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Jay Sekulow - September 5th, Hour 2
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So as we now head into, you know, post-Labor Day, year before presidential election, more and more people will begin to pay attention seriously to what's going on.
Now we're all aware of the indictments of Donald Trump.
We're also aware of the polls that most Democrats of a majority of them think that Joe Biden is too old, feeble, uh out of it to be president.
Um and I guess that the Democratic uh hit machine, the squad machine, doesn't have a lot of confidence in Joe, uh, because now they has there has been a real push to use the 14th amendment of our constitution as a means of disqualifying Donald Trump from being on the ballot in 2024, so much for letting the people decide, right?
Uh but anyway, this is supposedly, if you believe the mob, the media, it's supposedly gaining steam, yet it is dubious, it is dangerous in terms of any real legal constitutional argument.
Uh when I was away last Thursday, Jay and Jordan Seculo were filling in for me, and President Trump was a guest on the program, and he spoke about this, and uh anyway, here's a part of what he said.
He said the four indictments are Biden indictments.
He said Biden is coordinating the indictments.
Well, they're only coming after because number one, I'm running, and number two, I'm leading by a lot, including Biden.
We just had a poll come out where leading him by ten points in one poll, which who wouldn't lead him.
I think a child would be leading him so bad.
He's the worst president we've ever had, he's the most corrupt president.
And you know, when you mentioned the four indictments, they're uh they're Biden indictments.
They're not indictments, they're Biden indictments.
These are Biden indictments.
There's never been anything like it.
It's a third world banana republic.
Uh that's what we've been reduced to with between the open borders and the crooked elections.
So uh, you know, I always say to people, don't these aren't indictments, these are Biden indictments.
They set it up.
Uh and beyond that, you have the district attorney who's totally controlled in New York, who's totally controlled by the DOJ, which is the Biden's group.
And you have in uh Florida, you have a you have a district attorney who is totally controlled again by Biden's group.
These are all Biden, so it's like many uh indictments and you know, the word at the Wharton School of Finance, I never studied it, but I got a lot of them quickly.
But these are done by the political opponent.
These aren't legitimate indictments.
They also offer judgeships to lawyers representing clients.
Can you imagine that?
If you'll say something bad about Donald Trump, they offered a judgeship to a very respected lawyer, highly respected, and he was incensed when he heard it.
Uh if his client would uh go and say negative things, anything negative about Donald Trump.
How about that one?
And that's Jay Bratt that did that.
It's a disgrace what's going on.
Our country is going to hell.
We're like a failing nation.
We are truly a failing nation.
And we're going to get it straight now, Jay.
That's why I do this.
All right, joining us now.
Uh he was uh doing the interview with President Trump along with his son Jordan.
He is the chief counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice.
Uh also my own personal attorney, which I'm very proud to say, considering he's won a whopping like twenty-two Supreme Court cases or had a hand in at least that many.
Uh Jay Seculow, uh, welcome back to the program, sir.
Sean, thanks for having me.
You know, this whole idea of disqualifying Donald Trump from being on the ballot based on Article Amendment 14, the 14th Amendment, Section 3, which says no person, having been a senator, representative, or president, should be allowed to hold office as if they've previously taken the oath, if it's been determined that they were involved in either an insurrection or rebellion against the United States.
That was aimed at the Confederates during the Civil War period.
So what you have here is this open-ended question of, well, if somebody's merely accused of this, which by the way, legally he has not been yet.
I mean, that wait stop right there, because that's a very important distinction.
That that is not what the DC case is about.
Everyone everybody thought and assumed that that was going to be where the charges went, but they did not, did they?
They did not.
Now there is a word out that it is possible that in the next two weeks we could see a superseding indictment that does have that.
So as it stands right now, we do not.
And the idea that you could be disqualified prior to a final adjudication is outrageous.
It would in fact violate the Fifth Amendment's due process clause.
So the sense is that these lawyers that are coming up with this idea of uh presidential disqualification for Donald Trump based on insurrection rebellion are way off base.
And I I think legally they have no chance.
What about there was a uh theory put forward, obviously an MBC commentator, but putting all of that aside, that the Supreme Court would likely rule on this sooner rather than later.
