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Defending America - May 3rd, Hour 3
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Uh, but but then again, you know, Biden is the president, so things tend to be that way, kind of in uh, you know, lipstick with uh with a pig territory is as far as leadership and the news cycle goes.
But we are covering a lot of ground today, and we talked extensively about anti-Semitism.
Or talk about the rise of anti-Semitism.
Brian Mudd, in for Sean Hannity today.
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So talk for a moment about the rise of anti-Semitism.
And it's right about the time that all the nonsense started breaking out on college campuses that the ADL, the anti-defamation league, came out with their annual report showing anti-Semitic incidents for last year.
And you will probably not be surprised to know.
Record highs across the board, we had record highs and anti-Semitic behavior.
But when you start taking a look at it, it's not just like, okay, things are getting worse.
It's things are getting so much worse.
We had a 140 increase, 140% increase in anti-Semitic incidents year over year.
140%.
Well, we were averaging last year 24 documented anti-Semitic incidents per day.
Per day.
Harassment that was up 184%.
Vandalism up 69%, assaults of 45%.
I mean, right down the board.
And one of the other things that was remarkable too.
Before October 7th, before the horrific terror attack by Hamas on Israel, on all those innocent people, the worst attack on Jewish people since the Holocaust, we still had record high months for anti-Semitism last year in February, in March, in April, in May, in September.
We were going to have a record year for anti-Semitism before October 7th.
But then afterward, oh my gosh.
You you want to talk about things taking off.
Get this.
Nearly six out of ten of the recorded incidents last year happened after October 7th.
You you start thinking about how sick so many people are.
That activated them.
That was a call to action for them.
And it really gives you an idea of what we're up against and in so many different ways.
Somebody who is fighting the good fight and uh has so much perspective on this.
Civil rights attorney who uh previously represented President Trump, David Schoen, who has filed a complaint on behalf of families of October 7th victims.
David, joining us now.
Thank you for taking the time.
Thank you, Brian.
Um let me uh let me back up and say how this started.
You know, a group of lawyers got together under the auspices of an organization called the National Jewish Advocacy Center.
And he they brought together lawyers from the international law firm, Greenberg Troutright, another fine law firm Holtzman Vogel, and we decided to take a look at you know what's going on on campuses around the country and in America in general, and to take a look at the idea that this is all some sort of spontaneous combustion, happens to be the same kinds of tents on campuses and uh the same calls to action as you have said, it just didn't ring true to us.
So we engaged in a careful investigation, and at the end of the day, came up with a civil complaint that was filed two days ago in the Eastern District of Virginia in federal court, and the complaint is 49 pages with 123 footnotes that lays out for the first time ever the coordinated Orchestrated campaign by Hamas,
a foreign terrorist terrorist organization, through its arms in America, which the complaint alleges are the AJP Educational Foundation, Inc., which goes by the name also of American Muslims for Palestine, and the National Students for Justice in Palestine Organization, which has chapters throughout the country, often we hear them referred to as SJP.
And so I'm going to tell you without going into all of the weeds of the complaint, just some real fundamental findings that we made, um, all supported and fully documented in the complaint, and each of these things is a specific allegation in the complaint that has support from independent experts, studies, etc.
So, for example, what people don't understand is uh these organizations, the NJ NSJP and uh that that's that was created by American Muslims for Palestine to be their campus organizational branch, they take instructions directly and indirectly from Hamas.
They were founded by terrorists and people with terrorist uh connections.
This is all allegations in the complaint that we are prepared to prove.
But let me skip ahead from the background, and so I know you have limited time to tell you exactly what happened because you used the term before, call to action.
That's what happened.
That's why we're seeing all of these uh flare-ups on all of these campuses now, not orchestrated by students, but students being used as conduits, not just attacking Israel and Jews, but attacking the fiber of America and democracy.
You can hear it in the words they use, and what we say in the complaint is when people like these kinds of terrorists and terrorist sympathizers and supporters say something, believe them.
And so, for example, October 7th, within hours of the attack, as the complaint alleges, Hamas leader Ismail Haniye called for resistance abroad.
Within hours of the attack, as the complaint alleges, paragraph 53, the NSJP went into went into action.
They started distributing propaganda around the country, social media, college campuses, and the centerpiece was what they call their toolkit.
And so this is all documented within the complaint for anyone to read.
