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Bill O'Reilly - May 15th, Hour 2
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All things simple man, Bill O'Reilly, and we'll get his take on this debate issue.
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Joe Biden was very, very tough today.
Make my day, pal.
And he challenged, although they had to edit it six times, which is beyond odd, but he got out his 13 seconds, and this is what he said.
Donald Trump lost two debates to me in 2020.
The sense said he hadn't shown up for debate.
Now he's acting like he wants to debate me again.
Well, make my day, pal.
I'll even do it twice.
So let's pick the dates, Donald.
I hear you're free on Wednesdays.
Okay, well, Donald Trump said he's in.
Now, here's the interesting part.
He only agreed to four networks, and he wants all of this only on his terms.
Let's see.
Fake news CNN, which just denounced fake Jake Tapper and the most biased, quote, phony, basically a TV talk show host that claims to be a journalist, and Dana Bash will be moderating.
Okay.
No, I don't think so.
Dana, maybe.
Maybe Wolf with Dana.
I don't know.
But I certainly, fake Jake doesn't qualify.
We'll get to that in a second.
Then, of course, ABC.
And Trump said, okay, that can't be George Stephanopoulos.
I mean, he just said democracy's in peril because of Donald Trump, pretty much, and that the deep state has really great people in it and everything.
I don't think he's exactly the guy that I would be looking to moderate any debate.
And then he said, Telemundo and CBS.
Well, what about Fox News?
Fox News.
Now, Donald Trump has also accepted an invitation that was extended to him from Fox News to do a debate.
And he was very clear.
He put out a truth social post saying that he accepts the challenge and that he'd be willing to debate on Fox News with Martha McCallum and with Brett Baer.
I mean, I think that's pretty fair on Donald Trump's part.
You know, if we're going to allow fake news, CNN, and ABC, which are corrupt and abusively biased, then, oh.
And then when Trump puts out that he's accepted a third debate, yeah, they're playing games.
You're playing games.
It's not fair.
It's got to be on our terms.
Please let this truth serve to represent.
I hereby accept debating crooked Joe Biden on Fox News.
The date will be Wednesday, October the 2nd.
The host will be Brett Baer and Martha McCallum.
Thank you, DJT.
Anyway, Trump responded immediately.
Let's get ready to rumble and put out a long, long truth social post.
Crooked Joe Biden is the worst debater I've ever faced.
He can't put two sentences together.
Crooked is also the worst president in the history of the U.S. by far.
It's time for a debate so that he can explain to the American people his highly destructive open border policy, new and ridiculous EV mandates, allowance of crushing inflation, high taxes, his really weak foreign policy, which is allowing the world to catch on fire.
I'm ready and willing to debate Crooked Joe.
And at the two proposed times in June and September, I'd strongly recommend more than two debates for and for excitement purposes, a very large venue.
Although Biden is supposedly afraid of crowds, that's only because he doesn't get them.
Just tell me when I'll be there.
Let's get ready to rumble.
So the negotiation has begun, but then Biden only has four media outlets.
Excuse me.
Four liberal media outlets.
By the way, Robert Kennedy's pissed.
You know, he says that they're afraid I'd win the debate.
Well, CNN put out their criteria.
You have to be at 15% in the polls that they choose and also have enough state, be on enough state ballots to win an electoral victory.
All right, let's play fake Jake Tapper.
Then we'll get reaction from Matt Towery.
And probably the real reason Biden is doing this is his polls are just in the sewer, if he even really means it.
But anyway, let's see what the very fair fake Jake Tapper is really all about.
We're back with breaking news in our politics lead.
CNN is now learning that Christopher Steele, the British spy who authored the Trump-Russia dossier, alerted the FBI in July 2016 because he was so concerned then-candidate Donald Trump may have been vulnerable to blackmail.
This is evidence of willingness to commit collusion.
He wants it released, but I'm not sure what you're saying.
The media got wrong, but the media reported what the investigation was going on.
Other than the people in the media on the left, not on this network, I don't know anybody who got anything wrong.
President Trump and others are trying to say that the FBI is corrupt and they had this Steele dossier, which they say has been discredited, which is not entirely true.
There's obviously a big move to undermine the Mueller investigation.
And we see it all the time with all.
The witch hunt.
The witch hunt, the hoax.
The idea that there are members of Congress or whoever trying to stop an investigation from going forward into what happened so we can make sure it doesn't happen again.
It is tired.
It's weird.
It's not just weird.
It's unpatriotic.
It's interesting you say that.
I agree.
I think that does sum up the night, both Biden saying that and Trump's response.
