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If you want to be a part of the program, uh, we cannot ignore what is what has been revealed to this country in terms of the virulent anti-Semitism.
It's not just this country, by the way, it's worldwide.
Uh things that I've I've never thought we'd hear in our lifetime in light of history.
Uh, you know, uh gas the Jews, F the Jews, blah blah.
That was in Australia.
You know, what we've been witnessing all throughout different countries in Europe, from Great Britain to Brussels and France and elsewhere.
You just think this this can't be this mentality.
You know, the day of Jihad Times Square, totally packed with people.
They're not condemning the terrorists that killed innocent Israelis, not even not even a little bit.
You know, and then you look at what's going on in college campuses around this country.
Anti-Semitism, Burrent anti-Semitism raging on America's college campuses, and it doesn't just involve crazy pronouncements by radical students voicing support for a Hamas.
You know, in fact, it's some of the most prestigious universities we have in this country.
We have Jewish students now being attacked by their left-wing professors, banned from certain campus activities, singled out for harassment and intimidation, and being warned about wearing any clothing or jewelry that could identify them as being Jewish.
Oh, really?
Is it is is this now the country we have become?
Which then begs the question why the Biden Department of Education is funding the now notoriously anti-Semitic Harvard University, 625 million of our tax dollars.
They have an endowment of over 37 billion dollars.
Why are we giving them one taxpayer penny?
And it's not just Harvard.
So why are the taxpayers being forced to bankroll?
What is this modern-day, you know, academic version of anti-Semitism?
Wall Street Journal had the ugly details of you know what these budding uh ivory tower I I guess anti-Semites have been getting away with lately.
Hostility, vandalism, threats, slurs towards Jewish students on college campuses, increasing more than threefold.
155 incidents in 2021.
That's up from 47 in 2014.
Students at universities like the University of Vermont, Wellesley College, DePaul University, ejected Jewish students who support Israel from clubs and study groups.
And and as example after example after example, I can keep going and not stop.
You know, listen to this Cornell professor celebrating the exhilarating, energizing Hamas attack on Israel.
Russell Rickford is his name.
There are many guys of goodwill, many Palestinians, conscious, who abhor violence, as do you, as do I, who abhor the targeting of civilians, as do you, as do I, who were able to breathe.
They were able to breathe for the first time in years.
It was exhilarating.
It was exhilarating, it was energizing.
And if they weren't exhilarated by this challenge to the monopoly of violence by this shifting of the virus of power, then they would not be human.
I was exhilarated.
It's really just repulsive.
Joining us now, Roger Severino, vice president of domestic policy at the Heritage Foundation and Trump's former director of Office of Civil Rights, also a former DOJ civil rights attorney, Bill Jacobson, Cornell University professor and founder of the Equal Profect.org organization to discuss the pro-Hamas uh movement, especially on college campuses.
Let me ask you Bill Jacobson, because that was right out of Cornell University, uh, which you have the affiliation with.
What's your reaction to that?
And and why is this guy still hired there?
Yeah, well, obviously it's distressing.
It is reflective of a strain of viewpoint on campus.
It's not the majority viewpoint, but there is a core group of radicals on campus who hate the U.S., hate Israel, think the whole system needs to be torn down, so it doesn't shock me that that professor in particular was spewing these sort of uh you know enthusiasm.
Well, wait a minute.
Cornell University, correct me if I'm wrong.
If you speak out against LBG T Q plus, uh what are the consequences?
What is the reaction on campus of a conservative speaker is on the campus to you know give their point of view?
Uh what happens to people that are overtly racist on Cornell University campuses.
Do they not get punished?
Do they not get thrown out?
Do they not get suspended?
Well, I think that it's um definitely a double standard.
I mean, I criticize Black Lives Matter rioting and looting, and I was denounced by the then dean of my law school.
There was another professor who supported the police actions in the rioting, and he was denounced by the university.
So, yeah, it's a total double standard.
Uh but neither that other professor nor I were fired.
Um, and I don't think this professor will be, because the university does uh respect academic freedom and statements made off campus are fall within that, but that doesn't mean uh we have to accept But in this case we're talking about a professor with a with a uh with a group of students here, and that's a captive audience, isn't it?
Well, it was uh this was at a rally in downtown Ithaca, so it wasn't in the classroom.
If it had been said in the classroom, then it might have been a different story.
Um so that's what it is.
I'm not excusing what he said.
All I'm saying is that this the pro this guy is the symptom of a deeper problem in academia, and we should focus on that deeper problem, which is that this sort of racial politics, anti-Israel politics, anti-American politics, has been pushed very deep into the faculty in particular.
