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Thanks for being with us.
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If you want to be a part of the program, uh House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan will be with us in a moment as these hearings go on.
Now a second whistleblower has come out.
I hope you found it worthwhile playing the opening statements of both Gary Shapley and Joe Ziggler.
Um here is the House Oversight Committee Chair James Comer and questioning uh Mr. Ziegler uh on issues involving the Bidens and money.
Uh here on the committee, we focused on following the evidence.
Specifically the money trail through bank records and suspicious activity reports.
And I want to discuss with you specific payments made to Hunter Biden and the Biden family.
Democrats and left wing media are also saying there's no evidence.
Let's get into the evidence, Mr. Ziegler.
I want to direct you to pages 99 and 100 of your transcript.
How much money did Hunter Biden and his associates receive from the Romanian company you identified?
So that amount would be uh from Romania.
So the approximate total transfers from the Romania company would have been three point one million to everyone.
Three point one million.
How much did Hunter Biden and his business associates receive from State Energy HK Limited through the Robinson Walker LLC?
So total transfers from State Energy HK to Rob Walker was three million.
Three million.
Was there a hundred thousand dollar payment from CEFC infrastructure to Owasco PC, Hunter Biden's professional corporation?
Uh yes, Chairman.
Approximately how much was transferred to Hunter Biden and his business associates through Hudson West three.
So the total transfers from Hudson West three to everyone was three point seven million.
3.7 million.
How much money did Hunter Biden and his business associates receive from the Ukrainian company Barisma?
Uh Barisma paid to everyone involved, six point five million.
Six point five million.
Barisma also paid Blue Star Strategies and a law firm hundreds of thousands of dollars, bringing the total Barisma payments to over seven million dollars.
Is that correct?
That is correct.
7.3 million.
7.3 million.
Between 2014 and 2019, this brings the total amount of foreign income streams received to approximately 17 million dollars, correct?
That is correct.
All right.
Now the question that is being asked in the House Judiciary Committee is whether or not the FBI is politicized and weaponized, and whether the DOJ is politicized and weaponized.
see how Donald J. Trump is treated.
We saw the target letter that was revealed yesterday.
And now all this money and all this evidence, and there's not a single Democrat that has a single question about this.
And the Biden Justice Department, now we're hearing from we have an FBI whistleblower that says, in fact, that the Bidens were given special treatment, that they were tipped off, in fact, which is is my numbing.
The FBI agents uh investigating Hunter Biden uh was told not to answer certain committee questions that would obstruct an investigation.
The FBI tipped off the Biden team and the Secret Service about a plan to interview Hunter.
Uh and and that resulted in that interview being stopped.
FBI T tipped off team but uh Biden uh Secret Service about a plan of interview.
And that interview never happened.
And Jim Jordan is thinking about holding the FBI director Ray in contempt of Congress.
Uh anyway, he joins us now, Ohio Congressman, head of the judiciary committee, Jim Jordan.
Sir, how are you?
I'm fine, Sean.
Good to be with you.
You know, I don't think I uh I I thought I was good at lists and and laying out the facts really quickly, and nobody does it better than you.
Um can you please explain what it is we are seeing, not only with the Biden family and what we're discovering here, and more importantly, what you see going on, especially in light of the target letter that Donald Trump received uh yesterday, or on Sunday night rather, that was revealed yesterday, and and your interpretation of it.
Well, we see we see what the American people see.
Four out of five Americans think there's a two-tier system.
We see that.
You see how the the Biden family gets treated, you see how the Trump family gets treated.
You see how anyone connected with the Democrat Party and you quoted lead here in DC, there's one set of rules for them, a different set of rules for us, conservatives and regular Americans.
So that's that's that's the big big overarching concern.
Specific to this, though, and I I raised this in the committee today.
It's the fundamental question, who you gonna believe?
I think there are actually two fundamental questions.
First, to to what happened here.
Ask the simple question, what did the Bidens do for the money?
What was the service they offered?
What was the product they offered?
What was the value they added?
What did they do?
No one can find anything other than access to an important guy in American political system and the American government, Joe Biden.
