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Senator Tom Cotton - October 20th, Hour 2
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If you want to be a part of the program, the controversial nomination of Jack Lew, you might remember his Treasury secretary under Obama and his role in the facilitating of the money to Iran and now being put up to be ambassador to Israel, which is just insane, has gotten a lot of attention in D.C.
And anyway, Jack Lew, under questioning from Senator Ted Cruz, you know, just refuses and dodges and ducks and and and weaves away from answering these questions about whether he believes the world is safer because of the Iran deal.
And then he does want to answer whether or not Ted Cruz's question, if he thinks it's a good idea to send humanitarian aid to Gaza and.
Anyone with half a brain knows that aid is going right into the hands of terrorists known as Hamas that are in full control of Gaza.
And yet, Joe, your president wants to put a hundred million dollars in the hands of uh the the Palestinians, but yet we know the Palestinian authority is now likely to pay the people involved in the terror attacks recently on Israel.
It's insane.
Here's Ted Cruz questioning.
On October 7th, Hamas used swarms of sophisticated drones in their October 7th attack.
Do you believe the world is safer today because of 233 2231 and the expiration of the arms embargo allowing Iran now to sell uh inter b uh ballistic missiles and long-range drones?
Senator, I think you would have to agree that the history of the U.S. engagement on JCPOA has changed substantially since I sat in this room.
Do you think the world is better and safer with the arms embargo expires?
But Senator, if the U.S. was not yes or no.
Are we safer today with the with no arms embargo?
I think it's a much more complicated than that because we're not part of JCPOA, therefore there was no extension of the arms embargo.
I would have advocated for an extension of the arms embargo, and we might well have been.
And by the way, the Biden administration's been in power two and a half two and a half years.
The arms embargo is expiring today, and you were pivotal in that happening.
Under ordinary anti-terrorism laws, you can't send money where there's a high risk it'll be used for terrorism.
But what did the Biden administration do?
It waived our anti-terrorism law because their political agenda was so important they were willing to take that high risk.
Was it a mistake to send hundreds of millions of dollars to Gaza that in a very real and practical way funded the death squads and funded the rockets that are being used to murder Israelis?
Senator, I was not in government at the time these decisions were made and was it a mistake?
I'm not familiar with the back and forth that you're referring to, but my understanding is the funding that went to Gaza was for things like the hospital and and humanitarian.
So was OFAC wrong when it concluded there's a high risk that Hamas could d derive benefits?
Senator, I I would have to look at the document to have higher.
I have high regard for OFAC.
Um I I I just am not familiar with the document.
So is the world safer or less safe because hundreds of millions of dollars were sent to Gaza when it's controlled by Hamas.
Senator Hamas's activities uh have proven how evil they are and how important it is to be.
So you're Not answering that question.
Anyway, joining us now is Senator Tom Cotton, great state of Arkansas.
Senator, welcome back to the program.
Hey, Sean, thanks for having me on.
Let's let's get your reaction to how is it even possible that somebody that had the mindset of Jack Lou and facilitated that that really stupid deal it, you know, enriching the Iranians.
Now that that nuclear deal, if you recall, there was no American inspections allowed at all.
And any place, any time, anywhere inspections did not exist.
We already know that the Iranians never once complied with with any points in that agreement.
And we know they're still pursuing their nuclear weapons and are closer than they've ever been.
So uh how does this make any sense?
Sean, it doesn't make any sense.
Uh Joe Biden of the last three years has just picked up where Barack Obama left off trying to appease and conciliate the Ayatollahs, which of course has emboldened them to support the kind of attacks by their proxy group, Hamas that we saw a couple weeks ago, the worst slaughter of Jews, since War II and one of the worst terror attacks on Americans in modern times.
And Jack Lew was right in the middle of it, uh Sean.
It wasn't just that he supported and implemented and championed the nuclear deal with Iran.
He went over and above that, Sean.
He testified to Congress in the summer of 2015 that Iran would not be able to access the U.S. financial system.
