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Who Won the Debate? - August 24th, Hour 3
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Well, Chris Christie got a really warm welcome at the debate last night.
I'm sure you were shocked at this reaction.
Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie.
South Carolina Senator Tim Scott.
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It doesn't change the truth.
It doesn't change the truth.
Mr. Otto Songi, you raise your hand.
You sit here and an answer.
You sit here and an answer right on time.
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All right, it got pretty interesting.
I think one of the more heated exchange, interesting at the same time, was Vivek Ramaswamy telling Mike Pence it's not morning in America and we live in a dark moment.
I don't disagree with that statement at all.
I think we are a nation in decline.
That was the first answer that Ron DeSantis had given.
And then Mike Pence turning around Vivek saying, yeah, it's not time for on-the-job training.
We don't need a rookie.
Ouch.
Listen.
We're in the middle of a national identity crisis.
And I say this as a member of my generation.
The problem in our country right now, the reason we have that mental health epidemic, is that people are so hungry for purpose and meaning at a time when family, faith, patriotism, hard work have all disappeared.
What we really need is a tonal reset from the top, saying that this is what it means to be an American.
Yes, we will stand for the rule of law.
Yes, we will close the southern border where criminals are coming in every day.
And yes, we will back law enforcement because we remember who we really are.
And that's also how we address that mental health epidemic in the next generation that is directly leading to violent crime.
We're not looking for a new national identity.
The American people are the most faith-filled, freedom-loving, idealistic, hardworking people the world has ever known.
We just need government as good as our people.
Mike, I think the difference is you might have some others that like you may have on the stage.
It's Morning in America speech.
It is not morning in America.
We live in a dark moment, and we have to confront the fact that we're in an internal sort of cold cultural civil war.
I'm not sure I exactly understood Mike Pence's comment, but I'll let you all parse that out.
For me, it's pretty simple.
That's something a U.S. president can do with focus, and I'll deliver on that.
Well, let me explain it to you.
Let me explain it to you, Luzette, if I can.
I'll go slower this time.
You know, I sometimes struggle with the reading colours.
I was a House conservative leader before it was cool.
I actually pushed the Deficit Reduction Act.
It was the last time we actually reduced the national debt in the United States when I was the leader of House Conservatives.
I balanced budgets and cut taxes when I was governor.
I mean, look, Joe Biden has weakened this country at home and abroad.
Now is not the time for on-the-job training.
We don't need to bring in a rookie.
We don't need to bring in people without experience.
All right, joining us now.
He's the CEO.
He's the co-founder of the Federalist and also an incredible investigative reporter in his own right.
Sean Davis is with us.
How are you, sir?
I'm great.
Thank you for having me.
It's always nice to be on with another Sean who spells his name correctly.
You know, it's amazing how many Seans don't spell their name.
Oh, you spell it the wrong way.
What do you want me to do?
Great to have you.
I hope everything is going well.
Well, first, let's get your take on last night's debate.
Yeah, it was interesting.
I think mostly for who wasn't there, which was the frontrunner, Trump.
He's up by, I think, 30, 40 points, depending on which poll you look at.
And to me, what last night felt like was the VP debate.
It kind of felt like the minor league debate for who gets to move up to the big leagues next.
And I think it was important to have.
I think we learned a lot about what a lot of these people thought.
But it just, to me, didn't have that aura, that buzz, that energy of a big, major debate where you got all the major players there.
All right.
Let's talk next about, all right, so we'll have arrayment number four, indictment number four has come down already as it relates to Donald Trump.
Now, he is, I keep saying the same thing.
He's defied all conventional political patterns, wisdom that one would think.
If you have a candidate that gets arrested, is involved in any type of, quote, scandal or arrest of any kind, that usually would result in their poll numbers going down.
We have just the opposite happening here.
And that is that Donald Trump's poll numbers keep going up and they don't stop.
Analyze that for me.
Tell me why that's happening.
Yeah, it's such a good question and such a good point.
He's defying all the rules of political gravity.
He should be dead in the water by now.
And I think the reason people are drawn to him is they see that there's two tiers of justice in this country.
There's a system where if you're a Democrat, if you're on the left, if you have the right friends in Washington, you can do anything.
You can burn down police stations and you can riot and you can attack cops and you'll be fine.
But if you're a Republican, if you give legal advice that someone doesn't like, they're going to come after you.
If you have a foreign policy that the ruling party doesn't like, they're going to come indict you.
And I think everyone in America feels that.
We all feel like things are kind of unfair that we don't have a rule of law.
