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Commissioner Ray Kelly - April 23rd, Hour 3
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Former MYPD commissioner, Ray Kelly.
He did a great job when he was the police commissioner.
I I may shock some of you a little bit here.
I've had this pretty contentious public battle that's been ongoing for years, although not on my side.
I could care less about Alec Baldwin.
But anyway, so Alec Baldwin's in a in a coffee shop.
And you have one of these idiots with their cell phone shoving it in his face.
And anyway, so Alec, can you please say free Palestine one time?
Free Palestine, Alec, and just one time, and I'll leave you alone.
I'll leave you alone.
I swear, just say it.
A coffee shop employee tried to ask the protester to stop to stop it with Baldwin as he was walking towards the door and and asked her to leave.
Uh why did you kill that lady?
The person goes, now he's not he's been accused of involuntary manslaughter.
And that was in the the fatal shooting death of the cinematographer on the set of rust, the movie that he was involved in.
All right.
Anyway, long story short, Baldwin asked the employee to call the police, told the protester he's not gonna say it.
He said, Can you do me a quick favor before uh smacking the protesters' phone from her hand?
Let me play it for you.
Alec, can you please stay free Palestine one time?
Why did you kill that lady?
You killed that lady and got no jail time.
No jail time, Alec.
No jail time, Alec.
You're putting innocent people in jail, Alec Baldwin.
Free Palestine, Alec, just one time.
And I'll leave you alone.
I'll leave you alone.
I swear.
Just say free Palestine one time.
One time.
One time.
Oh, please.
One time, Alex.
You know, you know he's a criminal.
You know he's a f criminal.
Come on, Alec.
Just say free Palestine one time.
One time, just one time, please.
And I'll leave you alone.
Free Palestine.
Israel Zionism.
Please say it.
One time.
And the phone goes down.
Anyway, before we get into all the madness that's going on uh around the country with these radicals taking over college campuses and their pro Hamas statements and their anti-Semitic statements.
We bring in uh former NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly.
You know, I'm not exactly Alec Baldwin's biggest fan here, but you know, uh at what point does somebody have a right not to be harassed that way?
Uh great to have you back, Commissioner.
How are you?
I'm fine, thanks.
Yeah, I mean, it was outrageous.
I think I might have uh punched her in the face if it happened to me that many times.
Just it's amazing.
You know, that you by the way, he may want to he may want to abandon New York the way I did after all this crap he's going through.
I wouldn't blame him.
Just don't come to Florida with his leftist views and ruin the state of Florida.
Uh but you know, at some point, uh I mean, if you were police commissioner, is that be would that be something you that some officer that that they would officer would have to charge him with, or would that go would that basically be fine?
Well, uh you mean if he if he struck her or something like that?
Well, no, all he did was he knocked the phone out of her hand.
Yeah, no.
No, that's not uh uh that's not a crime, certainly not a crime.
Uh why isn't harassing somebody like that a crime?
Uh yeah, right.
No, I mean you have to use common sense with these charges.
It's just not a matter of going to the law book.
Yeah, that certainly would not be uh a charge if I had anything to do with it.
Yeah.
Let me let me get your thoughts on this.
You see anti-Semitism on campuses surging.
Uh the lunatics have taken over.
I mean, it's happening at everywhere.
We'll start on the West Coast in Berkeley.
Anti-Israeli agitators meeting, you know, we will take you know any necessary steps.
Uh you see what's happening in New York and places like NYU, what we witnessed last night.
You see what's go unfolding even still at Columbia University.
Uh You see it's happening at MIT, you see it's happening in Yale, you see it's happening at Harvard and and all around the country.
By the way, uh Wall Street Journal had a piece.
Columbia now moving their classes online uh and you have the rep this Jewish rabbi saying it's not safe if you're Jewish, stay off campus.
Now they have to finish their semester online.
Uh the New York Post had an article, a Jewish student at Columbia said one of the protesters snatched and burned his Israeli flag and struck him in the face with rocks during the unrest over the weekend.
That's the second person that reported uh violent actions that were taken against them.
And you know, here you have the elite schools in the country turning into you know, like Hamas University, anti-Semitism running rampant.
Uh nearly half of Gen Z voters are sympathetic towards the terrorist group Hamas.
That's pretty scary.
And you know, now now this is now the reality.
Uh you were a police chief that was hardcore, law and order that got the job done.
How would you handle this?
Well, uh the ball is certainly in the court of the school uh at this juncture.
