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	I think that's a good idea for a Friday.
	You know, Linda, we got to bring back a hate Hannity hour, and we got to work on that.
	You know what I want to bring back?
	What?
	I really doubly, triple hate Hannity.
	Open Line Friday.
	I was saying to Katie the other day, you know, people call in with the weirdest things.
	Yeah.
	The crap I'm not even thinking about.
	We should do that on a Friday.
	Well, that was Russia's thing.
	But we used to do it, boss.
	We used to do it.
	We used to do it.
	We called it the Friday free-for-all is what we call it.
	That's right.
	Right.
	Maybe we should.
	I don't think that may not be a bad idea.
	Maybe we'll try it next week.
	And maybe we'll bring back one hour of only I hate Hannity calls it, but you really have to hate me.
	I'm not doing that.
	That's not Christian.
	No, that's fine.
	I want people to have a forum.
	Is that like the pagan hour?
	I don't get it.
	No, it's not like the pagan hour.
	What is wrong with you?
	What is happening?
	What is wrong with you?
	We need to come up with this stuff.
	You know, you still, you know, you really have made great strides and changes because I know you've embraced your faith, your Christianity.
	But man, you know, the hate list still exists.
	I know you could say, well, no, I shrunk it.
	I shrunk it.
	I did.
	Okay, it's supposed to not exist to give us for an hour of hate.
	Now you tell me I can't have a hate list.
	I'm not saying it's my hate.
	The people that hate me, I'm giving them a chance to vent.
	So what are you going to do?
	You're going to give them a chance to vent?
	Yeah, it'll make it.
	It could be a very cathartic experience for them.
	That's what rubber rooms are for.
	Go let them talk to themselves in an echo chamber.
	Well, I'd rather them talk to America, and then it could be very entertaining in the process.
	Here you go, Saturday.
	Why don't you poll your caller since you're going to them anyway?
	Ask them what they think.
	All right, as we go.
	Don, Iowa.
	Well, first of all, do you like the idea of a hate Hannity hour?
	Just people that really despise me hate my guts?
	Couldn't agree with you more.
	It would be entertaining.
	It would not be educational.
	All right, so we can have an entertaining hour of radio.
	I think it'll be fine.
	Yeah, well, they certainly wouldn't talk bad about Linda or Katie.
	So, you know.
	Oh, stop kissing their backs.
	Stop.
	Everyone does that just because they think it helps them get on the air.
	Stop.
	No, there are people that hate Katie in particular because Katie hangs up on them.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's just it.
	Katie doesn't hang up on me because she's a sweetheart.
	Yeah, well, I mean, when people call in and Katie, stop hanging up on the people that start cursing me out and saying that I'm horrible.
	And just, you know, get the number.
	We'll call them back and let them be on one day.
	That's a good idea.
	All right, what's on your mind?
	It's a great idea.
	Well, Sean, you know the president will be here in Otumwa on Sunday again.
	I'm hoping to get down there and visit.
	Oh, that'd be fun.
	I mean, he had a, you know, when I say the president, I mean Donald Trump, of course.
	I knew who you were talking about.
	It's not going to be Biden in Iowa, trust me.
	He dissed Iowa big time.
	He couldn't find it on a map.
	It doesn't matter.
	You know, I've been to Iowa a lot.
	Can I just tell you what I like about Iowa?
	Are you interested at all?
	If not, just tell me.
	Oh, absolutely.
	I love the people, Iowa.
	You know, when Joni Ernst, you know, ran the ad about, you know, the pig farm, I mean, there's something about people that live off the land that I am in awe of.
	That's why I love all those Alaska frontier shows, you know, a life below zero, people living off the grid, deadliest catch.
	I'm just fascinated with people that do that stuff.
	And people like farmers, when farmers call in on this show, I could talk to them all day because when I'm having a crappy day, which is a lot more often than people think, I mean, I don't bring it on the air, the stuff that I have to deal with behind the scenes just so I can keep working, but it's like never-ending crap.
	It's just, I'm like, why am I here?
	Why I should be on a tractor hanging out with this farmer, learning how to do farming.
