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Gregg Jarrett - October 12th, Hour 3
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So my friend Greg Jarrett, I mean, he has such an interesting life story, background.
It just blows me away as I unpeel the layers of the onion that is my friend Greg Jarrett, things that I didn't know I learn every day.
And it's, you know, for example, when he's writing his first book, I think, you know, weeks and weeks and weeks, number one on the New York Times list, you know, I watch this guy write it and I'm like, having fun because having done it myself, it sucks.
It's hard.
But he just pounded away every day and that's how he does it.
And that's what's made him so successful.
But I didn't know this part of his life.
And his latest book, by the way, bestseller, Trial of the Century, Clarence Darrow, we've talked about it at length.
It's a great book, great read, inspired Greg to even become a lawyer.
And of course, he's a Fox News analyst.
He's been part of our great coverage, exposing and being vindicated on the Russia hoax and now exposing the Biden family syndicate.
I know we haven't had time to talk about it this week, but we'll get back to it, I'm sure, at some point.
But anyway, I didn't know this, that he was a war correspondent, correspondent, the second antifada, and he was reporting from Israel from Gaza.
Now, we were there during one of the flare-ups, and I've explained this in Sarot.
I don't say it the right way.
How do you say it, Linda?
Sad.
We were driving in a car and maybe 150 yards away, a rocket landed and blew up.
We saw it.
You know, we were right there with the iron dome and they're firing off missiles.
You know, we went to a kibbutz in Samarot, if I said that right this time.
Go ahead.
You want to say that, correct me?
No, I don't, actually.
All right, good.
So that's the border town where it's literally, you see Gaza in the horizon.
You can see it with the naked eye.
And they'd fire these missiles.
And when they did, it lands in this town in 15 seconds or less.
And so the children in this border town have to have underground bunker playgrounds.
They can't play outside like regular kids and be in the sunshine, get vitamin D for crying out loud.
And it's just sad.
And they've had 10,000 rockets by the time we had been there a couple of years ago.
10,000 rockets landed there.
And we went to the police station.
And you see as the years go by, how much more sophisticated the weaponry becomes.
We were at one kibbutz, that's a neighborhood, where the night before one of the rockets landed.
And you see as it lands, it is loaded with shrapnel and nails and glass, anything to destroy and penetrate a human body.
It's horrible, evil.
And I say that because I didn't know that Gray was there during the second Intifada and reporting from Gaza and the West Bank.
And he covered many of the worst Palestinian attacks and bombings by Hamas.
Anyway, he actually had an interview with the parents of a suicide bomber.
And they were so proud that they were of their murdering son, their murderous son.
They pointed to their younger child, and he's writing an article that'll appear on his website, dgregjarred.com, and they boasted that he too would soon be a dead bomber, suicide bomber who kills Jews.
And anyway, I never, why did I not know that story about you?
I'm kind of.
I was also a correspondent during the Iraq war at the outset.
I arrived in Baghdad just after the city fell and I stayed there for a couple of months.
But before that, I did, you're right, 22 years ago, cover the second Intifada.
And I, you know, I witnessed some of the twisted mentality that was taking place, not just among the terrorists, but the Palestinian population, especially in Gaza.
And you're right, I was curious.
I went to Gaza.
I spent quite a bit of time there.
I was worried about my safety, but I wanted to tell the story.
And I saw such immense poverty, children without shoes living under corrugated roofs perched in a cactus field.
These are people who were under the thumb of terrorists who operated in Gaza.
And back then, Hamas had yet to take full power.
So it was Hamas and Islamic Jihad.
And they would literally pay these impoverished families for their allegiance.
And so is it any wonder then that they were reliant on these terrorist organizations?
They lived on United Nations food drops.
I went to one of them and people from miles around are standing in line to try to get some basic food.
But it was that kind of mentality, parents that are proud of their dead suicide bomber son who are pointing to their 10-year-old saying he too will become a bomber that really underscores what's operating not just in Gaza, but to some extent in the West Bank as well.
I arrived at the scene of the most horrific carnage I've ever witnessed immediately after twin bombers detonated their explosives at Ben Yehuda Plaza.
It's in Jerusalem.
It was a popular night for young people to be out on the plaza attending the cafes.
Mangled bodies were everywhere.
Blood flowing through the cobblestones.
My boots were so covered with blood, I eventually threw them away.
It was a scene of unimaginable mayhem.
