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May 30, 2024 - Sean Hannity Show
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Jury Requests Analyzed - May 29th, Hour 1

Sean reviews the jury requests for additional information that came through today's Trump trial.  What does it all mean?  Sean has his two cents.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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If you want to join us for three hours and thirty-eight minutes, the jury has been deliberating posts, getting jury instructions from uh Judge uh Juan Mershawn, but uh probably the most uh corrupt, abusively biased judge I've ever seen in my life, but that's a story we'll get into in in some specificity and detail.
Uh and as I said from the beginning of this case, uh Donald Trump cannot get a fair trial in New York.
We've already seen this in the civil trial where a judge named Erdogan, you know, would just locked in to this insane valuation of Mar-a-Lago at $18 million, and and we've gone over that in great specificity and and great detail.
But what what really just is what are you saying in my ear, Linda?
Text.
Oh, text.
You want me to stop my monologue that I'm gonna do.
Well, I was trying to be incognito about it, but so much for that.
We just wanted to alert you that the defendants and the jurors were just called back into the room.
We don't know if it's a verdict or a note from the jury or what, but we're just alerting you to that, sir.
Okay, what we know is uh that the jurors and the defendants are back in the courtroom.
Okay.
I have no idea why that would be.
And if it is, maybe they have a verdict.
They haven't announced it yet.
If they do, usually you're given time.
Uh I do know that all the parties were staying on location at the courtroom.
In other words, Donald Trump did not go back to Trump Tower, and that all parties remained in the courtroom.
And if the verdict is back this quickly, I would not expect a good verdict.
That's my my take, but I don't think it's a verdict this early.
We'll see.
And anyway, the jury must act unanimously.
But what really happened here, and and one of the one of the most amazing things, usually they would send notes to a judge and not be brought back into the courtroom and not bring the defendant back into the courtroom.
I have no idea what's going on here.
Could be a verdict, and if it is, we'll bring it to you live as it happens.
Um but anyway, so one thing in particular, and then the jury instructions were given today, and they were as I expected, but in the lead up to this is we saw the absolute destruction, especially of the prosecution's case and their key witness, their star witness, and that would be Michael Cohn.
He was just eviscerated and gutted when a cross-examination took place and exposed to in in a lie, for example, on the issue of the phone call with Keith Schiller and and the kid that apparently had been prank calling him, etc.
etc.
etc.
So where did you see that, by the way?
Because it's not on Fox yet.
I'm looking.
It is.
It says the jury is currently deliberating.
It's a prosecution.
Oh, the prosecution and the Trump team are back in court.
Because the jury may have a note or the jurors may be being brought back in.
They don't know yet.
Okay.
Well, you said the jurors were brought for a bracket brought back in the middle of the case.
Potentially being brought back in for a jury note or a potential verdict.
Nobody knows very much right now.
We're on jury watch.
It would usually be a note if we're going to look at that, but if the it sounds to me like a question is at being asked.
That's what it sounds like at this at that that's my best.
I know what the question is.
Why are we all here?
This is so dumb.
That would be my question.
That would be I wish that was the case.
I wish you were on the jury.
Oh, listen, if I was on that jury, I'd be the fore woman.
I would knock it out of the park.
Oh, I'm sure you would.
You'd have everybody unanimous verdict, not guilty.
Absolutely.
All right.
Anyway, so the prosecution, the Trump team are back in the courtroom.
I have spies there, and hopefully I'll get a text or two and find out what's actually going on there.
All right.
Now, before the jury, you know, entered, remember the the the idea that this judge now, and I kept using the analogy that he's taken the scales of justice, and he's been placing cinder blocks on it because he had to save this case from the prosecution because the prosecution got destroyed.
And their star witness got destroyed.
And the entire case was in in jeopardy.
and basically everything that they were arguing.
Now remember, we we can't negate the the other issues that are involved here that are relevant, you know, because I found it pretty interesting that Donald Trump, and I'll play this later uh in the program today, you know, he didn't sound particularly optimistic today, saying that even Mother Teresa couldn't beat these charges based on what has happened in the final days of this case.
And the final days of this case, remember uh you you had an an FEC chairman who wanted to testify on what the actual law was and they prevented him from doing that.
Bradley Smith is his name.
I've interviewed him.
He said no crime was committed.
That's why the FEC didn't go after him.
That's why Cy Vance didn't go after Donald Trump on this.
That's why the SDNY didn't go after him on this that's why even Joe Biden's weaponized Justice Department did not go after him on this.