It's a public document, but let me give you just an excerpt or two that I think you'll find interesting.
Their call to action says to students around the country and demands that they organize in this manner, that they call for them to uh engage in resistance, and they say resistance comes in all forms armed struggle, general strikes, and popular demonstration.
All of it is legitimate and all of it is necessary.
This is what they're telling students where your students uh go to school.
Um this is why it's not safe on college campuses, and that's what the complaint alleges.
Um it goes on and on to detail uh things.
David, that is uh, you know, a great depiction.
Super glad that you're on the case.
You take a look at what you just laid out.
There are several things that I I I think are instructive.
The first is that you've had so many people that are laying in the weeds.
We've had over seventeen hundred students that have been arrested across the country at these college campuses.
We're hearing approximately half of them were not students.
So these are people that have been waiting in the wings to to radicalize, and obviously they've had a lot of success in doing it.
And uh, I want to ask you about that dynamic as well, what you think goes on there.
One of the the things that happened this week that really caught my attention.
Yeah, the College Democrats of America that turned over their uh official messaging on all this stuff to their Muslim caucus.
And the the leader of their Muslim caucus uh basically shouted down the Biden administration and and said that they are with the protesters on campus.
So are we seeing a situation now to where you're actually seeing the arm of a political party on a on college campuses, in addition to basically these terrorist factions that have been waiting in the wings, kind of working from from multiple directions here.
Well, now you've raised a very interesting point, of course, with all of the things going on.
Look, I have to say, in many instances, as I say, these students are being used as conduits.
Many of them have no idea what they're talking about or why they're out there, but they have leaders, many of whom are coming from off-campus, who are orchestrating these things and making alliances, as you say, among different groups.
Give you an example.
March twenty fourth at Columbia University, literally terrorists.
Charlotte Cates, a member of the Sami Dun, it's a designated terrorist organization by Israel.
Khaled Barakat, PFLP terrorist.
We consider in this country the PFLP, the foreign terrorist organization came on to campus.
There are videos of these things orchestrating events going on to tear down democracy.
All of this is laid out in the complaint.
And as you say, you know, it goes, it has political dimensions to it.
It's literally tearing down and intended to tear down the core fabric of democracy.
That's why this case is so important to expose what's going on and to give a wake-up call to America.
This isn't just about Israel.
If you think it is, you're badly mistaken.
And that would be bad enough if it were.
It's about tearing down core values in America, and that's why they chant death to America.
Believe it when they say it.
David last question for you.
So you got some very smart people theoretically, although my dad always had a saying about some people are so educated their brains fall out.
But you have these college administrators that have allowed this.
And so theoretically superinformed people, how much of this then is necessarily just woke college administrators that let this stuff happen versus how many of them are potentially down for the cause.
Yeah, I think many of them really have not realized the danger to their students of this.
They're responding only to, you know, donors at this point.
But let me say, let me be clear about this.
Everybody on our team, and I think everybody must value free speech.
We don't we don't blame anybody or challenge anybody for speaking freely, even unpopular speech on the campus.
We would all fight to the death for that right to free speech, as would you.
But what's going on here is violence.
And the administrators need to recognize that they gradually are.
But you know, we're seeing this testimony before Congress, often not accurate.
We need to really get to the bottom of this.
Congress is gonna have to thoroughly investigate, and they're gonna have to be some major changes made.
David, appreciate it.
What do you what are the next steps look like for you?
Well, the complaint's been filed.
At some point the other side will appear through a lawyer.
Uh we have some sense of who those lawyers might be, and uh, you know, they're gonna put out what their defenses are.
You're seeing on social media now claims, oh, these are baseless Islamophobia and so on.
It's absolute nonsense.
This is a complaint, again, just look at it.
Fully documented, independent sourced on every major allegation.
Civil rights attorney David Schoen, thank you so much.
Really appreciate it.
Thank you so much.
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Yeah, Brian Mud in for Sean Hannity.
And uh we're we're talking about the rise of anti-Semitism.
I mentioned the ADL's recent report.
It came out just like mid-April.
They showed huge increase, 140% increase in anti-Semitic incidents, documented situations last year.
Most of that happened in the final weeks of the year, after the horrific October 7th terror attack.
Okay.
So then you begin kind of boiling this thing down a little bit further.
And we start to get the human impact of all this.
So those that are on the receiving end of it.
