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Dec. 12, 2023 - Sean Hannity Show
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Biden's World Crumbling - December 11th, Hour 2
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We have some fallout from the indictment of Hunter Biden last week.
Obviously, the implications as it relates to Joe is where my mind is at.
Corine Jean-Pierre asked about it, and here's what she said as she refuses to comment on questions involving Hunter and says, as of now, there are no plans to pardon him.
I have two questions on the Hunter-Biden case.
Any reaction to the to what we saw last night new charges and then I have a follow-up.
Sure.
Look, I mean, the president has said this before, and he will continue to say, which is that he loves his son and supports him as he continues to rebuild his life.
I'm going to be really careful and not comment on this and refer you to Department of Justice or my colleagues at the White House Council, but that's what I'm going to.
I'm not going to go beyond telling you all what the president has said over and over again.
He's proud of his son and he is building his life back down.
I know you must charges directly, but can you speak at least to the emotional toll the charges are having on the president?
I'm just not going to comment beyond what I just shared.
I mean, I'm not going to, and this is, we've been pretty consistent on this.
I'm not going to comment on private conversation that the president has with his family members.
One more on this.
Only because you've said it before.
I just want to re-up in light of these new charges.
You've said before that the president would not pardon his son.
Is that still the case?
Nothing has changed.
That is still the case.
Now, I've talked about Abby Lowell in the past.
Good lawyer representing Hunter.
This kind of took me by surprise, actually claiming that the DOJ has a bias against the Biden family.
This was a complete surprise to us, notwithstanding we had been in contact with them.
Indeed, I think about a week ago, I called the U.S. Attorney's Office for a status check so that I could come in and talk to them if they had any idea that they wanted to bring any additional charges after the gun charges.
And at the time of that telephone conversation, they said, no, you already had that meeting.
Well, that was based on their investigation years ago.
So I said, I want a new meeting.
And what they said was, well, we don't know we can do it.
I wrote a letter both to David Weiss and copied the Attorney General saying, if there's any new evidence, then we should come in and address it.
If there's no new evidence, then how can you justify anything other than what you did in June?
And their response was first silence and then the indictment without any communication back to me.
You know, again, if I've done this work, I am in the defense bar.
That's not the way it works.
Prosecutors engage with defense attorneys to discuss the investigation and the possible charges.
It's just yet another way that Hunter's been treated differently than others in similar circumstances would be treated.
Well, I'd argue just the opposite.
The only bias that Joe Biden's DOJ has is against all things Donald Trump and all things conservative and the Trump family and the Trump organization.
You know, we have seen this, you know, on a multitude of issues.
Just look at top secret classified information.
They raid Mar-a-Lago and Joe gets a pass and we know Hillary got a pass.
33,000 deleted emails, top secret classified documents, more than that were even found at Mar-a-Lago, and no reasonable prosecutor would prosecute.
And of course, those were the infamous statements of James Comey in July of 2016.
Anyway, here to sort through all of this, we have Alina Haba is back with us.
She is President Trump's spokesperson, general counsel, and with the Save America PAC, Greg Jarrett, Fox News legal analyst.
And by the way, also the author of his own, well, also the host of his own podcast, The Breathe, author of the Constitution of the United States and other patriotic documents collected and explained, a bestseller.
Welcome both of you back.
Alina, let me start with you, your reaction.
White House doesn't have any comment about Hunter.
They have no plans to pardon Hunter.
And Hunter's attorney claiming the DOJ has a bias against the Biden family.
That was somewhat laughable to me.
It was extremely laughable to me.
So the DOJ who ultimately reports up to President Biden is somehow biased against his son after cocaine that goes missing never gets placed.
And we get nine indictments against Hunter, which doesn't mean he's going to jail.
If you ask me, it's a ruse.
It's a let's look at everything and pretend that we're also victims so that nobody thinks we're actually going against Trump because his poll numbers keep going up.
That's what I make of it all, Sean.
I think that everybody needs to watch the theatrics that come out and Kareem Jean-Pierre saying she's not going to pardon Hunter Biden.
Well, the reason is because they're probably not going to have to pardon Hunter Biden because I bet you nothing comes out of it.
