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Nov. 30, 2023 - Sean Hannity Show
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The Border Problem - November 29th, Hour 2
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Simple man, that only means one thing on this radio program, all things self-proclaimed simple man, all things Bill O'Reilly, all things O'Reilly of Bill O'Reilly.com.
Uh Mr. O'Reilly, sir, how was your Thanksgiving?
I don't remember.
Um I'm old and I forget things quickly.
Um, but I'm right now.
Yeah, by the way, Joe Biden Jr. here.
Go ahead.
Uh you know, I'm not I can still get up and down the stairs.
Um, but you know, I I can't uh remember stuff.
What is your take?
A simple man take.
Look, you've had a lot of big interviews in your life.
You've done in Barack Obama.
I I did one Super Bowl interview, I think you've done like three of them with presidents.
Uh big moments, big debates.
Uh I'd love to hear your input, because I read the same article, and I have all of those numbers.
And honestly, all I really am gonna do is throw out the topics, and then I'm kinda out of it, Bill.
I'm I'm just the moderator here.
Well, though, you're gonna have to basically um apply some discipline to the wanderings.
Because Newsom, he's smart guy.
And he's slick and he's uh glib.
Um DeSantis is a smart guy, he is not glib.
So Newsom goes in with an advantage, a verbal advantage there.
And what Newsom's gonna try to do is petty fog, word of the day, petty fog.
So every stat you throw at him and and DeSantis throws at him, because you gotta feel Santos got the same stuff, all right.
He's gonna deflect real fast, uh news him away from that into abortion and uh compassion and all of this stuff.
That's what he's gonna do.
And if you let him filibuster, you know, three minutes on abortion, then you kinda and I don't think Well, we do we do have time limits.
Although I told both sides I'm gonna let it breathe to a reasonable point.
Is does that make sense to you?
In other words, yeah, you have your green light, your yellow light, your red light, meaning your time's up.
But if somebody's finishing a thought and it takes ten more seconds, I'm gonna have a master clock to try and monitor uh the exact speaking time of both of them and try and be as fair as possible.
I think that that final number will matter the most in terms of being fundamentally fair.
But I I but I do there's only two of them.
I want to let it breathe.
I don't want to be a hall monitor, Bill, and constantly be saying you're your time's up when when moderators do that, I find it annoying as hell.
I think you do too.
But you're going to have to apply some discipline in the sense that if it were me and I'm not telling you what to do, I mean you No, no, no, I'm asking you what you would do.
Go ahead and tell me.
Go speak up.
I would point out to both of them.
If I ask a direct question, which I know you will, you're not gonna give, you know, a s a cupcake interview as we've discussed, you're gonna ask direct questions.
If they don't answer, you're gonna have to point out that you didn't answer the question and then pose it again.
Now that when you do this, the follow-up and you say, Well, you governor or governor, you didn't answer the question, I'll pose it again.
That embarrasses them.
And you're going to have to do that.
Because we're living in an age of spin now.
And uh, you know, I coined the name.
That that is a hundred percent exactly my take going in, and I will do that to both people.
Yeah.
On both days, and and there's a lot to talk about.
My problem now, Bill, is as I've already prepared all the questions, all of them.
If you if you have an idea, maybe that I didn't think of, I'm always hoping to hearing what you have to say.
You can you know how to get a hold of me.
So in California, they basically have a de facto legalization of every single migrant, all 10 to 15 million of them that have come across the border.
And the de facto legalization is they're paying for their health care beginning in January.
And that is so stunning, and I know Americans don't know that.
They don't know it.
So this is the first state in the union that has done this.
It basically said, uh, we're legalizing them, uh, we don't care you know what the federal border policies are, we're gonna do it.
Um so that would be that has struck me as an American, not just a journalist.
It's so outrageous for one state to usurp federal law and federal power.
Now it's a little pin hitty, but you can bring it in.
It really it really isn't pinheady, and I'll tell you the if there's one topic where I really have to be concise and really really home it's the issue of immigration because there's so many different aspects of it.
And if you want a short, if you want to ask a short question, which I do, then there's gonna be probably a series of follow-ups because there's so many facets of immigration that we're dealing with.
If you're dealing with the cost, you're dealing with the crime side, you're dealing with the legality side.
Um it's uh I mean there's just you know, you're dealing with the issue of law, law and order, um, following the laws of the land.
So there's so many facets of it, and again, this is all part of the elimination process.
We do have a we do have a time policy.
It's uh we'll flip a coin, who goes first, one minute to answer, 30-second rebuttal, and then follow-ups as necessary, and and that's basically the rules, Bill.