And I think one of the reasons why, in my view, it did not work, although I'm sure it worked with the MAGA bubble, because they think that anybody that expresses affection for their son or empathy for someone they don't know is weak.
But I think that's what it's indicative of.
President Trump lives in an atmosphere of disinformation, false information, reinforcing itself.
And that's why some of the things, some of the punches he threw at Joe Biden, I don't think landed, because unless you were Sean Hannity, you probably had no idea what he's doing.
The president, even though he leaned into it a little bit, but he didn't really go full bore, which I think was wise, or at least not stupid.
He is running the single most negative, sleazy campaign in American history for a major party candidate.
The campaign that Trump and his allies in the media and his members of his family and the Trump allied websites and such are leveling with charges so heinous, I'm not even going to say them.
Just nonsense, crap, tied into QAnon, tied into Pizzagate, tied into the worst things you could say about a person with no evidence, just completely made up, is so disgusting and so beneath what this election should be.
And I just want viewers at home to be ready because all of their grandparents' Facebook feeds and all of the Twitter, Twitter sphere, and it's going to be so heinous over the next 11 days.
And people should just be prepared for it.
The president leaned into some of it.
Generally, just some of the slea, baseless accusations, not the worst, but it's going to get a lot worse.
He claims to be a journalist.
He is a liberal, left-wing, radical, Democratic, liberal talk show host.
That is, I'm a talk show host, but I admit who I am.
And yeah, I'm a member of the press, and I do straight news and investigative reporting.
And guess what?
You want to talk about the king of disinformation and false information?
That would be fake Jake.
Anyway, here for a reaction is Matt Towery.
Matt, I thought it was brilliant of Trump to say, yeah, I'm also doing the Fox debate.
Now you do Fox.
Yeah, I agree.
I have a couple of takes on this debate thing.
I think, first of all, if you think about it, Sean, an early, a June debate, much earlier than we expected if there were going to be any debates at all, does one of two things.
Either Joe Biden somehow wins it, which I don't think is likely, or Joe Biden gets creamed and the Democrats have a reason to pull his ticket because his polling numbers are disastrous.
And, you know, I'm known as the Dr. No of the pollsters who talk about the GOP.
Well, you run insider advantage.
You have been rated one of the best pollsters consistently over the years.
You haven't gotten everything right, but pretty darn close.
Well, but I also tend to be pretty tough on Republicans.
Every pollster comes from their background.
Most pollsters come from academia or the Democrats.
I come from a background of having been a Republican, but we try to make sure that we're down the middle.
We call things the way they are.
In fact, I'm rated by 538 as having a slight Democratic bias, which gets me to my Dr. No moniker because I'm always on this show and other shows saying, okay, Republicans aren't running ads.
Republicans aren't doing this right.
It's going to be difficult.
And I believe all of that's still the case.
But there is no doubt.
I polled all of these swing states for Fox Affiliates, most of them, for Fox affiliates in the past years.
There is no doubt that the New York Times CNA poll, which showed Trump winning in almost all these swing states, is correct.
And I don't know if you saw the poll today that shows that Trump is behind Biden by only two points in a survey USA poll in Minnesota.
So he's spreading the field.
And I think there is a panic among the Biden organization.
But think about it.
I mean, they have a debate.
If it takes place, Biden somehow goes in that hyperbolic chamber of his or whatever he does get so amped up and has some great performance.
And then suddenly, he's back in the ballgame.
Or more than likely, Trump just thrashes him.
And then the Democrats start saying, we've got to do something.
And I think that's what this is all about.
All right.
Let me ask you this, because I think this is very, very important.
And I really want to get to the bottom of all this.
And that is really, really simply here.
Look at these polls.
Trump lost Nevada in 2016 and 2020.
He's up by 12.
He's up in Arizona by 7.
He's up in Michigan by 7.
He's up in your former state of Georgia by 10.
He's up in Pennsylvania by 3.
Now, you tell me, is Joe Biden, his campaign had been saying they don't believe the polls?
Are they full of Adam Schiff or what?
No, let me tell you, those polls are correct.
They're certainly within the margin of error.
And now, some of them, I think, are a little overboard.
But let me explain one thing to your listeners, Sean, and that is that when we wait a poll, in other words, we get the responses.
And then at some point, we've got to decide what percent of the African-American vote is going to turn out, what percent of Hispanic, what percent of white voters are going to turn out Republican versus Democrat independent.
And that is all stuff that has to be worked out by each individual pollster.
So right now we're in the happy time where you can sort of be fast and loose with your waiting because you really don't see the intensity of who's going to turn out and how they're going to turn out.
