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	Well, one thing we haven't agreed to is a ceasefire.
	A ceasefire with Hamas means surrender to Hamas, surrender to terrorism.
	There won't be a ceasefire without the release of the Israeli hostages.
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	So it's clear that Israel is now in a fight for its survival.
	And I interviewed Prime Minister of Israel, B.B. Benjamin Netanyahu.
	Let me play this interview on the other side of it.
	There's been a march for Israel going on today, and people like David Schoen and others, Bill Jacobson, Cornell Law Professor, have been there.
	We're gonna get an update for them from them on what's going on.
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	But first, my interview with the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
	I've known you, we've been friends for decades, and I just want to express at the top of this interview uh my deepest sympathy uh for all that you and your fellow countrymen are going through.
	I remember you stood strong and steadfast with America after 9-11 and had a lot of moral clarity uh when others did not, and I'm grateful for that, and I think it's now time for America to do the same for you.
	Uh but I am my deepest sympathies for what you're dealing with.
	Well, thank you, Sean, and uh and thank the American people across the board, the American government, uh the Congress, the Senate, uh, the president, everybody uh has been very, very strong for Israel because they understand that our fight is your fight, and our victory is your victory.
	And there is no substitute for victory.
	We have to have the forces of civilization beat these barbarians because otherwise this barbarism will spread and will endanger the entire world.
	Every American, uh every civilized country would be under peril.
	We have to win.
	There is no substitute for victory.
	Total victory.
	Uh I I I hear you say that.
	It reminds me of Winston Churchill in World War II.
	Well, what what is our aim?
	Our aim, I could say in one word, victory.
	Then he spoke at length, victory against some monstrous tyranny.
	And this group Hamas is only one of your enemies, and they have in their very charter the destruction of your country.
	You actually use the phrase, if I could read it to you, if you want peace, you have to destroy Hamas.
	I agree with you.
	But that's Hamas in the South.
	Rockets are being fired into your country from the north out of Lebanon.
	You have the Houthi rebels that have declared war against you out of Yemen.
	You have Syria firing missiles at you.
	Then you then you have the head of the snake Iran orchestrating all of these proxy conflicts.
	So I I ask you this question.
	If we're going to define what victory looks like, doesn't that have to be Gaza could no longer be a launching pad for rockets being fired into your country?
	Lebanon could no longer be a launching area for rockets being fired into your country.
	Doesn't that mean the network of terror tunnels?
	And I've I've been in some of them as you know, uh, that all those terror tunnels have to be destroyed.
	Doesn't it also mean on some level that Iran has to be dealt with for total victory?
	Well, if you connect the dots, you see that there's an axis of terror here against an alliance for peace.
	The axis of terror is controlled by Iran, run by Iran, financed by Iran, Iran, Hezbollah in Lebanon, uh, Hamas in Gaza, the Houthis in Yemen, and their other minions.
	They want to bring the Middle East, the world back to the dark ages, early Middle Ages.
	That's what they are about.
	And on the other side stands Israel, the moderate Arab states, of course, the United States, all the forces that want to see uh peace, prosperity uh for the Middle East and for the world.
	And that's the battle that is being waged right now.
	It's being waged right now, most importantly and most decisively in Hamas, one of the extensions of this axis of terror.
	And everybody's waiting to see who's gonna win.
	Is Israel gonna win or Hamas going to win?
	But it's not merely Israel's victory, it's our victory over the Axis, because when they see that we defeated them in one place, we'll defeat them in every place because that's how power works.
	They want to see who's winning.
	We have to win, not only for our sake, for the sake of the Middle East, for the sake of our Arab neighbors.
	You know what?
	For the sake of Gazans who have been held by this dark tyranny that is brutalized and brought them nothing but bloodshed and poverty and misery.
	We have to win to protect Israel, we have to win to safeguard the Middle East, we have to win for the sake of the civilized world.
	That's the battle we're fighting, and it's being waged right now.
	There's no substitute for that victory.
	It'll affect the other theaters that you mentioned as well.
	Over 28 communities in the north, uh near the border with Lebanon have had to be evacuated.
	There's always been a concern about a two-front war.
	Um my concern is even larger than that.
