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Devastating Mistakes - November 7th, Hour 3
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A number of years ago, we had on this program, and he will join us here in a second, Mosab Hassan Youssev, a Palestinian author of the bestseller, Son of Hamas.
Now, his background is that he grew up on the West Bank.
He worked for the Israeli security and intelligence community as a double agent, and he knows the inner workings about all things Hamas and just how evil their worldview is.
I mean, all you really need to do is just take a look at Hamas's own charter, which calls for the destruction of Israel, or look at what happened on the 7th of October, or look at the, you know, last however many years and the hundreds of thousands of rockets that Hamas has fired into, you know, neighboring border towns like Steyrot, where we were.
We were there, and the night before we got there, a kibbutz, a neighborhood, was hit with a rocket.
It's so difficult.
I mean, in 10 years, 10,000 rockets have been fired into that one town.
Imagine that.
Imagine living with that every day.
Anyway, before the age of 21, Mosab Hassan Yousf saw things that no one should ever see.
He saw poverty, abuse of power.
He saw torture.
He saw death.
He witnessed the behind-the-scenes dealings of top Middle Eastern leaders who made headlines around the world.
He was trusted at the highest levels of Hamas.
He participated in what they call antifata, and he was held captive deep inside Israel's most feared prison facility.
And his dangerous choices and unlikely journey, you know, through all these places made him a traitor in the eyes of the people that he loves and gave him, you know, access to extraordinary secrets.
And he wrote about it.
And, you know, he's the this book became a huge bestseller, The Son of Hamas.
And anyway, we welcome back to the program, Mosab Hassan Youssef.
Sir, welcome back to the program.
Hi, Sean.
Thank you for having me back.
Let's talk about your life and your time with the group Hamas.
And I want you to bring as much color and insight so people really understand what Israel's enemies, why something like October 7th happened, why out of Gaza, Hamas fires, you know, hundreds of thousands of rockets, almost always in a state of war.
You know, why they build 300 miles, this network of terror tunnels instead of infrastructure and hospitals and schools.
Just tell us about your life growing up with them.
Yes.
Well, you know, growing up, I did not see the true nature of Hamas because, you know, that was my family's business.
And we had advantages, you know, to be the son of a top Hamas leader in that culture.
I was like a prince.
You know, I had the protection of the family of the father, respectability, status, money, power, fame, all that.
So it was very hard for me to see the danger of Hamas organization.
But as you mentioned, when I was in Israeli prison and Hamas in that prison was killing our own people, I experienced firsthand Hamas brutality.
And when I say brutality, I mean killing, butchering, torturing in the worst possible way.
And that was against our own people, was not against Israel.
Long story short, this is when I started questioning the true nature of Hamas.
And I started a journey to realize what Hamas is.
It was very hard for me to disconnect because it meant going against the flow of my society, going against the interest of my own father, going against the interest of our tribe, basically.
And that was the most dangerous decision I made in my life.
Let me talk about the, first of all, you just mentioned how they treat each other.
What was the general thought process about Israel and Jewish people?
What were you taught as a kid?
There is lots of hatred towards the Jewish people.
It's not a secret.
And from early age, that was expressed by the parents, by the mosque, by the school, on the streets.
Here in the United States, it's considered as a hate crime.
There, it's just part of the culture.
To stab a Jew or to kill a Jew, to blow up a bus, it's praised in that culture.
Is it praised?
You know, this whole idea of convert or die, were you taught that philosophy that the mission of radical Islamists is that they are to convert the world or kill those that won't convert?
This type of conditioning doesn't happen just overnight.
You know, it's a process.
But I'm asking, was that what you were ultimately taught?
In somehow, some way, yes.
Now, were you led to believe, were people led to believe that if they killed the infidels or Jewish people or people that were non-Muslim, again, we're talking about radical Islamists, we're talking about the terror group Hamas.
Were they taught that if in fact they chose martyrdom, that they would be rewarded in heaven with 72 virgins?
Is that true?
Yes, but it's not only about temptation.
You know, this is really watering down, you know, the danger of such a group.