Do you agree with that?
Because you have a number of states now investigating.
For example, the state of New Hampshire uh is is asking their own state uh attorney general to weigh in on whether or not this is a possibility.
To initiate the action, some state agency or Secretary of State would have to remove him from the ballot, and then you would go in and challenge that, saying that that is not a proper adjudication.
Thus the 14th Amendment section three is not implicated.
That's how it would be handled.
All right, so the w uh to walk us through the process, assuming that these states attorney generals or there's a a move afoot in some states to make this happen.
Walk us through the the court process.
How does that gonna evolve?
Well, it would be uh the request would be made to be put on the ballot by the uh campaign, and the Secretary of State would say no, based on our determination under Article uh the 14th Amendment, Article Section Three, you are disqualified from running for president,
at which time the Trump campaign uh would hire really good constitutional lawyers, which I'm sure would immediately go into federal court and saying there has not been either an adjudic a charge, an allegation, certainly not an adjudication, and certainly not a final adjudication of culpability for insurrection or rebellion, thus he must be admitted onto the ballot.
That's how it will play out.
Let's talk about let's you know, let's ask you get your p political analysis on this.
Why are they at this strategy knowing that they have four separate indictments?
They they've got the New York Alvin Bragg case, they got the DC case on January 6th, uh, they've got the Georgia case in Fulton County, Georgia, and then they got the case down in Florida, the document case.
Uh and I I don't know if it's possible or feasible to have four trials in a year, and then more if you consider civil uh suits that the president is involved in.
I mean, is he gonna spend an entire election year in a in a court?
Uh how does one run for president under those circumstances?
And uh, and the evidence showed them that simply indicting Trump is affecting his uh ability to be the leader of the Republican Party and the leading candidate for president.
And and nothing that they've been able to do legally so far, which includes four indictments and a civil suit, has been able to produce the fruit of what they want.
So they up it the next level with either trying to get a conviction prior to the election or trying to rather stretch Article uh 14th Amendment disqualification clause argument or Article uh 14th Amendment section three.
And I just don't see it.
But we you know, we've got to be as lawyers very aggressive on this stuff in defending this because they could do this to Donald Trump, they could do this to any presidential candidate.
You mentioned the possibility of superseding indictments, uh subsequent indictments.
That would be what happened down in Florida, And and I would assume that that this could happen in Washington or happen in any one of these other places.
Now, first thing I would argue, Jay, is in terms of venue, you know, when five plus percent of the population of DC voted for Donald J. Trump, I don't I don't particularly think the jury pool is fair to Donald Trump or any Republican or any conservative.
I'd argue with twelve percent of the vote going to Donald Trump in New York City, not exactly Republican friendly territory either.
Uh Fulton County, okay, a little bit higher at I believe twenty-four percent.
Do you believe that the president can get fair trials in those jurisdictions?
No, I don't, but I also don't believe that that will be a successful basis for removal.
I agree with that too, and nor do I think that any motion to uh change a venue would would would be not the case.
Do you think in federal court in Georgia, where then you not just have Fulton County, but you have Rome and all the northern counties, and as you know, you live there, I lived there for a while, you live there for a while.
Those counties are conservative.
Well, I mean, that's the argument that Mark Meadows has been making that that this should be a federal indictment, because this was all during his charge and duties as as the president's chief of staff.
Uh and I don't know if I I think the arguments are strong from my perspective.
You're the constitutional attorney.
What do you think?
Well, it's not that it it becomes a federal indictment.
It's still a state court indictment tried in a federal court.
I argued in Trump versus Van that the president in ex expanding his duties as president, and if he's brought in a state court proceeding, he can go to the federal court.
And the Supreme Court in Trump versus Van nine to zero ruled in our favor on that.
So the president I just argued twenty four months ago will serve the president well in going to federal court.
Now there's written both, by the way, and there's no panacea here.
There's no I can argue stay and stay, go to federal, but I I understand why they want to go to federal court, and I think that's where it's gonna end up.
