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Let it be a summer All right, Leonard Skinner's Simple Man.
That means only one thing on this radio program, and that means all things simple man, Bill O'Reilly, self-proclaimed simple man, all things Bill O'Reilly at BillO'Reilly.com.
Mr. O'Reilly, I'm going to shock you at the start of this discussion today.
How are you doing, first of all?
I'm the same, Hannity, which is tragic for everyone.
I'm sure it's tragic for your terror dog and your urch what do you call your children, your urchins.
Um I've never heard that line before.
So you're gonna be shocked.
I think I'll s I'll surprise you.
So I know you send out your Bill O'Reilly news of the day little thing, and you are actually for the first time that I've ever seen, really funny today.
Because you are gonna help Hunter with a resume.
Yeah, I mean, I listened on Bill O'Reilly.com message of the day, uh Hunter Biden's new resume because the judge, federal judge in Florida, ordered him to look for a job, and I wanted to help out Hunter because that's the guy kind of guy I am.
Um he has references from the state of Al Capone on a you know, the tax dodge thing.
They're very familiar with that.
Joe Biden and Merrick Garland have all written him letters of recommendation.
Um he does want a job where he actually has to show up.
Um and he wants to be paid in cash.
You know, we all understand that.
Um so there's a bunch of stuff listed uh in a satirical way, um, which I often do, Hannity.
I know, you know, I come across a bastard, but we got a lot of humor going on.
No, you definitely have mellowed in in your older age.
You you're you're you're a better Bill O'Reilly now than you've ever been.
And I'm I'm saying that as a compliment, not that you were bad.
I'm just saying that I like this Bill O'Reilly better than the old Bill O'Reilly.
Does that make sense?
You know, any improvement.
And by the way, you probably like the this Hannity versus the old Hannity.
That would be fair.
Yeah, I mean, look, um, way back, you know, I made fun of you, you made fun of me.
We always deal with uh we try to deal anyway with an element of humor in these very dark times.
It really is, isn't it, though?
I mean, now you now you go into the serious part of what I want to ask you.
So this now the third indictment of Donald J. Trump.
Um, with every previous indictment, his numbers have gone up.
I got an early look see at Insider Advantage.
They did a poll immediately after this indictment that took place, and the numbers are showing once again that there will be a significant increase in in the polling numbers of Donald Trump.
But it's bigger than that, Bill.
I mean, what what when you get to compare and contrast what we witnessed on Monday with Devin Archer and what we know was said in that deposition before the House Oversight Committee, and everything that Joe Biden had told this country was a lie, that he never one time spoke to his son Hunter or his brother or anybody for that matter.
He said it over and over again about their foreign business deals, which had only evolved in the last week and a half into, well, he never went into business with his son into now that he was an active participant, seemingly to close the deals, these these tens of millions of dollars in in monies that this family took in.
And Hunter, of course, didn't have any experience in oil, gas, energy.
And he writes that WhatsApp message and that WhatsApp message to a Chinese energy congrom conglomerate head, and within a week, five million dollars is wired.
Then you have the whole Barisma issue.
Uh Devin Archer testifies that they that Barisma executives in Dubai in December of 2015 were desperate to get this prosecutor off their back.
And sure enough, Joe Biden goes over to Ukraine, leverages a billion dollars, that gives him six hours to fire the prosecutor, son of a bee, they do it, and guess what?
Hunter continues to get paid.
And you juxtapose that to, okay, uh a document case in Mar-a-Lago that both Joe Biden and Hillary had.
Uh, then you juxtapose that to January 6th, and I thought this was a horribly written indictment yesterday, and I think uh even though i they'll get a guilty plea because of the venue, DC, uh a guilty not a guilty plea, but a guilty verdict, in my view.
And I'm wondering, you know, the state of the country, this criminalization of and weaponization of of political differences is getting very scary to me, Bill, and it's very serious.
Well, I think your listeners and viewers agree, but let's do a simple man analysis and stop me any time.
But I'm going to give you a bunch of punchy stuff that I believe is irrefutable.
Okay.
The first one is about the Biden family.
There's no question.
It is uh beyond any reasonable doubt that they were selling influence.
Now, it's not a crime unless there's a conspiracy attached to it to violate the circumvent the laws, and there may be here, because a lot of this money is not doesn't show up on anybody's tax returns.
Okay.
So no doubt, influence peddling scheme involving President Biden, who was then vice president, took place.
Okay, that's number one.
Number two, there is a baseline for an investigation that never took place.
And the baseline is Hunter Biden's laptop.