Uh it is private property.
You need a complainant if there's any uh crime that's going to be uh charged.
So you have to have a cooperation from the from the institution.
Uh you know, about a hundred people were arrested the other night, which by the way, they're out in just a couple of hours.
You know, nobody does a night in jail anymore.
So uh these people who are arrested are probably very much still on the only one they want to put in jail in New York is Donald Trump.
It certainly looks that way.
So I mean the police uh if they see a crime taking place and they're off campus, they see it happen on campus, they can certainly respond.
But to go in and enforce the regulations or rules of the school, you're going to have to have uh cooperation with the you know, with the administration.
And I, by the way, did a study of anti-Semitism two years ago.
I interviewed many Columbia students, Jewish students at Columbia.
This has been going on for a long time.
There's an organization, uh Justice for for uh Palestine, uh students of justice in Palestine.
It's been in existence for almost 30 years.
It has 200 chapters in the U.S. It's on it's on all major college campuses.
They're funded from the Middle East.
There's no question about that.
There are a couple of uh organizations that they try to shield it or filter it through.
But it's been going on, and the administration has done nothing about it.
This is not a new issue for any uh teacher or any administrators who's been at Columbia for any any period of time.
They're just not willing to take it.
Well, it's really the administration has to make the decision.
Um that's in keeping with what Eric Adams, the mayor, had to say.
Let me play this for you.
Uh what we are seeing playing out on many of our college campuses, and particularly in Columbia University, uh, is hate.
Uh we're seeing vile language being used, and at no time uh should we call for the destruction of anyone, uh, should we call for violence towards anyone?
Uh that is not uh what protesting is about.
Now we have to go within the law.
Uh in this country and in the city, uh comments like that on its on the surface are not illegal.
But if you use it to harass someone or menace someone, we're going to take appropriate action uh to stop that from taking place.
And we will go on private property for imminent uh threat.
Uh even though it's a private property, if there's imminent threat or danger to someone, the NYPD will go on that private property.
Well, we now have numerous reports that have come out showing that you know Jewish students are being physically attacked at Columbia.
That seems to justify the presence of the NYPD, right?
Uh it certainly you need to talk to the administration on that.
You just can't go on without having some agreement with the administration.
We need somebody who is going to complain, who's going to sign papers.
Uh you know, what happens in a lot of these cases is that they get a disc appearance ticket, which maybe mean means that they're out in like uh three hours.
And then when they're supposed to go to court two months later, the complainants don't show up if the school doesn't show up.
You know, so it is it doesn't mean anything anymore, uh, arresting a hundred uh people for these kinds of violations.
It just they just flaunt it.
Uh that's did you ever think I mean what years were you police commissioner?
I don't remember the exact years.
What how how many years were you police commissioner?
Fourteen.
Okay.
You've been there and and you were a big part of turning New York City around, and Giuliani became mayor, and uh stop and frisk uh was instituted.
The murder rate rate in New York City went down dramatically from nearly what, 2500 a year.
At one point it got as low as 300 a year.
You were a big part of making that happen.
And so you look back on these years, and and now to me it seems like the inmates are running the asylum, these c these presidents of these college universities seem more sympathetic to the rights of the students that are doing the harassing and the protesting than they do to the victims.
Uh it's it seems at this point, uh you know, that your hand the cops' hands are tied.
Then you add to that no bail defund, dismantle, uh reimagine the police, no bail laws.
I I can't tell you how many guys that I know grew up that wanted to be cops, and they want no part of it anymore.
I know people that are cops.
And if they see trouble uh if they make a left, they're gonna go right, and they're not gonna go near it because they know they're not going to be protected.
Yeah, and that's so unfortunate.
And the city just signed a consent decree as far as how they handle demonstrations that significantly ties the hands of police officers.
It doesn't go into effect, I think it's O June 1st.
But it creates four levels of demonstration.
It's an oversight group of six people, only one of which is from the police department.
There's no kettling, which is a plaintiff's term for sort of moving behind demonstrators.
Uh it it is ridiculous thing for for the city to agree to.
But uh, they did it.
So it's only going to get worse in terms of handling major demonstrations.
Yeah, I know a lot of a lot of cops, of course, who are so disheartened.
The ones that uh can leave or leaving.
I know the city just did something as far as putting in a pension sweetener.
We'll see if that works, but so much talent is going out the door on on a regular basis.
They're hemorrhaging cops.