You know, we just they're not only tempted by a promise in the other life, you know.
It's a lot more than that.
There is the national dimension that first of all, they consider that they are oppressed.
So now they are victims.
Once an individual agree to become a victim, this is a very strong motive.
Then this motive advances when there is a religious dimension to it, you know, ideological dimension that Allah himself, you know, hated the Jewish people.
And this is very clear in the Quran.
And many people say, no, this is not in Islam.
And I say, no, it is in Islam.
You know, there was a big problem between the Prophet Muhammad and the Jewish communities of the Arab Peninsula.
So Muhammad himself struggled against them and he killed them.
He fought against them, many military campaigns, many raids.
So in the Quran, you know, you find that the Jewish people were disobedient and therefore Allah punished them in the worst possible way.
So now you bring nationalism on the top of ideological extremism, then you have personal hatred to add to the recipe.
Then this very toxic brew, you know, would lead to a suicide bombing attack.
So it's not as simple as, okay, you know, you take a kid and you tell him, listen, you go kill a Jew or you go kill, let's say, an American, and I promise you 72 virgins.
You know, then he goes.
It's a lot more complicated than that.
It's brainwashing.
It's very sick conditioning and does not take place.
You know, of course, not everybody in that culture also falls into this trap.
Well, you know, let's go to, for example, you know, in the years leading up to this past October 7th, where 1,400 Israelis were slaughtered, I think the sickest part of this is many of the terrorists, the Hamas terrorists, use GoPros.
And as part of their GoPro, you know, they wanted a chronicle.
And a very dear friend of mine saw all of these videos and said it was the equivalent of Nazi Germany.
That the lack of humanity was shocking.
It shocks the conscience.
It shocks the soul.
So what is in the mind of the Hamas killers, the Hamas terrorists, as they are beheading even babies?
You know, this is hatred in action.
You know, the Hamas brutality really does not differentiate.
And as I told you, even against the Palestinian people, they threw their rival party fatah members from the 27th or 21st story building alive.
You know, this is how bad it was in 2007.
So Hamas blew up buses, you know, indiscriminately.
And they killed all types of people, including Americans, in the 1990s and in the 2000s, early 2000s.
So can you imagine also a suicide bomber, you know, when they blow themselves up at the market or at the beach, even university, school, synagogues, they targeted everywhere.
So that was also very ugly.
So if they have this kind of mentality that someone to blow himself up and just ruin so many innocent people's lives, there is no limit for how far they can go.
Hence, I was not, I myself wasn't surprised by their brutality and what they did in the communities surrounding Gaza.
But the scale of their attack was much bigger than I expected.
That was my surprise.
But their brutality to kill all type of people, even the most innocent, like children, women, stories about rape, even they went beyond that.
They kidnapped corpses.
They kidnapped dead people because they think there is a value to this corpse and they can exchange it for money or for prisoners.
They took dead people as hostages.
There is nothing.
that can be compared to their brutality.
Even when you say Nazism, it's actually understatement in comparison to what Hamas did on October 7th.
So I guess now you understand this.
Do you think that the people of Gaza, the Palestinian people, sympathize, many of them tend to sympathize with the terror group Hamas, or do they feel tyrannized by Hamas?
Because, for example, as Israel was warning the people of Gaza to get the hell out or die, you know, it was Hamas that was stopping them from doing so.
Listen, even the Gazan silence, you know, the Palestinian silence, that I don't hear a clear voice that stands firmly and say Hamas does not represent the Palestinian people, not even one solid individual that can say that.
And this silence by itself is participating with Hamas, directly or indirectly.
Now, sympathizing with Hamas, of course, there is a big class of people in Gaza.
I don't want to say a majority because I don't have statistics, but there are lots of people in Gaza who support Hamas, give them material support, and they voted for them.
Hamas were elected in Gaza.
It has been a while, but they were elected.
It means that a majority of people of Gaza voted for them.
And now, a majority of people in Gaza failed to renounce Hamas, to reject Hamas, to say this does not represent us.