They've used it as a sword, as a way to make themselves look like victims.
And anybody that's buying it is frankly in another planet.
But the evidence is so overwhelming.
It's so incontrovertible on so many levels.
Greg Jarrett, we have gone over this chapter and verse.
I mean, here you have somebody admitting in their own words that they have no experience.
Here you have a president admitting that he took specific actions that resulted in a huge financial windfall for an inexperienced family member.
Here you have shell corporations.
Here you have lies, repeated lies about never having even spoken to Hunter or his brother or anybody for that matter.
But now we know we have photographic evidence that he actually met with some of these people and that he was on, according to one of their business partners, over 20 phone calls.
So my question is, how did they possibly get out of this?
And how does Joe stay out of it himself when he's up to his eyeballs in it all?
Well, he's getting a big assist by the Department of Justice, Merrick Garland, and the U.S. Attorney, which only charges tax crimes against Hunter Biden.
You know, the media immediately said, oh, see, this is unconnected to Joe Biden.
Well, that's true only insofar as the president's not named or charged in the indictment, but his dirty fingerprints, Sean, are all over the tens of millions of dollars in overseas cash that flowed into Hunter-controlled shell corporations and bank accounts.
And the tax crimes themselves arose from Hunter's corrupt influence peddling schemes.
And the evidence is compelling that his father actively aided and abetted in those schemes.
There's documents, testimony, White House logs, photographs, emails, text messages, all of which implicate Joe Biden.
He spoke, as you point out, repeatedly on the phone with Hunter's clients, met with his son's overseas partners, even attended their meetings.
He was the Biden brand, and Devin Archer implicated him as sending the right signals.
That's a quote from Archer, to foreign clients who forked over the dollars.
But it is no accident that the U.S. attorney is charging only tax crimes and avoiding how that money was earned.
It was earned through corruption, and Joe Biden was an accessory.
When you compare the DOJ, Joe Biden's DOJ, it's part of the executive branch, and their treatment with Donald Trump, your client, Alina, to me, there is no comparison.
And, you know, look at this civil case going on in New York now.
I mean, the allegations that somehow the Trump organization and Donald Trump himself artificially inflated the value of certain properties, which resulted in more favorable rates that they received from insurance companies and loans that they were able to get.
I believe most of them came from Deutsche Bank, if I'm not mistaken.
But yet there's a provision in every one of those contracts.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, that says don't use our numbers.
And by the way, every company has their own fiduciary responsibility.
If you're a borrower and you hand a bank, oh, this is how much my company's worth, they have the responsibility to vet that and ascertain whether or not that valuation is accurate or not.
There's no responsibility on the part of the borrower to do that.
And then we get to the most interesting part of all this to me, which is that you have a judge, you know, presiding over a case about overvaluation, and he undervalues Mar-a-Lago at $18 million when it's close to a billion-dollar property, if not more.
How is that possible?
It's not possible.
Well, it's happening.
Yeah, yeah, no, no.
I mean, the $18 million is not a possible real number, but he'll believe it.
I'll find $18 million.
I'll buy that sucker tomorrow.
Yeah, we'll flip that for a billion real quick.
So we have a judge here who does not want to hear any evidence.
It's very clear of what's happening in court.
He doesn't want to hear any evidence that contradicts the decision that he already made before we went to trial.
He found the Trump organization guilty of fraud before we stepped in the door, before he heard from any experts and before he heard from Deutsche Bank themselves who took the stand and said, Trump was our big whale.
They were a great client.
They paid us ahead of schedule.
They never defaulted and we would do business with them again.
Then you have Eli Bartov, professor from NYU Stern Business, who actually gives the Nobel Executive Committee recommendations for accounting professionals that should be honored.
This man said, this is an econ 101, Your Honor.
This doesn't make sense.
They did nothing wrong.
I checked their complaint.
It is void of any rule that was broken under accounting rules and principles.
They did absolutely nothing wrong, and their numbers are fine.
And even if they weren't, Deutsche Bank would have done their own due diligence and did do their own due diligence.
So this, again, when you go back to the Hunter thing that you were discussing, if you want to look at how the DOJ and the Biden administration is treating the Trump family and the Biden family differently, I assure you, Hunter Biden will not be put on a fast track for election interference, but President Trump is.