	Does that sound bizarre?
	No, not at all.
	I have a son in the Navy who'd love to go into farming after he retires in seven more years.
	You know how satisfying it's got to be?
	You plant corn.
	Like I've had three years in a row.
	I have a little garden in my backyard, and you can laugh at me if you want.
	I don't really care.
	And I have my little garden, and I get my tomatoes, and I get my cucumbers, and I get my bell peppers.
	I even got watermelon for the first time this year.
	I actually worked.
	I don't even like watermelon.
	But, you know, people that come over like watermelon.
	I don't like watermelon.
	And, you know, a squash.
	I don't like squash either.
	But I grow it just to see if I can make it grow.
	And I always want the corn because I really love corn on the comp.
	I can't get corn to grow.
	It is infuriating to me because then the deer come, you know, prancing along.
	It's like my cousin Vezzi prancing along, seeing a little, you know, brook, taking a little sip of water, and F and bang, some guy comes along and shoots it.
	You know, you remember that scene?
	Two Utes.
	Yes.
	Two Utes.
	Yeah.
	What's a Ute?
	My stepson's favorite movie.
	Absolutely.
	All right.
	I'm interrupting too much.
	What's on your mind?
	No, that's okay.
	I appreciate your reminiscing.
	It's great.
	And if you give me your address, I'll send you some sweet corn because you know we've got the best sweet corn out here.
	The reason I called is yesterday you mentioned during the impeachment hearings, the Democrats, the liberals came out and said that there's no evidence that Joe Biden did anything wrong.
	And I can completely refute them simply because Joe Biden personally flew Hunter Biden to all these introduced introductions to all these energy companies.
	And immediately after that is when Hunter Biden started collecting the bribes that they were collecting.
	The biggest example of that is the Asia trip stopping in China and then the billion dollar, which became a billion five dollar, according to Peter Schweitzer, deal with the Bank of China.
	Again, no experience, just like CEFC, the energy giant in China, no experience being paid a fortune.
	And a forgivable no-interest loan that has another name.
	It's also called a bribe.
	If it's forgivable and it's no interest, it's not a loan.
	It's a bribe.
	By the way, if I gave you a no-interest $5 million loan that's forgivable, would you ever pay me back?
	No, no.
	Why would I?
	I mean, well, the terms are it's forgivable.
	You told me it's forgivable.
	Forgive me.
	That's right.
	All right.
	I made that deal.
	I'm stuck with it.
	Yeah.
	Joe Biden, day one, shutting down American energy, enriching all these other countries and paving the way for Russia to invade Ukraine because Europe was at Russia's mercy energy-wise.
	By the way, I missed the Iowa Fair this year.
	How cool is it?
	You get fried Twinkies, fried Oreos, fried pickles.
	Well, my favorite is pork chop on a stick.
	Oh, how awesome is that?
	Fried Snickers.
	Yeah, I've had fried Snickers.
	It's awesome.
	I mean, it's all awesome.
	Except I'm like, I missed it this year.
	It's so frustrating.
	We do have a fair in, you know, in the fall, usually in October in my town, and it's called Oyster Fest.
	I go every year.
	The food is amazing.
	All I do, and they have a great Long Island Sweet Corner, if you can believe it.
	It's not as good as Iowa, I'm sure, but it's good.
	No, it's not bad, though.
	You're absolutely right.
	They drench it in butter.
	I pour a ton of salt on it.
	It's perfect.
	Like, nothing better.
	Too full of oysters to be eating any corn.
	Yeah, they can keep the oysters.
	I don't want the oysters.
	Oh, they're crazy.
	All right, my friend.
	I'll send you oysters.
	You can send me corn deal.
	Don, thank you, brother.
	Have a good weekend, okay?
	Thanks, Sean.
	You as well.
	Take care.
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	Carolyn is in Long Island, New York.
	Have you ever been to the Oyster Fest?
	No, but I think I'm going to go this year.
	Go, you'll have a great time, I promise.
	Okay, great.
	So I was calling about the Republican debate the other night.