And they look at this guy and like, you know what?
He actually knows how I feel like because they're doing it to him just like they do to the rest of us.
And oddly enough, I think people feel a kinship with that.
Like, hey, he actually knows what the problem is here because they're doing it to him just like they're doing it to me.
I think a lot of these trials aren't actually going to happen this year or next year.
If you take the Georgia indictment, for example, there are so many huge constitutional issues wrapped up in that.
Can a state or a city attorney go charge a federal official for federal duties in state court?
Generally, the federal law says no.
There's a process where you remove that trial to federal court and then they're going to try and get immunity there.
Then you got the Jack Smith classified documents thing where there's something like 5 or 10 or 20 million records that the defense hasn't gotten that they need to go through.
So I actually think we've got quite a while before we get to the true trial phase.
And it wouldn't surprise me if we don't get to any of these trials until after the election.
I don't know if it would be fair for any candidate, a top candidate for the political opposition party to be under trial in an election year, in a primary season or a general election season.
Oh, I completely agree.
And you kind of see what's happening in one of these D.C. cases.
The judge there is threatening to go after Trump for witness intimidation.
DOJ is trying to say he's breaking the law by commenting that, you know, I'm going to go after them if they come after me.
It's a total prior restraint on speech.
If you have people running for president, they kind of have a right to go and say what they want and campaign where they want.
And yet we have the whole DOJ, this Biden DOJ, trying to use all its power to effectively nuke Trump's campaign before it even gets started.
And it's completely inappropriate.
You'd think it's had an effect up to this point?
I don't think it has just yet.
And I actually think that's why they're getting increasingly hysterical, is that I think they thought the Alvin Bragg thing was going to take him out.
And then they thought the original Jack Smith thing was going to take him out.
Personally, I think they're sitting on another indictment for Jay 6 that they're going to wait to throw on the current one for when things get really, really bad for Hunter and Joe, and they'll just drop that one down too.
So where do you think that, Arizona?
No, I think it'll be federal superseding indictment, and they'll charge him with seditious conspiracy for J6.
Well, most people don't even know what a superseding indictment is.
For example, in the Florida case, the document case, they added three more charges after the initial indictment.
So you're saying that they would just stick with these four?
Because it was interesting when a Washington Post reporter said this might be one indictment too many.
In other words, there's going to be another indictment that breaks the camel's back.
And I think people would rightly conclude, guess what?
This is now persecution.
It's not prosecution.
And especially the more it gets into the political bloodstream of the American people that Joe Biden is up to his eyeballs in a bribery and money laundering scandal himself.
And when they get to know more about it, which has largely been ignored by the mainstream media to date, I think at some point this is going to break through.
I think we might have seen the first signs of that breaking through over the weekend with articles in the New York Times and Politico and the Washington Post.
Yeah, I think you're right.
I think the Georgia indictment is just so ridiculous.
I mean, they indicted him for sending a tweet telling people to watch television.
They're indicting Meadows for asking for the phone numbers of lawmakers for the president to talk to.
And it kind of reminds me of the different fake accusers that came out during the whole Kavanaugh circus.
Each additional one made the original one look more ridiculous.
And I kind of feel like we have that same dynamic with all these clown car of indictments coming from the left.
Yeah, I think so.
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All right, we continue now more with Sean Davis, CEO, co-founder of The Federalist.
As you look at Joe Biden, and everyone talks about the Republicans or Republicans, I'm wondering if a majority of his supporters in the mob and the media and a majority of his supporters in Congress, if they're not looking at his spectacular level of lying about never speaking to his son,
brother, anybody for that matter about foreign business deals, eventually now evolving into Joe was meeting with the foreign business partners.
You know, when the New York Times, you know, went forward with their article regarding this issue, I thought that was a tipping point moment.
I think the Washington Post, same thing, a tipping point moment.
I think Politico, same thing.
You know, tipping point moment.
They are now actively looking, investigating these issues.
Now, they're way behind where you are at the Federalist and where I am on my two shows.
However, is that a sign of maybe a preview of coming attractions from them?
It could be.
I think how this thing goes depends on House Republicans and how they handle this.
They've done a great job investigating, getting new facts.
But in my personal opinion, we're at the point where somebody's got to get impeached.
Somebody has to be held in contempt.
Well, the first thing is going to be the impeachment inquiry, which I'm pretty confident will happen after Labor Day, aren't you?
I have no idea.
I mean, they could go after Garland.
They could go after Weiss.
They could go after Biden.
I don't know who it's going to be.
I hope they go after all three of them.