It's kind of simple.
And in that time frame, you'll get a lot of questions in.
But to me, as an American, again, not as a journalist or a debate moderator or an interviewer.
What I'm concerned about in this country, and it mirrors your concern, okay, is number one is getting harder and harder and harder for working people to make a living.
When expenses have risen 18% for essential items of life under Biden.
You're in serious trouble, and it they've risen more in California.
You see, you and I think exactly right.
You you used to always say the folks, the folks, the folks.
You know, but but Bill, that's what it's really all about.
And a lot of people don't understand this.
There's been people questioning why am I doing this.
I'm like, do you not understand that state policies, state regulations, uh, on immigration, on energy, on taxes, that that probably has a more direct impact on your life, your everyday life, than what the federal government is doing.
Although their 40% top marginal tax rate is is pretty darn burdensome and their regulations are pretty burdensome.
But it but what the states do has a dramatic impact on on people's lives.
And I would also mention the newsome, and I'll get to DeSantis in a moment, to be fair.
People in California are paying this much for a gallon of gas today, right now.
And people in Florida paying this much.
This is why I have said to people that it basically there's not gonna be as many surprises as you would think.
And here's my thinking going into this.
See if you agree.
I wanted to think of Sean Hannity, circa, my twenties, when I was struggling to pay my rent and and and having to pay my taxes and and and having to go to the DMV and having to live life and and struggling to pay rent every every month, Bill.
And I want how the the questions that matter the most to me are the questions that impact the people's lives that we're discussing.
Because we're now at over 60% of Americans live in paycheck to paycheck.
Now that breaks my heart.
I think we could be so much better than that.
I believe the policies on the on the federal level, state level have contributed a lot to this.
And that's that that that's where my mind went as I was spending a lot of time preparing for this debate.
And that is if you throw up to uh Newsom, your folks are paying this much right now for gas, and Florida they're paying this much.
How can you justify that?
Simple.
That question takes six seconds.
Now, let's go to DeSantis.
Now, by the way, I don't know if you know this, but they're suing out in California, the oil companies, because quote, they had all this knowledge ahead of time that it was a pollutant.
Um, this is gonna cost these companies, you know, probably millions and millions and hundreds of millions of dollars to defend against.
I don't know if you have to get that specific though.
The the point is dramatic of that the big point spread in a gallon of gas.
So with Well, then let me ask this.
So what wins out?
If is it going to be the substance of the debate or the personality of of the person?
Well, number one, you'll win if the debate is interesting.
If it's not the same old political rhetoric.
Newsom is much livelier than DeSantis.
But I don't what I would if I'm sitting up there with DeSantis, I don't understand him.
I really don't understand him because he has not articulated what he's gonna do, by the way, Hannity, and this is a good tip from me to you.
He's gonna try to co-op you so you and him are some patico.
Don't let him do that.
Um because then Newsom goes, Oh, see, I told you it was gonna be two yes one.
So you got you know, but I'm gonna he's gonna say that anyway, Bill.
They've been I I have an overunder that he's gonna say it a thousand times after the debate.
You're gonna get four million people to watch this debate, and the folks are gonna see what happens, and then it's gonna go viral, and then ten million more will see it.
But for DeSantis, I would like to know, okay, how he arrived at his abortion point of view.
Now 15 to 6 weeks, yes.
Are you coming from it from a religious point of view, Governor?
Are you coming at it from experience?
How are you coming at I don't understand it.
I want to understand it.
Okay.
Then the second thing I on DeSantis is why in your state is Donald Trump more popular than you.
Now that is a provocative question, Hannity.
I don't, you know, that's tough.
And so with DeSantis, you gotta make him a little uncomfortable to see what he's got.
Let's see what he's got.
Because his campaign is not taking on any momentum because people they don't know who he is, you know.
You see, I think actually people do know who he is.
Here's my take on the primary, and tell me if you disagree that Donald Trump has a base that is fiercely loyal to him.
And there was there was nobody in this cycle that was going to have any chance of breaking up that base, in my view.
And and look, Ron DeSantis is he just turned 45 years old.
He's a young man, he's he'll have plenty of opportunities to run for president.
Uh a lot of people run and and don't win the first or second time, and then they come back and they're the winner.
So it th that that he has plenty of time to be governor, and if in the future he wants to run again, if he doesn't win this time, uh I think they're putting a lot of their eggs in the Iowa caucus basket, and they've gotten they certainly have gotten big endorsements there, but I think if Iowa doesn't go well and New Hampshire doesn't go well, I think it's at that point, you know, this this may be over quick more quickly than people think.