	And that is that, you know, if rockets are being fired out of Syria or the Houthi rebels are firing rockets into Israel, that becomes an even bigger conflict.
	But I agree with your general point.
	You you always said that radical Islamists view Israel as the little Satan.
	America is the big Satan.
	That's a phrase you've used often.
	They've used it.
	They say America is the great Satan, and we're the small Satan.
	We're just a small Satan standing in their way to get at you, the great Satan, because they, you know what?
	All these radicals, these terrorists, these monstrous regimes and organizations, they say there's no difference between Israel and the United States.
	You are them, and they are you, because we represent these same values of freedom, respect for human life, respect for uh uh individual liberty.
	They have nothing of that.
	They don't care for their people, they don't care for liberty, they don't care for life.
	They glorify death, they glorify murder.
	Remember what happened here.
	I mean, what happened here was that Israel was attacked, unprovoked, by a sea of terrorists who stormed into our communities, murdered and raped women, uh, burnt children.
	Uh I I met a soldier today, an Arab soldier in the uh in the Israeli army who said the first thing I saw was the corpse of a woman beheaded.
	They behead women.
	They they fired on uh uh youngsters celebrating a music festival.
	They they put them in a deathbed, like in Babiar and the Holocaust, and fired machine guns into them, mowing them down.
	They took hostages.
	They took, they took a 10-month-old baby hostage.
	What kind of monsters hold babies hostages?
	Holocaust survivors, they took hostages, men, women, children, the elderly.
	These are monstrous, monstrous terrorists.
	And they perpetrated the worst horrors against the Jewish people since the Holocaust.
	And if we let them get away with it, this barbarism will spread.
	You know what the difference is, Sean?
	You know, at least the Nazis and Stalin, they wanted to hide their crimes.
	These people glorify their crime.
	They bring GoPro cameras for their murders to show the entire world.
	They celebrate it.
	So who's going to win?
	Are the good guys going to win or the bad guys are going to win?
	And of course, we have to make sure that the forces of good, the forces of peace, the forces of progress and prosperity, they win and not the forces that take us back to the dark ages.
	That's the battle, and it'll affect every single person, not only the Middle East, but well beyond.
	Because if Israel is in peril, if the Middle East goes down, Europe is next.
	It's like ISIS.
	You know, people thought it was a local thing.
	It wasn't.
	It was a global thing, and it affected Americans.
	It beheaded Americans.
	If we don't win now, then Europe is next, and you're next.
	And we have to win.
	We have to do that.
	There is no substitute for total victory.
	You mentioned the atrocities being chronicled, and they had GoPro cameras.
	The IDF has shown people in the media, and it's been described in great detail to me, and I have an appointment to see this as well.
	All of these human atrocities that you speak of are on video tape.
	You have some 40 plus minutes of tape available.
	And I've I've watched videos of beheadings.
	These are not images that one will ever be able to erase from their mind.
	And you wouldn't think that such evil exists in this world, but it does.
	And these tapes are available for the world to see.
	Would it be wise, perhaps, for the IDF to pixel out faces so that families are not uh having to deal with the trauma of seeing this.
	Uh, but let the world see the the magnitude of evil that you are destroying.
	Yes, they rape women.
	Yes, they slaughtered babies and women and children.
	Yes, they beheaded babies.
	Yes, they burn babies, all of which, you much of which has been chronicled.
	Would it be worthwhile for the world to fully to have the moral clarity to understand the barbarism, the monstrous evil that we're talking about here?
	Because it's it's on video tape.
	Yes, you're quite right.
	Uh there's sensitivity of the families.
	We we respect that, and we try to persuade them to do exactly what you said.
	And I think we're getting somewhere.
	We show it to selective leaders in America and elsewhere in the world, and people, you know, people watch these tapes and they shudder.
	Some break out into tears because the inhumanity, the deliberate, not merely the deliberate murder of people, the deliberate murder, mutilation, the ripping off of body parts, the beheading, they're so, you know, it's accompanied with such fiendish glee, the joy of murder, the joy of terror, the joy of torture.
	It's just absolutely extraordinary.
	And this is the battle we're fighting.
	Now, it's a very difficult enemy to fight because it's committing a double war crime.