And this silence, you know, an inability to stand for the truth makes them partners in this.
So we can say civilians, there are innocent civilians.
Those could be the children.
But the majority, I'm not sure about their innocence.
Should the world understand that they are dealing with the worst terrorists that want people that are not like them dead?
Is that how they should be viewed?
And do you think the only way to deal with them is to destroy them?
Go ahead.
Listen, Sean, the only cure for Hamas today, you know, and I speak on the authority of someone who knows them very, very well.
I was born in the heart of their leadership, the founder of the movement, one of the founders of the movement.
I bet they'd love you dead, wouldn't they?
It doesn't matter what they wish.
The truth is that they are brutal.
And the international community tried with Hamas in every possible way.
And Hamas still insists on annihilating the state of Israel.
And now they are gambling with the children's blood.
And this is unforgivable.
Let me tell you, this is unforgivable.
Hamas gambled with children's blood.
And this is a red line for any individual with consciousness.
Hence, the final resort and the last resort is the use of force.
There is no other option, and there is no way around it.
Hamas must be removed from power.
Hamas must be eradicated.
And this is what Israel is doing now on behalf of you, on behalf of me, on behalf of children of Gaza, and on behalf of the free world.
Masab Hassan Yousf.
The book is called Bestseller, Son of Hamas.
Thank you for that insight.
We appreciate it.
And I hope you stay safe so you can continue to tell the world.
Thank you, sir.
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Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
Bad faith, political warfare, and frankly, bullshit.
We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.
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We've been in political media for a long time.
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That's why we started Normally, a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity.
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We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously.
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What I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi.
Nine times out of 10, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.
Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
Bad faith, political warfare, and, frankly, bullshit.
We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.
You put two and two together.
Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?
Benghazi is a Rosetta Stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.
I'm Leon Mayfook from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries.
This is Fiasco, Benghazi.
What difference at this point does it make?
Yes, that's right.
Locker up.
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Remember, we were playing from over the weekend, all these people in front of Joe Biden's White House, Alaho Akbar, F. Joe Biden.
Let me just remind you.
House!
When you kill 10,000 Palestinians, not because of what they've done, but because of who they are.
When you commit genocide against a people and destroy a people in whole or in part, you are guilty of genocide.
Now, in light of what John Kirby, White House propagandist, Biden still believes a reoccupation of Gaza by Israeli forces is not good for Israel.
Israel was not occupying.
They haven't been there in 15 years.
Nice try.
And then he goes on to say Biden still believes in a two-state solution.
No, there's only really one solution now for Israel if they want to forever prevent Gaza and Lebanon from being launching pads for their rockets into their country to preserve their country.
And that is to defeat them and make sure they can never be a launching area ever again.
But listen to the stupidity of this administration.
Well, the president still believes that a reoccupation of Gaza by Israeli forces is not good.
It's not good for Israel, not good for the Israeli people.
I'll let Prime Minister Netanyahu speak to whatever his post-conflict plans are.
I can tell you, though, that one of the conversations that Secretary Blinken's been having in the region is: you know, what does post-conflict Gaza look like?
You know, what does governance look like in Gaza?
Because whatever it is, it can't be what it was on October 6th.
It can't be Hamas.
But it's also important to remember that we still believe in a two-state solution.
In the United States, we still, President Biden still supports this as a viable vision and a promise for both a Jewish democratic state and a free and independent Palestinian state.
That is the way we believe that both sides can live in peace and security going forward.
And even though we're in the middle of a conflict, Phil, the president hasn't given up on that.
And we're continuing to talk to our partners throughout the region about how to get back on track to some sort of viable two-state solution here.
I mean, they just don't get it.
It's like, you know, here you have a guy that grew up the son of Hamas, the son of a leader of Hamas, telling you exactly who they are, what they believe in, how twisted their ideology is.
And believe me, Hamas would love this guy to be dead.
But he bravely told the story.
He continues to tell his story, wrote a best-selling book on this.
And still people don't listen.
Part of me just can't figure it out.
All right, let's say hi.