11 people ages 14 to 21 were murdered that night.
I visited the hospital the next day.
188 people were wounded.
And I interviewed young people who'd lost their limbs, their hands, their legs.
Then I traveled the next day after that to Haifa, where a suicide bomber had boarded a bus with a vest of explosives.
15 civilians, innocent civilians on board that bus in Haifa were murdered.
40 others were injured, some of them horribly.
And I vividly recall the burned out, mangled wreckage of twisted metal of that bus, a haunting exhibit of the terrorists' inhumanity.
You know, I'm listening.
It's, you know, I've urge people, and I've gotten some criticism for it, and I don't really care, but I've urged people to look at these videos, look at these images online.
Yeah, I mean, I got criticized for what I am able to show on TV, and I can only show like bits and pieces.
And I mentioned the prime minister's tweet from earlier today.
You know, you don't believe that children were beheaded?
Here's a picture of it.
You don't believe children were burned?
Here's a picture of it.
Women being burned to death, there's pictures of it.
Raping.
You see the Hamas soldiers, if you want to call them that, going up to dead Israelis on the ground and beyond robbing them, then taking a gun and shooting them again.
They're dead.
Kicking them in the head again.
They're dead.
And it just is a level of inhumanity.
And then, you know, I showed the cartoons, Greg, that these kids in Gaza grow up on.
Oh, sure.
Teaching them to hate the Jews.
Right.
And, you know, amid all of what we've seen, the photographs, the videos, people burned alive, elderly executed, women raped and tortured, children beheaded, Hamas harbors no remorse.
They rejoice in the cruelty and the pain and suffering that they inflicted.
And as cowards often do, Sean, they, of course, retreated into Gaza to take refuge among the Palestinian populace who they have commandeered as human shields.
And this is by design, because they know the IDF will defend their homeland by taking the fight to where they, the enemy, are hiding among the people.
This time is going to be different.
And, you know, Hamas will exploit the video images, the photographs to falsely blame the victims, Israel, as the aggressors.
And they're, you know, it's classic propaganda.
They're adept at it.
And they're counting on liberal media outlets to do their bidding to blame Israel.
Any dead child, any dead, innocent person, it is Hamas that has blood on their hands.
Put it this way.
And I said this last night.
See if you agree with it.
If Hamas laid down their weapons today and said they're not fighting anymore, the people of Gaza would live.
They would have lived.
If Israel laid down their weapons today, they'd be annihilated.
That's right.
What a difference.
But, you know, it'll never stop until Hamas is defeated and destroyed because there can be no truce, no negotiation.
You cannot reason with terrorists because they are incapable, incapable of reason.
They don't want peace.
They don't want normalization.
They only want death and destruction, cruelty and suffering.
Human dignity to them is an utterly alien concept.
Let me ask you this, because I've seen enough that I can't get these images out of my head.
I mean, I might put it aside, but I can recall with perfect accuracy some beheading videos I've seen.
What imprint did this leave with you in your life?
I mean, how, I mean, that's kind of life-altering, isn't it?
It is.
You never forget it.
You want to forget it, but then there's a part of you that says, you know, if you don't remember history, you're destined to repeat it.
So we need to be mindful of what has happened in the past.
This was so entirely predictable to me.
I came back, I gave several speeches after my stint in the Middle East, and I said, this will not resolve in my lifetime.
It may take generations because the terrorists are so determined.
They care not a bit about their own lives or the lives of, you know, their neighbors, their families and friends.
They don't care about that.
They are so driven by irrational hatred that it has metastasized into this monstrous rage.
All right, quick break.
More with Greg Jarrett.
This article about his experience in the second Antifada will be on thegregjarrett.com.
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All right, we continue with Greg Jarrett and his years as a war correspondent covering the second Antifada, interviewing the parents of a suicide bomber and how proud those parents were.
How could you be proud of that?
Wow.
We continue with Greg Jarrett, his website, thegregjarrett.com.
I am predicting that there's not going to be a Gaza to go back to when this is all said and done.
Now, Israel, to their credit, they have been sending, I don't know how they do it.
I can barely download an app.
But technologically, they've been able with precision to target any cell phone that is working in Gaza, telling people, get out now, stay, and you will die.
Right.
That is a method.
They've been saying it for days and days.
I think they're purposefully not going forth with this invasion to give innocent people time to get out.
Now, Egypt closed the door.
They're not taking them in.