Mark my words.
Doesn't matter who the Democrat is, when we get close to November, you're going to see these pollsters who are giving these numbers right now.
They are going to collapse.
And they're saying, oh, the race is getting tight.
I'll make a couple points that really show that Trump is doing much better.
One is that in the national polls, Trump is leading by a small amount, but he's still leading.
He never led, I think, maybe one time in all of 2020.
It was always a fight.
And before that, of course, with Hillary Clinton in the national polls, Clinton was always leading.
So there's something up for Trump to be leading Biden and for Biden to be getting creamed in these swing states.
I think there is a panic going on.
I think they also are shocked because this trial is having absolutely no effect on Donald Trump whatsoever in the polls.
So does that tell you if he's convicted?
Let's say they come back and they convict him and the judge says, oh, I'm not going to send him to prison.
Instead, I'm going to use the New York system of making sure he does community service.
He's got to be on a probation officer.
And by the way, that's going to start immediately.
Pending appeal, appeals get turned down, and Donald Trump is somehow tied up with the election doing community service in New York.
You think that sounds crazy, but it's a possibility.
They are.
What if they try to put him in jail?
And by the way, I didn't mention Minnesota and Virginia tied.
I mean, it's a dead heat.
I mean, what do you make of that?
Well, I mean, the Survey USA, who did the poll in Minnesota, like I said, they tend to skew a little more Democrats in their results.
They said that there was no impact from this trial between the last poll they did last month and the poll they did this month in Minnesota.
And in essence, it's a tied race.
In Minnesota, which Biden won by 10 points, just a little left.
Donald Trump has picked up 13 points in New York and 11 in New Jersey.
Yeah, and he's spreading the field.
And that's something the Democrats don't want because they want to concentrate on these swing states.
Another thing your listeners may not know, in these swing states right now, the Biden campaign is pelting them with ads.
They're running all the time.
And if they're not running right now, they'll be running soon because they've announced a huge additional media buy.
It's not working so far.
James Carville said everything we're throwing at him is not working.
Is that why they accepted the debate?
I think so.
And by the way, do they even mean it?
I mean, for Joe Biden to think that it's all going to be on his terms is a joke.
But, you know, I mean, he said they're playing games, you know, because Donald Trump said, okay, I'm also including Fox News because you only put out liberal networks.
And by the way, Brett and Martha, they are journalists.
They are fair.
Absolutely.
No doubt.
And what I would say about that, Sean, is this.
First of all, Carville's a genius and he knows what he's talking about.
And he's in reality.
And a lot of these current operatives who are running this campaign are not.
But I'd also say this: if I were Donald Trump, I would go debate on CNN, even if it's with Jake Tapper.
And if I were the Republican Party, I would run ads before that debate playing the exact stuff that you just played and just simply have the tag: watch the debate.
Donald Trump will be debating two candidates, not one.
Brilliant strategy.
Brilliant.
I hate to say goodbye.
I could talk to you all day.
Anyway, Matt Towery, Insider Advantage.
Appreciate you being with us.
When we come back, we'll also check in with Bill O'Reilly.
Your calls coming up, Joe Concha, Mark Simone.
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We'll get his take on all of this.
And I'm sure he has a lot to say.
And Bill always has a unique take.
And we'll get his reaction to the debate proposal, if it's even real.
But it's certainly intriguing and interesting.
Well, the full details on Hannity tonight.
Oh, and we've got video of fake Jake Tapper.
You don't want to miss that.
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And then we'll check in with Joe Concha, the media angle, and Mark Simone's take.
And your calls, 800-941-Sean, as we continue.
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Mr. O'Reilly joins us now.
Mr. Simps, are you really a simple man?
Because I view you as a very complicated human being.
Well, I appreciate that analysis, Hannity.
But, you know, most people would fall into the category of thinking that I was beyond simple.
I'm in a zone where everything is fairly clear and down to earth.
And that's why when I heard about this debate thing today, I wrote down a number of notes right away.
So who's the moderator?
It's got to be the rock.
Got to be Dwayne Johnson.
It's got to be somebody with authority, with a little menace, because what about me, O'Reilly?
Well, I thought I did a greater Gavin Newsom DeSantis debate.
Why is Dwayne Johnson ahead of me?
Well, that's true.
And you have that martial arts thing going on, too, because I think you need a specter of violence there because these guys hate each other.
I'd have built.
You know what the problem is?
You've got to have people that actually take this seriously.
And people don't understand that you actually do have a sense of humor.
You've got to be simple.