Just look at the timing of the trials and what they said.
He will be after the election, meaning Hunter, but Donald Trump and President Trump's, all of his cases, they're trying to rush through.
Look at Jack Smith, just went up to the Supreme Court to ignore even the possibility of going in the appellate division.
We are seeing election interference at its finest.
Period, the end.
Well, what you're talking about in this particular case, Greg, I like your reaction to it.
My understanding is the special counsel went directly to the U.S. Supreme Court to resolve whether President Trump has immunity from prosecution for alleged crimes that he committed while in office.
The first time that the High Court will weigh in on that historic prosecution.
Isn't that something that would be normally reviewed by lower courts first before you go to the Supreme Court?
It would, except that you can cite exigent circumstances and go directly to the U.S. Supreme Court.
Oftentimes, the High Court will not accept it.
They'll say, sorry, you've got to litigate it in the lower courts, see what they say before it comes to us, so it's premature.
However, here with an upcoming presidential election and a criminal indictment of a president who may enjoy immunity for many of his acts, it seems to me that the Supreme Court would have to seriously look at the request by the special counsel and decide.
Donald Trump has very strong and legitimate arguments that many of the things he did were protected by presidential immunity and that he acted in a way that was consistent with the law in filing legal challenges and his allies contesting the electoral count,
which in the past Democrats have done in prior presidential elections.
Quick break more with President Trump's attorney, Alina Haba and Greg Jarrett, and then your calls coming up.
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When I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi, nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.
Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
Bad faith, political warfare, and frankly, bullshit.
We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.
You put two and two together.
Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?
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Yes, that's right.
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And I'm Carol Markowitz.
We've been in political media for a long time.
Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane.
That's why we started Normally, a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity.
We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor.
We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously.
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What I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi, nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.
Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
Bad faith, political warfare, and frankly, bullshit.
We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.
You put two and two together.
Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?
Benghazi is a Rosetta Stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.
I'm Leon Napok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries.
This is Fiasco, Benghazi.
What difference at this point does it make?
Yes, that's right.
Lock her up.
Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
All right, we continue now with President Trump's attorney, Alina Haba, and Fox News legal analyst Greg Jarrett.
What I'd like to understand, Alina, is, you know, every single one of these cases goes back at least three years, and it will be tried in year four after, quote, the fact, if you were to believe their, quote, facts.
They couldn't have done this earlier, considering the, quote, gravity that they're trying to insist each case should take on.
And then if I'm right, and I don't believe that President Trump can get a fair trial in New York or Washington, D.C., or Fulton County, Georgia, that's my own personal opinion.
I think you probably agree with me.
If he can't, that means when he would appeal any conviction, like in the case of Bob McDonnell and the former governor of Virginia, the Supreme Court unanimously vacated 11, all 11 of his convictions.
You know, my question to you is really simple here.
So we'll have the trial in venues not friendly to President Trump, and the appeal would be after the election.
How would you describe that?
Yes, that's absolutely correct.
If you look at, you know, to go to your point, Georgia.
Georgia is the prime example of something that happened and January 6th, right?
But Georgia, that happened while he was sitting president.
It was brought in a state court level intentionally because state level, obviously, we have less control on the federal level.
You can't control it.
We have to wait.
So Fanny, who's been in New York, meeting with people in New York all last week, you're looking at exactly that timeline.
I think it was well planned.
They are locking him up in courts for this year.
That's why they waited.
These are things that happened years ago.
But it was intentional so that he wasn't out campaigning.
And as you know, Sean, in the criminal courts, he's going to have to be sitting there.
It's not like Letitia James' case.
He can't pop in and out.
He's going to be tied up.
That's why all of these individuals waited.
That's why they're tying him up now.
So the trials are before the election.
And then, yeah, appeals will be post-election.
And that would have to be handled by outside counsel during that if they don't get stayed, which I assume there will be motions to say if he wins the presidency.
But don't get it twisted.
They're doing this because he can't campaign on criminal charges.
He has to go to court.
It's awesome.
It's really unbelievable in every way.
I wish we had more time.
We could talk about this forever, but we do appreciate both of you being on.