That's all you can figure out there.
And then you asked the the more important question about how the investigation into Hunter Biden went, and it's who you're gonna believe.
Who are you gonna believe?
These two agents whose story has been consistent, whose testimony has not wavered and been supported two days ago by the testimony of an FBI agent.
You're gonna believe them, ten year veterans, both a decade of service, handled the biggest, highest profile international tax fraud cases, that handled them all, traveled all over the world, outstanding reviews, performance reviews.
You're gonna believe them, or are you gonna believe the guy the Biden Garland Justice Department that can't get their story straight?
And I laid this out.
June 7th of this year, David Weiss writes me and says I've been granted ultimate authority, including responsibility for deciding where, when, and whether to file charges.
June 30th, 23 days later, he sends me another letter and clarifies everything.
He says in the second letter, he says, I um I stand by what I wrote, but I want to expand.
And then the next sentence is my charging authority is geographically limited to my home district.
Well, which is it?
You've got ultimate authority to decide where he said that, not me, where you can file charges, or you're limited to your district, because it can't be both.
And I would argue I would say this the one thing that happened between those two dates, Sean, between June 7th of this year and June 30 of this year, is these two whistleblowers who are testifying publicly today, their transcript from their interview from their deposition went public on June 22nd.
And suddenly I think David Weiss said, Oh my goodness, I gotta fix my story.
And that's what he tried to do in that June 30th letter.
So that would also impact Merrick Garland, wouldn't it?
Who made the claim that in fact he had full jurisdiction to go to California and Washington, D.C. Of course, Merrick Garland said that under oath in front of the United States Senate, both once when Mr. Senator Hagerty questioned him, once when Senator Grassley questioned him, he said he's got ultimate authority, he's in charge, no politics, no interference whatsoever from Maine Justice.
Now here's the clincher.
On July 10th, just a couple weeks ago, Mr. Weiss writes Senator Graham.
And his letter to Senator Graham, he says this.
He said, To clarify, I have not requested special counsel designation.
Rather, I've had discussions with departmental officials.
So he went from I got full authority to no, I don't have full authority, to oh, I've had discussions with Maine Justice.
Three stories in 33 days.
But the guys on the stand who are just showing how credible they are, they have not wavered.
Their story has not changed, their testimony has been consistent.
That I think is the big takeaway.
And so we we're trying to interview the folks associated with this investigation at the Justice Department to find out what happened.
My hunch is David Weiss probably wanted to do the right thing, but somebody told him he couldn't go forward with the charges that everyone sees in these two whistleblowers see in the FBI agencies should have happened.
All right.
So we have, based on that exchange with James Comer and the IRS whistleblower Joe Ziegler, uh, 17 million dollars of money is going to the Biden.
Uh that does not include the money from Russia.
That does not include the money from China on the Ukrainian money, six point five million, that's more than I thought it was, uh, that Mr. Ziegler pointed out in his testimony today.
And so I want to know in total, how much money are we talking about?
The the the the Biden family syndicate, because you got Romania, you got Kazakhstan, you've got Ukraine and Barisma, and you got Russia and you got China.
Um how much money did they did they make in these foreign business deals?
How much money in business?
How much money was profit?
And did and and we now know that Joe Biden himself lied to the American people repeatedly.
We got photographic evidence of him meeting with Hunter and foreign business partners.
We got dates and times and places Of meetings with foreign business partners of Hunter.
Uh so Joe Biden seems to be up to his eyeballs in this.
Uh is that money getting close now to Joe Biden and closer and closer?
Because um I think there's a word for that where I grew up, and it probably is the same word that's in your head.
Yeah.
Um look, uh we we know of over 17 million, as as you said, this is what Mr. Ziggler said to today on the witness stand.
Um that's a lot of money.
I think one of the fundamental questions too, and what these guys are trying to get to the bottom of is uh how much uh how many how much did he own it in his tax bill?
How much did he didn't did he not pay in taxes?
That's a huge number as well, and that's sort of the fundamental issue with these with these two whistleblowers, these two IRS.
Did Hunter ever uh register under the FARA Act?