	And, you know, it just, I think to most people, it's like, first of all, I hate when they talk all over each other.
	I hate when they talk about each other.
	I don't like when they bring up Trump.
	Forget about Trump.
	He's going to win anyway.
	That's how I feel.
	Then I saw your after the show with Gavin Newsome.
	And, you know, he annoys me.
	You're great at the questions.
	And he wants to dodge every question.
	And, you know, you know he's full of baloney.
	You know, he probably does want to run for president.
	And I'm just a Trump bet.
	And that's all.
	I want Trump to win.
	He's the only one I think that could really get us back on track.
	And Ron DeSantis, I love, I bought a house in Florida.
	I want him to stay in Florida.
	He's young.
	He could wait till the next time.
	Of course, that's just my opinion, but what could I tell you?
	You know, you and I probably hear the same thing.
	I don't know if you have an accountant or a money advisor or somebody that does your taxes, whatever.
	You know, my tax guy tells me every year, whatever you do, Hennedy, don't die in New York.
	I'm like, oh, I'll try not to.
	I'm like, no kidding.
	I know.
	He goes, you know, 10% goes to New York after all the money that they took from you.
	I wish I could follow a class action, you know, that, you know, I've been price gouged on my taxes here.
	Look, you know, here's the thing, though.
	You're actually validating what I believe with what you just said.
	And that is when I challenged him on everything, Gavin Newsom.
	I challenged him on Joe's cognitive abilities.
	I challenged him on his taxes.
	I challenged him on the high cost of gas in California.
	I challenged him on his sanctuary state status.
	And he gives his answers, and he's, you know, right out of central casting politician school.
	And he gives these answers.
	But you see through it.
	You see, I give a lot of credit to my audience that you're smart enough to know, and he's ducking, dodging, weaving, and not exactly, you know, getting it.
	Right.
	And I watched the first time that when you had him on the show.
	And I'm kind of glad that him and Ron DeSantis are going to have a go at it.
	And I hope that Ron DeSantis puts him under the table.
	What could I tell you?
	But he's pretty slick, that Gavin, you know?
	Oh, and Ron will know that.
	I mean, Ron will be ready for my view.
	And Newsom will be ready for Ron.
	But the one thing is they really hate each other.
	The one difference I will agree with you, I can name three people that I really think don't belong in that, did not belong in that stage the other night.
	Two.
	I wrote their names down, actually.
	All right.
	Who are your three?
	Chris Christie?
	My three is Pence, Christie, and actually Tim.
	Okay.
	I disagree with you on the Tim part.
	And the Pence part.
	I think they should be there.
	However, I'm not going to name the other ones.
	But I'm just saying it lends itself to that.
	When I have a one-on-one, 90-minute debate with these two guys, there's going to be plenty of room for them to breathe.
	My job as a moderator is going to be to reduce to the extent I possibly can them, you know, not letting each other breathe.
	And I think I can do that because we have 90 minutes.
	Yes.
	And the other thing I wanted to mention was, you know, when they were going at each other, specifically Tim and Nikki, and Ron DeSantis was trying to talk to the panel about them getting it under control.
	I'm sorry.
	I felt that they didn't do a good job with that.
	You know, they're both friends of mine.
	I love Stuart and Dana.
	Let me tell you, it's like herding cats.
	It is at some points, and I've had this experience, it's very frustrating as a monitor moderator because they're not listening to you.
	And, you know, then you have to become a hall monitor like Chris Wallace, and that's not ideal either.
	So, you know, you're kind of in a no-win situation for them when they don't cooperate and follow the rules.
	It's not really their fault as much as they were trying.
	And I give them, I think, I thought they did a good job considering what the hand they dealt.
	I think they needed a gavel.
	No, at some point, you just got to have a system shut their mic off and just that's it.
	They can talk and nobody will hear them.
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	That's the truth.
	All right, Carolyn.
	My advice: get down to Florida soon, okay?
	I know.
	Thank you.
	God bless you.
	Lisa in North Carolina.
	We love North Carolina.
	How are you, Lisa?
	What's going on?
	Hey, Sean.