You see, this is not your first rodeo, because we had the conviction and and it had to do with the same special pro uh special counsel in this case appointed uh against Donald Trump by by Merrick Garland, uh, but they got a eleven count conviction of former Governor McDonald,
um, three years later, or about three years later, and you were involved in the appeal to the US Supreme Court, all of those all of those guilty verdicts were vacated, uh, in large part because of your legal skills, but more importantly, it just didn't meet the standard and to get a unanimous decision, I believe it was 8-0 because one justice either recused or wasn't there, uh, but uh it was a unanimous verdict to vacate all of those convictions.
Now, here's the problem.
If Donald Trump were to face four trials in a election year, and he's more likely to do better on appeal for reasons that I think you and I both agree on that it's it's gonna be a a tough venue, New York City or DC or Fulton County, Georgia, then he could get a conviction he he could get a trial with a conviction in an election year and could get it vacated the year after.
How does that impact the American people and their confidence in our system?
Well, it's very bad for the system, but I will tell you this.
These you know, there's no final adjudication until the Supreme Court says there is.
So none of these cases are going to the Supreme Court by the time there's an election.
It's just not gonna happen.
So they're gonna try to rush some of these and early trials and some of these, but it's not gonna happen.
You don't think the trials will happen?
They may be to some of the defendants, but I don't think that's a Trump.
So in other words, you don't think any of these trials will take place in 2024.
And remember the first attempt in the DC case, correct me if I'm wrong, I believe they wanted to start that trial on January second.
That's that's butted up right against the Iowa caucus.
Uh then of course you had both Fulton County, Georgia, and now the new date in the DC case would be March fourth.
Well, the subsequent day, March fifth, happens to be one of the most important primary days for every candidate, and that would be Super Tuesday.
You know what you called it?
Election interference.
The guy won't be able to campaign for for at least a month while he's prepping with his lawyers.
That's what they should wait until after the election's over.
But there is a good argument that I think Trump makes too.
It took two and a half years for them to bring these charges.
Uh I would Imagine that, you know, he needs ample time to prepare, and doesn't a court have to, you know, look at the entire picture that this is not the only, you know, indictment that the presidential candidate of that presidential election year is facing when they when they put together a calendar, or is that not not factored in at all?
They have no choice but to do that, Sean.
In my view, I I see no way in the normal situation that these cases would go to trial before the election.
But this is not any case.
And these prosecutors and these judges want these cases to go.
So he's got a good legal team assembled now in Georgia.
Got a good team team assembled in in uh in New York, and he's got a good team assembled in DC.
So let's see how it plays out.
But the emotion practice is about to get very aggressive.
All right, quick break more with Jay Seculo on the other side.
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All right, Jay Seculo is with us.
Now for the 14th Amendment, four huge massive 91 charges, indictments uh from New York uh city to DC to Fulton County, Georgia, down to Florida.
That's not enough.
Now they want the 14th Amendment.
Uh yet there's been no conviction of of the reason they want to disqualify Donald Trump from even being on the ballot.
Anyway, Jay Seculo, chief counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice, continues to weigh in on this.
Let me ask one final question, and that's about equal justice and equal application of our laws.
We know Hillary Clinton, top secret, classified information on servers.
Uh we know 33,000 deleted emails.
Sounds awfully similar to the document case down in Marilago where they had a raid.
Chappaqua was not raided, her office was not raided.
Then you got Joe Biden, four separate locations.
Top secret, classified information.
Uh none of those locations were rated.
A special counsel's been appointed.
We haven't heard boo out of this guy the entire time while all these other indictments against Trump are going on.
What are people to conclude?
That there's a two-tier system of justice, and the Department of Justice has been weaponized, and it's run by an incompetent attorney general who doesn't have the backbone to do what's right.
That's what.
What would Wright be?
We've got 18 cases against the fine administration, many of which involved the Department of Justice.
And we're representing those whistleblowers now, too.
All right, Jay Seculo, Chief Counsel, American Center for Law and Justice.
What's your website, by the way?
ATLJ dot org.
ATLJ dot org.
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So a couple of days off for Labor Day, and you know, and lo and behold, nothing has changed at our wide open borders.
Well, the only thing that has changed is now all the sanctuary cities and state champions want nothing to do with their sanctuary city or state status.
You know, a lot of you know it's amazing.
The New York Post had an article.