You know, well over they're hemorrhaging them and they're not bringing in enough people to replace them, and then they're even cutting back because of the illegal immigrant problem and the massive cost associated with it.
They don't have the ability to hire the level of cops when you were commissioner.
That's right.
And of course, you're concerned about standards.
You know, want them to lower the standards just to reach a number.
And that that that's a problem uh as well.
But you're right, it cannot fill the ranks anywhere near to the numbers that uh we had.
Certainly Rudy Giuliani, he had 40,000 cops at uh at the end of his administration.
So what are we down?
I think we're down to like what, 30,000?
Well, no, about 30, 33, 30, anywhere, 32, 33,000.
Well, I mean, uh it sounds like you would get the hell out of there, uh, you know, at this point, because you don't want any part of it.
I mean, well, who would want that job?
Hey, let me tell you, I've had many family members, people that I know closest friends that love their job on the NYPD, loved it.
And they all say the same thing.
It's not the same job, it's not the same place.
It's a disaster, and if they get to a retirement age, they get out the doors faster than they can, and those years before they retire, uh they're they're laying back.
Then they're not going to put themselves out anymore because they know they're not going to get supported if God forbid they're involved in an incident, even of self-defense.
You're right.
There's so many restrictions that have been placed on them.
Civilian review board has been given uh free access to initiate their own uh complaints, their own investigations, which uh was never never the case.
There's uh uh, you know, there is an inspector general in the NYPD in each of the district attorney's offices in New York County.
There is a public corruption unit.
Now that's fine.
Uh but uh we also have maybe six hundred police officers inside the NYPD assigned to internal investigations.
So there's an awful lot of scrutiny, more than there's ever been, and cops interpret a lot of that as being just harassment.
And they're not they're not uh sticking around for it.
They've been demonized, they've been vilified, and uh hey, it's not what they signed up for.
And a lot of these cops are going to other departments.
Uh, you know, and much more receptive than by the way, you know what Ron DeSantis did down in uh Florida?
He's offering trained police officers from other cities to come down to Florida.
He's giving them a big bonus to move here, and they're all taking them up on the offer because in Florida they back up their men in blue.
True.
And very true.
I know there's a lot of my PV uh alumni in Florida.
So they all seem to be pretty happy.
The ones that I uh uh come in contact with.
Former MYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly, Ray, great to talk to you, my friend.
Thank you, Sean.
Great to be with you.
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Uh I want to remind you of this.
So uh, you know, Donald Trump, I think you'd be handling the issue of what's going on on college campuses a lot differently.
And this is what he said earlier today.
What's going on at the college level and the ecologists, Columbia, NYU and others is uh a disgrace.
And it's a it's really on Biden.
He has the wrong signal, he's got the wrong tone, he's got the wrong words, he doesn't know what he's backing, and it's a mess.
And if this were me, he'd be after me, it'd be after me so much, but to try to give him a pass.
But what's going on is a disgrace to our country.
And it's all Biden's fault, and everybody knows it.
He's got no message, he's got no compassion, he doesn't know what he's doing.
He can't put two sentences together, frankly.
Yeah, it's a disgrace and it's on Biden.
Yep.
Biden has a problem.
He has a base problem.
He's bleeding his base.
And his base does not want any help or support for our ally Israel, a big portion of his base, that is.
And the radicalized Democratic Party, which he is the leader of, has now turned on Israel, even going as far today as the State Department now accusing Israel of human rights abuses.
Um have they forgotten who started this this war?
All right, back to our busy phones.
Uh, let us say hi to Vinny.
Vinny in the socialist utopia known as California.
Vinny, how are you?
Glad you called.
Good.
First of all, you got a great staff.
They're pure gold, and uh, this is Power California, the land of fruits and nuts.
And I wanted to talk about Stormy Daniels real quick.
I haven't anybody I haven't heard anybody make um um any mention of the fact that she's actually, I think, uh, as a as an old cop, um uh guilty of blackmail, and nobody's ever said anything because that's a criminal offense, it's felony, and it comes uh from when you uh threaten reveal it.
I don't think it's blackmail.
Let me take issue with you if you have two people agree uh on what what they call it it's actually so common it's insane.
I mean, probably most most major corporations have a number of what's called non-disclosure agreements, and and oftentimes it's somebody that either threatens to sue or files a lawsuit for whatever reason, these companies then have to make a uh financial calculation, and they have to determine number one whether or not it's true, they have to determine whether or not it would bring them more embarrassment than it's worth.