So there were reasons for all of that, but the case as it began to fall apart we began to see oh okay now we now we're beginning to see the true colors of Judge Mershaw and you know we did see it every time that the defense would object that defense that that objection was overruled and and you know he gave very different treatment and all the latitude in the world to the the prosecution in this case you know but the fact that he says that oh we're not going to listen to Bradley Smith an expert on the law and
And that's that novel legal theory that they've been using, that somehow they're going to bypass the statute of limitations on this.
What would otherwise be a misdemeanor bookkeeping error.
And we're going to turn this into a campaign finance violation, something that had never happened before.
You know, which is why the judge had to give as part of his jury instructions today the option to only convict on misdemeanors.
He doesn't give them that option.
He can't give them that option because the statute of limitations...
have run out on that option on that option.
Yeah they're now reporting on Fox that it it's unclear if there is a jury note.
If there is a note usually it'll get reported because somebody will leak it so we will know probably within this hour and then the judge saying well that will be my job that the parties are not to go into what the law is this is a court of law.
These are lawyers representing in this case a defendant Donald Trump who's presumed innocent you know that's that this should worry everybody that it's only going to be his interpretation of the law.
You know the fact that the Steinglass denied Stormy Daniels was trying to extort Trump well one must go back to her January 10, 2018 letter where she said to whom it may concern I recently became aware certain news outlets are alleging that I had a sexual andor a romantic affair with Donald Trump many many years ago I'm stating with complete clarity that this is absolutely false.
My involvement with Donald Trump was limited to a few public appearances and nothing more when I met Donald Trump he was gracious, professional a complete gentleman to me and everyone in my presence rumors that I received hush money from Donald Trump are completely false.
If indeed I I did have a relationship with Donald Trust Trump, trust me, you wouldn't be reading about it in the news you'd be reading about it in my book but the fact of the matter is these stories are not true.
OK.
All right.
It is a jury note.
We have that confirmed.
All right.
We'll find out what that jury note is.
That means, I guess, questions have arisen as to the law.
And I assume that Judge Mershon will put more cinder blocks on on the side of the prosecution.
But then we have the issue of Bob Costello, who would have impeached pretty much all of the testimony of Michael Cohen and said none of it is true and none of it can be be taken in.
truth and if he was allowed to even go deeper he would have implicated the da himself because he spent an hour and a half he says on a zoom call saying that he laid out all the exculpatory evidence before the case was brought to the grand jury which would have obligated alvin bragg and his team to bring that information of the grand jury which is a violation of the law in new york now steinglass just dismissed cohen's admitted you know theft of of of the trump organization well you know
he you can't blame him you know he felt like he was done wrong here and and he struggles you know amounted to he earned millions and millions of dollars millions of dollars in this in this case for crying out loud as a result of of his working for Donald Trump between books and podcasts, etc., etc.
But then it got worse from there.
Because, you know, then he has the whole meltdown, clear the courtroom incident with Bob Costello.
And what else are we saying?
Jury request Cone and Pecker testimony.
That's what they're asking for.
I don't know why they'd want Cohn testimony.
Okay, you just sent it to me.
Hang on.
Let me take a look at it.
Uh all right, here we are.
So the jury request number one.
We the jury request David Pecker's testimony regarding phone conversation with Donald Trump while Pecker was in investor meeting.
Two, jury request two, Pecker testimony about a decision not to finalize and fund the assignment of McDougall's life rights.
Three Pecker testimony regarding the Trump Tower meeting.
Four, Michael Cohn testimony regarding Trump Tower meeting.
Okay.
I I'm not sure if you can read anything into that.
I really don't.
But anyway, back to the judge in this case.
You know, they they go into great, great, you know, detail on things that had absolutely no relevance in this case.
It was, you know, the fact that the judge let Stormy Daniels drone on and on talking about dead people and salacious sexual escapades without stopping it is just pretty unbelievable to me.
And the prosecutors, you know, just said Trump gave his orders.
What do you mean Trump gave his orders to Alan Weisselberg, who the defense didn't want to call the prosecution didn't want to call because he would have contradicted Cohn.
They're the ones that didn't call him.
And he's not far away because he's in Rikers Island at 76 years of age.
And the worst part of what happened yesterday, and this is where the big cinder blocks were put on the scales of justice.
Nothing from the judge and nothing from the defense.
The jury was told dozens of times by the prosecution that the payments were campaign violations, and the judge allowed that false claim to go uncontradicted again and again and again yesterday.
You know, they're out there saying that Trump lied, denying that they were campaign contributions, and the judge treated all of that as argument.
And Steinglass making the statement of laws contradicted by a wide variety of experts, and there's been no evidence that that case was made.