Alina, great to have you back.
Greg, great to have you back as well.
Thank you, sir.
My pleasure.
Thank you.
All right, 25 to the top of the hour.
By the way, UPenn president forced out.
Let's see what happens to the other two.
And frankly, I think we need scrutiny of a lot of these elite institutions, their presidents, their policies, their acceptance of outright calls for violence and support of terrorism and terrorist groups.
It's pretty unbelievable.
Let's see what happens at Harvard and MIT.
Claudine Gay, is she next?
Maybe.
I could see it happening.
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All right, let's get to our busy phone.
So many of you, so patient.
Bruce in California.
What's up, Bruce?
How are you?
Glad you called, sir.
It's great talking to you, Sean, longtime listener.
Hey, there's so much news going on, but what I just want to say is that Hunter Biden, nothing is going to happen to him because of the timing.
Again, they indict him last week, which means he's not going to have to get a deposition this week.
And if he does, and if he gets indicted and even convicted, his father is going to pardon him.
So why waste the money and the time on this guy?
You know, we all know that he's a scumbag, but there's nothing that can be done about it, right?
Well, I'm not necessarily agreeing nothing's going to happen to him, that he's not going to be convicted.
To be very honest, I think we're making a big mistake if we don't get to the bottom of this.
I cannot, for the life of me, you know, imagine what the media and how the country and the left in this country would be reacting if Donald Trump and the Trump organization and the Trump family were making tens of millions of dollars from our top geopolitical foes like China and Russia.
I can't imagine the left in this country not going insane.
But lo and behold, here we are.
Firing squad.
In front of a firing squad.
Well, you know, expect another 99 charges thrown at the Trump family, right?
I mean, it would include everybody in the Trump family.
As much as the media keeps saying, the media is not telling you the truth because the media, when they say there's no evidence of Joe's involvement, sure, there's plenty of evidence.
Joe also said, you know, what part of Joe proclaiming over and over again that he never spoke to his son, brother, or anybody for that matter, what part of that lie have they not figured out yet?
What part of all of this that it was completely dependent on Joe's actions?
What part of Joe bypassing Obama administration policy and leveraging a billion dollars, our tax dollars, to get a prosecutor investigating his son fired so his son can continue to enrich himself?
You know, tell me why all of that is not evidence.
You know, how is it not evidence that what's that message?
I'm sitting here next to my father, and you have not fulfilled your commitment to us.
And with everybody that he knows and my ability to hold the grudge, you're going to regret it.
Sounds like a shakedown to me.
So, you know, we'll see what happens, but I think we certainly have to pursue it.
I think the country needs to have full, complete knowledge of it.
You're not going to get that knowledge from the mainstream media mob.
I don't think they'll give it to you.
And we're going to continue to do their job for them.
Okay.
Thank you, Sean.
Thank you.
I appreciate it.
Let's go to the very cold state of Maine.
And Anthony's standing by.
Anthony, how are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Hey, nice talking to you, Sean.
Longtime fan.
I can tell you right now, I've got a lot to say.
And the very first thing that comes to mind is the fact that as studying taxes almost my entire life and doing things also on different levels of tax brackets, such as UCC tax law, which I don't know if you're familiar with, which is quite complex.
I really believe that, first off, Hunter is guilty of sin.
He's a scumbag, as you said earlier.
There's no question about it.
I absolutely believe he will actually be convicted.
It'll be a long time thing, but it will actually, there are a ton of loopholes that will get it thrown out.
And I honestly believe it's a little more nefarious than as it seems.
As you know, his father is coming up possibly to be, have an inquiry upon his own person and his dealings with Hunter.
So the funny thing is, is if Hunter is able to evoke the Fifth Amendment during that impeachment process and or inquiry process, that'll shield his father quite exponentially because he's the go-to guy, you know, to get his dad in these dealings.
And I think that it is absolutely just a crazy fiasco, wouldn't you?
Well, you know more about tax law than I do.
One thing that others have pointed out that have examined Joe Biden's taxes.
Now, we know payments went his way.
We know through emails with Eric Sherwin, who was in charge of, I guess, the money for the companies that they had, that Hunter and Eric had a lot of back and forth about what account they ought to be paying for Pops' home repairs.