Yeah, we don't believe so.
No.
Uh and what we're trying to do, Sean, as you know, uh Chairman Comer has been attempting to um interview uh transcribed interview with his uh Hunter Biden's business partner, m Mr. Archer, and that gets scheduled and gets rescheduled, and so I know the chairman continues to push for the committee to be able to do that transcribed interview.
And by the way, but they won't release some of the documents that the government won't release documents of Devin Archer that they have in their possession.
Well, it all depends.
W one of the one of the issues you do have to navigate is any document that deals with tax information has to go through the Ways and Means Committee.
There has to be a majority vote in that committee to release that information 6103, and that's to protect our confidential taxpayer information.
But um so the Mr. Zigler today, I think uh a couple times on the witness stand talked about documents he wants to turn over to the Ways and Means Committee, and then Chairman Smith and the committee can then look at those documents and vote to release those.
So it could be tied in with that as well.
Let's cut to the chase.
Your investigation is deep into the issue of whether or not our FBI is politicized and weaponized and our Department of Justice is politicized and weaponized.
Uh is it Congressman?
Are they until uh well well I I believe they are, and up until October seventh, the Mr. Shapley and Mr. Ziggler said the prosecutors this is what the Democrats say.
They said, Oh, the investigators always want to go forward with it with the prosecution, but it's the lawyers, it's the prosecutors who make the ultimate decision on charging uh w what gets charged, when get w and where it gets charged.
And the the key here is though, the prosecutors and the investigators were in complete agreement throughout the vast majority of this investigation.
It's like a four and a half year investigation.
They were in agreement, and then this meeting happens on October 7th.
Well, wait a minute.
David Weiss's office signed off on felony charges, did they not for Hunter Biden tax charges?
Exhibit number two in their testimony.
Exactly right.
But then we get to this meeting and something changes.
And I would argue that something changes is this discussion that Mr. Weiss says he had with the Justice Department.
Um I think that's that that's the key event I think that changes, and that's why we're getting these over the last month, we're getting these three different explanations of what kind of authority he had.
Before their testimony is released, before exhibit two, which you just pointed out, exhibit ten, which talks about the email he made of the October seventh meeting, Mr. Shapley made.
Before that all gets released in their testimony, g is public, Mr. Weiss is saying, I got I've ultimately he's like pounding his chest like Tarzan.
I got ultimate authority, including the responsibility for deciding where, when, and whether to file charges.
Well, that's not what happened in the October seventh meeting, and there was six other people in that meeting.
Um none of them have refuted what uh Mr. Shapley said took place, and he made a contemporaneous um uh uh email that he sent that day that spells it all out.
And the guy who received the m the memo, his boss was in the in that meeting, and he confirmed what Mr. Shapley said.
So again, the credibility these Well then let me ask you, juxtapose the treatment of the Bidens j uh and um factor in the treatment of Hillary Clinton, no reasonable prosecutor would prosecute thirty three thousand deleted subpoenaed emails, destruction of devices, uh a phony Pfizer warrant, uh that even the Durham report said there's there is no corroboration of any of it.
Uh they used the Pfizer warrant that they knew was not verifiable because they offered uh steal a million dollars.
All these other issues, nothing ever happens to Democrats here.
And uh I mean, what what are the the consequences gonna be?
Can Merrick Garland continue as our attorney general?
Well, the speaker's the speaker's been clear.
He said uh he thinks we're we're uh you know approaching a a potential impeachment inquiry of uh folks at the Justice Department.
So um but that that's the speaker and and and I've said I said to you, Sean uh on on the your show here and your your T V show that look, when you go down that road, you you know what this was like four years ago.
When I was on the other side, if you decide to go down that road and the in in an impeachment road, it consumes everything in the co in the Congress.
Our entire Republican conference, I think need to make that decision together.
But it's got to be based on the facts, and uh that's why we're we're getting all the facts.
Because if you do, I know what it was like back in twenty nineteen, sitting in the bunker in the basement of the Capitol going through all that, uh deposing I mean, I know what that's like, and maybe that's where we gotta go, but we gotta continue to get the facts, and then we also got to use the appropriations process and this Pfizer reauthorization that's coming up to make changes so we can protect American liberty.