And by allowing prosecutors to repeatedly state that these transactions were campaign violations, Mershawn turned this into, you know, basically, you know, a slam dunk case against Donald Trump.
Allowed prosecutors to quote even from books on how Trump said you should attack those that attack you.
You know, Steinglass refers to a re a tweet from Trump and says that's intending to threaten a witness.
The judge finally sustained the objection, which he was not willing to do.
I mean, they're basically able to act with utter impunity.
I kind of like the way that it was described by Jonathan Turley, and I think he's right in his description of this.
Mershawn seems to have kept the defense in a small neighborhood and allowing the prosecutors to go globetrotting with what is prejudicial and improper references that they were able to get away with again and again and again.
Then it all culminates today in jury district jury instructions.
And uh in other words, the judge said the jurors, you know, delivering a verdict.
He said there's no need to agree on what has occurred.
They can disagree on what the crime was among the three choices.
He's talking about three choices.
In other words, they could split four people believe he's guilty for reason A, four people believe for reason B, four people believe for reason C, and the judge would judge would still treat them unanimously, meaning it a unanimous guilty verdict.
There's a big problem with that that that judge instruction.
And the problem is that jurors do not have he's saying jurors don't have to agree unanimously on what crime Trump committed.
And it's that's that that is all cinder blocks again on the scales of justice.
Because the U.S. Supreme Court has held.
Unanimity and jury verdicts is absolutely required under the Sixth Amendment and the Seventh Amendment of our Constitution.
And that requirement extends to all issues.
You don't get to say, well, I think he's guilty for reason A, and I think he's guilty for reason B, and I think he's guilty for reason C. To find somebody guilty, as per the U.S. Supreme Court, jurors must always agree without dissent on every necessary element of the purported crime.
This is an indispensable feature of jury trials.
And again, more cinder blocks on the scales of justice in this courtroom.
And maybe Trump in the end is right.
Maybe Trump is right.
Maybe Trump can't, you know, maybe Mother Teresa herself, you know, couldn't get a fair verdict in this case.
She couldn't beat these charges.
You know, but it is amazing.
And I said this on Fox and Friends this morning, and I'll reiterate it now.
I don't care what the outcome is in this case, because it will be overturned on appeal.
There's way too many avenues on appeal.
That's number one, but that may happen after the election.
But number two, I don't think it's going to impact this election at all.
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Just like Mar-a-Lago is worth closer to a billion dollars than 18 million.
I'll show you all the property.
I've put it on TV before.
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We'll check in with Greg Jarrett, David Schoen, uh, former a uh Arizona A.G., uh Mark Bernovich will be here as well.
Uh got a note from a lawyer friend of mine.
You know, do you read anything or glean anything from these notes?
Uh quote, nothing.
Reading tea leaves.
I'm guessing the jurors are simply reviewing testimony in chronological order, which would be a logical thing to do.
Uh, they now have been deliberating four hours and and six minutes, but yeah, I think cinder blocks have been placed on the scales of justice as I've been going through in great detail in this case.
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So the way this is going to play out with these four requests and questions of the jury is they will be brought back into the courtroom and they will be read back the testimony that they are requesting.
So we're going to watch that very, very closely and see what happens here.
The judge went into great specificity in terms of jury instructions.
One of the things he did do is kind of encourage the jurors to, oh, just come back to me.
But this is where the judge now has crossed another line and put another ten cinder blocks on the scales of justice when he said that, you know, jurors have the ability, you know, you don't have to agree on what occurred.
You can just agree or think that a crime occurred, but you don't have to agree on what you believe the crime was or or the reason for the crime.
They can disagree on what the crime was among three choices.
You gotta be kidding me.
So you can have four jurors picking uh option number A for choosing option B and four choosing option C, and the judge would still treat all of them like unanimous verdict, which is beyond outrageous and unprecedented.
And, you know, the unfortunately we have a Supreme Court that has ruled on this very issue and upheld that unanimity in a jury and a jury verdict is required under the Sixth and Seventh Amendment.
That requirement extends to all issues.
In other words, if you want to find someone guilty, jurors always agree without dissent on every necessary element of the purported crime.
Now that is a huge feature as it relates to jury trials.
You know, it's it's pretty unbelievable to me that this judge, again, just making up stuff as he goes along.
Why?
Because uh because this judge wants to wants to get the verdict that he wants, and he's working very hard and has been working hard to throw this lifeline to the prosecution because they did such a horrible job with their star witnesses.
Unbelievable times.
Unbelievable.
But, you know, these are the times we're living in.
It's it should shock any principal jurist.