Then there was the $40,000 payments.
Everything seems to be a loan, they keep saying, a loan or a loan repayment.
Well, the only problem with that is, and you correct me if I'm wrong, if you lend money to people, you have to, especially if it's above a certain number, I believe it's $15,000.
You have to charge interest as a matter of law.
Am I correct on that?
You are correct on that, Sean.
The funny thing is, though, is that in his position and his father's position, that there are different tax laws that actually apply to them.
And UCC tax law is a totally different bracket.
It's a whole separate thing.
The UCC or the Uniform Commercial Code that governs almost everything commercially that happens in this country, including tax law.
There are tons of loopholes that normal Americans would never be aware of.
I mean, it's almost insane.
You can literally make almost anything tax exempt.
And this goes all the way back to when the gold was recalled.
So it's very interesting how these laws can be applicable to Hunter and or Joe today.
Not to say that he won't be convicted and there won't be a media fiasco and there won't be everything else.
But honestly, at the end of the day, I seriously am standing on the fact that I can tell that this is more of a way to shield Joe through questioning of Hunter because he will absolutely, if he's facing criminal charges and tax evasion, be able to evoke the Fifth Amendment on any illegal activities between him and his father.
Well, I sure he can do that.
And by the way, that's everybody's right to do that.
It doesn't negate the fact that at some point, and again, it's Justice Department policy.
You don't indict a sitting president, but he could be out of office in just a little over a year.
And it would then become a valid investigation.
Let's see what happens.
Let's see.
You know, look, they spoke about this towards the end of the Trump administration.
Came up quite a bit, as a matter of fact, and that was whether Donald Trump would pardon himself and his entire family.
Didn't happen.
He said, we didn't do anything wrong.
Why would I pardon myself?
Maybe in retrospect, he should have.
But what Joe will do, Joe's going to do.
My guess is I think the odds would be pretty high that there would be pardons.
Anyway, I appreciate the call.
Stay warm in Maine.
It's cold there, but it's warm in Florida where Teresa is.
How are you from the free state of Florida?
Teresa.
Hi, Sean.
How are you?
I'm good.
Happy Monday if there is such a thing.
I don't believe there is.
Well, it can get tough, can it?
Merry Christmas, first of all.
But what I was calling about was I don't hear a lot of people talking about what people like myself are going through.
I am, just to give you a quick background, I'm 61 years old.
I work full-time, 50 hours a week, and I take care of my husband who had to retire from the post office a few years ago.
He has very advanced Alzheimer's.
And I take care of him.
By the way, I'm very sorry to hear that.
That is terrible to watch somebody you love.
It is.
As you know, it is degenerative, and it gets worse and worse, and it's hard to watch, and it's very tough on family members.
We've been married 43 years, and he no longer knows who I am or his kids, and is totally bedridden.
Last year, I owed $1,900 in income tax.
I paid $200 a week religiously for 10 weeks until it's paid off.
Last week, I received from the IRS a letter stating that they were placing a lien against my home for $133.85 or $0.68, I'm sorry.
They're putting a lien on your home for $133.
You've got to be kidding me.
No, and $0.68.
And then I hear what this man, Hunter Biden, has done, and I get so upset.
I look at what I go through every day.
I get up at 4.30 in the morning to take care of my husband to come to work and make sure that my taxes are paid, and I never do anything that's not right.
And then that happened, and I'm like, you are really kidding me.
What is this added interest because interest rates have gone up?
Is that what they're doing?
I don't know.
It didn't say.
It just said that I had a balance due of $133.68.
So rather than deal with them anymore, I paid it.
And it's just, you know.
Again, I've had this happen to me where, you know, I'm sitting there and I'll talk to my tax attorneys, talk to my lawyers, and, you know, it's like, oh, Hannity, pull his file, pull his file.
I mean, it's a joke, to be honest.
And meanwhile, I have not one accounting firm, but two accounting firms and a law firm that I have to hire because I couldn't possibly fill out a tax form if my life depended on it.
But we dot every I, we cross every T, and then you have to go fight for, you know, something that is obviously a deduction.
It's insane.
It is.
And you see something.
And I don't even take all my deductions.