They have to calculate okay, well, the law firm charges two thousand dollars an hour, how much would they pay in legal fees versus what the the payout would be?
And then if if two sides, two parties agree to a settlement at that point, that's between the two parties.
And in this case, the two parties agreed to a settlement.
What's the b it's something that happens every day.
Okay.
Um but hush money, uh they keep saying hush money uh is inherently um not illegal.
I mean, hypothetically, let's say that uh it's it's it's it's it's a bad term that everybody keeps using.
It's not.
It's it was a non-disclosure agreement.
Stormy Daniel said it's not hush money.
Stormy Daniels said in writing, I didn't have any sexual affair with Donald Trump.
Period and the sentence.
I couldn't agree more, and uh especially about the hush money because they keep talking about that, but you know, if that's a consensual uh meeting between the two, and uh, you know, nobody's nobody's mentioned the fact that it was prostitution, which it's not.
It was uh an agreement signed with by her for an NDA, and that's between him and his family, and that's to keep it personal, and that's the reason they use the term hush money, but it's not illegal.
H hush money is not illegal, so I'm I just can't understand why he's on trial and we why why she's not being prosecuted.
They came to a financial settlement over whatever the financial settlement they've they agreed it to be about.
That's what happened.
That's between them.
Usually there is a in a non-disclosure, you you don't get to talk about the issue or the terms of the issue, and you move forward.
Then the company gets to say goodbye to the two thousand dollar an hour lawyers and they get to move on with their business, and the individual gets to move on with their life.
That's what happens.
Uh that it it is so common it's ridiculous.
Well, I agree.
I agree, but uh, you know, if I come to you and uh catch you doing something and I say, Sean, um you better pay me X amount of dollars or I'm gonna cop out on you.
Well, what you what did you catch me doing?
Because I probably didn't do it.
Well, I'm not saying you I'm just kidding around, man.
Uh no, I mean look there, there are people that pay you know, pay large sums because they did do something.
And rather than fight it out in court and face the embarrassment associated with it being public, they'd they'd rather pay the money if they can afford it.
But we go we go right back to hush money, and it's not illegal, but what I'm saying is that if uh uh you know blackmails is a criminal offense and it's felony.
So if somebody extorts you for money or other valuables, and uh um when you they've caught you doing something basically, and you say uh they say I'm gonna give I'm gonna put Oh,
you do get to that you you can get very close to that line when you're talking about these private settlements where somebody's basically saying uh for example, well, there was a high profile case, somebody in the media, I won't mention who, uh, and we're basically told that uh, you know, pay us X number of dollars or pictures from 30 years ago they want to release.
And you know, I would argue in that case you're getting really close to the line of of blackmail.
And sometimes people, when they're put in that position, they bring in the FBI.
And rightly so.
And and you could be, and that person could very likely be charged with blackmail.
Either pay me or else.
That's a threat.
Well, that's absolutely right, and I couldn't agree more that the two actually are so very close that it's hard to uh sometimes it's Hard to distinguish which is which, but the NDA takes it um you know into a different direction, but it's just uh uh I I heard Yeah, I haven't heard anybody discuss it like we have.
It just it i if they want to call it uh I mean they can't what crime is there in paying uh so-called hush money.
It's not you know they they're talking about a bookkeeping error, which is a misdemeanor whose statute of limitations ran out.
And then they're they're trying to create a conspiracy, is as we talked about earlier in the program, and say this is a conspiracy and about election uh interference.
They're not even charging Trump with that.
They're just trying to use all these loaded words and hypotheticals and hope that the jury doesn't figure out that that's not what the case is about.
Well see what happens.
It is New York.
They do hate Donald Trump, but I gotta move on, my friend.
Appreciate your call.
Thank you.
Uh Don, Iowa, next, Sean Hannity Show.
Hi.
Hi, Sean.
Thank you for taking my call.
I uh I appreciate it.
And like the previous caller, I think your staff is great.
Linda, Katie, awesome.
Why why why is everybody sucking up to my staff?
Well, you're supposed to suck up to the host for crying out loud.
Geez.
Well I'm kidding.
Of course I suck up to the host.
I I love Sean.
I've been listening to you since uh Hannity and Combs.
And uh thank you.
It means a lot to me.
But no, I do have the greatest staff ever.
I I ten I agree.
I concur.
What's on your mind?
What's on your mind today?
Vice versa.
Well, I uh saw a video of uh Alec Baldwin getting harassed, and I thought that uh uh you might have some opinion on it because uh the the the harassment of Alec Baldwin, th this woman is calling Alec Baldwin a murderer, but she wants his endorsement for Palestine.