Jurors, you know, the idea that they don't have to agree unanimously on what crime Trump allegedly committed.
I mean, is so antithetical to what our our own constitution and our own Supreme Court has actually ruled on.
A pretty amazing time that we're living in.
You know, Alan Dershowitz said something very interesting.
He said, and he's been very good on this case, and is a liberal democrat.
And he said, if there's a conviction here, it will change the justice system forevermore.
And he said it will weaponize the system.
It will mean that both sides will try to use the legal system as a way of winning elections.
If there's an acquittal, maybe at least we can say the jury system works.
But if there's a conviction or even a hung jury.
It will show the prosecution benefits from bringing a case which is uh in this case, no crime at all.
And he was in the courtroom, by the way, and he saw the meltdown as it relates to Bob Costello.
It's it's insane.
You know, and if you want to know where the media stands, now let me make a prediction.
There's a guilty verdict, it's gonna be like an orgasmic experience for them.
They won't be able to contain their giddiness, their happiness, all that they've tried to do from Russia, Russia, Russia, stormy, stormy, stormy, impeachment one, impeachment two, January 6th, democracy in peril.
All the arguments they want to make, they will they will feel they finally got them on a hundred and thirty thousand dollar non-disclosure agreement that was that was literally, I guess on the ledger, put down what it rightly was a legal expense.
Michael Cohn testified that he told people he did all of this on his own.
All of it.
And he said that, yeah, I told all these people that, but then claims he didn't tell them that.
But he is a convicted, admitted liar and and now thief on top of it.
What's amazing is, and this is how out of touch and corrupt the media is, and the mob is.
You know, Katie Kirk, charter member of the Trump derangement, get Trump media mob, admitting she's shocked, she's surprised that Joe Biden's lawfare strategy against Trump has not worked.
I mean, here she is, liberal former news hanker Katie Courick, not that anyone really cares what she has to say, but expressing her shock that former President Trump appears to be gaining popularity due to his legal troubles rather than being sunk by them.
Quote, it seems that Donald Trump has the edge right now, despite all of his legal woes and the fact that you know he's on trial in Stormy Daniels and Michael Cohn, and he seems to be surprisingly surprisingly gaining momentum, not losing it.
Then admitted that some of Biden's polling numbers are a result of his refusal or inability to do more media interviews.
It would behoove him to get out there more.
Okay, he was out there.
Linda, I sent you a picture that James gave me of the crowd in Philadelphia.
Apparently he was playing the race card today again.
He's trying, he's trying desperately to shore up his dramatically falling base of African Americans, Hispanic Americans, and young people.
We actually have audio of him, Sean, trying to put words together.
Do you want to hear it?
Oh, shocking, trying to put words together.
Yeah, sure.
We'll never forget, lying around.
And how are you us him lying around, actually?
They're trying to erase black history.
We're gonna write black history because it's American history.
Wonderful.
But Joe Biden was on the view saying that, oh, he's gonna show America just how smart he is in this debate.
I'm like, okay.
I don't know.
How much Red Bull can Joe actually drink before a debate?
And he's not gonna have the benefit of the teleprompter that he did have at the State of the Union address where he was so jacked up he didn't even allow the speaker of the House to, you know, my high privilege, distinct honor, and previlege to introduce the president of the United States, blah, blah.
Everyone stands and claps.
No, Joe just went right into a speech, and he's photo.
Okay, I'm done.
Let's go.
But I'm sure it was just Red Bull.
But maybe he was just excited to see everybody.
I don't know.
But you want to see how smart Joe Biden is going to be during the debate?
Well, the the debate, listen to Joe Biden.
But I think the American people deserve a debate because you need to see your choices.
You need to see Trump, and you need to see the president.
And you need to see the differences.
And my husband's, and you're gonna see how smart he is and the experience he has.
And then you'll see somebody who, like you're saying, I'm gonna use Joyce words, can't put a sentence together.
And everything is beautiful, and it's one tremendous.
The political coverage.
look Some of the political Players and some of the let me ask a rhetorical question.
No, and here's something I'm sure the mob and the media will ignore.
The first lady of the United States saying that this election, Americans are going to choose good over evil.
Now, I've known this for a long time that conservatives are viewed as like a dark force, and they have this sense that they alone have a monopoly on all virtue.
But if you don't agree with them, you know, you you don't have any, and that you're basically the enemy.
That's what she's saying.
That we're what?
If you don't agree with Joe, you're evil.
Listen.
We are going to meet people where they are.
We're going to go to college campuses.
We're going to go to just every state that we can get into.
I've been traveling every single day.
Joe has been traveling as much as he's as possible.