Wow, this is pretty this is really, really important.
You know, Congressman, this is so important.
If we don't have equal justice under the law and equal application of our laws, and we have a weaponized justice system, you might as well take that document known as the Constitution and shred it.
It is the foundation of the rule of law in our country, and that's what I see happening before our eyes.
I know you're gonna get to the bottom of it, and uh I know we're gonna find out that this money is real.
What did these countries expect for all the millions of dollars they did in business with the Biden family syndicate?
Uh, we know that Hunter had no experience, six point five million dollars from Barisma.
We know that Joe leveraged a billion taxpayer dollars to fire the prosecutor investigating his son so he can continue to get paid.
Uh, and son of a bee, they did it.
And there's a lot of meat on this bone.
And with all the talk about, you know, Donald Trump and target letters and indictments here, there, and everywhere, you got to imagine this is now coming to a head.
Do you believe that this will go back to Joe Biden?
Last question.
Well, we'll we'll see.
It it it you know, uh we gotta just follow the facts.
That's what I always do in this thing.
I I say it, I never want to get ahead of the facts because the facts are the facts are so compelling right now.
And I do think the changing story from the Justice Department is is really important when you when you look at their version of what's happened, how it continues to change.
Remember, Sean, too, this is the same Justice Department that said pro-life Catholics were extremists, parents were terrorists, and is and was censoring American speech.
You look that record versus these whistleblowers, I think the country sees who's telling the truth.
Congressman Jim Jordan, Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.
Thank you.
We'll continue.
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Uh do you fix your own plumbing or electricity?
Do you fix your car as complicated as cars are today, the way we used to?
No, you don't.
Uh, but you can owe the IRS and have massive amounts of money that you owe them on.
Oh, I I'll take care of this.
I can handle this myself.
That's nuts.
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Uh, all right, let's get to our busy phones.
Christina in the Buckeye State, Ohio.
What's up, Christina?
How are you?
Glad you called.
Where are you in Ohio?
I am right around Akron area.
Know the area well.
Glad you called.
What's going on?
Um I'm calling to go over the the cocaine in the White House.
Yeah.
Take this very, very personally, and I'll I'll tell you why.
I have a daughter who is addicted to Joe's drugs, and I call him Joe's Drugs because she's allowing them to come into our borders.
And she is in county jail in Tennessee.
This is your daughter.
How old is your daughter?
Twenty-four years old.
By the way, I'm very sorry to hear this.
She is By the way, there's not a person listening to this program that doesn't know or somebody that has an addiction problem.
It is it is beyond an epidemic.
Alcohol addiction, drug addiction, all sorts of gambling addiction.
It's terrible.
Everybody who's hearing this, our president is slapping us in the face the way that he touts his son.
I am Italian, originally from New York, and I would never condone.
I would never uh defend my my daughter's actions.
But last week she overdosed.
Oh no.
In Tennessee.
In jail.
She overdosed in jail.
In jail.
Do you know what drug she took?
Her.
They had a Narcan her five times, Sean.
So she really came close to dying.
She died.
They brought her back.
Wow.
In twenty-four hours.
They were able to find out who brought the drugs in.
So if you're telling me our White House, my house, the people's house, the the house that our tax money pays for, that the Secret Service could not find out whose drugs those are.
That's a lie.
That's a slap in my face.
The fact that we have a president.
I I would think it's maybe a weird way, and and correct me if I'm wrong.
There's a part of you that might be glad when she went to jail, thinking, okay, you know, she's not gonna get drugs in jail, although we know drugs actually are pretty prevalent in some jails.
Slept.
I have not slept.
The only time I sleep is when my daughter is in jail.
I know she's not getting raped, I know she's not getting hunted down by drug dealers, I know she's not overdosing where some sleazy person is walking over her dead body to get away from the cops.
When she's in jail, that's when I can sleep.
Now I can't sleep even when she's in jail, as sad as that may be.
I don't even know what to say, except I'm sorry.
