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Battle on the Hill - October 2nd, Hour 2
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All right, so we've we've had this intramural battle within the Republican ranks.
And it's a little frustrating to me on a number of fronts, but it's it's absolutely salvageable if Republicans can just be united on a plan.
And and while there's very strong arguments to be made that it would have been ideal to have 12 appropriations bills uh passed uh certainly over the summer July and August or put forward and voted on uh directly.
Um there has been some amazing work done and needle threading in very positive ways.
And the two people that really that that I've been in touch with that I've been in touch with many people that have led this effort are Congressman Chiproy of Texas and Byron Donald's of of Florida.
These guys have been working really hard behind the scenes to try and bring everybody together.
I thought both continuing resolutions were really good.
Uh Byron Donald's, Chip Roy.
Chip, why don't you give us the behind the scenes?
What do you got going on?
Well, thanks, Sean.
Great to be on, great to be on my friend Byron.
Uh and look, you summarize it very well for the listeners out there.
Uh look, this is the sausage getting made.
Um we demanded in January that we have a seat at the table, that we open this process up.
This this town has been being run behind closed doors for far too long.
So it's messy.
You and I sat, Byron and I sat next to you after the speaker agreement in January, and I said that sometimes you gotta break a little glass in this town.
Well, some glass is getting broken again.
We're trying to kind of navigate through it.
Bottom line for me is pretty simple.
I don't think right now, this is my opinion, that it's time in the middle of the third quarter to go down the road on motion vacate.
I think the timing here is not the right path from my standpoint.
Where we should be is we gotta finish the job.
I didn't like the deal on Saturday.
I did.
I would have preferred what we put forward, what Byron and I and others worked put forward.
But some of our colleagues on the right weren't there.
They wanted to see appropriations bill.
They didn't want to do a CR.
It wasn't a TR.
It was cut and border security.
But okay, move on.
My deal is what happened Saturday happened.
Uh I don't want that to happen again.
So let's right now endeavor to get in 45 days.
Let's finish the appropriations fight.
Well, am I am I right in saying that we have four appropriations bills done?
We have four appropriations bills done.
We have two that I'm gonna go to rules committee and hopefully move out for this week and another one uh for later this week.
Let's get that done in the next 45 days.
Number one, let's force spending below the debt ceiling deal.
Number two, let's make sure that we force if if if there's gonna be a demand for another dollar for Ukraine.
Not my preference, but if there's going to be another dollar spent for Ukraine, we must secure the border.
We must pass HR2.
We must have the border security as a part of it, and this is the important part.
Any dollar spent for Ukraine should be offset out of IRS or Inflation Reduction Act money.
Texas needs to get paid back out of IRS and Inflation Red Act money for the open border.
And the disaster relief bill that was just tacked on to the TR on Saturday for sixteen billion dollars needs to be offset out of IRS or inflation reduction act money.
There is a path, and I think Kevin can uh prove his speakership if he gets those things done.
That is what we ought to do over the next 45 days.
Listen, uh Byron, are you on the same page?
Uh yeah, I am, so and I gotta tell you coming back.
I flew back this morning to Washington, and at the end of the day, it's about securing our southern border first and foremost and getting uh to quote my friendship, the woke and wep weaponized stuff out of our government.
That is the mission.
Everything else takes us away from that.
And so, yeah, I don't like this 45 day clean CR.
I would have much rather have cut thirty percent out of the federal agencies and secure the southern border and force the white house to do that.
And and Sean, one quick thing.
Well, Byron, the the problem was not even the moderates.
You both of you put together and and again, you guys are the conservative wing of the Republican caucus.
You guys are the freedom caucus members of the c there.
You guys are the ones that are fighting for the things that I want and that most of this audience wants, and that is secure borders, fiscal responsibility, and and yeah, you're right about you know, getting rid of woke weaponization, I'd also add to that a department of justice that's been weaponized.