I believe it's, is it Mayor in North Carolina?
Mayor, how are you?
Mayor?
Hey, how are you doing, Sean?
Good.
What's going on?
What can I do for you?
Good.
It's an honor to talk to you.
So I grew up in Israel.
I live down within North Carolina, but I grew up in Israel.
And I just want to say one story from a good buddy of mine.
He's a fighter in one of the units of IDS.
And when they were clearing over there, one of the houses after the attack on October 7, they went inside of one bedroom.
Sorry if I'm getting too emotional.
They went inside one of the houses, one of the bedrooms.
They saw two 14, 15 years old girls laying down on the ground, one on the bed, one on the bed, one on the ground.
They were not wearing pants.
And what those monsters did to them, they raped them right before they executed them on the floor, 14, 15 years old.
Now, Sean, I'm a dad.
I have two girls.
We live here in the United States now.
We are, I want to say, safe as far as everything goes now in the world.
But when I'm seeing those riots, when I see all those people going to New York, in Chicago, in Washington, this is just show me how deep they got into our country, our places.
And I just want to tell a warning for everybody to just listen.
This is how it started in Israel.
It started with riots, with people going, it's called the Tifada.
Google it.
All right.
They did it in 2000.
They did it in 2001.
This is how it starts.
And they're getting more and more.
And I promise you, within those people that we saw on the news, there are people who are willing to bomb themselves.
All right.
They will bomb themselves in bus stations, in train stations, in your schools, everywhere.
They will do it.
They don't care about life.
They praise the death.
They believe that dying will make them good, will make them holy.
Most of us don't understand it.
We praise the life we try to live peacefully.
They don't see it that way.
And that's it.
I'm not a big man of words.
I just want to share my point of view of it.
Well, you got to think about this one way.
I don't know how you are.
The idea that there are many, many people in this world that would be willing to murder innocent people and, in the case of young girls, to rape them ahead of time.
And what?
Do you go home and eat lunch and dinner after that?
And you don't realize the evil that you've committed.
I mean, people that have a conscience, a heart, and a soul would be incapable of such actions.
You know, I talk a lot about self-defense.
And I've said this on the air.
And actually, people have challenged me on this.
I said, if I was in a situation where people wanted to confront me and I had an opportunity, let's say I knew the whole thing was being videotaped and a bunch of people wanted to bring me harm, but I knew I had the ability to defend myself, which I do.
And if there was any moment of opportunity where I could on camera look like the biggest gutless coward in the world and run away rather than bring harm to another person, I would run away.
That would look pretty cowardly on TV, wouldn't it?
That would look pretty gutless of me, wouldn't it?
And if the world saw it, I wouldn't care because I would know in my heart that I did everything humanly possible to prevent myself from ever having to be in a situation to hurt somebody.
I don't want to hurt anybody.
You know, I've had a license to carry my entire adult life.
You know, I've learned how to defend myself with my hands and mixed martial arts.
By the way, Linda, Linda got a dose of this when we were training with special forces.
You know, my sensei was there with us.
Sweet baby James was there with us.
I think you were shocked.
And you know, I've been doing this for 12 years.
I don't know why everyone was acting so why was everyone acting so shocked?
I don't think it's that we were acting shocked.
I think it's just it's just a it's just a level of violence to see up close.
But I think what's sad about this caller is he's talking about two young teenage girls, virgins, laying in bed, raped, mutilated, murdered, like that.
They can't protect themselves.
I don't care if they trained crawling their whole life.
And I'm not saying that that's what it is.
I am only saying that I'm making the analogy that good people can't really wrap their arms around the evil that you're describing.
That's where I was going with this because that's evil.
I mean, the Western mind cannot understand it.
We can't.
No, the Western mind can because it's happening in cities all over the United States.
It's happening here.
That's what I'm saying that I don't know how to listen.
I served in the idea.
I was a soldier.
I was doing my job.
But in no point, any of us, and I'm talking about like, I know a lot of people that served, serving and will serve, right?
My younger brother just joined the IDF like two weeks ago.
All right.