	Not only is it deliberately targeting civilians, our civilians, but it's deliberately hiding behind their civilians because they implant themselves in schools and hospitals, uh, in uh in uh UN facilities in civilian neighborhoods.
	That's where they put their rockets that they that's where they put their command posts and they seek immunity there.
	And of course, we can't give them that immunity.
	We try to do everything in our power to minimize civilian casualties.
	But one thing we don't want to do, you know, everybody says the use of human shields, the use of civilians uh as uh as a shield for terrorists, that's wrong, okay?
	But we have to make sure that it's not merely condemned, we have to make sure that it's ineffective.
	And if the if the uh uh blame is directed against Israel, against the victim that is returning uh fire with the the most judicious use of uh military power that's possible in these circumstances.
	If blame is placed on Israel, then that tactic becomes effective and will be used again and again and again.
	And we can't allow that.
	In fact, Hamas is saying they'll do it again and again and again.
	And that's why we have to win out, root them out completely, but also send a message to the Axis of terror.
	You're not going to win.
	We're not going to let you do this.
	We defeated you here.
	We'll defeat you elsewhere.
	And we should have the entire civilized world line up behind behind Israel while it's fight it fights this battle of civilization.
	It's our common civilization against their common barbarism.
	Civilization must win.
	So Israel must destroy Hamas to have peace.
	If you want peace, destroy Hamas.
	If you want security, destroy Hamas.
	If you want to beat the Axis of terror, destroy Hamas.
	This is what Israel must do.
	This is what Israel is doing.
	But it's not only doing it for ourselves, for our sake, it's doing it for your sake too, for our common future.
	For the future, a better future for the for uh the Israel, for the Palestinians, for the Middle East, for the world.
	You know, when on one of my trips to Israel, and and I've been there a number of times, and I've interviewed you while in Israel.
	Uh but on one of the trips where there was a flare-up.
	Uh, that was when I went into one of the terror tunnels.
	So I went it's almost a hundred feet underground.
	It's it's sophisticated, you know, almost architecture, and it was all supposed to be humanitarian aid for hospitals and schools and infrastructure.
	Um, but I also stopped by a city, a border city that you know else they wrote.
	And while there, you know, prior to my arrival, they had been hit with 10,000 rockets in 10 years.
	Their children cannot play outside.
	They play in in bunker underground uh playgrounds in the in that city.
	Um, and that's the same with many border cities.
	And I I guess when we get to the the real heart of this, doesn't all of this have to be rooted out and and for example, while the Iron Dome has been enormously successful and helpful and intercepted thousands of missiles, uh, it can no longer be a launching pad.
	I go back to that part.
	But also, we you talk about Hamas must be destroyed.
	What about Hezbollah?
	Do you believe a victory over Hamas sends a strong enough message that they stop firing missiles from Lebanon into Israel?
	I think it's a necessary message, may not be sufficient, but it's definitely necessary because without victory in the South, you're certainly not going to have deterrence in the North against Guzbalah, and uh we'll have to deal with that.
	But I think the first step is the first step.
	And the first step means uh Hamas did this, Hamas is gonna pay for this.
	Uh, and it's gonna pay for this by its total eradication.
	By the way, you talk about underground tunnels.
	I mean, they've got a network there of hundreds of kilometers, hundreds of miles of underground tunnels that are used as terror tunnels, as command posts, as command bunkers.
	Uh, and and you know what?
	Their leader is like a little Hitler.
	He's sitting in the bunker and he's saying, I don't care about what happens to the civilian population on top.
	One of the Hamas spokesmen said the other day, you know, the the tunnels, the underground is for us, for the this messianic violent uh theological cult that has to be destroyed.
	And said above ground, that's not our responsibility.
	Civilian population, that's Israel's responsibility in the UN.
	They don't care a hoot about the civilian population.
	The only one that tries to keep them out of harm's way is Israel.
	We create safe passages, corridors, we create a safe zone for them.
	And as we ask them to leave, guess who's trying to prevent them from leaving the zone of fighting?
	Hamas.
	It's not Israel that is fi firing in the safe corridor given to Palestinians.
	It's Hamas.
	It's not Israel who's trying to keep these people at gunpoint in the zone of fighting.