So that's my point, is not that I'm not excusing what he said.
All I'm saying is that you know the university's unlikely to fire him because it was an off-campus statement.
Uh had it been said in the classroom, perhaps it would have been different.
Let's get your take, Roger Severino, on all of this.
So I actually went to Harvard Law School, so I know what the environment is like.
It is oppressive, especially of conservatives.
And those who have a descending view, and especially now, Jews, they are the minority most under attack when these woke universities say they're all about diversity, but they're actually going on offense against Jews.
And that just brings up a very ugly history, especially at Harvard.
Uh Harvard actually started doing the interviews of applicants in order to s to start filtering out Jews, because they were they were entering in in too many numbers according to them at the time, and that came out in the Harvard delegation.
And now with the Supreme Court case that actually struck down the racial preferences at Harvard, you would expect that they would learn their lessons to stop ticking and choosing which is a favored race and disfavored race.
But apparently they were doubling down, and unfortunately, before it was Asians and white, and now it's actually Jews, which they lump in as white and colonizers and the the same sort of left leftist talk to smear a whole people.
You know, it really is interesting too.
Look at all the instances over the years and stories we've covered, and If people uh students, professors, if they made public posts that were politically incorrect on their own time, uh they have been removed from jobs and removed from university.
So, you know, that goes back to the issue I was discussing with Bill Jacobson about the double standard.
Yeah, the the So Claudine Gay, the president of Harvard, she issued a statement recently.
It really looked like a hostage video.
You watch that video, she's in like a hotel room and almost like reading from a script.
All of a sudden she discovered the principle of freedom of speech, which has been absent at Harvard for years.
They they were ranked dead last by the Foundation of Inj Individual Rights and Education for their free speech policies.
But now when they're come under assault for uh coddling Hamas and terrorists and anti-Semitism, all of a sudden Harvard is saying, Well, we now believe in free speech.
These people could actually say their point of view.
That was not the case when I was there, and it certainly hasn't been the case historically at Harvard.
The double standard has to end.
Under the Trump administration, people forget um I served there.
We issued an executive order combating combating anti-Semitism because we saw that this was a problem that wasn't going away that needed to be addressed, and it's wearing his ugly head again, unfortunately.
So I saw that you had uh re I don't know if you retweeted this, you called it a hostage video, and it was the message from the Harvard president uh Claudine Gay.
We've played her comments before, I won't play them again, you know, about how they're all open to free speech, even speech we don't like.
Well, I had a debate on my TV show with two professors, Cornell West and Dar and Alan Dershowitz, uh taking very different positions on the issue of what Hamas did, and Cornell West's position was well, you know, he agreed with it, but it was uh they needed to be more nuanced.
I'm like thirty-one student groups needed to be more nuanced, supporting a terror group.
Uh there's no room for nuance there.
That's called slaughter.
Uh but yet, you know, I I said, well, let's have the saddest part of this is we cannot have this debate at Harvard University.
We've been trying, we've been calling, we've offered, and uh amazing, they don't want to talk to us.
Does that surprise you?
No, that that is the environment.
It's very oppressive there.
Uh I have kids now of college age, I and I'm I don't think I would send them to Harvard.
Right?
That's that's we'd be sending them to the wolves.
Um it's it's not a place for academic freedom, it's not the exchange of thought, they don't believe in truth anymore, they don't live up to their actual logo of Veritas.
It's sad what has happened to that place.
Thirty student groups, as you mentioned, actually supporting Hamas and condemning Israel and blaming them.
And that just shows this caudal bubble mindset.
Uh and finally, they're feeling the pressure.
You have billionaires who are donating to Harvard backing out now.
The Wexner Foundation is backed out, Kenneth Griffin, who donated almost a billion dollars.
Um he's backing out because enough is enough.
The world is realizing this is what has happened at these elite institutions.
They are actually standing up in support of people who are killing babies and saying it's exhilarating, and they don't want a part of it anymore.
Because we knew this was happening all the time, but uh maybe some little good could come out of the horror that people are waking up that there are people in the United States, especially in our elite academic institutions that would side with Hamas over the a democracy of Israel.
All right, quick break, we'll come back.
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We continue with Roger Severino and Bill Jacobson on the issue of virulent anti-Semitism on college campuses across the country and frankly worldwide.
Back to you, Bill Jacobson.
I I I don't know why.
I would think that college campuses and universities ought to be a bastion of freedom of thought, three the free and open exchange of ideas and ideals and opinions, and it's just the opposite today.
It's it's stifling suppression.
Well, that's true, and and it's been twenty to thirty years in the making.
What has happened is that whereas 20 years ago the faculty split between liberal and conservative was about 60 40.