When he wrote uh an email to his daughter Naomi and said, I've been giving my father 50% of my income for 10 years.
That is a baseline.
That's where you start your investigation.
That may not be true.
As you pointed out, Hunter Biden's a crackhead or was irresponsible person all day long.
Um lies uh constantly.
So you can't say it's true, but he wrote it.
So then any honest investigative agency would start there.
All right.
This is what the man wrote.
Let's check it out.
That has not been done.
Instead, the White House and the Justice Department have an alliance.
And I told you this a couple of weeks ago.
The courier to that alliance is a woman named Fatima Graves, the wife of the U.S. attorney in DC right now, Matthew Griggs.
She's visited the Biden White House twenty-eight times.
Nobody has written that story and is absolutely in stone.
We uncovered it.
So when you start to put together the pieces of the puzzle that are irrefutable, you can see this is not going to turn out well for Joe Biden.
I th I I look at this now as a real bribery that Joe Biden, not Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, bribery scandal allegation, and these are very serious allegations.
But we but we have a lot of evidence already.
Now that we've been able to tie Joe Biden to the entire enterprise or the syndicate as I call it, and now that we know that Joe Biden was an active participant, not only, you know, he he lied on a spectacular level, it makes one wonder why would he lie about I never once spoke to these people about their foreign business dealings when he was an active participant in it.
Because he thought he could get away with it, and he did for very for two and a half years.
Well, longer than he got just away with it for a couple of decades.
Well, okay, but it when he ran for president in the debates, he told the American people he had nothing to do with Hunter Biden's business.
He did it on three occasions.
That was an outright lie.
And he did it because he knew that nobody in the Justice Department was gonna track him down.
But he repeated it also numerous times as president.
But so when when you look at the specific actions, let's just take the case of Ukraine.
Joe was and and we now have the dialogue, we now have Devin Archer telling Congress that they were desperate to get help from D.C. You have then the 1023 form from a credible FBI informant with the CEO of Barisma saying that he thinks Hunter Biden is dumb and stupid and his dog is smarter,
that he didn't want to pay money to the Bidens, but he had to, and the reason he had to is because he was getting protection.
And you go to that phone call where Hunter puts his dad on speaker with the uh with Zolachevsky, the owner of Barisma and other Borisman executives, and while they're in Dubai, and then the process begins that Joe took Specific action, and that was to get that prosecutor fired.
Then at the end of that, the pro their barisma's problems go away.
They Hunter's earning his money now because Pops did his job.
And also he continues to be enriched because he stays on the barismo board.
If you look at the criminal statute, Bill, you d you don't have to be enriching yourself when you talk about bribery, influence peddling.
Any family member that is enriched by your actions is against the law.
Now, to me, this is a slam dunk case.
I don't think the indictment against Trump yesterday is a slam dunk case.
Well, let me let me get to that.
Um, as far as Biden is concerned, I said it's not going to turn out well for him because the House, when it comes back from vacation, is going to continue to pound this, and probably there will be an impeachment vote.
Republicans don't want to do that unless they have overwhelming evidence, but right now it's tottering on overwhelming evidence, as you just pointed out.
So Joe Biden's not going to escape.
I get a lot of mail, and I guess you do too.
No.
Okay.
He may not go to jail.
He may not be indicted on criminal charges.
If there was a special prosecutor, he would be, but obviously there isn't a special prosecutor in Merrick Arlene's not going to appoint one.
And by the way, to use your phrase, Merrick Allen's going to get impeached too.
Okay, let's go over to Trump.
So the same thing is in play with Trump on this new indictment that came down yesterday.
It's a conspiracy.
All right.
So Smith, the prosecutor, was basically the arrangement he made with his boss, Merrick Arlen, is I'll get him on something.
I'll get Trump on something.
And it doesn't matter whether we get a conviction, because they won't get a conviction on this, in my humble opinion.
No, they're going to get a conviction, Bill.
I'll tell you why.
Only 5.4% of the DC population voted for Trump.
They're getting a conviction in DC.
They're getting a conviction in New York, and they're probably going to get one in Fulton County.
Twelve percent of New York City voters went for Trump, 26 in Fulton County, 5.4% in DC.
But on appeal, I believe Donald Trump wins hands down.
Now, the only thing that could happen, it could be thrown out on summary judgment if you can get it to the appellate court prior to the trial beginning.
Number one, he they're going to ask for a change of venue at a DC.
When that getting it, Bill won't happen.
I'll bet you any amount of money.
Then they'll take it to the appellate.
Right.