	Thank you for taking my call.
	I just wanted to say, I know that you are an advocate for freedom, but us conservatives, we have basically one station to watch.
	And I agree so much with Linda about not giving Gavin any airtime.
	I think he's just going to lie and he's going to confuse our party of the people that's already confused, such as our younger generation.
	I think Rhonda Sanders is doing it for airplay, but I think he doesn't even probably understand why you're doing it.
	We see what he's done to his state, and we just don't want to really listen to him, in my opinion.
	And if we did want to hear what the Democrats and liberals say, we would watch those stations.
	Well, let me give you a counter to that if I can, okay?
	Okay, go ahead.
	You know, we're a divided country.
	How do we reconcile sanctuary state status versus enforcing the laws?
	How do you, where's the middle ground with defund, dismantle, and law and order?
	Where is the middle ground with energy, dominance, and independence, you know, versus Green New Dealism?
	Great call.
	Have a great weekend.
	Thank you, Lisa.
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	You know, there are some people that have blown me away in life by their faith.
	And obviously, I'm a believer.
	I don't hide it.
	I'm a Christian.
	I'm the Christian that needs saving.
	I'm not the Christian that, you know, no Christian, that's a fallacy that the mob and the media tries to, you know, present that, oh, Christians think they're perfect.
	No, actually, the first thing as a Christian is you have to admit that you're a sinner and that you're not living the way you should be living.
	And you ask God to help you become a better person.
	And you ask forgiveness.
	And that's the real heart of Christianity.
	But I've met so many really, you know, really wonderful people that have amazing, deep, and abiding faith.
	And, you know, at certain times in my life, there have been people that I've looked to that I think are just the real deal in terms of their faith and their Christianity.
	And out of nowhere, they give me phone calls.
	You know, one was Jerry Falwell Sr.
	I couldn't believe it.
	Liberty University, Jerry Sr.
	and Thomas Rhodes Baptist Church.
	And, you know, for example, there was a moment when a Catholic priest I was debating, by the way, who was later arrested years later, ironically, I said, well, for people that are not believers, I'd rather they use birth control than have an abortion.
	That's all I said.
	I wasn't talking about members of the church.
	I was talking about members that weren't a member of the church.
	And he comes on the air and, you know, with his great sanctimony and tells me, well, if you ever come to my church, I wouldn't give you communion.
	I got a call from my pastor the next day, and I got a call from Jerry Falwell, who said, you're welcome to my church anytime.
	Other times he'd call me usually kind of at the right moment and just say, I just woke up this morning, was thinking about you, and I'm praying for you.
	I'm like, huh?
	Growing up Catholic, it didn't happen so much.
	And I'm more of a non-denominational Christian today.
	Michael W. Smith has done the same thing.
	And I'll tell you, another person that did it is then Vice President Mike Pence.
	It's all over the news for something and having a crappy day.
	And he calls me, just says, Karen and I are praying for you.
	And I'm like, you know, that kind of, to take time as a vice president and a, you know, second lady of our country to make that call to, you know, a talk show host, it was very impactful to me.
	So their faith is real, and they live it out every day.
	And I've always known that about both Mike Pence and Karen Pence.
	And Karen is joining us now.
	She wrote a new book.
	It's called, When It's Your Turn to Serve, Experiencing God's Grace in His Calling for Your Life.
	And I mean, it's one of those books that really, you know, gives you strength as we all, all of us are challenged in life.
	All of us face difficulties in life.
	All of us, there's nobody that goes through this life, I say it all the time, unscathed.
	And I think that's the way God designed it.
	That's my own personal belief.
	And anyway, Karen Pence joins us now.
	I hope this becomes a bestseller.
	It's When It's Your Turn to Serve, Experiencing God's Grace in His Calling for Your Life.
	It's on Amazon.com.
	We're putting it up on Hannity.com now and bookstores around the country.
	How are you?
	Great to have you on.
	It's great to be on, Sean.
	Thanks for talking about the book because, you know, as you were leading into this interview, I wanted the book to be an encouragement to the reader.
	I mean, that's, I feel like my gift is an encourager.