You know, and I'm and I'm I look, I I wish the process was going faster for Comer and and Jim Jordan and Jason Smith, but they're making a lot of progress those three.
And they're unpeeling layers of an onion under very difficult circumstances where nobody's cooperative.
So I'm we're all on the same page here, but yet we don't have some other conservatives that would otherwise be with us, and I want to get to that in a second, but go ahead.
Well, I think look, the the one thing about this town, I've learned this pretty quickly in three years, is this town works on leverage, and frankly, political leverage, and you have to find those opportunities to leverage this town into doing the things that they don't really want to do, but it's that that's what the people want.
And right now that is border security.
So in my mind, Sean, I agree with what Chip is saying, but everything we do the next 45 days has to be focused on making sure that we secure the southern border, no matter what Joe Biden thinks and no matter what Chuck Schumer thinks, that has to be the line in the sand for us to proceed going forward.
See, what's crucial to me is as soon as you guys do unite and you're pr and HR2 is a part of it, that's the border security bill.
Uh uh Congressman uh Chiproy, I agree with you on the offset issue, and I I like the idea of Texas being paid back because it's it's billions of dollars that have been unfairly burdening the people of Texas.
And and they have a hundred and fifty thousand illegal immigrants in New York and they're asking for twelve billion.
Uh certainly if they get twelve billion, you deserve for a hundred and fifty billion at least.
So, but my point is here once you guys get these measures, fiscal responsibility measures, border security measures into a bill that the House passes, then you're gonna throw this in the hands of Mitch McConnell.
And that will allow conservatives like Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Rand Paul, and others, you know, to now begin to battle them because this is only gonna be settled in conference.
And I think, you know, once the American public becomes aware of the options, which is reckless spending in a deal that McConnell made with Schumer, uh, or you know, these significant improvements that you guys are demanding, I think you'll have the public on your side, and then all pressure then switches to them where it should be.
Well, let me just say this.
Something really important happened this past weekend on Saturday.
I did not, let me repeat for the audience.
I voted it against and did not want a 45-day CR with 16 billion of disaster supplemental.
I did not want to vote for another dollar for Homeland Security without securing the border.
Come on.
However, that's what ended up being the play call, given the circumstances of the day.
And here's one good thing, though.
The Senate Republicans rallied around that instead of what Mitch McConnell wanted, which was the deal with Schumer with the Ukraine money in it.
That is so critically important because it demonstrates that we have leverage to force the hand, because a hundred and seventeen Republicans voted against the three hundred million dollars of Ukraine funding that we separated out from the Department of Defense funding bill last week so that we can move the defense appropriations bill through.
That is a majority of the Republican conference.
And we saw Senate Republicans rally around us instead of Mitch McConnell.
Guys, we've got to play the long game Here and win this.
Let me be very clear.
I am not going to walk away from what we need to do to, with all due respect to my, you know, to the speaker.
To I'm not, we gotta hold him accountable to get this done, okay?
And we cannot dither.
But we have got to get this done right now in November and December.
We have an obligation to secure the border, cut spending, and hold the Senate accountable, and use Ukraine as the leverage necessary to get that done, in my view.
I I agree.
Okay, so now I've got to ask both of you.
Uh Matt Gates, your colleague has pretty much promised a motion to vacate.
How big a distraction does that become and where does that end?
Byron Donald's.
Well, I think it's a major distraction.
It's going to take every all of the focus away from appropriations.
You're gonna be me right now, Sean, for the Republican members, whether they're long-standing members or new members like myself, moderates, conservatives, they all gotta come get to an agreement on passing each other bills.
This motion to vacate that takes away from all of that.
For people who are concerned about the FBI and Jack Smith and wanting to hold the Department of Justice accountable, there's not going to be any leverage to do that if House Republicans are fighting amongst themselves.
And so, look, I understand where Matt is, but I just think it's the wrong fight at the wrong time.
Chip, what's your take?
Yeah, in my view, and I agree with Byron.