Seven months later, in February of 2016, he broke his promise.
And he gave them a license to convert almost six billion dollars in Omani currency to U.S. dollars.
And then he lied to Congress about that a couple years later.
So it's much worse than just advocating for and implementing the nuclear deal, which is bad enough.
It's that he lied to Congress about giving them sanctions relief over and above the nuclear deal.
And that's to say nothing, Sean, for his repeated criticisms of Benjamin Netanyahu, for instance, for speaking to Congress in 2015, or his defense of Barack Obama's refusal to protect Israel from yet another anti-Semitic UN resolution.
Now I know that Democrats say, like, well, we've got to confirm Jack Lew to show our support for Israel.
I would turn that around, Sean.
What we need to do is defeat Jack Lew's nomination to show a new, tougher approach to Iran.
Yeah.
So I looked over the Senate report from 2018 that found that Lou during his tenure as Secretary of the Treasury granted this specific license that you just referred to that authorized the conversion of Iranian assets worth billions of U.S. dollars using the U.S. financial system.
Uh that report also found the administration tried to convert five point seven billion dollars from U.S. banks to Iranian assets.
It noted the Treasury's Office of Foreign Asset Control encouraged two U.S. cor uh correspondent banks to convert the funds in January.
Announced four hundred million in cash in a transfer to Iran, which which Lou faced scrutiny for at that time.
And the Wall Street Journal reported at the time that the payment was conducted using this combination of Swiss and other foreign currencies, then transported to Iran in these cargo planes that we had talked at the time so much about.
And and to me, you know, at that point, if you're not going to explain why you did that, and you can't answer fundamental questions, you are unfirst of all, your decision making shows you're not qualified for this position.
Is that the number one world sponsor of terror?
Number two, the fact that you're trying to hide it, I'm I mean, it almost sounds like a Biden family uh, you know, uh syndicate operation where they're funneling money here, there, and anywhere just to get money to Iran mules, which for the life of me, Senator, I can't understand.
Yeah, Sean, you laid out the facts well, and I just want to stress the audience.
Those facts they don't come from Sean Hannity, they don't come from Tom Cotton, they don't come from our friend Lindsay Graham.
They come from official report of the Senate's permanent subcommittee on investigations led by Rob Portman, one of the most widely respected senators uh in recent times from 2018.
These are facts.
These are not allegations.
These are not opinions, and Jack Lou won't even answer them in testimony.
That's why he cannot be trusted to be our ambassador.
The broader policy, as you say, is also crazy.
That we would be enriching one of our worst enemies, giving them hundreds of billions of dollars in sanctions relief under the Obama administration now, giving them almost another hundred billion dollars in relief, whether it's paying them ransom for six million dollars or letting them export oil to China, our worst enemy in the world, in violation of U.S. sanctions policy.
It's little wonder that the Ayatollahs feel emboldened to strike at the United States as we've had more than or at least seven attacks on Americans in the region in just the last two days, and that they feel emboldened to support groups like Hamas as they try to try to kill more Israelis.
Let's talk about where we are.
We know the ground incursion is is imminent.
It is happening, it's been green-lighted.
We also have the additional warrior certainly Israel does, but any but any peace-loving American should have it as well.
Uh, you know, a two-front war, that being from the north.
Then we've got this little warning from a country called Iran yet again that time is up, and and they themselves are threatening to involve themselves.
Now, Israel, I don't think is going to have a problem with Hezbollah in the north and got and Hamas in the in the south and the Gaza border.
Um, but now if the Iranians directly involve themselves, we know they're providing weaponry, we know they're providing military assistance.
We know that they were involved in the plotting and planning of of this worst terror attack in Israel's history.
Uh, if they get it if they take on further involvement in this, if they take on a bigger role in this, if they are actively now also at war with Israel, what does that mean, Senator?
Well, Sean, first off, it'll mean that Joe Biden has once again failed to deter Iran, uh a virulent anti-American anti-Israel regime.