Okay.
So number one, they hate each other.
And I was thinking about my notes for Confronting the President, my book that comes out in September or September 10th.
I don't think there's ever been two candidates, President of Scott, has hated each other as much as these two.
That's where you have to start.
And then the second thing is both of them are known to embellish and exaggerate.
I'll give you an example.
Just last week, Joe Biden said that he took over an inflation rate of 9%.
You ran it on your show.
I ran it on my show.
Everybody ran it.
Okay?
Not true.
Not true.
1.4.
Now, that's not a little mistake.
That's a big mistake.
By the way, it didn't reach 9% until 18 months into his presidency.
That's a long time.
Well, anyway, so Biden will say anything.
Anything.
And what are you going to do?
Interrupt them 50 times if you're the moderator?
And Biden hasn't even corrected the 9%.
And even when Ducey, Peter Ducey, asked Jean-Pierre, hey, oh, I'm not going to speak to that.
Well, what's your job, lady?
Anyway, so Biden and Trump does the same thing.
So Trump at a rally said that Biden, under Biden, inflation is 50%, 5-0.
It's 19%.
Wow.
You got two guys up there who are going to just say anything.
You see, tell me if you agree with this.
Let me take what you're saying and dovetail it into a debate.
Remember that disastrous town hall with what's the person's name, Collins?
Somebody over at Fake News, CNN.
Anyway.
Okay.
So she's doing this, and she's, quote, fact-checking the town hall in real time.
It became so unwatchable, it's ridiculous.
You know, one thing, Donald Trump, if we're going to turn microphones off, which I actually think works to Donald Trump's advantage, because I think the more that Joe Biden has to talk, I think the better it is for Donald Trump.
And I'd make the answers two minutes long, two and a half minutes long.
Let Joe ramble, and he can't have notes, and he can't have a teleprompter bill.
I think that'd be very important.
And they can't put anything up on the screen to try and sway the audience that's watching the debate.
These are little details that'll all have to be worked out, right?
Well, let me jump in.
So the fundamental problem is that you have two guys who have said and will say anything.
And you can't fact check them in real time because you'd be doing it, they'd be interrupting after interrupting after interrupting.
So the way to do this is to have a minute, minute, an hour and 10-minute debate.
And I agree with you.
No, it's got to be 90 minutes to two hours.
They're always 90 minutes, Bill.
I'm not through.
This is new.
I'm breaking it on the Hannity radio program.
I know, but Bill, you said an hour and 10 minutes.
I have to disagree when you're wrong.
You're cutting me off like you'd have to cut off the presidential candidates if you were the moderator.
No, I just shut off your mic, but go ahead.
Debate.
Then you have a 10-minute intermission.
Then you have 30 minutes of fact-checking each guy.
The moderator then comes back and says, Mr. President, you said this.
Here's the truth.
Mr. Trump, you said this.
Here's the truth.
You want to reply?
So you have built into the debate at the end, and this would increase viewership, okay?
You have a fact-check at the end rather than interrupting these guys every 10 seconds.
That's the only way you're going to get a debate that means anything.
Will CNN.
Let me compliment you but disagree.
All right.
So let me compliment you for thinking out of the box.
I think it's thoughtful.
I don't think it's doable, but let me just give you my idea.
And that is, it's the job of the candidates to fact-check the other guy.
You know, for example, all right, the mics get shut off.
I think that works to Trump's advantage.
Why?
Because I thought the first debate in 2020, Donald Trump interrupted way, way too much, and I don't think that helped him.
Now, in the second debate, they had, you know, more, they had the ability to stop that, and I think that worked to Trump's advantage.
I thought he won the second debate.
However, a lot of votes had taken place by that.
So I compliment you for creativity, but I would argue it's not the media's job to sit there and be fact-checkers.
That's the job of the other candidate.
And they've got to show that they are so well versed in the topics at hand that they'll be able to fact-check their opponent when they get an opportunity at rebuttal.
Let's say you have a 90-second answer, or two-minute answer.
Okay, one-minute rebuttal, one-minute rebuttal.
In the rebuttal, you could say, everything that the president just said is not true.
Let me give you the real numbers.
And then over time, the American people will decide in the moment, and they'll decide when they read the papers the next day and watch my show and your show, et cetera, et cetera.
So I don't like the idea.
The media should do one thing, and we should turn off their microphone too.
They should ask a question and shut up and let these guys answer and let them talk.
The American people are smart enough to figure out who they like, who's telling the truth, and who's not.
Okay, I disagree.
And so we have a very lively Irish pub debate between O'Reilly and Hannity.