Jordan won't take them in.
The Saudis won't take them in.
This has been going on for decades.
So I don't know where they go.
But I think when all is said and done, Gaza will never be Gaza again.
Hamas will not have a staging area that close to Israel again.
Just they're not going to.
Hamas has for so long threatened their own population in Palestine.
They're so oppressed that the choice now among the Palestinian people trapped in Gaza is who do we fear the most, the Israelis or Hamas?
You know, Hamas will come after us and kill us with impunity if we try to flee their oppression.
So they're caught.
Many of them are.
Now, that doesn't forgive a great many of the Palestinians in Gaza who have been willfully and deliberately and happily aiding and abetting the terrorists because a great many of them have.
So it's a difficult situation.
It's intractable in many ways, except that the Israelis now finally have absolutely no choice.
They have no choice.
It's about their survival.
It is.
Ultimately, though, their survival will depend on something bigger, and that is Iran.
Yeah.
Now, the idea, and this goes to the heart of Joe Biden and then Obama and Biden wanting to do these deals with Iran and give them billions of dollars and let them sell their oil, which makes them rich, so they can remain the number one state sponsor of terror.
And while Joe might be embarrassed to give the money now, he's going to try and backdoor it somehow because that's what he believes is the thing to do.
Well, if I'm nice to them, you know, then they're going to be nice back.
Bumbaya.
Rather naive.
But eventually, the money source has to be cut off.
That means taking out their refineries.
Yeah, it does.
Number two, you really got to take out the nuclear sites.
We know where they are.
Plans have been drawn up for years and years.
I know what the plan.
I've talked to military people.
It's well known, you got to use bunker buster bombs and open up the underground facilities where they enrich uranium, and then you can take them out.
But it would take American ingenuity, technology, and military support to do it.
That has to happen too.
And that's a reality the world needs to face.
I'll give you the last 30 seconds.
Yeah, you took the words right out of my mouth.
They've gamed this out at the Pentagon.
Go after the petroleum facilities, oil and natural gas, mostly oil.
And you've got to go after the nuclear facilities.
The trouble is they have reinforced in such deep bunkers that the only choice is to use these bunker-busting bombs that the U.S. has.
But I'm not even sure that will work.
But it would at least slow down the progress that Iran has been making as, you know, they've been snookering first the Obama administration, then the Biden administration.
Oh, trust us.
We're kicking out the U.N. inspectors, so you can't look at our facilities.
Trust us, they're for peaceful purposes only.
Don't believe it for a moment.
Greg, I know you're going to put it up on a column.
It's not up yet, but you probably sometime this weekend.
Thegregjarred.com.
Thank you for sharing this.
I mean, you bring a perspective that people need to hear.
Thank you.
Very powerful.
And you're a dear friend.
I wish I knew this before, but you know, the layers of Greg Jarrett just, you know, I keep peeling the layers of the onion like we do in our investigations.
Anyway, my friend, thank you.
Good to be with you.
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So last night on Hannity, we had, you know, I don't know why Cornell West, all the times, all the years that he's been on my program, and we have a friendly relationship.
Off-air, he is funny.
He is witty.
He's very intelligent, very, very intelligent.
And he's got a very nice side to him.
And he teaches religion and philosophy.
And I mean, he may be too smart in some ways for his own good, but he's always a fascinating person to be around.
And, you know, so we would always say, brother Sean, you know, and we just had this brother Cornell, how are you?
We had a great relationship.
And then he came out and he made statements about, well, you know, I forget the exact words that they used.
Basically sympathetic to Harvard students that blamed Israel and Israel only.
They said they only lacked nuance.
And I went on to challenge him on the things that he wrote and said in this article.
And he debated Alan Dershowitz, who, you know, was kind of aghast.
Now, one interesting side note at the end of this debate, I said, you know what, the sad part is, guys, we couldn't even have this debate on the campus of Harvard.
So I've challenged Harvard.
I got both of them to agree to allow me to moderate a debate on the issue of radicals, anti-Semites on college campuses, in this case, Harvard.
And my staff is calling.
I'm not going to make any judgments right now.
But my strong inclination is they are not going to allow two of their best professors in history to debate this issue on their campus.
So much for freedom of speech, a free exchange of ideas and opinions and ideals and principles.
Forget about that part.
But no consequences for anybody that has been blaming Israel, the victim of terrorism, and supporting Hamas.