Now families are flocking to the border.
It's now an all-time high.
It's never been higher in the history of this country.
At the end of his third year as president, we'll probably will be near eight million or over eight million illegal immigrants that Joe Biden has aided and abetted and assisted in law breaking and not respecting our laws, our borders, our sovereignty into this country.
But if you listen to Karine Jean Pierre, the president has done more to secure the border and to deal with the issue of immigration than anybody else ever in history, really.
Because now you've got all these blue states, all the sanctuary cities and states.
Yeah, they're uh they're pretty pissed off.
New York, Boston, Chicago, you know, all these humanitarians calling it a humanitarian crisis.
Uh business leaders, lawmakers at levels of government democrats saying that this has got to stop.
Well, how do we get here?
Because, well, it they they've been aiding and abetting in uh in the law breaking as well.
You know, to listen to, you know, New York City mayor Eric Adams or New York Governor Hochel publicly feuding this week.
Adams demanding other parts of the state.
And by the way, DC says, well, just send them to Long Island, send them uh to upstate New York.
No, well, your twelve billion dollar estimated cost disaster is on you.
New York City just wrote a check.
Thirty-five million dollars uh for hotel rooms that that they paid for illegal immigrants.
The city's Department of Homelessness, 26.4 million to the volunteers of America to aid migrants, uh, i.e.
illegal immigrants in the Paul Hotel in Midtown.
Another nine point four eight million to the Lutheran Social Services of Metropolitan New York, which has been hosting illegal immigrants at the Fairfield Inn in Long Island City, New York.
Uh five point two billion dollars racked up in New York City alone, just dealing with the the cost and burden of illegal immigrants in New York.
Biden's White House their answers, well, just ship them to Long Island now and ship them to upstate New York.
Oh, okay, there's an answer.
A Venezuelan national, by the way, that arrived in the sanctuary city of New York City, yeah, two months prior, has now been arrested six times for fourteen different crimes, and uh nearly all of which are violent.
New York Post reporting, twenty-nine-year-old Daniel Hernandez Martinez of Venezuela, arrives in New York.
The very next day he robs a Costco in Brooklyn, New York, then charged with petty larceny, and because of bail reform, he was released and put from police custody, didn't have to pay a penny in bail.
Well, the following week he robs a Dwayne Reed drugstore in Columbus Circle in New York, then sought to stab a security guard with a large knife while trying to shoplift at a different Dwayne Reed location.
He likes Dwayne Reed, apparently.
Then he attacks an independent journalist, fifty-two-year-old guy who just wrapped up interviewing him for social media accounts.
Less than a month later, he's arrested for allegedly attacking a woman whom he did not know, grabbing her by the hair, dragging her across the ground, kicking her, smashing her cell phone.
He's charged with assault, criminal mischief, possession of a weapon, menacing, guess what?
Release from jail.
And forty-one illegal uh immigrants arrested at a New York City migrant hotel in the last four months, all for crimes.
Well, is any of this surprise you?
Los Angeles, Texas, has sent their tenth bus to Los Angeles, and the city now is seeking legal action.
I thought they were, I thought this was a sanctuary state.
And they were a sanctuary city.
Well, they should welcome them.
Let their taxpayers pay for it.
In the end, we're all gonna pay for it.
It's unbelievable.
Let me play uh Eric Adams, the mayor of New York, blaming this on the GOP and the White House, not his invitation.
Listen.
It is not about the silence seekers and migrants.
All of us came from somewhere to pursue the American dream.
It is the irresponsibility of the Republican Party in Washington for refusing to do real immigration reform, and it's the irresponsibility of the White House for not uh addressing this problem.
Brownsville, Texas, El Paso, Denver, Los Angeles, uh, New York, Chicago, we should not be burdening the weight of this problem.
Really?
Because why didn't you go down to the border when Governor Abbott invited you?
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Larry Louisiana, what's up, Larry?
How are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Greetings to you.
So I've just been pondering a thought.
So everything for the most part that President Trump has been charged with was the that was why he was sitting president.
Sitting presidents are supposed to have immunity from certain things.
Well, they they you can't charge a sitting president with a crime.