Uh, what he should have done from the moment this attack happened on October 7th, this will make it crystal clear to Iran and to Hezbollah and to other Iranian supported terrorist groups, that any any effort to open a second front in Israel, any attack on Americans in the region will be treated by the United States as a direct attack by Iran on the United States, and we'll be met with massive retaliation.
I'm afraid he didn't do that, or if he did, Ayatollahs didn't believe him, because again, we've had at least seven attacks on Americans in the last 48 hours in the Middle East.
And look what also happened.
One of our Navy destroyers in the Red Sea had to shoot down land attack cruise missiles being fired from Yemen, presumably to the north into Israel.
Where did a bunch of goat herders in Yemen get cruise missiles, Sean?
These aren't RPGs or AK-47s, they're cruise missiles.
And the answer is they got them from Iran, and Iran has unleashed all of its proxies to try to kill Americans and to try to kill more Israelis.
Quick break more with Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton as we continue.
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Can we play this out a little bit?
Let's say it's a two-front war to start, and then we have military involvement by Iran.
How does that change the equation?
To me, that that we then run the risk of a wider conflict and war that could drag in the entire Middle East.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe that's maybe that's way over the top in my thinking.
Correct me if you think I'm wrong.
Number two, at that point, I think all bets are off in terms of what Israel's response and what their options then are, because their very existence is then hanging in the balance from my perspective.
Again, tell me if I'm wrong.
No, I don't I don't think you're wrong on either front, Sean.
On the first point, uh the risks of inaction here outweigh the risk of action.
Joe Biden and liberals typically only focus on the risk of action.
Well, they they shot at another American base, but they didn't kill any Americans, they just wounded some.
We should turn the other cheek.
Or they're demanding more sanctions relief, and they're saying they're going to kill Americans if we don't give it to them.
They always obsess about the risks of action.
But as we see time and again throughout the annals of history, just look at World War One and World War II, the risk of inaction is often greater and is likely to provoke more attacks on America, more attacks on Israel.
So I think President Biden has to be clear, isn't it?
If Israel or if Iran strikes at Israel or strikes at more Americans.
And if it is a wider war with Iran and Hezbollah, then yes, I'm confident that Israel would do what is necessary to ensure the survival of the Jewish nation.
That's a frightening scenario, Senator, because uh uh it's not being said, but we know what's on the table.
Uh if if Benjamin Netanyahu and Benny Gantt and Joab Gallant and their war cabinet uh are convinced uh that uh that the Jewish nation's survival is at stake, I am confident they will do take all necessary steps to ensure its survival.
Let me ask the harder question.
And and I know America's appetite towards being engaged in foreign entanglements uh is not very strong right now, and frankly, for good reason, because what happens almost every time and is that you know everyone's all gung-ho.
Oh, okay, we're gonna get involved in this conflict or or whatever, and they get involved, then all of a sudden, uh over time the war becomes politicized, and then it gets criticized, and then people there, you know, they begin to get uh soft in their support, and then they say, Oh, never mind, and then they want a pull out in the case of Biden and Afghanistan, that pull out was a disaster.
And and I fear that any any military action that is not swift and quick, you know, uh we risk losing public support for it.
What should America's role be?
Well, well, Sean, I think you make some good points about how hesitant, cautious half measures often do end up failing not just on the battlefield, but they quickly lose political support.
And if you're involved in big issues, you should never go with little measures.
Um I I would remind listeners, for instance, of what Ronald Reagan did in 1988 after he had warned Iran not to put mines in the Persian Gulf, and they did, and it struck one of our Navy vessels.
Within a few days, he launched attacks that sank half of Iran's Navy.
And guess what?
They stopped mining the Persian Gulf.
So there are many, many shades uh of action from nothing at all, which is what Joe Biden specializes in, to invading a country and toppling its government and occupying it for years.
And as you see with Reagan, not just in the tanker war, but in bombing Libya after the West Berlin uh um Bombing of our American troops.
There are actions that you can take that are swift and decisive and that will restore the healthy fear that Iran should have of the United States.
We really appreciate your leadership, Senator.