And we're not going to take anything for granted.
And those polls are going to turn.
I'm confident of it.
Because as time goes on and as people start to focus a little bit more about what's at stake and start to become educated on the issues and the differences between them the two men.
I believe that Americans are going to choose good over evil.
Evil.
Good over evil.
Wow.
You know, what happened when Donald Trump said the media is the enemy of the people.
Oh, they lost the city.
I don't think that's the big talking point of that cut, though.
Did you hear what she almost said?
She said, I'm traveling every day, and Joe is trying to travel as much as he can.
As much as he can.
Or as much as he's able.
Who knows?
You know, she is a doctor of education.
She's probably a wordsmith, I'm sure.
Everything's at stake this November.
She said, We'll lose all of our rights if there's another Republican on the Supreme Court.
No, we won't lose all the time.
We'll get into every state that we can.
You're the first lady.
Where can't you go?
Give me a break.
We can go to every state that she wants.
But I mean, the the fact that the judge allowed this allowed this jury, allowed this prosecutor to mislead the jury and just outright lie to them.
I mean, and and the fact that they were allowed to I mean, the fact that they had to rehabilitate Cohn spoke volumes.
But then later they're just allowed to pretty much carte blanche to just just draw out allegations and lay out Donald Trump's guilty of, you know, uh election fraud, blah, blah, blah, blah, and it went on and on and on.
And it's a false claim.
And it was allowed to stand as just uncontradicted.
You know, that these are campaign violations.
No, that's what the jury is supposed to decide here.
You know, you forget that in America, the accused have a right to know what they're being accused of.
You know, these are fundamental concepts enshrined in our Constitution and our Fifth Amendment, our Sixth Amendment.
And yet we're now learning on the fly what the prosecution has been doing all these weeks at the end of the at the end of the trial.
You know, as far as this election law violation, you know, you've got to understand here.
They're really pointing to a federal election law crime.
And how they're doing this is still unclear.
But of course, the judge didn't bring any of this, you know, in uh allow any discussion.
Only I will be the one that interprets the law.
Well, it's a court of law.
We have experts.
Bradley Smith would have been a really good expert.
I interviewed him, and he would have told the jury that it's not a crime.
But the judge, of course, cinder blocks on the scales.
The justice not going to let that happen.
The Biden donor judge at the that was selected in this case.
I mean, it all you just got to go back to the very, very beginning here and all the things that we now know about this trial.
And everything is got to be understood here.
The judge is a Biden donor.
I told you from day one, you could not get a fair trial in New York, regardless and regardless of the outcome.
And I still hold out some hope of a hung jury.
I don't believe that an acquittal is even on the table, to be very honest with you, based on the jury And jury selection and the venue in which Donald Trump is being tried.
I think the best hope is that he can get a hung jury.
Pretty unbelievable.
What else did we learn?
A DA ran on a get Trump platform.
We learned Costello had exculpatory information purposely withheld from the grand jury involved in indicting Trump.
We know the judge's actions, you know, against Costello.
He lost his mind.
Bradley Smith, you know, who could have explained the law, wasn't allowed to fully testify.
Jury instructions, exactly what I predicted they would be.
Unconstitutional, which I didn't predict, but I predicted they would be biased.
There's a reason the DOJ, the FEC, the SDNY, Alvin Bragg's predecessor, Cy Vance, and Bragg himself initially didn't want this case.
The misdemeanor whose statute of limitations had long passed, a novel legal theory that allows what, a city jurisdiction to upcharge to a federal election felony?
A star witness, an admitted liar, felon, and now thief.
NDAs are not illegal.
Catch and killed, not illegal.
Stormy can drone on about anything.
All the selections in you when you in the UNDO you want.
Talk about dead people.
No problem.
But, you know, the defense was in a box.
Unbelievable.
There's so many reasons if there is a guilty verdict that'll be overturned on appeal.
But I'm telling you, it's not going to impact the election.
I stand by that.
I believe that part with all my heart, but it doesn't make it any better, does it?
And I tell you this.
I'll tell you this.
Assuming that Republicans win this next election, I would never want Republicans or conservatives to ever do this to any Democrat because I believe in our constitution.
we should have fidelity to our Constitution.
Sean Hannity.
Sean Hannity.
All right, as we roll along, well, we're waiting for the judge to get back in the courtroom, and there's going to be a read back, four separate requests that have come in from the jury, which we've gone over in great specificity and great detail, and we will find out, you know, what the judge has to say about it.
What they're looking for in a readback is we the jury request David Pecker's testimony regarding phone conversation with Donald Trump while Pecker was in the investor meeting.
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