So the net effect, you you put all this together, and you now have a quarter of American Jews who have been the direct targets of anti Semitism.
Think about this.
One out of every four American Jews has been targeted with anti-Semitism.
What kind of country have we become?
We're supposed to be the tolerance people, right?
And oh, but then you take a look.
So many of the young people, the ones that theoretically were going to be warm and fluffy and tolerant, right?
Not so tolerant.
See, one of the other issues, you begin boiling this down further.
We see what's been happening on college campuses recently.
Wasn't just recently.
So one of the uh things that the ADL worked on.
They they were surveying, trying to figure out okay, well, where then, if anti-Semitism is on the rise this way, where is it really coming from?
And the answer is, yep, the the youngest Americans.
So they found through a series of questions.
It wasn't just, hey, are you an anti-Semite?
It wasn't like that.
Uh, they asked a series of questions to arrive at answers uh that that were telling.
They found 24% of Americans, 24% of Americans hold anti-Semitic beliefs.
A number that was up 4% from the previous survey they did, which was back in 2022.
They go, okay, well, why suddenly 4% higher?
I mean, you you start having some adults that go, yeah, you know, after all these years, I guess I am an anti-Semite.
No.
Hasn't been that way.
What's been happening is as older generations, which have been less likely to be anti-Semitic, have been passing on, and they've been replaced by younger generations.
That's where it's coming from.
According to the survey, Gen Z and Millennials were the most likely generations to uh express anti-Semitic views, which you know obviously washes with what we're seeing on college campuses now as well.
But again, this was all before what we have seen most recently.
This was last year, based on where this behavior is coming from.
So it is uh, you know, on the younger end.
The younger generations are those that are most likely to be anti-Semitic.
And you you see the radicalization and everything else that's going on.
And so we we definitely have some work to do, some things to be mindful of.
We'll keep this conversation going.
Be back with William Trackman, uh, talk more about the implications here on college campuses next, Spry Mud in for Sean Hannity.
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We'll get to some of your calls here in uh in just a few but we've been talking throughout the course of the show about what's been going on in college campuses talking about the rise of anti-Semitism this hour specifically and it had the information from the ADL that showed we had a a greater than doubling of anti-Semitic incidents last year to record levels.
Last year this preceding everything that's been going on more recently across college campuses.
I mean just imagine what we are are going to see by the time we we've accounted for all this.
And we also saw that the rise has been largest with the youngest generations.
And so the ADL found that specifically Gen Z and millennials far more likely to be anti-Semitic than older generations.
So you start putting all this stuff together.
You see the radicalization that has occurred.
People there are taking advantage of it.
Well, somebody who is not none too happy about this.
You've got William Trackman.
He's the general counsel for Mountain States Legal Foundation, where he works to protect the constitutional rights of people.
He, by the way, previously served in the Department of Education, and he was a deputy assistant secretary in the Office for Civil Rights under President Trump.
And I managed to survive Berkeley twice over and pretty upset by what we are seeing take place, including the case.
the caving uh with uh so many of these institutions including uh USC Southern Cal where they have decided yeah we're gonna go ahead and and move the uh move the graduation ceremony and they're they're far from alone William appreciate you taking the time with this yeah absolutely greetings from Colorado good to be here with you.
Yeah, for sure.
So, I mean, kind of give us your perspective on all this.
Well, this is what you get when you inculcate Marxist ideology in your admissions for students in your programming with professors.
And then all of a sudden you get the blowback when an issue like this comes up and the radicals want to take power.
And I guess these agitators from the community come on and radicalize the students.
So this is happening across the country.
It's happening in my home city of Denver right now.
And there is an encampment.
They called the Democratic mayor of Denver a fascist for wanting to shut it down.
And so these people are far beyond left wing.
You know, they're left of left.
But it sounds like now the tide might be turning.
You know, who knew that the fraternity brothers at UNC were the heroes we needed?
And some of the pushback is happening from the mayor of New York.
So I'm at least a little bit optimistic that there is an exploration date on all this, but it's not yet.
And as someone who's Jewish and went to Berkeley, I can definitely see that this is not going going to go away everywhere all at once.
Did you ever run into anti-Semitism when you were on campus?
Oh yeah I mean any time the radical left wants to pin blame on whites or the privileged or Israel they're gonna do that they're gonna make sweeping generalizations about you.