I mean, you have just been rock solid on every single issue that we call and ask you for comment on, and we appreciate it a lot.
Thank you, sir, for being with us.
Thank you, Sean.
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Uh Jeff Long Island, next Sean Hannity Show.
How are you, Jeff?
Glad you called, sir.
Hi, Sean.
First time calling, longtime listener.
Um The point I I really wanted to make is I spent uh a little free time I had at work yesterday calling our congressman from Long Island.
Uh I called all three and uh including the one in my district, uh Lotta, Garberino, and Desposito.
And evidently they voted as a block um to defeat Jordan's bid for speaker, uh, because in the past he's voted against some funding uh for uh um things that would be advantageous to our area.
But the problem I'm having is they're not.
By the way, the let me just tell you what the New York delegation has been holding out on, all right?
Because I I let me bring you behind the scenes and into the weeds where I've been pretty much throughout the entire process.
And a lot of it has to do with the state and local tax deduction that was taken away with the Trump tax bill.
Now, what that means is these New York representatives, they're they're trying to represent, you know, the people in this case, Long Island, other places in New York, um, they didn't like that that deduction was taken away.
But here's how I looked at it at the time.
Donald Trump's tax cut did not help me.
It hurt me.
And the way it hurt me is the state local taxes that I have been paying, because New York is such a a highly taxed state, was no longer deductible for me.
And that, you know, when you're looking at 13, 15 percent, I mean, it is it's a you know, pretty significant sum of money for everybody.
And so they've been fighting for that.
In the end, my sources, which have been accurate the entire time.
I knew exactly what the vote result was going to be before it was taken today.
The you know, in the end, I'm told they would go along if they were the votes that would push him over the top.
But in the meantime, they're gonna fight to have this reinstated.
And I'll tell you why I think it's unfair, even though I would benefit with its reinstatement.
Why should we punish or why should we reward uh states that elect these these tax and spend politicians and kind of punish because states that have zero income tax, they don't get this benefit.
Florida doesn't get it.
Tennessee doesn't get it.
You know, Texas, the Carolinas that have low state income taxes, they don't get the benefit like New York does and California does.
So I think it was actually the right thing to do, and and frankly, you know, it's unfortunate, and the best way out of that is to get the hell out of Long Island and the hell out of New York, and then you don't have to worry about it.
One way I could.
I'm in the service industry, and uh I cannot uh practice uh in areas where I'd like to go.
Uh I totally I totally understand I've been in the same situation now for a couple of years.
Yeah, and the problem I'm having with this is that's a single issue.
I'm in the same situation as you, Sean, where yes, the the deduction for state and local taxes would be great, but you know something?
It doesn't change my life.
But these other things that are going on in this country do change my life.
And unless we get this straightened out, and unless we cut spending, it will completely change all of our lives.
This is insanity.
And to worry about single issues because it may get you more votes, to me, is pandering and not looking at the big picture for what needs to be done for the country to move forward.
And that's I am totally with you.
I I am only giving you this information because I I'm giving you the straight dope behind the scenes.
And what they were pushing Jordan for for those votes was to reinstate the the state local tax deduction for high tax states.
I think it's unfair to states that elect fiscally responsible politicians.
It's unfair to them.
They're not getting that benefit.
But again, I think we do their jobs.
Yes, for our constituency yes, absolutely.
But what's more important is they have to look at the big picture to their constituents and what's going on in the country and how they're there's another alternative.
They could be pushing their fellow politicians in New York to significantly dramatically cut taxes, and I don't see that any of these local congressmen doing such, and I'm not being critical of them.
I understand why they're doing what they're doing, but I'm you know, it's it's unfortunate.
You know, with all that said, and and there's no doubt this i it's gotten to the point that I predicted on day one it would get to, and that is people are now frustrated and they're annoyed and they want the people's house back open.
These are consequential times we're living in.
Uh, you know, now the ground war is is imminent with with Israel and Hamas and and Israel and and even Hezbollah, perhaps in the north.