That you can't do, and then there's a means of extricating yourself of that president, and that's a process, a constitutional process known as impeachment.
Correct.
But while you're a sitting president and you do things, then if you want to come back and charge him with something, which they've opened Pandora's box and have let the cat out of the bag.
So what's going to prevent if this goes forward with these uh court cases and he gets convicted?
What's the keep somebody from saying, you know what?
My uh my loved one was in the army and uh he lived in Little Rock, Arkansas, and he went over to Benghazi under Obama and he got killed, and Hillary Clinton didn't do anything.
It was their negligence that got him killed.
So let's see, I'm the state prosecutor or Little Rock, Arkansas District Attorney, I'm gonna charge them with negligent homicide, even though they were sitting president at the time.
Where does it stop?
Where does that line go?
Well, I mean, if you if you're asking whether we're crossing into banana republic territory, the answer is yes.
So I guess you know, there's absolutely no limit to where what analogy you can bring up regarding this.
So I I hear what you're saying, but do I think any of that's gonna happen?
No.
I look uh all I really am looking for as it relates to the investigation into the Biden family syndicate or enterprise, if you like the Fulton County version of a RICO statute or their definition of one, is I want the American public to have no ambiguity at all.
I want them to know every fact that we uncover as it relates to the Biden family about their bank accounts, their shell corporations, how many family members got paid, what countries they did business with, how much money did they do in business, and how much did they all profit, and what did Joe do to facilitate a lot of these deals that his zero experienced son was putting together uh while he was an admitted addict at the time.
That's what I want the American people to fully Understand.
What did he do to deserve money in China and Russia and Kazakhstan and Ukraine and Romania and Mexico?
Because once the American people hear that, you know, forget about a document issue that Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton had the same problem with.
Forget about January 6th, which has been litigated now to death.
Forget about all of these issues they're going after Trump on.
I think if the American people really believe strongly that the evidence is strong enough to suggest at the end of the day that he was involved in in what is nothing short of an influence pedaling potential bribery allegation and money laundering allegation, uh, let me tell you, it's it's gonna change the entire dynamic of the 2024 presidential race, in my view.
Do you agree or disagree?
I agree, and I would just like to f finish up by saying that I don't think when a person does something while they're the sitting president, state and local courts should not have jurisdiction over it.
If anything, though he's no longer president, the United States Supreme Court could should be hearing these cases because he was the chief executive officer of the whole country, and therefore the United States Supreme Court, the other executive uh the uh judicial branch of the government should be the one hearing these cases and not these um uh these local courts that have agendas.
They will only take it if they're forced to take it and they don't want to take it.
That is my guess.
You know, and and they're gonna let the system play out.
You know, one of the first questions, if you ever listen to you know, arguments in a Supreme Court, why are you here?
Why are you in our jurisdiction?
How did you get here?
What are the issues?
What are the constitutional issues before us?
Those are the questions they're gonna ask.
I think you're right, by the way, generally speaking, that these are issues that should be ultimately decided once and for all by the Supreme Court, but we'll see.
Um, you know, I'm not holding out a lot of hope for it.
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Joe in South Carolina.
What's up, Joe?
How are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Hey, Sean, great talking to you from Bolly's Island, South Carolina.
Ah, no the place, folks.
What's going on?
Oh, well, I want to uh weigh in on the sh the firing of Victor Shogun and and that the video of uh Biden where he you know says uh son of a bee, they've you know they fired him within six hours.
But in that video, Biden also said is says that they accused him, they said, Hey, you don't have that authority, you're not the president.
And Biden says, uh, go ask him.
So wait a minute, why haven't we subpoenaed Obama or James Comer or Jim Jordan to Obama to find out if he actually gave authority to Biden to withhold a billion dollars?
If he didn't give that authority, then Biden lied about that.
If he did give this authority, then we need some answers as to whether or not Obama is a co-conspirator.
So I I really need to address this because you and many other people have brought this point up.
Um it is the only moment example implication of Obama, and I'm being fair here.
I'm just based on what I know, and as you know, we're pretty deep in the weeds of all of this.
Remember, in October of that year, 2015, interagency, you know, conclusion was that there had been enough progress on the issue of corruption regarding Ukraine that they it was Obama administration policy to give them the billion dollars.