	It's Hamas.
	So we're we're dealing here with a brutal enemy that is committing a double war crime of targeting our civilians and hiding behind their civilians, forcibly uh keeping them in the zone of fighting.
	And I think all those people who are naive and are uh, you know, who are either naive or or misinformed, or worse, who are condemning Israel, they should be, I mean, they really should be ashamed of themselves because they're aligning themselves with pure sheer evil.
	They should support the forces of civilization that are fighting this barbarism, because otherwise this barbarism will spread.
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	All right, so we just heard from the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu.
	Uh throughout the day today, there has been a march for Israel in Washington, D.C., our nation's capital.
	Uh our friend of this program, uh, David Schoen, civil rights attorney, is has been there throughout the day, is with us now.
	Sir, how are you?
	All right.
	So obviously, the Prime Minister, I agree with him completely.
	I think this is now a fight for Israel's survival.
	I don't think there's any other way to look at it.
	And the fact that, you know, we have an administration that has been pushing and pressuring, and I know the Prime Minister didn't want to go into it because you know, frankly, he needs America's support right now.
	He needs the world's support, and getting into a political, you know, uh disagreement with Joe Biden's not going to help him, you know, confront not only Gaza and Hamas in the south, but Hezbollah and Lebanon in the north, and never mind the Houthie rebels and the missiles being fired out of Syria.
	So he's in a tough spot, David.
	But I have to say this, first of all, you know, it was a great honor to be at the rally today.
	A couple hundred thousand people coming together, support for Israel to stand against anticipated hostages.
	Uh they had a prayer vigil earlier in the morning, 6 a.m. at the White House.
	I'm encouraged by that.
	But yes, look, the administration came out strongly uh originally, but now we're seeing statements from Secretary Blinken and others demanding a ceasefire at times uh or a temporary cease cessation of the um fighting and so on.
	That only only empowers Kama.
	Israel understands this.
	You this is a fight for its very existence.
	Stop.
	You know, it allows Tamas to regroup, kind of sorry.
	Yeah, that's exactly what it would do.
	Look, let me just give you some headlines.
	I went over earlier in the program today.
	Uh if you look at the New York Post today, they have a headline, Iran agents smeared foes, according to a report, an Iranian born Pentagon aid revealed this year to be part of a years-long Tehran-backed influence operation, also sought to undermine the leading, you know, group resisting uh the government of the Ayatollah Khamenei, and according to a report deliver, you know, delivered to President Biden.
	Then you have the New York Times reporting today, 400 members of the Biden administration, more than 400 political appointees, staff members, you know, some 40 government agencies sending a letter to Biden on Tuesday protesting his support of Israel and their war against uh Hamas.
	Uh then you have the Washington Free Beacon as an article out today about a federal program to help nonprofit groups protect against terror attacks.
	They've given millions of dollars to mosques and Islamic groups, some of which have praised terrorists and called for the destruction of Israel, and one more, also in the free beacon, is Biden is now eyeing new sanctions, a new sanctions waiver that would hand Iran, the number one state sponsor of terror, another 10 billion dollars.
	What the hell is wrong with him?
	It's just shocking.
	I mean, this State Department letter with a few hundred people, we've always known the State Department's been Arabist anti-Semitic, anti-Israel.
	But this is shocking.
	But all of that news is just absolutely reprehensible.
	It's as if we don't understand that we're the United States, have to be a beacon of light for the world, as Israel is in the Middle East.
	We have to stand up for principle.
	You know, we're complaining now because the other countries are talking about hitting the hospitals.
	Once a hospital is used as a command center and uh uh armament, that sort of thing, as we know the hospitals in Gaza are being used under international humanitarian law, they lose their status as protect targets.
	That's the that's the bottom line.
	And if people want to have a ceasefire cessation, demand the release of all of the hostages.
	The whole world should be re demanding here, five here, ten here.
	All of the hostages.
	We don't negotiate with terrorists.
	Release these people, release the children, release the grandparents, all of those.
	That's what the U.S. has to stand firmly behind.
	You know, I I tend to agree.
	We bring in Bill Ritt uh Jacobson rather, Cornell uh law professor.