And then we got war in Europe that is that is, you know, continuing, then we've got wide open borders, then we've got budgetary issues that have deadlines that are fast approaching, and they need to open the house.
The two options that are just completely unacceptable for me.
Uh one is a band-aid solution, a temporary solution to offer some additional powers to the speaker pro tem, because that tells me they're not doing their job.
Their job is to s select a speaker, they're in the majority, so act like you're in the majority.
And look, I could tell you that there's there's a bunch of petulant little snowflake children that are are fighting, you know, way different battles and and their main battle should be check your ego at the door and do what's right for the people that put you in office.
And understand that not everybody's gonna get their way.
Now, okay, I would I would have liked Jim Jordan to be speaker.
Um I I I understand how the game is played.
Now it's probably time to move on to the next candidate.
Uh a lot of names are being floated.
Byron Donald's name is probably the name I hear the most.
Who who we love Byron Donald's, and uh we would be very uh happy for that.
But we need a candidate to come forth that they will all take care of and vote for, because the country is depending on it.
And you know, we can't just stop here.
Uh we need to call out some of the Republicans who are standing in the way of this.
Evidently there was an article in the Drudge Report today that I haven't been able to find about some of the money issues why some of these people are holding out and maybe lobbying problems, uh, why some of these people are holding out.
Maybe at some point if you could look into that and make a comment on that uh at some point later on in the show or within the next few days, I would love to hear.
Listen, because I have to remember remember this last bit, and then I've got to move on.
We have a lot of other callers.
Remember this last piece of information.
What did I say from the beginning?
They're either going to succeed together or they will fail together.
Now, if they resolve this problem, say very early next week, and and I would like them not to take off this weekend.
I think they need to stay in town and do their job.
And I would, as I said, I recommend they get behind closed doors, check their egos, check their phones, and not leave that room till they reach a consensus on who the next speaker's gonna be.
That that would be my approach to things.
Nobody ever listens to me.
And um so uh if they if they did, I think the American people would say, All right, at least they're working and they're sacrificing.
They've been going home every weekend.
I'm sorry, that's unacceptable to me.
You know, if I'm in the middle of a job, you don't leave the job site.
I used to be a contractor.
I didn't I worked every weekend.
You know, I worked until the job was done.
If I had access to a home or an office or building that I was working on, I was there, you know, morning, noon, and night till the job was done.
That's just that that's what it takes to get the job complete.
I'm not I'm not like uh okay, I'm gonna have uh work eight hours, get one hour off of lunch, uh, and then you know, put down my equipment and go home.
I I I don't understand that mindset.
I wasn't grow I didn't grow up with that mindset.
So we'll see what happens.
I think it could be long forgotten, but it's getting it's getting to the point where they're now damaging themselves.
We they're actually pa past that point.
The other thing they can't do is make a deal with the Democrats.
Appreciate the call.
Thank you, Jeff.
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Uh Don in Kansas.
Don, you're on the Sean Hannity show.
Hi.
How are you doing, Sean?
Uh as good as I guess I can with you know the world kind of imploding around us.
I'm not loving that part.
No.
Hey, uh you heard from Matt Gates lately?
Uh no, I I actually have because I uh frankly, he's a person that can cause an awful lot of trouble, so I try to find out what's in his head.
And you know, um I did I was against this any one member motion to vacate provision.
If you remember, you recall Linda.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Didn't I still didn't I want a threshold of twenty or twenty-five or thirty?
I believe I stated that at the time, correct?
You did, yeah, from the go.
Okay, because I knew that one petty difference, you know, if it gets personal between any two people that everything comes to a screeching halt.
I thought it was a bad idea.
Um I I did express that to Matt.
I'm not gonna sit here and point fingers.
I know that he and the other seven people that were involved in this that partnered with the Democrats to get rid of Kevin McCarthy.
You know, they're now saying that all of them are willing to and they have offered to leave the Republican conference.
Um, you know, one of the the Republicans, Bob Good is predicting if we keep voting, Jim Jordan will be elected speaker.