That was not Joe's decision.
That had been made before he went there five days after he spoke to Barisma executives and his son when they were in desperate need of DC help because of of Victor Shokan, the prosecutor that he did get fired and leverage.
Now, uh, do I think it's a legitimate fair question to ask Obama?
Absolutely I do.
Did you give him the authority to go against what your own stated policy is?
Yeah, I would like I'm I think that that's worthy of an answer, but I have yet to find any other implication or evidence of any kind that Obama knew, but I think that you're asking a legitimate, fair, justifiable question.
Yeah, that's and that's right, and that's but the real reason of asking the question is is because we pretty much know the answer.
Obama didn't know anything about this.
This was Biden, the Biden crime family, using a billion dollars to get the prosecutor fired for the benefit of Hunter Biden and Brisma.
So the fact that you have that supported by Obama saying, No, I had nothing to do with it, then it raises the question, okay.
What was the motive of Biden to lie about him?
To to say ask him.
I'm holding this money.
Ask him.
He he said I I have the authority.
He might he might have been calling their bluff.
I don't know, but they had six hours and they needed a billion and loan guarantees.
But I it's definitely worthy.
You you and others, many people have brought that up.
My main focus is that he did it, bragged about it, and that his son at the because of that action, as the 1023 form, you know, detailed that the Biden family benefited financially.
They've they enriched themselves financially.
Anyway, good point, Joe South Carolina.
We appreciate it.
Uh, let us say hi to Tom in Pennsylvania.
What's up, Tom?
How are you?
Glad you called.
Hey, Sean, I just thanks for taking a call.
I just have a question that's been bothering me.
Why do we never see Joe Biden in the Oval Office?
I mean, he's not there a lot.
I mean, I'm not gonna, you know, uh, I went over this earlier in the program today, but uh, I think the numbers are pretty clear and they speak for themselves, and that is, you know, he's been out of the he's been on vacation three hundred and eighty-four days.
You know, he he makes this lame pathetic excuse about why he hasn't been to East Palestine, you know, just saying I haven't had the occasion to go there seven months later.
Really?
And meanwhile, since since that date, 215 days he's been on vacation.
Well, that town is still suffering dramatically.
I had J D. Vance on last week talking about.
Well, yeah, because my question is that every other president I've ever seen, uh uh he signs whatever in Oval Office, he addresses America from the Oval Office.
This guy, I see him in a hallway or in a uh uh a podium.
I'm just wondering if somebody else using the office.
I mean, is Hunter maybe showing his artwork out of the office now?
Is that why Joe's not there?
Uh they keep Joe as far away from cameras and microphones as humanly possible.
And by the way, it's even gonna get more strict uh once 2024 gets here.
Mark my words.
Anyway, good point.
800-941 Sean, if you want to be a part of the program.
Oh, Dr. Fauci on his flip-flopping mask positions.
Uh, it even got more flippy and floppy over the weekend.
I'm sure driving Linda up a wall, but we'll get to that in the next hour.
Listen, I want to remind you about home title theft.
Um, all right, do who do you open junk mail, Linda?
You don't open junk.
Nobody opens junk mail.
Anyway, there's a story, if you can Google it, of a mom that was receiving all this junk mail about mortgages, and like most of us just threw it straight in the trash.
One day she just opened it.
And it's kind of lucky she did because a total stranger she discovered was now the legal owner of her family home.
And our friends at Home Title Lock.com, they've already shown us here on the Hannity Show how quickly these thieves can steal your property, your number one investment, and transfer your home title into their name.
They can do it in five to six minutes.
It just takes minutes to steal.
It can take months, even years, you know, to get this undone if you're even capable of doing it.
Anyway, that's what Home Title Lock.com is all about.
They monitor the largest database of property records in the U.S. 24-7.
And if you're protected by them, they will alert you the second anyone tries to mess with your home title.
And home title lock's team of restoration specialists, by the way, they will act fast if somebody is trying to steal your home.
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They'll start you with a free title scan, verify that your home is still in your name and you're not already a victim.
Just go to Home Titolock.com, promo code Sean, that's S-E-A-M.
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