But it is up to them to drive this investigation.
But that would give them more power because up to this point, I mean, the FBI has not been particularly cooperative.
The Treasury Department's not been particularly cooperative.
The White House has not been particularly cooperative.
And they have had to, you know, fight and scrape and, you know, threaten with subpoenas and contempt citations pretty much everybody to get what they wanted.
They're getting it.
They got the suspicious activity reports.
They got the 1023 form.
We know a lot more now as a result of it.
But look at the fight that they put up and try to prevent the American people from seeing it.
Right.
Well, the other big arrow they have in the quiver is the funding battle that's coming up.
There's going to be a fight over.
Well, we got a September 30th deadline coming up, Mr. Davis.
Exactly.
And I think they need to think long and hard about, you know what, if these guys keep this stuff up, they're not getting paid.
They're not getting their budget.
And that combined with impeachment, I think, is the key to breaking loose all this stuff that's going on with Hunter and Joe.
Yeah, pretty amazing.
Well, Republicans, should Republicans get religion knowing that, you know, what I would prefer as a voting system is Election Day be a national holiday.
I'd go back to paper ballots.
I would have partisan observers watching the vote, voting all day long when the polls closed, watch the vote counting all night long.
And then you declare a winner in every precinct and every state, and we all go home and we have confidence in the results.
But that's not the system we have.
Republicans have started an initiative, bank your vote.
I think similarly, they've got to get involved in the legal ballot harvesting efforts that the Democrats use.
And I don't see that happening yet.
Do you?
And again, it's not the system I want.
Agreed.
The ideal system is paper ballots and voter ID, and we count it all in one night and we're done, which, by the way, is how we used to run elections.
But I completely agree.
If Republicans want to exist as a party and if they want to win elections, they have to start playing the ballot harvesting game if we're going to be in a system where we don't get assessed the rules that we ideally would like.
And I think they're way behind the curve on it.
They need to be doing everything that the Democrats are doing because the country's future is at stake.
It's not a game here.
Whether we get to keep our country and whether it's morning or evening or whether the country's over, that's up to whether they can figure out the mechanics of winning elections.
And they need to get on it.
Yeah.
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All right, before we get to our busy bones, let's go and play some of the highlights of the Fox GOP primary debate.
It was fun being there.
I will say that part.
I enjoyed it.
I had a great time.
Anyway, let's play the highlights.
This decline is not inevitable.
It's a choice.
We need to send Joe Biden back to his basement and reverse American decline.
Joe Biden has weakened this country at home and abroad.
Now is not the time for on-the-job training.
We don't need to bring in a rookie.
We don't need to bring in people without experience.
And yes, they need to bring in the message.
Let us be honest as Republicans.
I'm the only person on the stage who isn't bought and paid for, so I can say this.
The climate change agenda is a hoax.
The climate change agenda is a hurt.
And we have to declare immediately.
I am unapologetically pro-life, not because the Republican Party tells me to be, but because my husband was adopted, and I had trouble having both of my children.
So I'm surrounded by blessings.
When it comes to a federal ban, let's be honest with the American people and say it will take 60 Senate votes.
It will take a majority of the House.
So in order to do that, let's find consensus.
To be honest with you, Nikki, you're my friend, but consensus is the opposite of leadership.
When the Supreme Court returned this question to the American people, they didn't just send it to the states only.
It's not a states-only issue.
It's a moral issue.
Don't make women feel like they have to decide on this issue when you know we don't have 60 Senate votes in the House.
70% of the American people support legislation.
I chose the Constitution, and I always will.
I had no right to overturn the election, and Kamala Harris will have no right to overturn the election when we beat them in 2024.
You make America less safe.
You have no foreign policy experience.
And it's shown.
And you know what?
Any one of them is a better debater than Joe.
And I want to say, Maisie, you know, my granddaughter is named Maisie something.
And by the way, come on, man.
The ground is hot.
Come on, man.
Joe, do you have a comment about the people in Hawaii and the Maui?
No.
Joe, are you going to be going to Maui?
Well, I didn't want to be a distraction for three weeks.
We have nearly a thousand people missing.
What an idiot.
Didn't you think it was a little odd?
See, these are the missed opportunities during the debate.
First of all, before I even do that, what was your favorite part of the debate?
Boy, I haven't even thought my favorite part.
Or like your top three.
I like the pacing of the debate.
I like the topic selection in the debate.
And it just was interesting because I think in each person that was up there that they all have something to offer.
Look, I stand by where I was at the beginning of the program.