And except I'm sorry that your daughter's going through this.
I'm sorry.
As a parent, you're living through this nightmare.
I know many, many parents who have.
I know parents that have lost their children.
I know parents that you know their kids have died from from fentanyl laced drugs.
I know way too many people that whose lives have been impacted by this, and it you know, there's an old saying, you're only as happy or only can be happy as your as your saddest child is.
In other words, if your kids are struggling, you cannot have happiness.
And I know that to be true.
Just a fact.
You know, I foolishly actually believed Christina at one point, you know, when my kids were growing up, oh they'll go to college and my job's done and it's over, I'll be an empty name.
I could I can't even believe how dumb I was.
You never stop worrying about your kids ever.
You just don't.
Even when everything's going great in their life, you're still worried because there's trouble everywhere.
Um I'm kind of fortunate that both my kids are really if they're addicted to something, it's fitness.
I mean, that they just are fitness, you know, that the that's all they've known their whole life.
They've been athletes their whole life.
And so that to me is uh a much better, healthier addiction than you know, any of the things we're talking about here.
Um I'm very sorry.
I really am, but you're right.
Open borders, fentanyl.
Yeah, you're right.
It's terrible.
And we should be doing a lot more.
You know, President Trump said last night, and I don't think this portion aired, because I think it was during the QA.
Um one of the people in the crowd asked, and we have not aired that part yet, and we'll have it on this week.
You know, what what what should we do to stop drugs in this country?
And he said, Well, I asked President Chi if they have a drug problem in China, and President Xi said, No, hell no.
We don't have any drug problems.
And he said, one of the reasons is if you're a drug dealer, he said the average drug dealer, and I'd never heard this statistics before, this statistic before, and I'll let you know when this is gonna air.
Um, will kill s I mean the people that sell the hard drugs.
They'll kill between six and seven hundred people each.
And especially now because they're lacing everything, even weed with with fentanyl.
And he said that President She said, no, we just give the death penalty to drug dealers.
And drug users.
You know, get severe penalties.
And I don't really know any other way than that, because uh you know how these people can sell drugs ten dollar bags, known knowing that they're laced with fentanyl and people can die for what, ten bucks?
Really?
You you you you have that little regard for human life?
You don't care about the person, you just want the money.
I don't know, that's solos to me.
Really is, but you know, well, pray for your daughter, Christina.
I don't know any other uh anything else to do.
I I hope she can get the counseling in prison that that would save her life and change her life and alter her life.
You know, I went I did go to a prison once, Rikers Island, and I spoke and it was for a Christian group.
They never invited me back because I used real real street language when I was there.
And the reason I did is because I I I I didn't I they wouldn't relate to me any other way.
That's how I felt in the moment.
And I think I was right.
I think my instincts were right.
And there had been a guy that would they were stomping their feet in frustration because the guy was just preaching and preaching and preaching, and they're like, oh, shut up.
Just the So the first thing I said is when I stood up, and their families were were there.
They just successfully completed a program.
And I I asked the families, would you mind if I face them?
They were behind me.
I was at a podium.
I said, Do you mind if I face the your fan your your the prisoners themselves?
And they were fine with that.
And I said, All right, first thing I want you to know is I'm not going to go longer than five, seven minutes max.
They were like j thrilled.
And then I went very, you know, hardcore street New York talk to them.
Well, you want to be in a blanking idiot?
Peep a blank and idiot.
Half of you are gonna be blanking idiots.
Half of you are gonna come back here after you get out of here.
Half of you are gonna go right back to the dopey friends and the dopey lifestyle you were living that got you in here.
Half of you are never gonna have your own apartment, never gonna have a girlfriend, maybe a a wife, family, kids.
Uh you're not gonna have the ability to get the pizza where and when you want it, the McDonald's, where and when you want it, whatever your favorite food happens to be, where and when you want it.
I said, that's up to you.
Half of you are a bunch of dumb and you're gonna blow it.
And I said then I said to them, here's my advice.
Never ever go around those friends that get you into trouble.
And if it means friends and family, stay away from them too.