Well, Haley's got more momentum than DeSantis now.
Um and you can see that in a real clear politics poll average, and you can see it with the money flowing into Haley.
Um but I'm not sure that that that does any good on a national level.
This debate is important, and it is, and kudos to you for setting it up, by the way.
I don't know any other person in the country, and I'm not kissing you, but Hannity, you know I slap you around all the time verbally.
But I don't know.
Um by the way, I oh I'm nothing but nice to him, right?
Delinda, am I always nice to Bill O'Reilly?
And this is the crap I have to put up with from him.
I mean, he I go on his show, and he's just threatening me, you know, in the months leading up to the interview.
Hannity, not gonna be a cupcake interview.
I'm like, okay, what you want to rip my my my lungs out?
Go ahead.
Have fun at it.
I can fight back.
And it was fun.
Um, I'm not gonna deny it.
Everything with you is fun.
I don't know anybody in the country could have put this on the air.
I couldn't have done it.
I couldn't have gotten uh Newsom and DeSantis together.
I know I couldn't have.
Uh well, you did something I couldn't do, and that was get Obama to sit down with you.
He'd never sit down with me.
Three times I got him to sit down because we had uh, you know, some common interests in uh Brothers Keeper and a few of the other social programs that I felt that were very important.
But kudos to you uh because this illuminates the culture war more than anything in America.
You have two states now, huge states, that are a hundred and eighty degrees apart.
Same country.
Who's got the stronger argument?
Now you and I know that Florida does because that's what we believe.
We believe in traditional America, we believe in a meritocracy, we believe in hard work.
Newsom in his California acolytes do not.
They believe in a strong Sacramento government telling everybody what to do in every aspect of their life.
That's what they believe.
But look who's work.
Florida's working a lot better than California.
Just the exodus out of California.
And that's what the good question war and I too.
I mean, you got millions of people leaving California.
It's the most beautiful state in the country with the weather and everything.
What are you doing?
Uh, Bill, let's just say um you've hit there's not a single thing you've mentioned that I haven't thought of yet.
However, I do appreciate your insight.
And I'm actually asking the audience, I want to know what they want to hear too.
Um, and and people have been calling in today, and uh, we're gonna put them on the air and hear what they have to say.
Uh, we got a roll though, Mr. O'Reilly.
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All right, certainly.
Always fun to uh to talk with you, Sean.
Thanks for having me.
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What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi.
Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
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It's almost a dirty word.
One that connotes conspiracy theory.
Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
Bad faith, political warfare, and frankly, bullshit.
We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.
You put two and two together.
Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?
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Thank you for being with us.
Your calls, your comments uh coming up next.
I see a lot of you want to talk about the debate tomorrow.
We will be in Alpharetta, Georgia.
Uh 9 p.m.
Hannity uh goes, we have a two-hour edition tomorrow night.
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Randy's in California.
Randy, how are you?
Glad you called, sir.
How are you doing, Sean?
I'm good.
What's going on?
Hey, I live in Northern California, got a small little farm, you know, less than 10 acres.
Most of the farms you hear are 20 to 10 acres.
Gavin's killing us.
Gavin's killing our people around, the farmers all around the area on that in Northern California.
You know, last year our our our Mandarin Oranges was selling for about a dollar a pound.
This year, just to keep alive, we're selling for about two dollars a pound.
So almost 100% increase.
And what it's really killing us Is this gas?
I listened to you and him on the on the TV, and he was talking about we only charge 85 cents on sales tax for gas.
Well, that's not true.
He didn't talk about the fees.
We're we're charging those 35 cents per gallon in fees for greenhouse emissions, low carbon fuels, and also underground storage tanks.
So that really takes up to a dollar twenty dollar a dollar twenty per gallon for sales tax and also for fees on every gallon of gas we buy.
Let me ask you this.
Do you sell fewer mandarins because of the higher cost that you now are charging people?
I I I gotta make some money.
No, but I mean in other words, are people buying less as a result?
Uh our seasons, it's not like I'm I'm seeing that yeah, they're they're buying less.
They're buying less.
And and you know, our market has now gone to we're opening up our farms and selling to the public that way just to keep the cost down.
Wow, so you sell it directly to the customer.
Instead of send them directly to the customer, because if we send them to the stores, you know, they're markup and they're not buying as much.
So most of that stuff's coming to other country.
Well, you're you're kind of making my point because some people will say, well, Hannity, why are you doing this?
Um and why are you elevating Gavin Newsome and and et cetera?
I'm like, well, first of all, Joe Biden may not be on the ticket come November a year from now, and you better be aware of of who a potential replacement could be, and he would certainly be on the top of the list, or right up there on the top of the list with Kamala Harris, I think.