And by the way, in fairness to Matt, I mean, he does make one good point, and he deserves credit for this.
He he felt he's been promised, and that it was an original promise we'd get the appropriations bills done on time.
We didn't get them done on time.
100%.
And I've I've been critical of the speaker for that as Byron.
I don't want to speak for him, but we've been critical of that.
And and and I I agree with that.
But look, this is the situation in my view.
We're in the middle of the third quarter, maybe the end of the third quarter, heading into the fourth quarter, and we've had some wins this year, and we've had some setbacks this year.
I think that the speaker deserves the ability to finish this process, this year's process, through the appropriations process, through the battle of funding government, through the Ukraine debate and border, and to honor the commitments he's made.
Because let's take a step back.
He's honored commitments to put conservatives on committee.
He honored commitments to put conservatives on the rules committee.
He honored uh the agreements that we were we were uh to to move a good uh border bill this year.
There's a lot of things that were done.
The debt deal fell short, 100%.
I led the charge along with Byron to highlight how his deficient.
But now here we sit.
I didn't like the 45-day deal.
Our conservative brothers and sisters should have agreed with us, and if they had, we would have gone into shutdown and we've been fighting with for the American people for a secure border and cutting spending.
But we didn't.
The speaker made the call, you know, and now I believe in the third quarter.
Let's let the fourth quarter go.
We're gonna set the demand, win this game, and we'll move on.
If you don't, well, then we're gonna have to deal with it.
All right, quick break more with Congressman Chiproy, Congressman Byron Donald's on the other side.
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All right, as we continue with Byron Donalds and Chip Roy discussing, you know, the appropriations process.
Now they kick the can down the road for 45 days, but there is an opportunity here to salvage this in major ways.
I mean, there's there's all these threats out there that oh, we're gonna use the ethics committee process uh to punish Matt Gates.
I don't like that idea either, Byron.
No, I totally agree with you, Sean.
Completely against it.
Look, I get it, members are upset about what happened over the weekend, but retaliating against another member is just a wrong thing to wrong thing to do.
Listen, we had Liz Cheney in our conference, Sean, when she was going after Donald Trump.
We had Adam Kingsinger in our conference when he was going after Donald Trump, sitting on the January 6th committee.
So I think going after Matt is the absolute wrong play.
I don't want to see that happen at all.
Nobody should be they shouldn't be turning the screws of this place against the member because he simply disagrees.
And Matt has a disagreement tactically on how we land this land this plane, so to speak.
Wrong players.
If he gets the appropriations now that he wants in this 45-day window, I mean, this is all to me, it's salvageable.
If I'm wrong, correct me.
Uh and we get the twelve uh w with the the very specific things that both of you have mentioned here.
To me, you end up on the winning side here, and you win together or you're gonna lose together.
It's not like you know, one part of the team wins and one loses.
It's gonna be win together or lose together.
So I I would agree, and and here's the the most important part.
We have to keep the spending levels below the debt ceiling deal.
Much way below, yes.
And number two, we must secure the border.
And it's we're gonna be very clear.
This thing is going to rise or fall on the willingness of our leadership to draw a line in the sand.
You're going to legitimately secure the border.
And I know what that means.
It is HR2, the provisions in HR2.
You know, it's a few additional things that we need to do for border patrol.
Get that done.
And now you can talk about Ukraine.
If you agree to a deal to give a single dollar to Ukraine and we haven't secured the border, then it is a whole new game.
I was gonna say it that the gloves are off that.
We've got to stay together and unified and get the job done.
I'm willing to ride that out in December to try to get that done.
Okay.
Uh Byron, do you agree?
You're in a full agreement with that.
Yeah, I agree with that, Sean.
Listen, we have one mission, it's doing the job that the people sent us here to do.
Everything else is to take a back seat to that.
And look, if if if our leadership doesn't get us to that point where we feel we had ever we did everything we could, then they gotta answer for that.