	Uh let me remind everybody uh about the the comments made by a fellow professor of yours about being exhilarated after October 7th.
	Where is the Mason?
	Hamas shifted the balance of power.
	Hamas has punctured the illusion of invisibility.
	That's what they've done.
	You don't have to be a Hamas supporter to recognize them.
	They weren't able to breathe for the first time in years.
	It was exhilarating.
	It was exhilarating, it was energizing.
	And if they weren't exhilarated by this challenge to the monopoly of violence by this shifting of the balance of power, then they would not be you and I was exhilarated.
	Uh let me ask you, Bill Jacobson, you're a law professor at Cornell.
	Uh did you find it exhilarating with the slaughter of 1,400 people, the raping of innocent women, the beheading of innocent people, the beheading of children, the burning of children, the massacre of of of kids at a concert.
	I uh is that exhilarating by definition in your mind?
	It's obviously not.
	And it's also not exhilarating to any supporter of Israel that I know that Palestinian children have been killed.
	I mean, we mourn for that.
	We don't feel exhilarated by it.
	We don't celebrate it.
	Well, who is responsible for that?
	Because I would argue Hamas that wouldn't allow uh civilians to leave, Hamas that has always been using civilians as human shields, uh, that they're responsible for this.
	They started this war.
	Israel didn't want this war.
	Now Israel has to finish the war.
	Absolutely.
	I 100% agree with that point I'm making is that he felt exhilarated by the death of uh Jews.
	We don't feel exhilarated by the death of Palestinians.
	We recognize that it's a war situation, that uh Israel has military objectives, they're following the the rules of war.
	Um they're not targeting civilians, but my point is how horrible it is that someone would feel exhilarated about the death of any children.
	Let me ask you the question that I just asked David Schoen, this New York Post article about the Iranian agent, uh a Pentagon aid, uh and the story in the New York Times about more than four hundred political appointees and staff members representing forty government agencies sending a letter to Biden protesting his support of Israel,
	uh, or the Washington Free Beacon article on the Biden administration funding even radical mosques that call for the annihilation of Israel and and Biden eyeing new sanctions, uh a new sanctions waiver that could hand Iran another ten billion dollars.
	Your reaction to that.
	Yeah, well, I mean, I think if people remember this all goes back to the Obama administration and their grand bargain to essentially hand the region to Iran.
	So this is just a continuation.
	The Biden foreign policy team is the Obama foreign policy team.
	So this is nothing new.
	The coddling of the Mullers, the belief that the mullahs need to stay in power, uh, the mistaken belief that that somehow will help the United States.
	So this is all gets back to the grand bargain that the team Obama wanted to strike with the Mohers.
	Agree.
	Now, David, I mean, it is heartwarming to see as many people as we saw in Washington today.
	But, you know, we're we're hearing, you know, all over the world a level of anti-Semitism I don't think I ever expected to hear in my life.
	It's in the halls of Congress.
	It's at our most prestigious universities.
	It's at other colleges all around the country.
	You know, it's all throughout Europe.
	It's it's happening, you know, gas the Jews F the Jews in Australia, a chant.
	The call for antifada, uh, you know, from the river to the sea.
	How mu how much more did you ever think that that there was this much anti Semitism in the world?
	And how acceptable it is in these institutions.
	Well, that's the that's the key.
	We've always known it's around, but the acceptability now, the normal is absolutely shocking.
	This in Europe, you know, sort of England and France and so on.
	They knew who they were taking in at the time.
	This has been going on for quite a long time.
	Attacks on Jews in the city.
	But here in America, these are tearing down the posters of kidnapped babies, kidnapped grandparents, and all of that.
	This is just sick.
	These are thugs.
	I wish we never could have seen it coming, and I don't think we saw acceptability coming, as you said.
	Yeah.
	Um well, it it certainly is refreshing to see the other side of this because all throughout New York and you spend a lot enough time here to know.
	Um I passed through and saw one of these pro Hamas rallies.
	Uh you know, myself.
	I heard the chanting from the river to the sea and the call for Antifada.
	Um I saw Times Square look like New Year's Eve.
	There were so many people there.
	Uh and uh I just didn't realize there was so many radicals amongst us, David.