This is an embarrassment to all of these Ivy League institutions.
And they're being called out on it.
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Let me play a nice portion of it here, and then we'll get to your calls.
Some Harvard students now are scrambling to finally rescind their support of their vile letter, actually blaming the victim, Israel, for the brutal Hamas terror attacks.
Not everyone disagrees with them.
2024, presidential candidate, former Harvard professor Cornell West, said the students were largely right, but they lack nuance.
He joins us now with reaction, along with attorney.
Also, Harvard professor Alan Dershowitz is with us.
Thank you both for being with us.
I would usually, you always call me brother Sean.
I call you brother Cornell.
I'm not that happy with you tonight.
I understand.
We could talk about why we...
Because we have 31 groups from Harvard.
Harvard's supposed to be, I always thought, the top of the top.
To get into Harvard, what an accomplishment, what an achievement, what academic excellence you must show.
A cut above everyone else.
And 31 student groups blaming Israel, blaming the victim.
And your answer to this is they are largely right.
Hamas that murdered children?
Hamas that murdered innocent students.
That's to what I said, though, brother.
Okay.
They are largely right, but lacking nuance.
No, I didn't say lack nuance.
That's the title of the piece.
Okay.
Actual words.
Well, I'll just be very honest.
I got it here in front of you.
The words were that Israel's policies of war crimes and collective punishment against Palestinians.
Are really teaching.
Israel and the United States are primarily responsibility for killing innocent people.
Anybody who kills innocent people are engaging in barbaric acts.
You said Israel.
What color, what nation, and so forth.
Israel and the United States are primarily supported and enabled.
You explain to this audience.
I want you to explain.
How is Israel and the United States responsible for beheading 40 children?
How?
I'm talking about the context.
545 Palestinian children died in August 2004.
Not one American said a word.
I believe a Palestinian baby has the same value as an Israeli baby.
So when you have that kind of vicious hatred and revenge, get responsive hatred and revenge.
They are all wrong.
They're all war crimes.
They're all to be condemned.
But you cannot simply look at this particular moment without the larger backdrop of an ugly occupation and the ugly attacks chronically against Palestinians.
No, not your words.
Largely right.
Israel and the United States are primarily responsible for this attack.
Professor Dershowitz.
Well, I complained when Palestinian children were killed, but I explained why they were killed.
Here is one of the leaders of Hamas.
For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry.
The elderly excel at this, and so do the children.
This is why we have formed human shields of the women and the children.
Hamas is the ones responsible for the killing of Palestinian children.
Also, Hamas has a term.
It's called the CNN strategy.
And the CNN strategy is induce Israel into killing Palestinian children by using them as human shields.
Then parade the bodies out on CNN, and you'll see what happens.
People like Cornell West will engage in crocodile tears, blame it on Israel, when the entire blame is on the Palestinians, Hamas, for using their children, their children, as human shields, and then using their children as shields to promote a dominant word.
Don't accuse me.
What is Hamas's charter?
I have the same outrage when Palestinian babies are killed, when Jewish children are killed.
I want you to have the same indignation when Palestinians are killed.
Not when they're killed by Palestinians.
You can't make a moral comparison.
When Nazi kids were killed in the bombings of Dresden, I didn't have the same comparison when Jewish kids were put in gas chambers and crematoriums.
You're a professor of theology.
Don't you understand the moral difference between deliberately murdering a kid and having collateral damage because there are human shields?
You're running for president of the United States.
What would you do?
Let me tell you, let me ask the question.
What would you do if they were firing, if terrorists were firing at American children in America and the terrorists were hiding behind Palestinian children?
Would you allow the killing of Americans to continue?
Or would you go and get the terrorists, even if it meant possibly collateral damage on Palestinians?
What would you do?
I'll tell you exactly what I would do.
First, truth and morality tend to be two casualties in any context of war.
I would want to tell the American people the truth.
I would tell them what the context is, how we found ourselves in this situation.
And I would not jump for a military invasion and a genocidal attack on a genocidal attack on Gaza.
No, no.
Where are they supposed to terror?
This is like Warsaw, 1943.
Where do they go?
Where do they go?
Yes.
Let me tell you where they go to the English.
They go to the UN.
UN is killing.
From Gaza to the Israeli people.
They go.
No, no, no.
The UN has places in Gaza.
They go to the Razor.
The UN people have been killed in the last few days.