Are you both confident you get there with Kevin?
Get there.
What do you mean?
You mean get the thing.
In other words, is Kevin gonna uh do everything that we just discussed.
Well, I'll put it this way.
He must.
Got it.
Byron, you agree?
100%.
All right.
We're we're we're speaking with one voice.
I agree with everybody here.
Um and uh the good news is there is an opportunity here.
I mean, we I think we kind of missed one or two, and a lot of it had to do with both of you, but with that said, uh you know, that's life in Washington.
Uh, but you got 45 days now to wrap this up and get those goals achieved.
And then it gets into the hands of the Senate.
And you know what?
I just say in conference, you just stay strong and just sit there and put drop it on their lap.
They deserve the pressure.
Uh anyway, thank you, Byron Donald's Chip Roy.
I think both of you are on TV tonight.
Look forward to having you both on.
We'll have new developments by then as well.
Thanks, Sean.
See you in a minute, Byron.
Later.
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I understand all the arguments.
And nobody likes Vladimir Putin.
Let me be very clear.
Vladimir Putin is a murdering, dictating thug.
And what's very, very unfortunate as he was building up his troops along the border with Ukraine, why anybody after he annexed Crimea, they doubted in any way that he had full intentions of going into Ukraine.
Uh I don't know, because I thought that was naive, dumb, and stupid.
You know, I think not to be prepared for China trying to take over of Taiwan and and again their geopolitical ambitions, territorial ambitions, they they want to fulfill.
That's all part of the equation, also.
And then what is the most frustrating, just like until Donald Trump became president, NATO never paid their fair share.
Okay, he got them to pay their fair share.
We still paid the bulk of monies because they were basing it, you know, the your payments based on the percentage of GDP.
Now they're back to not paying their fair share anymore.
And this is a European continent problem.
This is not an American problem.
They're not a Ukraine is not a member of NATO.
Uh when I see innocent, you know, w men, women, and children that are being slaughtered by an evil madman in our time, do I like it?
No, I don't.
But there's got to be certain conditions before America, you know, actively, you know, it just seemed to unilaterally grab the mantle and take on the massive amount of funding for this war at a time when we can least afford it.
And Europe has not stepped up to protect their own continent.
That's my first point of anger.
It's real anger.
So, unless and until Europe does their fair share, and unless and until they adopt strategies that show and prove that they actually want to win the war, end it, and get the hell out of there.
Um, the United States' role, you know, frankly, should be non-existent until they all start doing their part.
Anyway, here's Joe Biden saying we cannot under any circumstances allow American support for Ukraine to be interrupted.
I guess one thing you have to think about is how much does Joe need Zelensky's help now that Joe is on tape bragging that he leveraged the billion dollars when he was vice president and to get a prosecutor fired from investigating Barisma, oil and gas giant that was paying his son who admits he had no experience of fortune.
I wonder how much of this money that Joe wants to use of your tax dollars might be protection money.
so that whatever information the Ukrainians have on him and Hunter and his family and the business dealings won't be forthcoming.
It's a fair question.
Nobody else seems to want to raise it, but I'll raise it.
And anyway, here's Joe.
The overwhelming majority of the Congress have steadfastly supported Ukraine to defend itself against the aggression and brutality of the Russians'attack on women and children in addition to the military in Ukraine.
there's no Ukraine funding in this agreement.
Despite that, I did not believe we could let millions of Americans go through the pain of a government shutdown.
But let's be clear, I hope my friends on the other side keep their word about support for Ukraine.
They said they were going to support Ukraine in this separate vote.
We cannot, under any circumstance, allow American support for Ukraine to be interrupted.
I fully expect the Speaker to keep his commitment to secure the passage and support needed to help Ukraine as they defend themselves against aggression and brutality.
No, it's become a proxy war for the U.S. versus Russia.
Anyway, let's get to our uh telephones here.
A lot of you have been very, very patient.