If you ask me who did the best last night, who had the best night, I'd say Ramaswamy, DeSantis, and probably Nikki Helly in terms of actual debating.
I like Tim Scott.
I really like him a lot.
So I'm interested when he talks.
It was his first debate.
Handled himself well, no issues.
But standing out in a debate with seven other people on the stage is kind of hard to do.
I really didn't think three of the people there belonged there in the sense that I think Chris Christie is just a hitman for the liberal media mob and that's his future.
I think DeSantis nailed that.
And I think the same thing with Asa Hutchinson.
It's kind of like a joke.
That's not even worth mentioning.
He seemed like a nice guy, but the governor of North Dakota, nobody knows who he is.
Well, see, now, in my opinion, that's where the disruptor comes in, right?
So people like that, I'm okay with, right?
Because they don't have a background in business.
They have a background in employing people and knowing how to deal with day-to-day issues.
It's the biggest problem we have with most of the people on the stage is that they don't have a freaking clue about how to run anything.
They should be happy, from my point of view, that they had the opportunity without Donald Trump there.
Yeah, listen, they're in a race to be second.
Enjoy your moment in the sun.
Well, a race to be second, but in four years, let's say Donald Trump did become president again.
Okay.
Four years from now, they're going to be running.
Listen.
And by the way, this is Hawley and Tom Cotton and maybe Ted Cruz and maybe Christy Noam.
I love Christy Noam.
I would vote for Christy Noon.
I bet Brian Kemp wants to be president.
Oh, Brian Kemp.
Give me a brief.
I think Glenn Young will, if he doesn't jump in late this time, I think he's looking at it.
He doesn't.
But see, part of it is he doesn't.
I like what Yunkin does.
I don't like the way he says it.
He has no warmth.
You know what I mean?
Like, I'm sure he's a wonderful husband and father, but it does not come across.
I don't know.
I mean, what he pulled off, it's going to be very interesting because he's now, he's got a very minor majority of Republicans in the lower chamber in Virginia.
And they're down just by a slight margin in the Senate.
And he wants full control of both houses.
And he has, you know, put everything on the line and endorsed 10 senators, for example, in the hopes that he can flip the legislature in Virginia from blue to red.
The fact that he won by the margin he won by against the seasoned pro former governor of Virginia, Terry McAuliffe, he's no lightweight.
I'm telling you, I know Terry.
Right, but Terry lost because Terry went against the parents, and the parents were unified, in my opinion, against what was happening in Loudoun County.
And that took over, in my opinion, that was a big part of it.
And Republicans need to also learn on the issue.
Then it brings up the issue of abortion, and nobody wants to hear my advice.
You better have a position that is politically tenable.
And I distinguish between this being a political position.
And you might say, well, Hannity, you're telling people not to listen to their heart and their conscience and their soul.
And I'm saying, no, if you want political power, you can't take a Doug Mastriano and no exceptions for rape, incest, or the mother's life position, and expect to win.
You're not going to win.
I think you put too much weight on that issue.
I do not put that much weight on it.
You put a lot of weight on it.
Hold on a minute.
Hold on.
Wait a minute.
What Republican?
You've got a ton of weight on that.
You're telling me a person's going to make or break their election and their chances are not.
You think somebody, a Republican, can win statewide office statewide office with no exceptions for rape, incest, or the mother's life?
I don't.
I wouldn't argue that point.
What I would say is the way that you position your position is you make it about mandates.
You make it about vaccines.
You tie abortion into other issues dealing with the body.
I also think that you talk to people about the border and what's happening with their local taxes and mortgage rates.
No, this is a situation.
There are going to be suburban moms that are going to be single issue voters on this issue.
But let me interrupt you for a long time.
I'm not a mom in the suburbs.
I'm just going to give this to you.
Okay, you're hardly the average mom in the suburbs.
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure if you.
I agree with you.
I'm a city girl stuck with some grass.
I'm not absolutely every day.
Slow that down.
Yes.
A city girl stuck with me.
I got some grass.
I got somebody to mow it.
I have no idea.
Oh, what happened?
Oh, you gave up your grandma.
You used to brag about mow my lawn on high heels.
What happened to that?
First of all, I was in boots, not high heels.
I said I could do it in high heels if necessary.
Like Fred Astaire danced backwards.
Oh, my gosh.
I mean, what was it?
Ginger Rogers danced backwards and in heels and did everything that Fred Astaire did in flats going forward.
So, anyways, my point is, as I digress into my rabbit hole, that women in the suburbs.
Oh, forget about it.