And if it means you have to pack and move someplace, you know, work two shifts every day at a fast food place, go do it.
You know, get a get a studio little apartment and build your life back.
That's what I advise them.
I don't, you know, I never got invited back.
Well, I'm not surprised, but um I hope I got I hope I uh if one person heard me, it was worth the hours that I spent going to that jail.
Anyway, uh we're praying for you, Christine, okay.
She's doing okay now.
But we also have a media problem because the media is like, oh, well, Hunter Biden was was on crack and he can't be held accountable for what he did while he was on crack.
Well, then why is my kid sitting in jail?
Great question.
That's a great question.
And we know why, because we have uh a dual system of justice in this country.
I really do I really my heart really goes out to you.
I'm very sorry you have to live through that.
And I know parents that are living through it and people relating to what I what I'm saying here and what you're saying and what you live through.
Uh Christina, God bless you.
Uh Gunther in Georgia.
Hey Gunther, how are you?
Hey, Sean and Miss Linda, how you doing?
It's it's uh Gunther, I'm calling from uh Fort Stork, Georgia.
Yes, sir, glad you called.
Man.
Uh yes, sir.
I I I just wanted to make a comment on the West Wing incident.
So, in terms of background, I'm a retired military police colonel uh in the army, okay, and I was blessed being on I was selected to be the personal security officer, PSO for a guy named Donald Henry Rumsfeld.
Okay, so over the years, um I I did that that assignment for two years.
So I I've been in in the West Wing several times.
So my my point to your audience, and I thank you, I thank you and Linda for what you folks do.
I've been listening to you and watching you for years.
Um you're absolutely like the last last reality out here, I think, other than the food network.
Um but my point is this.
I've been through there, I try to think about it over of two year period.
I've been through the West Wing of the White House probably twenty-five, thirty times with Mr. Rumsville.
That place is wired tight with CCTV.
Okay.
So for somebody to be able to tell me, and those cameras are on 24 seven, okay, and so for somebody to tell me, even in my current position where I have over 400 cameras around this insulation, that they can't go back in and see who did that.
I'm just uh uh I'm just I'm I'm I I'm I'm I'm astounded.
I'm astounded with our speaker service is my point, sir.
So Gunther, it's Linda and and hi to you too.
You know, I wanted to just ask you a quick question.
So I've been saying this for a couple of days this week.
You know, if if that's true what you're saying, and I believe that it is.
I mean, this is the people's house, and we want to protect our president and our elected officials and all of his cabinet and administration.
My question to you, sir, and thank you for your service as well, is with your background, having worked for someone like Rumsfeld, you know, does it make any sense to you why maybe not one of these Secret Service agents might not have spoken out by now?
That's the thing that baffles me.
Oh no, uh no, I think I I think they're being um how would I say?
I mean, I I I think somebody at at the top, okay, and I I don't know how much I could say on this phone call, but no, somebody's snuffing this out.
Because I I again I've been there.
Okay, I could go from where I'm sitting right now, I could go back into another room right now, okay, and I've had an office in the Pentagon, and I could pull up recordings of what what's going on.
And it's so it's just it's it's it's an absolute fallacy in my mind where they take ten or eleven days and then come out and nothing comes back from it.
They've got to have footage of that.
So it's a t it's a total lie.
It's a total cop-out.
It is.
It is.
And it it's I mean, okay, so who who hold who who holds somebody accountable for like, hey, I want to see the tape footage because they have it.
I mean, I'm doing it right now on a military installation, the largest military installation east of the Mississippi River.
I mean, w we do it every day, 247.
So it you're right, Miss Linda.
I mean, it's an absolute lie, and it, you know, it goes back to so many things that that uh absolutely disgust me.
Uh but somebody needs to be held accountable.
Okay, so in my opinion, okay, this is a a dumb, dumb Army retired guy.
Okay, guess what?
Somebody brought cocaine into the White House.
Okay, there's cameras everywhere.
Like I said, I don't know, probably 30 30's probably a good number that I actually walked through one step left, one step uh behind the Secretary of Defense.
I've walked through there.
It's it there's cameras everywhere.
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