Okay, that's the strategy.
They're gonna go in, they're gonna say can't get a fair trial in DC.
Okay?
The judge is gonna say tough.
We want you to come in and do it.
Then they'll appeal.
And that's where all it's all gonna fall apart.
But legally, legally, okay, and in a courtroom in front of a jury, the Trump lawyers can make the argument and back it up 50 different ways.
That Donald Trump believed what he was saying.
That the election was rigged.
Myth alleges he did not believe that.
That he knew the election was okay, but said it wasn't anyway.
They'll never be able to present enough evidence unless there's one wild card here, Hannon.
Are you ready for the wild card?
I'm ready for anything you got, Bill.
Mike Pence.
That if Pence goes in and says, all right, Trump knew all of this was VS about the electors, about me certifying the election.
He knew it was bogus.
But we but we have enough information that we can ascertain that was not what was happening.
I'm telling you that Pence testifying under oath that it happened.
That Donald Trump said, Look, I know we lost, but I want you to do this anyway.
That never I I that none of that information, and we wouldn't know by now has ever come out in terms now.
Mike Pence was pretty outspoken yesterday.
Um I I I guess what I want to ask you here is how does this all end?
Does it end Donald Trump is leading by you know a massive margin in the Republican primary?
Uh right now, Joe Biden has not been thrown overboard by the Democrats.
I think he's one major fall away from that.
Who will the candidates be?
Bill O'Reilly.
Okay, it's impossible.
You can't do it.
My prediction is that Biden will be out of office by Christmas.
But it's just a guess.
All right, quick break.
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You know Donald Trump.
Do you have any doubt Donald Trump believed that there was election interference?
No, because he wanted to believe it.
Doesn't matter if he wanted to.
Did he, if he took a lie detector test, do you think he'd pass it?
Because I think he would.
So do I. But remember, he gets into trouble, Trump because he wanted to believe that.
He was told by people that it didn't happen, but he sought out other people who told him it was rigged.
And he wanted to believe those people.
That's not a crime.
That's not a crime.
And that's why I don't believe he's going to be convicted.
That's why Jonathan Turley, I thought had such a powerful line on my show last night.
This is a free speech killing indictment.
Because it's really about what he said and and what uh the prosecutors trying to get to, the special counsel's trying to get to is well, he really meant this, and he really didn't believe what he was saying, and I don't think you can prove that.
It's sort of like, you know, I've never understood the hate crimes legislation because you're trying to punish what might be in somebody's head when they commit murder.
I mean one way that Smith can prove or at least present powerful case, and that's Mike Pence.
That's why I brought him up.
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If you want to be uh part of the program, it is a it's not really a mystery.
It is a phenomenon.
And that is that every single time they go after Donald J. Trump, it enter energizes the American people.
You know, if you think back and what we've learned about the never-ending three-year Russia hoax lie, exposed by first by Inspector General Michael Horowitz.
The John Durham report finally comes out all these years later.
What did we learn?
That in fact Operation Crossfire Hurricane, that investigation should never have been opened.
It was not warranted.
There was not information, fact uh-based information that justified the opening of that case.
That was political.
We learned that the steel dossier, not a single item in that Hillary Clinton, bought and paid for, dirty Russian dossier, was a were they able to corroborate.
We've since learned the FBI in early October of 2016, even sent agents over the pond to Great Britain to meet with Christopher Steele, for him former MI6 agent.
And the purpose of that flight was to offer him a million dollars to corroborate any part of the steel dossier.
He couldn't collect a penny because he could corroborate nothing.
By the end of that month, well, as Andrew McCabe, deputy FBI director said, they used that dossier that was unverifiable, now completely debunked, as the basis of their FISA applications in late October.
The first one was in late October 2016, three subsequent FISA applications, and it was the bulk of information to get a warrant destroying Carter Page's life and a backdoor into all things Donald Trump campaign, Trump World, and the Trump presidency.
And that says at the top of a Pfizer warrant verified.
It was unverifiable.
So then we see, you know, the persecution didn't stop there.
Then there was the Ukrainian issue.
While everybody ignored the real quid pro quo and and Joe Biden leveraging taxpayer dollars to fire a prosecutor, we now know from Devin Archer because that pro because the Barisma executives paying Joe Biden's zero experienced son and no experience with Ukraine or energy,
all this money, and they they pressured uh Hunter Biden, Devin Archer, and the entire operation uh to get rid of this prosecutor and son of a bee, Joe got him fired in six hours by saying he's not going to give him a billion of our tax dollars and and loan guarantees.