So in no point, any of us wanted to go to war.
Any of us.
We were all about peace and do our job and protect.
It's cold.
No.
And now you're put in a position where your very survival is in jeopardy.
And so you really have no choice.
And that means that you're going to have to defend yourself.
And that means you're going to probably kill the bad guys.
And you know what?
If you had your way, you didn't want this war.
You didn't want 1,400 dead Israelis.
You didn't seek out this conflict.
They brought it to you.
And that's why, you know, the analogy I was just trying to make here is it's very hard for good people to wrap their minds around such evil existing, but that is the reality of the world we live in, sadly.
Yeah, that's the situation.
It's horrible.
It's terrifying.
And now that it's here, to be honest, I'm a Jew.
You know, I'm a Jew.
I lived in Israel.
I certainly have.
As soon as it started, the first thing my wife told me was like, when are we buying more guns?
It was the first reaction of I think every Jew in the United States were like, okay, let's go.
Let's arm ourselves because it will come to our door.
So we saw it.
We saw on 7th of October, people were in their houses living their life, music festival.
No one wanted to fight or anything.
It was a holiday.
It was Simchatawa.
It's the happy holiday of the coming rain, coming winter.
And they finished the Torah.
We finished the Torah on those days, like the Bible on this week.
It's a very happy, peaceful holiday.
And all people want to do was live in their life and enjoy it with their family.
And instead of that, they got people beheaded.
People got murdered in their, like, I know a lot of people in the world are feeling the same.
Like, they're feeling how hard it is.
But as a person that lives there and know what, we don't have a lot of Israelis.
We don't have a lot of Jews in the world.
It's like 19 million of us in the whole world.
Like, it's a small percentage of the world.
Like, we're not.
There's only nine and a half million in Israel directly.
Yeah, 1,400 of us dying.
You can't wrap your head around it.
I don't know.
Like, every single person I know have someone died, kidnapped, murder in that day.
This is how crazy it is.
So when our soldiers go, when the Israeli soldier is going right now and they fight, they don't fight for revenge.
They don't fight for, oh, we like blood.
We want to kill, we want to kill them all.
We want to just do genocide in Gaza, whatever the world is.
You have no choice.
They want to destroy Israel.
It's protecting our kids.
There is like 20 kids right now.
I saw it.
Me and my wife were talking about maybe adopt one of them.
They have no parents.
Their parents got murdered right in front of their eyes.
Like, who does this?
Who wants to do this?
Who feel like it's a good idea to wake up in the morning, take a gun, and shot a mother right in front of her kid?
Like, I don't know, Sean, you know, like, uh, thank you for, for, for you and for everything you do and everything you said, because the world needs to hear it with all the, the, the, let me, let me add one thing to this.
This war was brought to Israel.
Israel did not want this war.
Innocent people were slaughtered.
Anyone with a heart, conscience, and soul does not want evil like that to happen.
But it happened.
And the world should have moral clarity in moments like this, and it doesn't.
There is a moral ambiguity and a justification for this that is insane.
Our prayers are with you.
Our prayers are with the people of Israel.
And my prayer is that you win the war that you didn't want to fight.
You have to win it now because they are at war with you.
Godspeed.
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It does amazing.
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You'll be a more, you'll be around firearms more often, and that makes you more safe and secure.
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All right, that's going to wrap things up for today.
We're loaded up tonight.
Obviously, it is election night in America, and that's getting, you know, pretty interesting.
Natalie Bennett, the former prime minister of Israel, will be on also the family members of some of the hostages tonight.
That's part of our coverage as well.
We also have a full election analysis.
Brett Baer, Jim Jordan, Kaylee McEnany, Charlie Hurt, Stephen Miller, Ryan Sprivas.
Anyway, Setya DBR will be on 9 Eastern, our usual time.
It's going to be fun to watch Virginia in particular, but Mississippi and all the other states in this off-year election with stakes being pretty high.
That's 9 Eastern tonight.
Set your DBR.
Hannity on Fox.
We'll see you tonight.
Back here tomorrow.
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