Rick is in Louisiana.
Rick, hey, how are you?
Glad you called, sir.
I'm doing fantastic.
Um my subject was, you know, somebody needs to dig deep and see if there's any record, you know, of any of these prosecutors saying that they um were you know looking at making uh President Trump uh ineligible for the voting, I mean, for for running for president.
Because if they can get somebody on record, especially the Georgia lady, uh Well, I mean, you you have in the case of Georgia and the cases in New York, uh, including this case that opened today, you do have A.G.s and prosecutors and DAs on record saying that they are running on a platform to get Donald Trump and to get his family and to get their organization.
Yeah, but to get Donald Trump uh I'm talking about to get him make him ineligible to run.
That would be election.
Those efforts I don't see going anywhere.
They there's been chatter talk in a number of states, but it all dies down when they realize there's something that would prevent them from doing that, and that's the Constitution, which does not have any such requirements for eligibility to run for president.
Uh-huh.
And you know, one other question about uh Biden's um issues with his with you know Hunter, isn't fifty thousand dollars a month rent, isn't that money laundering?
Uh you know, it all depends on how you define money laundering, isn't it?
You know, uh are you talking about the money that he spent on his father's house for the room that he was staying in?
That's correct.
Yes.
And because, you know, if the normal rent would be five thousand or ten thousand, then getting forty is a way to wash the money to get it to his dad.
Well, it certainly uh is a question that needs to be answered, and and how long did that go on for and how much money was actually transferred, and you know, everybody keeps saying, well, you know, Joe never benefited financially.
Well, not according to his son Hunter, uh not according to the emails with Eric Sherwin, who is the financial apparently lead uh for Rosemont Seneca and Hunter's communications with him about how they're gonna pay for Pops' home repairs, uh, nor the nor the conversation that Hunter had, I believe with his own sister saying, Well, At least you don't have to give half your income to Pops or P Tony Bobolinsky exposing that the big guy and putting money aside for the big guy, uh the big guy being Joe Biden.
So not that the bribery statute actually even mandates that Joe benefited one penny, but if he took actions as vice president that resulted in the enrichment of his family, which we know he did, um, then that does in fact reach that high bar of bribery.
I would think so.
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Final hour roundup is next.
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And stay tuned for the final hour free-for-all on the Sean Hannity Show.
We're going to get back to our phones.
But don't forget, at the top of the hour, Jay Sekulow will weigh in on the sham news.
You know, trial going on in New York today.
It is it is it is so frankly it's un American what's going on here.
What they're trying to do here.
How the great injustice I've never seen anything like this in my life.
But anyway, he'll weigh in on it.
Laura Trump will weigh in on it, but let's get back to our phones.
Melissa next in Arizona.
How are you, Melissa?
I'm doing good, Sean.
We're out here in the border state, and it's really, really gotten crazy here.
And I just want to start off by saying we love President Trump here.
Arizona used to be a bright red state until we had all the California people move here.
And bring their kooky policies with them.
Uh, I think there's a lot of truth to what you're saying.
Yes.
Yes, yes, a bright red state.
But we love President Trump, but Mr. Hannity, I do have a bone to pick with you though.
Everybody has a bone to pick with me at some point.
Don't worry, my own kids don't agree with me all the time.
Linda like agrees with me half the time.
I love Linda.
I mean Katie too.
Katie's so nice, too.
Everyone sucks up to Linda and Katie so they can get on the air.
I know this little game everyone plays.
I but this is not my first rodeo.
Go ahead.
But no, with um when Ted Cruz was Senator Ted Cruz was running for president, you would have him on.
And you were really hard on him.
I really wasn't.
And and I think Ted Cruz would admit that.
You know, at the time his campaign accused me of giving more time to Donald Trump.
And by the way, stu the little intramural battles like this, everyone gets all worked up.
And at the end of we actually did a complete thorough check, and we we actually timed out how much time I'd given in the primary to Ted Senator Cruz, who's a friend of mine, and Donald Trump.