And so we've learned an awful lot in the days that have come and gone.
Then the post-January 6th impeachment, post-presidency impeachment.
So now we've got this is the third indictment.
Now the first two indictments resulted in Donald Trump's poll numbers going up.
Uh I got a text from my friend Matt Towery last night of Insider Advantage, and he was doing a poll post this indictment already.
Uh I think he's got numbers that he will share with us today.
Does this phenomenon continue?
Do we expect it to continue?
Matt Towery is with us.
Robert Cahaley is well is with us.
Uh he's with the Trafalgar group, and John McLaughlin, founder of McLaughlin and Associates, is with us.
Thank you all for being with us.
Um Matt Towery, how did this uh poll, snap poll come out last night?
Well, we were already polling, Sean.
We had started polling uh several days earlier, and to be honest with you, in the raw numbers, Trump was trailing Biden, which did not surprise me when I looked at some of the other numbers that I can explain later about what people don't know in the news.
But last night the raw numbers started to surge, and by the time we ended the poll, we waited it now.
The two are basically tied once again the popular uh popular vote percentage nationally.
So you know, we have very two being Biden and Trump?
Yeah, yeah, totally.
And and and before that, had we waited this poll the day before Donald Trump would have been two points down.
So, in essence, the reaction was immediate.
We saw it in the raw numbers as we go into about five, six, seven o'clock.
And as more people saw this, the number started drifting drifting back towards Trump again.
So it's just a real time uh example of how every time they do this, I mean, Trump had started to drift down a little bit over the last week, which is uh sort of explainable because he wasn't hadn't been in the news and he's got other candidates running against him.
Now all of a sudden he drifts right back up and he's tied with uh with Biden.
Uh now, uh let me ask you, John McLaughlin, you've been doing the same type of polling.
You've seen the same phenomenon, you've reported the same phenomenon.
Uh why is this happening?
Because you would think, I don't know, maybe it's counter to intuitive.
I would think, oh man, the politician gets indicted, his popularity might might take a hit.
Apparently, not in the case of Donald Trump.
No, because the voters see this for what it is.
And uh, you know, Matt I I mean, full disclosure, I worked for the Trump campaign.
You know that better than anybody, Sean, but uh uh, you know, we I told the Trump campaign yesterday that the New York Times had us dead even, as Matt's poll did, 44 43 to 43.
Last week I had Trump up two points, and I said, you know, every time that we've been ahead, I should have told the president, I said, You're gonna get indicted.
And and Biden is a ruthless, desperate, corrupt tyrant and the voters see this because every time there's a story about Hunter Biden or or the corruption, the Biden corruption, uh all of a sudden we're getting indicted to take them out of the headlines.
And uh and you know the sad part is when we asked in our last poll last week, when we asked should the voters decide of the courts, 54 to 38, all voters said that the c that the voters should decide, not the courts and Republican primary voters, it's eighty-two to twelve.
We are incensed by this because this is what happens in communist countries where uh my clients in Eastern Europe have said this is what the communists did.
They you have Joe Biden who's on the ropes with corruption stories right now and he's indictical opponent who's leading them in the polls to to interfere with the elections or undermine democracy.
So this is an outrage.
All right let me ask you Robert Cahale what are you seeing?
Well we see the same thing and what's happening is it that's so unique is that if there were just one thing if there were just one indictment it makes someone look like they're guilty.
But when they start stacking all these things up one after the other the more they do the less credibility all the charges have the easier they are to be dismissed and see this you know kind of piling on and that there's kind of that genuine American reaction you know you talk about when you beat up somebody too much it's too much.
And now that people see it for what it is, do they see it as a persecution, not a prosecution?
Absolutely.
And I, the problem is it is working to do one thing, which is to keep the Biden stuff out of the headlines, because I make a point of trying to, to record all the different newscasts and you would not believe on the NBC, CBS and ABC, how little coverage Biden has,
the bribery scandal are getting and and they they are cut constantly keeping this thing out front page and this is something Matt can go into great more depth but there's a Oh I guarantee you more Americans know about Donald Trump's legal troubles than they do about Joe Biden's however by the time November twenty twenty four comes around oh the every American will know about Joe Biden and the the bribery Joe Biden's bribery scandal allegations they will know and they will have facts behind it.
Well, Sean, to that point, though, let me we ask numerous questions, news questions.
Give me an example.
Fifty percent of Americans have.
Did you ask how many people like the Sean Hannity radio and TV show or did you forget that?
It was ninety nine point nine.
That's such a lie.