So it leaned left, but it wasn't crazy.
Right now it's about 38 to 1.
Almost no conservatives have been hired in the last 20 years on campus.
And as they age out and they retire, they're replaced with the most radical new people.
I think the ratio is something like 40 to 4.
So what's happened is it's not so much that free speech is suppressed on campus, is there's only one viewpoint represented on campus, at least among the faculty.
So that's the deeper problem that academia has been corrupted from the inside out for three decades, so that you can say, okay, we have free speech on campus, but there's only one viewpoint that's represented on campus.
So that's what you get.
And then you do get groups trying to bring people in from outside to speak because there's nobody on campus who can present an alternative viewpoint, and those people get shouted down and disrupted.
So it's kind of a double whammy on campuses of no diversity of viewpoint among faculty and administrators.
Plus, though when students try to bring in speakers to provide diversity of viewpoint, those speakers get disrupted and shouted down.
I will say, I think the student body is much more diverse in terms of viewpoints than the faculty and administrators.
The problem is because students don't want to be targeted on social media, it's only the far left students who are really willing to speak up.
So it's a bad situation on campuses.
It's one that donors in particular have ignored for so many years.
They just keep shoveling money into these campuses, and then they finally wake up because the professor gets out there and you know says he's exhilarated by uh an attack from Hamas on Israel.
So I think it's got to be a big wake-up call.
But, you know, the universities, I think, figure they'll wait it out.
In five years or ten years or two years, people will forget this and they'll go back to their regular giving.
But these donors have to stick with it if if they want to have an impact.
Oh, money's gonna talk, especially the type of money some of these guys donate.
I mean, tens and tens of millions of dollars and even more.
Uh uh thank you both.
Appreciate you being with us, Roger Severino and Bill Jacobson.
Thank you.
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Thank you for being with us on this crazy breaking news day.
One thing we and and obviously we're following what's going on in Israel, what's going on in Washington.
Um but we you know, we have not spent a lot of times.
Donald Trump was back in New York today, and this this trial, this insane trial, uh all brought together.
It's a civil trial relating to the Trump organization, brought by an attorney general who who ran on a campaign on a promise to go after one man, Donald Trump, one family, the Trump family, one organization, the Trump organization.
And we've got all the tapes to prove it.
We played it many, many times again.
And then you have a judge that you know determines based on tax assessment, even though the tax assessor's office in Palm Beach, Florida has been very clear.
The tax assessment is is no way correlates to what the current value of one's property happens to be in Palm Beach.
Anyway, Donald Trump went to the microphones earlier today.
This is what he's he said.
But just as the Attorney General of New York State, Betisha James, and she shouldn't be allowed to be attorney general.
She's defrauded the public with this.
She said that Mar a Lago's the judge at Mar a Lago, which were in Pompey, Florida, the most expensive land in the world, I guess.
That and the most expensive houses, definitely in the world.
In Marlon, the biggest house, the most spectacular place in all of Florida was worth 18 million dollars when it's worth approximately could be close to a hundred times that amount.
And based on that testimony, and based on her convincing the judge that Mar a Lago is worth 18 million dollars instead of a billion to a billion five, which would sell very easily, which we've already proven, but we'll have people come up and say that and prove it the most important people, the brokers that make the sales.
But based on that, he ruled it against me.
He ruled fraud.
I mean, he said, they are the fraudulent people.
The judge just couldn't be that more that that ignorant, the very thing that they're accusing Donald Trump of, they themselves are guilty of.
And here's the other side of this story.
You know, the argument is, well, that Donald Trump purposely overimplated uh the value of his properties uh to get loans and it's and insurance rates that were a little more favorable to him inside the contract that Donald Trump provides to bankers and to insurance companies.
It says, don't use our assessments, ostensibly.
I'm paraphrasing, and it's well known.
There's no bank that's going to lend anybody money based on your assessment of what the net worth of of your property, what you think it might be worth.
Maybe you have sentimental value, so that's worth a lot more to you.
It's they have their own fiduciary responsibility to do their own due diligence and determine what the value is based on market prices.
That is on them before they make any loan.
Now, one other point in this whole endeavor, there's no aggrieved party here.
There's never been a late payment for crying out loud.
Everybody got their money back, and in the case of banks and insurance companies, they all made a lot of money in the course of all of this.
So why is this case even in court?
And why does the judge get to you know look be guilty of the exact thing that they're accusing Trump of?
Not a jury trial either.
All right, I know a lot of you have been very, very patient.
Uh let's get to our busy phones.
Let us say hi to Gary is in Kentucky.
Gary, hi, how are you?
Glad you called, sir.
What a crazy day this has been.