They go to Egypt, they go, wait a minute.
Come on.
Make another thing clear.
Gaza City is very dense.
But Gaza itself, the Gaza Strip, there's lots of room.
The Israelis have said, get out of Gaza City.
Go to Rafah.
Go to Khan Yunus.
Go to other places.
And you know what, Hamas is saying that.
With no water, no fire.
No electricity.
You know what Hamas is saying?
Hamas is saying, don't go.
I'm not going to defend.
I'm not defending Hamas.
Wait a minute.
Are you ever lying with me?
Did you?
I'm defending the suffering and Palestinian.
I want to hear Hamas itself.
I want to hear you.
Anybody who commits war crimes are barbaric.
I'm saying that explicitly, but I want you to say if the Israeli defense forces are killing children.
No, no.
Are they barbaric too?
No, no.
Are they enemies?
No, no, no, no, no.
If they target, if they target children, have they ever targeted a child?
No, never.
Never in the history have they ever targeted a child.
They're not a crackpot.
And please.
No, no, they never targeted.
You don't think they kill one innocent?
Not purposely.
Are they that pure?
Are they that purpose?
You don't have to be very pure, bro.
Not to kill a child, not to kill a child.
They kill 550.
Because they're being used as human shields.
Let me show something that we have on this program.
I'm about to show this audience.
These are cartoons that are air in Gaza for young children that are taught to hate the Jewish people.
That you're teaching them to hate from that young age.
Not good.
No.
Here's the problem.
Any kind of issue.
Here's the problem of hatred is immoral and wrong.
Here's the problem I have with you.
Other than others, if there's any hatred of anybody.
Would you condemn Black Lives Matter Chicago for justifying the Hamas murder by using these little airplane things and coming down on the music?
I would certainly condemn it.
You condemn Black Lives Matter.
I would condemn anybody.
I hope you found that worthwhile.
I mean, you know, we let it run longer on TV.
I'm sure it's up on foxnews.com.
We'll put a video on Hannity.com.
All right, let's get to our phones in the meantime.
Many of you have been very, very patient.
Let's say hi to Andrews in Texas.
Andrew, hi, how are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Good.
How are you, Sean?
I'm good, sir.
I wish these were better times, but I'm good.
Yeah, you and me both.
I just want to say that, you know, at this point, there's some people calling for a full-on military response from us.
And at this point, I don't think that would help.
I think that what I'd like to see, and what I hear is happening right now, is the United States Special Forces going in and rescuing as many American hostages as they can find alive.
I think maybe us getting fully involved, even though Israel is our ally and we have to support them.
I think that maybe that would be even more of a debacle than what we need right now, what Israel needs.
Explain that in more detail.
What kind of support are you referring to?
So like a full-on military response, right?
So you got troops on the ground, all the things.
I think we could do better at supporting Israel than we are Ukraine.
But I think right now, what would be a good idea is more ships out there along the coast, maybe some battleships and stuff just to show a force.
Say, hey, if you guys don't back off, you know, this is what's going to happen.
Listen, in the short term, what really Israel needs, and they probably need munitions and some of that logistical support, which we should be providing.
And for those that might say, we don't have a moral imperative to help or involve ourselves, let me remind you of this.
The world was behind us when we lost 2,977 of our fellow Americans on 9-11.
And the world was not shy about sharing what we needed at the time with us.
And I would say that it is a noble cause to take out terrorists wherever they are.
And certainly, beyond everything else, just offer the moral support as Israel stood by us after 9-11.
Benjamin Netanyahu was a loud, outspoken supporter of America response, America's response to 9-11.
Now, was it perfect?
Nope.
It was not.
Were mistakes made?
Uh-huh.
They were.
I hope we learned from them.
But beyond that, whatever Israel feels they need to do, that's in their best national security interest to protect their people.
I am fully on board supporting their right to defend themselves.
They lost the equivalent of what would have been, if you look population to population and extrapolate it out, we would have lost in one day 37,000 Americans.
What would you want our country to do?
I know what I would want.
Anyway, my friend, thank you.
We appreciate your call.
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Senator Marco Rubio, for one, is going to join us tonight.
Vivek Ramaswamy has kind of stepped in it a little bit, and we'll talk to him about it.
Nikki Haley, Condoleezza Rice, Sarah Carter, Tommy Larence, Steve Miller, Newt Gingrich in Studio, Corey Mills, and so much more.
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