Women in the suburbs, while they care about abortion, and I do care about abortion, I'm pro-life, but I am a pro-life person with exceptions of the life of the child, the life of the mother, and rape.
But it has to be early.
It has to be early and it has to be rare.
To your point yesterday.
Early, rare.
And I would say first trimester to 15 weeks seems to be the politically acceptable place where you're not going to lose people over that issue.
I agree.
And one more point to that is.
Why do we have this discussion if you're agreeing with everything?
You say it aggressively in a way, in my opinion, that seems to sound like, you know, not every Mastriano was a case onto his own.
There was very few people have their say in what Mastriano said.
And look at the net result of it.
The reason that Mastriano lost has nothing to do with abortion.
He lost.
Absolutely nothing.
You are so wrong.
I am 100% right.
It should not be anymore.
It has everything to do with the fact that Shapiro is a Soros-funded candidate, as is everyone in his camp.
Mastriano had a million.
And it's a game of odds.
Oz got double-digit ticket splitting in that race.
He killed the entire ticket.
Because of the messaging.
If you're going to sell abortion, you've got to sell it on the vaccine.
If Mastriano didn't have that position, Oz would have been senator.
Let me tell you something.
When I stand on the corner with the other moms waiting for the bust, none of them are conservative.
I'm going to tell you right now, stand out like a sore thumb and proud of it.
They probably say, there she is.
Oh, here she comes.
Here she comes.
Oh, here she comes.
We got to go now.
Yeah, exactly.
But I will tell you this.
When it came to the abortion issue, and I stood on the corner and I said to them, okay, the problem is this.
If somebody's not allowed to tell you what to do with your body, then why are you allowed to tell me what to do when it comes to the vaccine?
That's a good argument, but it's not sufficient.
2022 would have been a wave election year, but for Roe being overturned.
Negative.
And the positions of many of the candidates.
Nope.
You're missing reality.
I'm telling you, you're not living in reality.
I'm living in reality.
I'm living in the reality of the big, the big elephant in the room, colored green.
He looks like a $100 bill.
I'm telling you, the Benjamins were all about that election cycle.
Let me tell you.
Mississippi is where the Dobbs case came out of.
They came down to 15 weeks.
Now, every state is going to decide.
I am just telling you that if Republicans, if they take hard, if they put their feet in cement and they want to die on that hill, they will not win a statewide election in your state with grasses and everything.
I mean, how amazing.
The grass is beautiful in Pennsylvania.
My point is.
Beautiful.
I agree with you.
And I think that most people.
Why are you giving me a hard time and being a pain in my neck?
Because it's fun.
But also because of the fact that there is a way of getting that position across to explain it to most people where it seems more understandable for people that are not on our side anyway.
All right.
Let's say, Connie, California.
What's up, Connie?
How are you?
Hello.
I'm good.
How are you?
I'm good.
Glad you called.
Yes, I was calling about the GOP debate last night and who I liked.
Okay, I am listening.
But my concern is, is like, I liked a couple of them, but I still will vote for Trump.
But I think we have a mess on our hands because the RNC needs to do more as far as reaching people.
I deliver mail for a living and the last two elections, I see the Democrats, they mail flyers to both parties, Republican, Democrats.
And I think if we did that, the Republicans could maybe flip a big percentage of the people that see what's wrong with this country.
Well, I can only tell you that it's going to, here's the beauty of 2024, and it's also the scary part of 2024.
The beauty is, is we get a chance to right the ship and fix the country.
That's the beauty of it.
You know, getting there with all these hurdles now, for example, in Donald Trump's way, makes it that much harder.
All of it is by design.
We've now had two presidential elections.
FBI meeting with big tech in the weeks leading up to the 2020 election and warning them they may be victims of disinformation campaigns.
It may be about Hunter Biden.
It may be about Joe Biden.
Sure enough, they had already validated the authenticity of Hunter's laptop.
They knew it was real.
And when asked by Facebook and Twitter if it was authentic and real, they wouldn't answer.
And meanwhile, they were the ones feeding the, oh, you better be careful if it's information about Hunter or Joe.
That's interference to me.
And similarly, I think what they did by using the dirty dossier, not applying the law as it relates to top secret classified documents, deleting subpoenaed emails, destroying devices with Hillary, that also impacted that race.
You know, how many more elections are we going to have?
What is the future of America that we're going to have the deep state and corrupt figures in the upper echelon of the FBI and the DOJ weaponize our justice system to make it that much more difficult and more complicated for people, for Republicans to win?
That's a scary scenario in my mind.
Anyway, Connie, appreciate the call.
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