So it's less about, you know, being violently attacked, although some Jews right now are being violently attacked.
It's more about uh, you know, this bigotry against you because they know or they think that you're privileged and that your you know your skin color doesn't uh doesn't match the DEI rhetoric that they want.
And so there is this undercurrent, uh, of course, it's both anti-Israel and anti-Jewish.
Uh and it goes across the entire country.
I mean, imagine if these protests were uh MAGA encampments or Riley Gaines encampments, you know, those we they'd be gone within hours.
But here if it's anti-Jew or anti-Israel, they can live.
They can live for days and even weeks.
Yeah, I mean, William, you you bring up such an instructive point.
I mean, you talk about DEI and you know, all this nonsense.
So I, you know, the I is supposed to stand for inclusion.
I I I guess they kind of miss that deal somewhere along the way.
I mean, why is it ultimately you think younger people are becoming actually less tolerant when they uh espouse that they are the more tolerant sort?
Well, they get rewarded for it on their college applications because they get into you know formerly elite schools like Columbia and Yale.
They get rewarded for it in class when their professors say good job, A plus for talking about Marxism and radicalism and how you're gonna, you know, change the world through sleeping overnight in the park.
Uh and so eventually the positive reinforcement system creates a culture.
And these folks who are on college campuses now are bred to be left wing and to be, you know, what they think anti uh imperialists and they see Israel as a white country that is powerful because it's military as powerful, and they naturally gravitate towards the Palestinians and they excuse terror, they excuse rape, they excuse uh even the anti-gay activity in the Palestinian authority in order to be revolutionary.
And that's just an obvious feature of today's college campus, and it's disappointing.
The one thing I I did see a few days ago is that there were both protesters and anti-uh protesters on a college campus, and they're both chanting let's go Brandon, which I thought was a you know uh a rare moment of unity among the very divisive rhetoric going around now.
Uh that that is special.
Uh some kind of unholy alliance, but that is special.
You know, you William, one of the things I've been trying to figure out, you you talk about the i i intentionality of this with you know the there being these quotas that these institutions have been hitting, bringing students in that fit these profiles that are radical and then are working to radicalize others around them.
How much from an administrative standpoint, this is something I've been trying to get my brain around.
How many of these college administrators just are not aware of what they are getting themselves into?
They're just woke, they're weak need, and oh my gosh, what have we done?
Uh versus how many of these college administrators knew damn well what they're doing and this is what they were going for?
Yeah, Crimea River, right?
I mean, these people have been in the control of admissions for decades.
They've been looking in personal statements for people who want to, you know, challenge privilege and uh invoke DEI, and now of course the blowback surprises them.
You know, I I don't I don't think so.
Uh in terms of administration, you know, my my for a mountain states legal, we just wrote a demand letter to UCLA two days ago because they want to suppress a conservative speaker who wants to talk about Israel and the Palestinian authority on campus, and they're saying, Oh, no, we can't have conservative speakers on campus while this encampment is going on.
So we won't approve your event, uh blaming us, I guess, or our clients for creating drama on campus when they, of course, let this thing go on way too long.
So it's just one of those things where I don't I don't really trust that administrators have anyone's best interest at heart.
They just want to look the other way and hope that it goes away.
Or in some cases they probably support it and they think, oh, you know, this is a good way of making sure that criticism of Israel gets out there and you know and makes the nightly news.
So I don't I don't give the administrators across the country any any credence whatsoever.
Yeah, William, you just pointed out the uh the unholy uh alliance on the uh let's go Brandon Chan.
Kind of along those lines, one thing that that struck me this week, you had the official Democratic Party arm on college campuses, the the uh college democrats of America turned over their messaging this week to their Muslim caucus and their Muslim caucus endorsed these protests, what what's been playing out?
They said they stand with them two-state solution, the whole nonsense.
So I mean, full Hamas sympathizers Here.
Um, how how big of a problem is this that you now have an official party arm on college campuses that seemingly is radicalized?
Well, it's a big problem for the Democrats.
It's a big problem for Biden in Michigan uh and probably other states with significant Muslim populations.
I think it's a problem for the country, although to be frank, I think this is one of those 80-20 issues where 80% of the country, you know, not the youth, but the majority of the rest of the country sees how absurd this is, sees the terrorist sympathizers across college campuses these days and says that's not what I want in this country.
So in some ways they've shined a light on how awful things have gotten.