Uh and maybe the Michigan governor, you know, uh Whitmer would be there.
Maybe maybe somebody I'm not thinking about now.
Um that's number one.
But number two, the impact of state laws, state regulation, state taxation, and you know, all that the impact it has on the citizens of states oftentimes is more onerous on citizens than what the federal government does.
That's why I think red, blue, state, state it all all this stuff matters.
And you know, is it one of the reasons why there has been a uh m pretty much a mass exodus out of out of California?
Because it's a beautiful state.
I lived there five years.
Beautiful state.
You know, but the restrictions like you're talking about in 2024, we can no longer buy any lawnmowers or riding or push blowers or even chainsaws, and that's kind of my thing.
Chainsaws.
I mean, I gotta trim these trees and everything else, you know.
In 2028, no more generators.
We can't purchase a generator in California.
And in 2030, gas appliances.
Then 2035, all gas or diesel tractors.
How's a farmer or how's a rancher supposed to operate if they can't buy equipment?
They're gonna get rid of all the farmers and all the ranchers out of California because in 2035, everything's gonna have to be better.
Now you could tell me how's a battery gonna operate on on uh on tractors.
I look, I I I don't see it happening, and I mentioned this earlier, and I think this is gonna have a big impact on on the country, is we now see uh, you know, once the governor and the great state of where is it, um uh uh Connecticut, you know, is pulling back from these electric cars and vehicles and and these mandates that they're having.
Look, let's put it this way 3,000 car dealers are telling Joe Biden that his plan to force you, the public to buy electric vehicles is a loser.
Yeah, the Democratic governor of Connecticut let Ned Lamont withdrawing his plan to mandate future electric vehicle per uh purchases after the proposal received a bipartisan pushback.
Um literally now we're being lectured by the UN on on we on how we should reduce our meat consumption.
Nobody wants to hear that.
And we're demonizing, you know, uh the producers of of I think one of the best sources of protein you could ever have, which is meat.
I eat very keto friendly and paleo, so uh that's my diet.
So I mean, but that again we'll we're dealing with states regulating, and the federal government does it too, to the point where it's hurting the the people of these states and people in this country.
Anyway, I'm gonna I got a roll, I'm gonna get some other folks in here.
Uh glad you call my friend.
We I wish you the best of luck with your with your farming.
Uh where can people get your mandarins in person?
Well, we're in Northern California, and so we're in a town, a small little town in uh Loomis and also Penrun and Auburn, California.
So all three of those all those towns, we can get them.
All right, my friend, thank you.
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Uh let's say hi to uh George in Florida, uh, the free state of Florida.
What's going on, George?
How are you?
Hey, Sean, it's nice to have um talk to you, my friend.
Hey, um, I wanted to say that um with abortion.
I know that's a hot uh hot item right now.
Um Justice Scalia said uh uh what to do about abortion shouldn't be up to nine rogue judges.
It should be it should go to uh state legislators and be discussed on the people's representatives.
And big abortion right now has circumstanted that democratic process like they did in Ohio by putting these things on these uh citizens' initiatives where out of state billionaires can come in and spend like four to one on the big abortion side.
So I know you're they're having a debate uh t uh tomorrow night.
I would love for you to ask uh Governor Newsom and also uh Governor DeSantis, my my governor.
Yeah, he's my Churchillian governor.
I believe he's a he's uh he's a very he gives the people hope uh for our state.
But ask them do they believe that what to do abortion should go to the state legislatures where they can discuss things about uh parental dis uh parental rights, um uh minors and and all these things that are are basically could be hashed out and any type of uh that are things that are aren't uh that could be fraud or anything else could be talked with our legislatures,
and and there's chiseled out there a set of these uh these these uh citizens' initiatives where the the most whoever has the most bucks win because Bloomberg and Soros, they spend six point five million dollars in their money, and what we have on the on the pro-life side are are organizations like uh that that buy that buy um ultrasounds and and the and uh the the Knights of Columbus.
They spend their money and trying to counter this attack by big abortion.
So I I think that's a great well I think the money is a part of it, but now that Dobbs has sent abortion back to the states, it's a state decision, and regardless of outside money that might be spent, if if a politician is going against the will of their constituents on this important issue, I I think there'll be massive political consequences for them.
I think it's that big an issue.
Uh I I actually believe it's the reason Republicans did not get the red wave that they were going to get in 2022 or were expected to get.
But anyway, good idea.
Appreciate it.
Thanks for the input.
Uh Texas, Chris, Sean Hannity Show.