Uh brother Sean, thank you.
This is what an honor.
You know, because it's been some time since I've actually been a uh a call in for you.
Uh I I've been a long, long time blessing, sir.
I'm very, very uh pleased and satisfied with all the things that you've represented for a long time, brother.
You've got twenty-five, thirty years behind you, and I'm very, very I'll give honor or honor to do.
Um what I see uh a lot of what's going on right now is the confidence of being true Americans.
I think there's a lot of people.
Let me use this analogy uh real quick about Trump.
Trump is not a very old Christian, he's a young Christian, and a lot of people look at his past and say he's done this and this and this.
I think the reason why he has stood the test as you is because we've got compasses and and the Lord.
The Lord has given us compasses, and we can use these compasses like this thing that's going on in Israel.
Horrible things are going on.
And I just admire so much of what Fox is doing.
They're telling people what's going on.
And why are these other people not so quick to let people know?
They're just there's no shame.
They cover all of their uh garbage with more garbage.
Uh they're not even willing to tell people what's going on, and I really do appreciate and admire Fox's stance of just telling people how horrible we have to go all the way back to Cambodia, what Copot did to find even uh even a reference to compare what these guys are doing to hatred.
This is what hatred does.
And I think it's the same stuff that Trump is dealing with, severe hatred.
Uh so I think we just need to make sure that we're not in the same camp as them.
Uh reactionary, because I think we got what you've got uh Sean is just the Lord.
The Lord, not not as an arrogant badge, I'm not saying that, but just realizing that God's going to help us through these really, really tough waters.
This is very difficult time, and I think we're going to be just fine.
I think the Lord's going to help all of us get through this.
Because this is a very, very difficult time.
A lot of people are very nervous.
Our economy is just they don't even care.
They don't even care that our economy is just totally screwed up.
No matter what they do, everything is great.
They give away more money.
Uh, our everywhere I go in my city, there's there's giving away stuff all over the place.
That's coming out of our Don.
So, and we don't have the money.
We don't have the money.
So I do appreciate and admire you and what Fox is doing.
Uh, I'm a very big admirer of yours, and I just want you to know that I've always I've admired you for at least 25 years.
I've been very, very pleased with your stance on many things, and you stood a lot of tough times, and I appreciate your stance.
And like represent myself.
I really need to thank you because I can't do it without you.
So I really appreciate it, sir.
I really do.
Thank you.
I'm very humbled by it.
By the way, Linda, have you been following?
I don't even know, I don't watch MSDNC.
I just don't.
I don't watch fake news CNN that often either.
I see clips on Mediate.
As a matter of fact, Dan Abrams uh really did a deep dive into apparently there's a number of MSNBC hosts, and according to reports, that have been taken off the air and benched, uh, and the three happen to be Muslim anchors over the coverage of this conflict in the Middle East.
Uh I I don't really even know these guys.
Do you know these guys?
Some guy named Ali Veshi and and uh is it Medih Hassan and I mention somebody, I don't even know who this guy is.
But anyway, what he pointed out is and he previously criticized these hosts for pushing, quote, what about us and false equivalencies regarding Hamas and atrocities against Israel, uh, though he did praise one of them, uh, this guy, you know, he said he was a smart guy doing interesting left-wing show on weekends, apparently.
Anyway, the fact is none of the three hosts hosted their regularly scheduled shows this past week, and he pointed out.
I did see a report on this.
Two of them were suddenly co-anchoring with colleagues, while a third was, quote, on vacation.
And then he went back and he actually found out and cited reporting from Semaphore uh about the three that they were taken out of the chair over their card coverage, and he noted and reported that the three were benched, you know, that there's this report that they were benched because of their faith.
Now, and he points out over the past decade, NBC MSNBC have struggled to cover flare-ups in the and violence in the Middle East without internal controversy.
Uh, and he said, you know, it's uh it has nothing to do with their religion, he said.
This is about what they have said and about what they have done.
And then he aired examples of some of the past commentary.
And I was shocked by what I read.
And and how is it that MBC News hired people with such controversial physicians?
You know, one guy's past commentary about the Israeli Palestinian conflict, noting the remarks have not aged well uh regarding a report of a knife wielding attacker that was then corrected on air by an MSNBC DNZ anchor.
Uh he took a similar dive into Hassan's past comments showing the MSNBC's host history of ugly commentary about non-Muslims in a 2009 speech at a London mosque.
Uh we know that keeping the moral high ground is key, quote.
Once we lose the moral high ground, we're not different from the rest of the non-Muslims from the rest of those human beings whose you know, lives that they're their lives as animals bending any rules to fulfill their desire.