We're in the pub.
You know what?
The problem is you don't drink.
And you're one of the people in life that needs to drink the most.
I'll get my sprite.
You don't drink either.
I do.
I drink more than you.
All right.
I don't drink anything.
But anyway, we're in the pub.
So I say to you that the media's responsibility is to enlighten and stop deceit.
I believe in this kind of a debate, there are going to be two things in play: malice over the top malice.
And that's not going to help the country, by the way.
And deceit.
You're going to have both candidates throw out stuff that's flat out not true.
It is the media's job to give the viewer who can't possibly know what the rate of inflation was in February 2023.
They can't know.
And this half hour at the end would allow journalists to confront both candidates with misstatements and say, maybe you want to clarify that.
And you give them a minute or whatever.
I really think that if you want to run a debate that cuts down on propaganda and deceit, you have to have that element.
Quick break, right back.
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Here's the big problem with your proposal.
And you admitted it yourself.
There's nobody capable on fake news, CNN to do that properly.
So go in and do it.
Okay.
Now, I would argue that the way I handled DeSantis and Gavin Newsom, and you know the numbers were insane.
People watched it, is in my question, I put up, here's Florida's crime statistics, here's California's.
And I gave each person, and then I kind of moderated the time.
I put up, here are the taxes in California, here's the taxes in Florida.
Here's how much you spend per capita per student on education.
Here's where you rank nationally.
And I put all of that up there.
Now, the Newsome people didn't like it.
Now, the one issue that I did push Gavin on, because he just completely dodged it, which is, do you support any restrictions on late-term abortions, meaning seven, eighth, and ninth month?
And he wouldn't answer.
And I said, you're not answering the question.
And I just challenged for the answer.
I finally got it, and he was pissed when he gave it.
And he finally said it's between a doctor, a patient, and their conscience, meaning no restrictions.
I'm like, okay, I got my answer.
The people deserved it.
Now, I think I was still being fair because the viewer deserved to know that.
I don't think anybody on that network, or frankly, George Stephanopoulos, who we know hates Trump, they don't have anybody capable of being a fair moderator.
So with that knowledge, if I'm Trump and his people, I'm like, no, no, it's going to be fact-checking each other.
And then afterwards, they can all play their game and go into this spin room.
But the American people will decide they're smart enough.
I have enough faith in them.
Man, I want a more precise acknowledgement from both candidates that some of the stuff they say isn't true.
And you're never going to get that unless you have a half-hour blocked out for confrontational questions about it.
But look, this will be the most watched debate in the history of debates because of the malice factor.
Both announcements, both Biden was malicious toward Trump today when he announced it, and Trump was malicious toward Biden when he accepted it.
And you can just, neither man can control themselves.
So you don't have a discipline.
You have no discipline on that stage at all.
And Trump will just go after Biden like you've never seen it.
And Biden then will react and panic as Biden is panicking now.
That's why he agreed to the debates.
I was surprised.
I don't think he had any choice.
You saw James Carville.
I got to run.
And James Carville says nothing that's thrown at Trump is working.
This is a Hail Mary, but it also locks him in as their candidate.
Right.
This is it.
This is it.
All right, Mr. O'Reilly.
Uh, all things simple, man.
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Thank you, my friend.
Okay, come to the pub.
You need a drink.
I'm going to buy Bill a drink and make him have it.
Linda, don't you like the idea?
He doesn't drink.
Levin doesn't drink.
Let's see.
Trump doesn't drink.
I don't know.
I have a novel idea.
A fantastic idea, actually.
You know, Katie and I once tried to send Bill some cupcakes for his book because you said you weren't going to give him a cupcake interview.
We failed miserably.
We sent him chocolate-covered strawberries, completely out of our control.
Hot mess.
Hot mess.
Bill's like, what are you doing?
I'm like, you know, I'm better than this.
You're right.
I'm sorry.
So I think we send him cupcakes.
We skip the alcohol altogether.
No, Bill needs a drink.
Bill needs a drink, full circle.
Never mind.
If we're going to be in an Irish pub, right?
Hey, no question in this economy, we're all feeling the impact of Bidenflation.
And filling up your car, you feel it.
Grocery shopping, you feel it.
Home repairs, everything is more expensive, about 12 grand more than it was four years ago.
Look, many people, 60% of our country, living paycheck to paycheck.
Many people putting bare necessities on credit cards, credit card debt at an all-time high.
Now, if you are a homeowner, there is a way out.
By the way, home prices are up more than they have been in decades, and that is an opportunity for homeowners.
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