What's that?
I don't take any deductions.
I take none.
I just do whatever the standard is and then I'll pay it if I owe.
And for $133, rather than saying, oh, you still owe this amount, we're placing a lien against your home.
Is the lien lifted now?
I don't know.
I'm going to have to check this week because I just paid it on Friday, early Friday morning.
I got the letter Thursday, and I paid it early Friday morning.
Listen, let me give a plug for a service that we've been advertising for for years.
It's called RushtaxResolution.com.
And I urge anybody that has any issues with the IRS, do not deal with the IRS by yourself or on your own.
They do this every single day.
And what most people don't even know is that IRS, they look to negotiate and drop their caseload as much as they can.
So they make deals all the time.
And I know people that have used Rush Tax that have saved hundreds of thousands of dollars.
And, you know, or people, you know, are stupid and they don't file their taxes, eventually they're going to catch up to you.
So my advice is to everybody, I tell all my friends, you better pay taxes.
They'll be all over you.
Maybe not this year.
Maybe not even next year, but they will be all over you.
They will catch up to you.
And so my answer to all this is to just pay your taxes like you've been doing.
By the way, I'm sorry about your husband.
Sorry about your family.
I'm glad you're out of this situation.
If we can ever help you in the future, please let us know.
And Merry Christmas to you, too.
Merry Christmas.
Thank you so much for taking my call.
Appreciate you being with us.
All right, quick break, right back.
Straight to our phones, 800-941-Sean, our number.
And let's get back to our busy phones.
Let's say, hi, Jack is in Missouri.
Now, some people say Missouri.
Some people say Missouri.
Anyway, well, how do you say it, Jack?
Missouri.
Well, you have heard people say Missouri, right?
Yeah, either way, as long as they love us, it's fine.
Either way.
Well, we love you in Missouri, so we're good.
I say Missouri.
What's on your mind?
Yeah.
Yeah, Paul Manafort.
Take a look at the difference between the way that he was charged, the way he was prosecuted, the way he was jailed as soon as...
Oh, you mean the pre-dawn raid with guns in his face and his wife's face and...
And in the case of Roger Stone, same thing, except they literally had fake news, CNN, cameras just happened to be in the neighborhood right at the right time to get it all on camera.
Yeah.
Look at the way they treat everybody.
Look at Burrow Lago versus Biden and Hillary, right?
Yeah, his poor wife in her pajamas.
Well, how terrible.
But the whole point of ruining his life and making him feel as if he was going to spend the rest of his life in a federal penitentiary was that they needed him to flip on the then president of the United States.
And what they charged him with was unusual and creative.
What they charged him with was he did not register under the Foreign Agent Registration Act.
And then they got even more creative because they hadn't prosecuted that type of an offense before, except for one time.
But then what they did was they said, well, even if you made the money legitimately, it wasn't a bribe.
We're going to charge you with money laundering.
And they got very creative on the money laundering statutes because what they said was, look, even if the money you got was earned, when you transferred it to the United States into a bank or you bought a house or a car or whatever, even if it was legitimately paid and earned, every time you transferred that money, because you hadn't registered, it was a money laundering violation.
And money laundering statutes have an extremely long statutory minimum sentencing.
So they were trying to put him into a hole for the rest of his life so that he would be induced to come up with something, even if it were a fib, to go against the president with a Russian hoax thing.
Well, I'm coming up on a break here, but let me tell you why what you're saying is so true.
And I urge, if you haven't read it, you need to read Paul's book because he wrote all about it.
But when I interviewed him, they were very clear to him.
They basically were telling him on a daily basis when he was put in solitary confinement, you tell us what we want to hear and you're out of here.
We'll make a deal.
You get to walk out today.
And he wouldn't do it.
And I said, well, that's pretty tempting.
Your freedom is a pretty valuable commodity.
And his answer was, yeah, but they wanted me to lie, Sean.
I can't lie.
That's what his answer was.
I think a lot of other people, what do you want me to say?
I'll sign up right now.
By the way, which is why I don't think those types of deals should be made in criminal cases.
Anyway, Jack Missouri, I wish I had more time.
I am up on the clock here.
Please forgive me.
Hope you have a great holiday.
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