You know, I I wish I didn't take a crisis like this in order for people to see the light, but in some ways I think this is a problem for them, that they can't control their base, they can't control their messaging, and I guess they're turning over the messaging to the people who are sympathetic to Hamas.
But if there's anything to make a centrist or an independent think twice about uh who they're gonna support going forward, it's radical students talking about how important it is to support the terrorists.
Uh so I do think ultimately, you know, this is a problem on college campuses and for the left, but for the mainstream of the country, I I hope it's not so much of a problem.
Well, you're uh your lifts of God's ears that this works out politically.
I fashion myself as a realist who errs on the side of optimism, so uh you know hopefully this is uh a capitulation point for many, a turning point for this country come November.
Uh William Trackman, General Counsel for Mountain States Legal Foundation.
Thank you so much.
Appreciate it.
Absolutely fine.
Thanks.
All right, and uh let's go to the phones.
We've had Jacob in Ohio.
It's been hanging on.
Appreciate that.
Jacob, welcome to the show.
Hey, Brian, thanks for having me.
You bet.
Uh so I'm just uh I've been listening for a while, and I'm I'm only 26.
I've only been kind of staying up to date on what's going on in the world and watching things since the the war in Ukraine.
But I mean, this stuff is crazy ridiculous, but these whole protests and stuff that I've seen that it makes me think about my wife.
We we've been married for about a year and a half, and she her great grandparents actually raised her, and they were legitimate Holocaust survivors.
They had the tattoos on their forearms.
You know, and her and I never really sat and talked about these things that are going on.
I don't even think she knows.
We just had a baby.
So but you know, at any rate, I didn't know that she was Jewish.
You know, and maybe I missed something in school, but how do you even really tell, right?
So I would be curious to see what would happen.
If these protesters or whatever we're calling them, they're not yeah, if they would look into their heritage, how many of them actually have Jewish you know ancestors and actually are tied to the Jewish faith and are sitting here doing this?
I think it's an it's an embarrassment, and it's a disgrace to our country.
It's crazy.
And I don't know.
Yeah, Jacob, I mean, you you bring up a really great point.
Uh, you know, Jill Stein, uh the the uh likely Green Party presidential candidate uh Jill Stein.
I mean, certainly of of Jewish ancestry, she's got arrested this week.
Uh she was out there you know supporting all this this nonsense on college campuses.
So you do uh have an element.
Uh, you know, and a lot of those people uh are people that threw away their faith some time ago, and for whatever reason, you know, they're they're in that unhappy place, and uh you you you tend to get that kind of thing.
But you know, uh, you know, may God bless you, your your wife, your family.
I uh wish you all the best and appreciate it.
Hey, I have one more thing.
I've actually never voted before, and it's funny.
I'm actually really proud that this November it'll be for Trump.
So let's get back going there and turn this stuff around.
All right, well done.
Well said.
Appreciate you being there for sure.
Let's go to uh Ken also in Ohio.
Ken, welcome to the show.
Hi, I just like to comment on a statement that I heard earlier in the week, and I think it should be repeated in a daily conversation.
I believe it was Mark Levin, and it shuts down the complete argument from the left that there should be a ceasefire, because Mark Levin said, guess what?
On October 6th, there was a ceasefire in place, and Israel did not break it.
You know what?
Uh the the great one and and uh Ken appreciate the call, and uh the the great one is is wise and in so many different ways when a lot of this nonsense was was playing out.
In fact, when Iran was uh attacking uh Israel, and a great one was was over there uh with them, and uh, you know, I was he was conversing with him about the situation on the ground.
Uh, he he has perspective that none of the rest of us really do.
And so, no, uh what you're picking up on there is is is right on point.
And the bottom line when it comes to a ceasefire, to the extent that Hamas would ever engage in it, you know.
I mentioned earlier in the show, their founding is uh not to allow for that.
So, you know, they their founding was the eradication of Israel.
They'll only ever use that strategically.
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So Russia wouldn't have invaded Ukraine.
China wouldn't have been allowed to consolidate and threaten sovereign countries and takeovers.
If Hamas had been dumb enough to try to attack Israel, they'd have been immediately dropped into the dustbin of history.
And so, of course, if all that nonsense hadn't happened, nonsense on these college campuses probably not happening either.
So we got work to do.
Everything we can do, all in, get Trump elected.
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