	And I wanted the reader to hear some of the behind-the-scenes stories, some of the great things that I got to do as First Lady of Indiana and Second Lady of the United States, but to see it as maybe something to encourage them in their own walk, in their own opportunities to serve, to go ahead and step out.
	And if God is calling you to something, he's going to give you that grace to carry you through.
	And one of the verses I talk about is in Jonah.
	You know, those that cling to worthless idols forfeit the grace that could be theirs.
	And he showed me grace all the way through our political career.
	Even now, I feel like he's calling us to step up to serve one more time.
	And there's a joy and there's a peace in answering his call.
	You know, it's never easy being in the public eye.
	It just isn't.
	But you rightly point out in the book that life is full of these unexpected obstacles.
	I mean, I feel like every day I am dodging left, I'm dodging right, you know, whatever the challenge of the day is.
	And I would say this, if two things I believe have kept me halfway grounded, I don't want to say I'm grounded, but it's really been really good for me in my life.
	One was the fact that I worked 20 years in either the restaurant business or the construction business.
	And the second thing is, or maybe it's really should be the first one, is my belief in God and the fact that I have a conscience that convicts me.
	I know darn well what I'm doing wrong, Karen.
	Well, and one thing I just, I wanted the reader to feel like, you know, it doesn't have to be serving as Second Lady of the United States.
	God might just be calling you to reach out to a neighbor.
	He might be calling you to, you know, serve on the PTA at school or maybe a neighborhood organizational opportunity to set up a block party or something.
	I mean, I try and say in the book, you know, God sometimes has used me in mighty ways and sometimes in not so mighty ways.
	But each time he calls us to serve him, that if we step up, he gives us that grace.
	And so many things I would have missed if I hadn't been willing to take that risk and to step out and to answer his call.
	And in the book, I just, the book, I got to tell you, Sean, the book is very uplifting.
	It's very encouraging.
	It's meant to be a book that you, it's a light read.
	It's got interesting behind-the-scenes stories, tells about art therapy and military spouses.
	I do weave honeybees all the way through the book because I had the privilege of starting a beehive at the governor's residence and at the vice president's residence.
	And so I love to kind of weave in little facts about the bees and stories about visiting bees all over the world just throughout the book.
	So it's very uplifting and just inspiring kind of book.
	You know, it's amazing.
	Did you get stung a lot?
	Never, never.
	It's amazing.
	But, you know, there actually is, especially if you have allergies like I do, let me tell you, when you take local honey, it really is helpful.
	But, you know, like I just think of the moment that I mentioned, you know, here you are, you know, your husband's the vice president of the United States, you know, former first lady of Indiana, second lady of the United States.
	You guys are busy.
	You know, you really had no business taking the time to call a talk show host because you thought he was having a really bad day.
	And I was, by the way, but, you know, I just, that kind of kindness just means a lot to me.
	And I try to do it to others.
	If I know somebody, what if they got a cancer diagnosis or they lost a loved one?
	I always will find time that day to try and reach out to those people.
	And it's those little nudgings that I kind of talk about.
	You know, when the Holy Spirit kind of nudges you to, okay, yes, you're a very busy person.
	You maybe need to be going over here and doing this right now.
	But take five minutes, give Sean Hannity a call.
	You know, just encourage him today.
	And it's those kind of things that I just encourage the reader to listen and take a moment and hear his calling.
	The funny thing is, you mentioned the bees.
	If your publisher put out a piece of paper on your new book that I read, and it does crack me up.
	Yeah, Karen Pence would much rather talk about beekeeping than politics.
	And by the way, I don't blame you because politics is one ugly, dark business.
	Well, we're having a lot of fun on the campaign trail, I have to tell you.
	I mean, people are wonderful, especially right now.
	The people in Iowa and New Hampshire have just been.
	By the way, some of them are not so wonderful.
	You're being way too kind.
	Oh, that's okay, though.
	I mean, people who protest or say things, that's what freedom looks like, Sean.
	I mean, that's what we're trying to preserve in our country.
	You know, we're trying to preserve those freedoms that our country was founded on.
