 6th.
That leaves with violating voter rights.
But wait a minute.
Democrats challenged electors on January 6th in 2017.
They tried to overturn Trump's election and install Hillary Clinton.
But you know, when Democrats do it, Rose, it's perfectly fine and legal.
When a guy with a last name of Trump does it, it is a crime.
It's absurd dual system of justice.
It's selective prosecution, and it's wrong.
Yeah, or if you have an R, not just Trump, if if you've got an R before your name.
It's just it's a shame it really is.
And then you have others, and I have to I I it begs the question do you even know what you're talking about?
AOC was out there today just having a fit over all of this.
And i I just in the end, I am astounded by the ability of those on the left to just overlook the facts, to overlook how this protects everyone, not just someone with an R or whose name happens to be Trump.
It just it's astounding to me.
Absolutely astounding.
You know, she never graduated from reading Dick and Jane books.
Um she really ought to read my book on the Constitution.
Um, if you disagree with the Supreme Court decision, that um doesn't mean that the justices uh committed a uh high crime and misdemeanor or bribery or treason.
You know, I I said before on the air, uh I don't know how AOC manages to think with that brain of first.
Um and what is one of the great mysteries uh of the world is how she continues to get re-elected.
It's really amazing.
She wants to impeach SCOTUS justices after all, after the decision.
Anyway, Greg, it's always a pleasure, and I thank you so much for just shedding on all of this, explaining it to us.
Interesting day today for sure.
Last few days, actually, last week has been very interesting.
Thank you for all that you do.
I appreciate you.
Thanks, Rose.
All right, take care.
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I had so much fun with all of you.
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I mean, I was having one of those days.
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You know, it's an interesting show today, and there's a book that I really enjoyed.
I mean, this goes all the way back to the late 1980s when I first got this book.
It's called America's Providential History.
It's still available, believe it or not.
I checked it out for you before I came to do the show tonight.
But a lot of what we talked about, too, I've I've reaped from that book just a lot about our providential history, and I think you would be blessed by it, especially this week.
But I wanted to close with this reminder from Ronald Reagan.
In his farewell address, Reagan warned this national feeling is good, but it won't count for much, and it won't last unless it is grounded in the thoughtfulness and knowledge.
Are we doing a good enough job teaching our children what America is and what she represents in the long history of the world?
We've got to teach history based not on what's in fashion, but what's important.
Think about that.
That is so powerful.
We need to teach our children what America is and what she represents.
Then in his National Day of Prayer proclamation that he gave on May 6, 1982, he's spoken of of an event of history of importance.
The most sublime picture in American history, and we talked about this today, is of George Washington on his knees and the snow at Valley Forge.
That image personifies a people who know that it is not enough to depend on our own courage and goodness, but we must also seek help from God, our Father and Preserver.
So can we today, all of us together, you know, meet that challenge that the Tennessee governor put forth, Lee?
That 31 days starting today of prayer and fasting, fasting when you can, when the doctor permits, how he permits, but prayer and fasting for the next 31 days for our nation, for the people in that nation.
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I'm asking you to pray about the things that we are facing today.
Difficult times at the grocery store, crime, violence, fentanyl, human trafficking.
There's a lot going on in this country.
Let us all commit to prayer and fasting together for these next 31 days.
Imagine what miracles we can see, not just for the nation, but for each of us individually.
God bless you all.
God bless you.
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