And it turned out that actually Cruz had gotten more time than than pres than candidate Trump, candidate Cruz got more time.
Well, well, this is a thing uh I I wonder about because then you have people like Stephen A. Smith.
I love Stephen A. He's my friend, but we talk sports, we just mess around.
Well, see, then this is the same.
A lot of us here, we see you, Mr. Hannity, as a champion for the working class because you have this big uh platform.
But then when we see you buddy up with Stephen A. Smith, who his kooky ways have affected the working class, you can't tell me that.
Stephen A, ninety-nine percent of the time is talking sports.
Now, when he comes on this show, you know, we talk politics, because in the course of any given show on any given day, if he's listening, he's sending me these really snarky sarcastic notes telling me how wrong I am.
And you know, occasionally I'm sending him notes too about how wrong he is on sports.
And I could tell you it's only done out of good fun, uh, with Stephen A. But what we have seen is you seem to be more friendly with Stephen A. Smith than you were with Senator Cruz when he was running for president.
You've been watching Senator Cruz and mine's relationship.
We we're we're like I love Senator Cruz.
We're we've been friends for a long time.
I've campaigned for Senator Cruz when I wasn't allowed to.
But when I got in trouble for campaigning for him.
When he was running for president, you were you were kind of you were a little mean to him, and then we had kooky people like Linda.
Was I mean the Senator?
I don't think I was ever mean to Senator Cruz.
All right, stop.
Was I mean the Senator Cruz?
I would I would hope you would really confront Stephen A. Smith when he comes on.
Why is Stephen A he's only on like just briefly occasionally is a f he's a friend of mine.
Um, and we just have a good time together.
We don't agree on everything, but but he's a wonderful person.
He's got a great heart.
But but he's a sports guy.
He's not he's not a political commentator.
If he's voted the way he has, and then it's affected the working class.
He's fairly down the middle when it comes to politics.
He thinks the the left wing is out of their mind.
He just doesn't like Donald Trump.
That I can tell you.
He shouldn't be allowed to vote if you if he doesn't agree with you, we don't we are not gonna let him vote.
We can't do that.
I mean listen, let me just say this.
Some I I bring people on this program, and I disagree with some of them.
It doesn't have to be personal.
I think when I challenge, for example, Gavin Newsom, I did a pretty good job of exposing that the policies he's put in place are not working.
And, you know, in spite of his very, very professional glib, you know, answers, people and I'm and me pressing him, I think people get to the right place and conclude, okay.
Yeah, taxes are too high out there, their energy policies are too s extreme, their sanctuary state status is way out of control and is is causing the chaos all over the country now.
Uh there's a reason people leaving that state in droves.
You know, people are smart.
I give them a lot of credit, okay.
Um yeah, I mean, I just wish you would press more instead of giggling with them.
Oh no, I did you not see me the other night with Gavin?
I pressed him hard.
I pressed him hard on all those issues.
You giggled with him.
I go, why is he giggling with them?
What do you think?
I'm Kamala Harris?
I don't giggle.
I'm not a giggler.
Have I ever giggled Linda?
A little bit of a bromance with news of them, I'm not gonna lie.
Yeah, but wait a minute.
But what's the method to my madness?
I tell him with kindness, I don't know.
No, the method is I've been telling people you better pay attention to this guy.
And I am telling people if I just said it, it would have no impact.
Showing people, it's had an impact.
Let me tell you, this debate between him and DeSantis has gotten way more attention than I ever thought it would.
Even more attention than me defending Taylor Smith, uh Taylor Swift.
I got a lot of attention.
Clearly like her a lot.
You can't even get her name right.
I don't know what I can't.
Tears on my guitar.
I think that's the only song I know for sure that she thinks.
Uh I just hate when people are just mean, you know.
She's one of the nicest people to her fans.
She writes her own music.
I respect it.
I respect it.
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