	Well, listen, what we're seeing in Congress now is unprecedented.
	It used to be Cynthia McKinney then she was run out of Congress because she was these people claybe Omar, Bush, uh and on and on.
	The hate squad are absolutely unadulterated bigots.
	They are hate mongers.
	They're I've said it before, um, they're no better than David Duke, and worse, they're more dangerous, certainly David Duke liars, and they they pose a real danger to our country.
	All right, quick break, we'll come back.
	We'll continue more with David Schoen.
	He has been all day at the March for Israel in DC.
	Uh, we'll get to your calls coming up.
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	All right, we continue now with Bill Jacobson, Cornell law professor, and David Schoen, civil rights professor.
	Uh attorney, and also he's been at the March for Israel all day in Washington, DC.
	I think we now have to talk about what Israel needs to do to defend itself.
	Number one, they can't listen to the Biden administration and they call for a temporary ceasefire.
	They've got to win the war.
	To me, the definition of winning the war has to look like this, Bill Jacobson.
	Uh Gaza could no longer be a launching pad for rockets into Israel, nor can Lebanon, where Hezbollah has been launching this has been going on for decades.
	The Iron Dome, you know, as great as it is, is only been a band-aid.
	The terror tunnels must all be destroyed.
	This network of hundreds of miles of tunnels that that were built by the the leaders of Hamas and and others.
	They have to go away.
	Uh if anybody else is firing rockets, they too must be destroyed, be it the Houthi rebels or or sympathizers in Syria.
	And then you've got this other issue that gets very complicated, and that is the head of the snake, and that would be Iran, which has been fighting these proxy wars and funding these groups and training these groups to attack Israel.
	They're at some point they're gonna have to be dealt with, and the that point has got to be before they become a nuclear armed country.
	Yeah, I think that's that's right.
	I mean, Gaza, Israel has to completely remove um Hamas and has to demilitarize Gaza so that it never rises again.
	We have a history here.
	Um a few, you know, attacks on their infrastructure doesn't do it.
	They just come back.
	They've announced they're gonna do this again.
	Their spokesman has announced it.
	So and it's Israelis have also been very clear.
	This is not something that's gonna be a matter of weeks, it's a matter of months.
	They're probably gonna have to spend six to eight months because Hamas is so dug in there.
	Just like the you know denazification of Germany took time, so is the dehamosification of Gaza.
	And I fear that the Biden administration, through various means, is going to try to get Israel to pull up short.
	And I hope they have the strength, because I think they have the backing of the American people, even if they don't have the U.S. State Department.
	I think they have the backing of the American people to finish getting rid of Hamas and finally at least but I'm but I'm saying, and I'll get David's take on this.
	David, I'm saying it's bigger than Hamas.
	It's also Hezbollah and Lebanon.
	It's also the Houthie rebels out of Yemen.
	It's also, you know, those that are firing rockets out of Syria.
	And then at some point, you gotta look to, you know, the origins of all this, and that that begins in Iran.
	Absolutely.
	It was itself.
	It's not just on Islam Jihad.
	We know they're uh hospital and so on.
	Um, you know, I I I studied these groups this long time when I represented American victims of Palestinian terrorist.
	And I I have to tell you, Abbas Satak is really not they haven't engaged in this kind of mutilation, barbarism.
	Hamas has, but they are dedicated to destruction of Israel.
	A recent poll showed, however, Israeli Arabs at something like 70% favor living in the country of Israel and of Israel rather than under the authority of Abbas or a Hamas or otherwise.
	Now what we know the real facts on the ground, Hamas is getting overwhelming fashion.
	So just remove a Hamas isn't gonna do it.
	It starts with Iran.
	You're a hundred percent right.
	You see, Iran now using proxies to attack United States troops.
	At some point, we have to come to terms with it as horrible and as dangerous as it seems if they risk the very existence of the world.
	Well, their new relationship with China, Russia, North Korea, uh ought to scare the entire world because that could expedite uh their desire to acquire nuclear weapons and nuclear weapons married to this this radical sick, you know, ISIS, you know, converter die mentality is a is an existential threat to everybody in the world.
	Uh anyway, David, thank you.
	Bill Jacobson, thank you.
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