	So we actually are having, Mike and I are having so much fun.
	Well, I know, and let me tell you, it's not easy to be in the political arena.
	It's a hard life.
	It really is.
	And you guys have both, you know, I love your personal story.
	You guys have set up, you know, I know Governor Pence never has meetings alone, for example, with women, correct?
	Right.
	Yes.
	Because he doesn't want the appearance of impropriety.
	That's something Billy Graham did his whole life.
	To protect the women as well.
	So, you know, people hear that story and they think, oh, oh, my goodness.
	But they don't understand that Mike has so many women always on his staff.
	He had a woman as his lieutenant governor when he was governor.
	And it's also a protection for the women.
	So it's kind of a two-pronged thing for him.
	But, you know, honestly, though, it's just what I'm saying in the book.
	When you are answering that call, as hard as politics is, there is a peace, Sean, that you have when you feel like, okay, this is where I'm supposed to be for right now.
	And right now, we're supposed to be on the campaign trail.
	So, can I put a little plug in, mikepence2024.com?
	Of course, no problem.
	Well, I urge people to get the book.
	We'll put a link on Hannity.com.
	And obviously, it's on Amazon.com, now in bookstores around the country.
	And, you know, people do need hope.
	This is a really hard time for a lot of families, and it breaks my heart because I've been there.
	I've lived paycheck to paycheck for far many years in my early adult life.
	I didn't love it.
	When it's your turn to serve, experiencing God's grace in his calling for your life, I wish you the best with that.
	Think the world of you both.
	I think you're both crazy to stay in politics.
	However, I admire everybody stepping up and being willing to serve, and that's what it is.
	It's service.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	And yeah, by the way, and you have a son in the military.
	Pray for him, too.
	We do, a son and a son-in-law, both pilots, one in the Navy, one in the Marine Corps.
	Yep.
	Amazing people.
	And we owe so much to them, and we don't give enough thought to what they do to protect us every day.
	Karen, great to talk to you.
	Karen Pence, thank you.
	Thanks, Sean.
	We'll see you soon.
	See you soon on the campaign trail, I'm sure.
	Great to see you the other night.
	800-941-Sean, our number.
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	Jeff in Arizona.
	What's up, Jeff?
	I know it's a dry heat, you say, in the summertime.
	It's insufferable heat in the summertime.
	I can't breathe when I'm out there in the summertime.
	130 degrees.
	Jeez.
	It's starting to pass, Sean, so I'm grateful for that.
	Man, that's rough.
	I remember doing an event with J.D. Hayward.
	Oh, it's the dry heat.
	I'm like, I can't breathe a dry heat.
	You have an oxygen tank or what?
	No, I don't have any of that.
	What's on your mind?
	If I may comment, your own expression of faith is extremely powerful.
	And I hope you do that a little more frequently than you do.
	Your interview with Mrs. Pence was terrific.
	And I just love that.
	So my main reason for calling was about the program the other night regarding the, you know, the interviews with the various people who are campaigning for president.
	Let me make the first comment is, I think that the behavior that was exhibited by several of them was substantially less than presidential and certainly almost not adult.
	So I was very disappointed in that.
	My main reason for calling was about your interview with Gavin Pence.
	Gavin Newsom, yeah.
	You mean the one in the debate or what?
	No, the one that happened after the debate.
	Okay, yeah.
	What about it?
	Comment is this.
	You have extraordinary patience for letting people, whatever their ilk, express their own views, and you are very careful to give them wide berths.
	My only comment is, is it appropriate for some of these interviews that you do when they should be getting six or seven Pinocchios because of the extraordinary length that people jimmy the facts that they're trying, that you may be able to find the numbers that will, you know, support what they're trying to say, but they are such an extreme sort of exaggeration of the facts or perversion of the facts, shall I say.
	Yeah, I hear what you're saying.
	I'm just looking at the clock.
	My only quick response is, remember, people watching are smart.
	And I kept challenging him on the things he was saying, too, but at the end of the day, they get it.
	They do.
	All right, that's going to wrap things up for today.
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