I find that just say just say it, Alec.
Just say it.
We you know, we played it earlier.
Let me tell you something.
I honestly, and I you know I've had very public fights with Alec Baldwin.
I don't particularly like Alec Baldwin.
And he has a pretty bad temper.
And I know he's got this trial that this woman was harassing him, you know, with the camera in his face, screaming at him, you know, trying to get him to do something.
He's there to buy a cup of coffee.
Leave the guy alone.
He tried to be he tried to ignore her.
The store owner tried to defuse it.
This lady was unrelenting, and then he just whacked the phone out of her hand.
Uh frankly, I don't really blame him.
And you know, he's probably gonna end up with a lawsuit over it.
That's how that's how insane the world is today.
It's too bad.
I think he had every right to tell this woman to stop harassing me.
I mean, people uh look listen, I uh I haven't talked a lot about it, but the stuff that I had to face in New York that I don't face in Florida, I mean it uh the difference is night and day.
And I I I just I had a lot of a lot of considerations to make before I made this move, and I've been planning it for years, and Governor DeSantis was making fun of me saying you're never gonna make the move, and I'm like, Yes, I am, I'm going to, and then I I finally pulled the trigger and I've been down here ever since.
And I'm not going back.
Well, except for like a few business things, I'm not going back.
No, I understand uh I I just think that the uh woman making the the requests or demand of Alec was like throwing at a bullseye and missing an entire barn.
It one thing had zero to do with the other.
She was just looking for 15 minutes of fame at Alec's expense.
The man has a life, leave him alone.
I you know, I agree with you a hundred percent.
And she listened I've I've I've had my own moments like this.
I'm just and I don't come on the air and talk about it often, but I I've lived through this.
It's a pain in the ass.
I don't like it.
And you know I can imagine.
However, I'm probably a lot more disciplined in terms of keeping my emotions in check than Alec is.
I have a very tr I'm uh well trained in my ability to defend myself, and I find in those situations I get very, very calm.
Very calm.
And I am I I am very good at diffusing them.
That lady was there's nothing he could have said that would have diffused it.
Probably if he in retrospect, it's very hard to do.
It's easy to say, You know, he could have just ignored her, got his coffee, walked out, walked away, gone to another store, you know, go home, wait till this lady you know leaves, and then go on with his life.
But you know what?
That's taking away his freedom at this at some point.
At some point, you know, people should not be allowed to harass you like that.
Anyway, appreciate the call, my friend.
Good point.
Uh let's say hi to Sally in North Carolina.
Hi, Sally.
How are you?
Glad you called.
Hi, Sean.
Good to talk to you.
It's great to talk to you.
What's going on?
I love North Carolina.
Oh, yeah, it's great down here.
Um, I'll be brief.
Uh I have a suggestion.
I'd like you to pass on to Trump if possible.
Um we know we all know that he's in this horrible unconstitutional trial.
And even though he comes out at the end of the day and he can speak briefly, uh, he just can't get anything across that he would be if he was on the campaign trail.
So therefore, I suggest that he announce his running mate now so that he or she can be campaigning on his behalf or for other Republican candidates and be able to rebuke all these um um talking points that the Democrats and Biden put out.
I I would imagine remember the Republican convention is in June.
We are now almost to the end of April.
So uh I would not be surprised if some point in May uh or some point uh in early June we're gonna know who that person is.
Is there anybody in particular you like?
Well, I'm just thinking while he's tied up for eight weeks, I mean it's a lot of time that he is not out speaking to to people and and not everyone watches the six o'clock news or whatever.
And I just think it'd be important if he had someone on his behalf doing this.
I I agree with you.
I think it's a good great idea.
I really do.
And I think I I wouldn't do it right now, but I would do it I might do it in in late May or the latest early June.
He's gonna have to do it in June anyway.
Listen, I appreciate the call.
No, I guess the convention's in July.
But I would do it in probably early June.
Anyway, good call.
Thank you, Sally.
800 941 Sean is on number as we continue.
All right, that's gonna wrap things up for today.
Uh we are loaded up tonight, Sarah Carter at New York University.
More protest expected.
Stephen Miller, Jonathan Turley, Kellyanne Conway, Tammy Bruce, Pam Bondy, Greg Jarrett.
Set your DBR, Hannity tonight at nine on the Fox News channel.
We'll see you tonight, back here tomorrow.
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