He has another clip of this guy, Hassan comparing non-believers to cattle, quote, the disbelievers and the atheists who remain deaf and stubborn to the teachings of Islam, the rational message of the Quran and the describe the Quran as quote, uh a people of no intelligence.
And Allah describes them as not not of no morality, not as people of no belief, people of no intelligence.
And he says, could you imagine if these were like the full-time Fox News hosts who said non-believers of Christianity were animals, and then noting that, you know, once he became higher profile, he apologized numerous times.
Uh apparently one of them did, but it wasn't that long ago, a lot of these remarks are made.
I mean, we have the clips, but I mean, this is MBC News.
Did they not literally they not know the people they're hiring?
I don't think that they do, and I think there's a lot of people being hired for the wrong reasons.
I also think that Dan Abrams is doing what the right has done for a long time, which is to justify his position, which is I really don't care what religion they are, if they want to talk about the atrocities that we're all seeing with our own eyes.
Again, common sense.
Believe what you see.
If you see a grown man or a group of men raping young girls, killing grandmas, and decapitating babies, that is what is happening.
It's not up for interpretation, it's not the work of any God, it is the work of man and evil, period.
End of sentence.
And then the excuse is, oh, you took them off the air because they're Muslim.
No, I took them off the air because they support the murdering of the innocent.
Whatever their religion, it doesn't matter.
It's just wrong.
But it's interesting to see them do this.
But if they but if they felt this way and knew all of this, they're not.
But they weren't paying attention then.
They didn't have to.
Now they do.
Now people are paying attention.
Well, they if if these reports are true that that's the reason that they're off the air, then that means they've known about it the entire time and they have not had a problem with it.
Don't you think that's even worse?
Agree with you.
Agree with you.
Finally, finally, I got some agreement out of you.
You should keep that.
Run that on tape.
Keep it, you know, it's like a little safekeeping.
Hi.
Hi, how are you doing?
Good, sir.
What's going on?
So a military family from my grandfather, mom and dad, both my father-in-laws, and uncles, myself, my brother, one of my kids, and two of my nephews.
And looking at what's going on with our party right now, I just there's so many backroom deals going on.
They can't get it right.
We had McCarthy, they got rid of him.
Skillis was up, got rid of him, Jim Jordan's up.
And everybody's got these backroom deals.
I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine.
But if I don't get my way, I'm gonna throw out can jump, I'm gonna stop the whole thing.
Well, those are first world problems.
We've got people in Israel and people in Ukraine that will gladly change places with any one of us at any time for the problems that we're facing.
And if you look at it as if you go into any arena, any stadium, and you listen to any sports game, all you're gonna hear is noise is all the thousands of conversations that are going on.
But once the phythong comes on and everybody starts chanting and singing the same song with one voice, it becomes very powerful.
Right now, our party is just a bunch of noise.
A bunch of people, different conversations here and there.
And we need that one unified voice.
It's listen, let me Tell you something that this this is not.
It's not complicated.
And what's not complicated, and Newt talks about you know the road to the majority, his new book is out.
It's really worth the read.
Because, you know, remember, he brought the Republicans, I'm sorry, March to the majority.
He's the guy that brought Republicans back in power after 40 years in the wilderness of being a minority party.
And for the first time in 40 years, Republicans had control of the House.
And he did it by using, you know, data and information and vision and ideas.
And you know, so many of these ideas controlling our borders.
That's an 85-15 issue.
Everybody should agree.
Energy independence, not that difficult.
Law and order, safety, security, not a difficult issue.
Uh lower taxes, limited government, not a hard issue for Republicans if they stand as an alternative party, not a uniparty.
And so, you know, I watched this function at a very high level.
I mean, and and these guys, well, this is Hannity's asking us tough questions.
Mike, yeah, because you need to get the house open and do the people's business.
And that's just a fact.
That's your job.
And at a time when we have such unrest around the world and war with Israel and Hamas, and maybe Hezbollah, maybe a two-front war breaking out, Iran threatening to jump in itself at a time you have war in Europe, at a time we have open borders, at a time where, you know, we budgetary issues are not being dealt with.
You know, I want the leading party to lead, and I don't want band-aid temporary solutions, and I don't want you know, Republicans giving up their power voluntarily and and working with you know the likes of leftists like Hakeem Jeffries.
And it's just this fundamental and basic to me.
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All right, that's gonna wrap things up for today.
Uh Hannity tonight, nine Eastern Fox News.
We'll have the latest in the race for Speaker of the House.
We have Newt Gingrich, we have John Roberts on the ground in Israel for us.
Uh now Israel looking at a possible two-front war.
Uh Nikki Haley weighs in.
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