I'm not sure that's gonna happen.
He's lost votes twice in a row now.
Um but unlike you know these phony reports, I have not been out there whipping votes for the Republicans.
I I've talked to basically four sources, four informed sources, and you know, all of them had supported Jim Jordan in the beginning.
I haven't talked to every one of them today.
Um so but but they've got to come up with a solution.
And the two ideas being floated, the temporary solution of empowering the speaker pro tem, not an option for me.
Uh, nor is it an option to work with uh Hakeem Jeffries and the Democrats.
They need to elect a speaker, they need to do their job.
Keep it simple.
I mean, you call his office and it goes right to voicemail.
It's been doing that for weeks.
Listen, there are people that are are giddy that they did this.
This is and I don't mind sharing our conversation.
I said to him, There's a lot of risk associated with this.
And I said that, you know, if this goes sideways, you're gonna get blamed.
And anyway, some are happy that he did it, some aren't.
To me, uh I'm way past that box.
I'm now at the point of let's solve the problem.
So anyway, appreciate the call, my friend.
Quick break, we'll come right back, we'll continue.
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Dustin in the free state of Texas next on the Sean Hannity Show.
What's up, Dustin?
Hey, good afternoon, Sean.
Thanks.
Uh, you know, uh, this is a little bit of a disclaimer here.
I work about 60 to 70 hours a week.
I'm just a regular guy.
I catch politics when I can.
I try to catch a show as often as possible.
I even go to the dark side sometimes and catch the network that will not be named.
So I try to keep up on politics.
I'm probably above average compared to my counterparts, but to your audience, I'm probably below average.
With that being said, um I saw today that the third vote didn't go to Jim Jordan.
And from what I see, a regular guy, just me here looking at I think that's the right call, and I'll tell you why.
Jim Jordan has been one of the most vocal, probably the most vocal when it comes to a lot of these committee meetings that I see him on.
He's out there all the time on news.
I see it all the time, and it's been everyone.
I mean, I've seen him all the way back to Fast and Furious, Benghazi.
I mean, lately, the Afghan withdrawal of this impeachment, and not the frustration that I see, a regular guy, not one person has been held accountable for any of that, and he's been leading the charge from what I can tell.
And I can tell you that I'm not completely educated on how the government works, but what I see here is that nothing happens when even and when they're as vocal as they can get, nothing's happened.
And I need I think we need new blood in there.
Like you said, Byron Donald, I I think he would be a good uh let's bet on him.
Hey, I'm I'm a Hagaman fan.
I think that's a huge upgrade from Cheney in Wyoming.
Put her up there.
Do something different.
Get new blood, get behind them and push them.
My statement remains the same.
Get in a room, check your ego, check your phone, and don't leave until you come, you know, send up a signal of white smoke that the next speaker has been selected.
That's my advice.
But nobody really listens to me.
Linda, isn't that true?
A lot of a lot of pain could be avoided if people listen to me.
The Congressman could definitely learn a thing or two.
It's not my first rodeo.
I've been doing this.
That's why I'm not as wigged out as so many other people are, because I just understand the dysfunctional nature of this.
One of the things I'm pretty wigged out.
I can't believe they can't put their personal differences and their biases aside for the better.
How would how is it possible that that surprises you?
I predicted it was gonna I I mean you should not be surprised at that.
You're too you're way too smart.
You're not your first burning.
I've been here too long, but I am just I don't know, I just feel like the world's on fire and like babies are being burned alive in their homes.
Like, could you start?
Yeah, no, they obviously they can't.
And let me tell you something.
Based on the meeting that took place last night, that there are people in that room that are giddy that they're exercising their their perceived power.
No, yeah.
There's one guy who voted for Boehner.
I was like, that's just a slap in the face to your constituents.
Why would you do that?
Why?
Because they want their moment in the sun.
That's all.
And there's a lot of there's a lot of jealousy issues when it came when it comes to Jordan.
That's actually a great point.
Great point.
There's a lot of jealousy there.
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