I know better.
But go ahead.
So 50 percent of Americans have seen little or no footage of migrants coming across the border in the in.
the last two years.
Okay?
The Fauci issue of emails uh related to gain of function sixty percent had heard nothing or little about it.
The Biden family receiving money um beyond Hunter Biden almost fifty five percent had heard little or nothing about it and fifty percent plus said they'd heard nothing with regard to money that could potentially go to have gone to Joe Biden or any reason that he should be impeached.
There is a blackout in this country on news and uh it I call it I call it an information crisis I mean and when you talk about blackout you're discussing ABC, MBC, CBS, the New York Times, Washington Post, fake news CNN, MSDNC uh none of them want to cover these stories why?
Well very obviously they don't want to cover it because they want to cover the impeachment I mean I say I say impeachment we're back on the old days the indictments of Donald Trump and obviously for example yesterday Fitch downgraded the U.S. um credit rating that would have been a front page story even back during the Obama administration.
Remember when that happened during Obama because they were talking about we were talking about uh the the standoff uh in terms of the budget well in this case Fitch has downgraded this but there's absolutely no coverage of it it got ground out.
All right quick break right back more with our pollsters John McLaughlin Robert Cahely Matt Towery on the other side eight hundred nine four one Sean on number as we continue.
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Robert Cahaley, Matt Towery, John McLaughlin are with us.
You know, I'd look at all this John McLaughlin, and I got to tell you something.
It just is sad because the American people deserve to know the truth here.
I mean, the idea that Joe Biden, why why would any vice president ever leverage a billion dollars to get a prosecutor in Ukraine fired?
It just there's no explanation for that unless you understand what was going on here, and that is the massive amounts of money that is crack addicted son was being paid with no experience by his own admission during that Good Morning America interview.
When every American, when they absorb that and it gets into the political bloodstream of this country, does America see that and compare it to oh uh uh the document indictment against Donald Trump, which, by the way, Hillary had had top secret classified information, major problems.
She deleted 33,000 subpoenaed emails, she destroyed devices.
Joe Biden had four separate locations where he had top secret classified documents.
They didn't raid any of the Clintons' homes or offices or or the Biden's homes.
You know, do they say that this is not equal justice in the sense that you know bribery's a whole different level of crime here compared to what they're talking about with Donald Trump and the indictments that he's facing?
Right, and you're exactly right, because when we've tested in the past, like after the Bragg indictment for the Trump campaign, 89% of the voters were aware of that.
Only 55% were aware of the wires of millions of dollars from communist Chinese companies to the Biden family.
And last week, the plurality of voters, 4940, said this is political trend to stop Trump.
They said it's a diversion away from the Biden scandals, 5138.
They said it's a double standard of justice that uh Hunter Biden goes goes free, gets a plea bargain, and the uh Trump, they continue to prosecute Trump 57 to 30.
So the American voters are getting it, but I want to point out one thing.
If you know the Bidens, Hunter Biden's, yeah, he's got a drug addiction, he's had life problems, etc.
He's not the brains of this.
It's Joe Biden.
He's not the brains, and he's not the brand, John.
No, it's Joe Biden, it's James Biden, it's Valerie Biden, and it's Joe Biden.
The Biden family is the most corrupt family to ever occupy that White House.
And you know, the charges, the phony charges that they put up yesterday that, you know, these laws, nobody's ever been prosecuted on these laws.
Maybe some confederate generals or whatever.
One of those laws has the death penalty in it.
They're talking about putting Trump in jail.
I mean, they want to make him the Nelson Mandela of America.
They want him to die in jail.
Yeah.
Let's be honest.
All right, last word for Robert Cahaley.
Yeah, it really is it's kind of we look we look back on the movie Wag the Dog, and it was all about distracting people with one thing so they wouldn't focus on the other.
And that I mean, that is exactly what's happening.
I mean, just it it is so patently obvious, but uh we have to realize that not everybody consumes conservative media, and this stuff is disseminating a lot slower than than all the up all the other stuff.
I mean Devin Archer.
I mean, even the whistleblower.
I mean, the the the crying in New York uh took more time and got over the whole last week with the uh RS whistleblowers uh on the mainstream media.
They're just not telling people.
And so it it is everybody else's job, all these conservative organizations and the party to get this message out.
I appreciate all of you.
John McLaughlin, Matt Towery, Robert Cahaley, thank you all for being with us.
Uh 800-941 Sean.
If you want to be a part of the program, we'll check in with Stephen Miller and Peter Schweitzer at the top of the hour.
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