Hey, Chris.
Listen, uh, since the California governor decided to have communist company come over to the House of California, San Francisco.
How much was the short notice cleanup bill proven that it could be done and chose not to until forced to do it?
It's certainly a fair question, isn't it?
I mean, if you look at why didn't they do it ahead of time, why aren't they doing it everywhere?
Um, I think that's a legitimate question.
I mean, the homeless issue, especially in California, is so out of control that I mean, the one thing it proved is you certainly can fix it if you want to fix it.
And you know, okay, what was it like before?
What was it like after?
And and what do you what are you supposed to do with this massive homeless population?
Look, it was a problem when when I lived, I lived for I was like the poorest person ever that lives in Santa Barbara.
I had a you know a tiny apartment, and you know, I'd often go down to the beach, and the beach was packed with with homeless people.
They had this huge pig tree that they used to congregate under, and and there were massive numbers of people back then, and it's only gotten dramatically worse since then.
And yeah, I think there's got to be you know, laws.
Uh and and frankly, where are all the billionaires in Cal the liberal billionaires in California?
Why aren't they building facilities so they can shower, maybe get some counseling for addictions or mental health issues?
I I don't see that happening out there.
It makes more sense to clean a house at least once a week than wait till the end of the year to clean up a house.
I think I think I tend to agree with you.
Uh anyway, good call, Chris, uh, appreciate it.
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Uh back to California we go.
Josh, you're on the Sean Hannity Show.
Hey, Sean, uh, living in California, I'll tell you what I'm concerned with.
I think that Gavin Newsom knows that he that he could easily get votes just for being a younger and uh better looking and more lucid Democrat than Joe Biden.
I think he's a dangerous candidate.
I'm always reminded with this open border that most of America does not live in a border state and does not have illegal immigration in their face every single day, like we do out here.
We've had millions.
As soon as they send thousands up to New York, it becomes a crisis.
So uh I think Gavin Newsom knows that most of the country is pretty clueless about what an open border means.
And he is a guy who wrote stimulus checks for illegals based on our tax dollars, okay.
Uh he has all these green fantasies that the other caller mentioned.
He honestly believes that the homeless crisis is single women who work out there on the streets with their children, which is insane.
It's peep it's mental patients and drug addicts who want to live in uh open air drug supermarkets, and we need Republicans to stand up and say what it is.
Well, well, let me ask you a question.
If you're that unhappy with California, why don't you leave?
You know, I'll uh well don't worry, I'll be leaving.
And uh at the moment I have uh someone in my family who works in civil service, needs to get to the finish line on her pension.
Um but no, uh I will leave.
But but the thing is I think that he really believes that uh if he goes up against Trump, enough of the center of the country will not want a rerun against Trump.
He can smooth his way in as a younger, more lucid Democrat.
I think Newsom is up against a far greater challenge against DeSantis or Haley or any of those.
I don't think he fears Trump.
Do you believe him when he has said to me repeatedly that he is not running in 2024, and even going as far as to say that Kamala Harris would be next in line, not him.
No, wrong.
That's all PR.
He will absolutely seize this opportunity.
And again, most of America, they only hear about how bad it is in border states and how bad these woke fantasies have turned out for California.
But they well, let me ask you this then.
And then am I correct in telling people that you better pay attention to this guy and you better understand him?
Because I would guess he probably has presidential ambitions.
This is a very slippery snake.
And I absolutely applaud you.
Well, I I gotta I gotta I gotta be with him for two hours for an hour and a half tomorrow.
Easy.
I you know, if I gotta I gotta be I gotta be uh I gotta host this debate.
Uh, but that's your opinion.
Look, I've actually fine I found him personally to be very likable.
Personally.
He's well he's he and he's really good at at, you know, uh I would say spinning or or but but I also think foundationally, which and there are phony people.
I don't think he's phony about any of this.
I think he believes everything that he says.
I think this is his driving political ideology.
Do you doubt that?
Uh oh no, absolutely.
And also remember, he is he is counting on the fact that most of America does not really know the impact of what he's done here in California.
And a lot of America still believes that there is a democratic party.
They don't understand that it has become a far left uh far left show, and his woke nonsense has ruined this state, but he knows most of America doesn't live in this state, doesn't see the open border in their face every single day.
All right, appreciate the call.
When do you uh get out of there?
How long is how many more years to get the pension?
I I got about an 18-month clock ticking right now.
Be careful because they there was a proposal out there at one point.
I think that if you left and you were no longer a resident, that they would want the right to tax your income for 10 more years.
I'm like, you're not even living there and they want state income tax.
Yeah.
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