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Uh last hour we found out that uh Justice John Roberts, the chief justice, in his opinion on saying no, you can't pay back or just relieve student loans in the executive.
He in his opinion, he wrote that Nancy Pelosi agrees with him.
And I thought this was hilarious.
Ethan, very quick on the draw, went and found this.
And I want to play you the soundbite from Nancy Pelosi that John Roberts based his decision on.
People think that the president of the United States has the power for debt forgiveness.
He does not.
He can postpone, he can delay, but he does not have that power.
That would has to be an act of Congress.
But the difference between the president doing the president can't do it.
So that's not even a discussion.
Not everybody realizes that.
But the president can only postpone delay but not forgive.
Thank you, Nancy.
Every leftist in your little online social media group that says anything about anything, make sure you go and get that piece of video or that piece of audio.
Let them hear Nancy Pelosi explain why they're wrong.
I just love that.
Thank you, uh, Ethan for tracking that down.
All right, I want to give you Drago Jiren.
He is a guy who is from Poland.
He escaped the Soviet bloc and escaped to America and then became a Navy SEAL, and he's got a brand new book out.
It's amazing.
Uh again, imagine being stuck in Poland when the Iron Curtain was still in place and then getting out of there.
Once again, Drago Jiran is uh joining us with a brand new book called The Pledge to America, one man's journey from political prisoner to US uh Navy SEAL.
How are you, Drago?
Nice to meet you.
Thank you, Joe, for inviting me.
I'm doing fine.
How are you?
Oh, I'm doing very well, and I appreciate you coming on the show today.
Um you've got an accent, obviously, but you speak English perfectly.
You're from Poland, yes.
I grew up in Poland, although I am American.
There is no hyphen in front of this American.
Right.
I'm uh just just an American.
You know, and I understand that, but I wanted to sort of set the scene for the story.
Uh I'm Italian in heritage, but I'm certainly an American first.
Absolutely, just like you.
So um I want to get to how you became an American, but but let's start from the start.
In Poland, when you were growing up, was it socialist?
Was it communist?
What was it?
Poland was a socialist state uh run by communists.
This is very uh people mistakenly call all the countries behind the iron curtain in eastern Europe communist countries.
So we just might have to make it clear, none of these countries were ever communists.
They were socialist uh totalitarian states run by communists like my father.
So that's uh yeah, that they were socialist terrorist states.
That's what And it was under it was it under the control of the USSR at the time or not?
Yes, absolutely, yes.
The political control and uh uh uh the the society was control and uh model on the Soviet Union uh uh uh way.
Americans who are born and raised here don't understand how how well we have it, how good we have it.
Um I don't think they they truly understand when they you say the word socialist, I think we almost have to say communist because people think socialism is good somehow.
If you ask a young college student, generally speaking, today, they think socialism is somehow good.
Of course it's not.
Well, what is the true um life story of a young person, a young boy, facing this socialist communist dictatorship thing that you face growing up.
It we wouldn't even understand it, would we?
Uh it would be hard to understand for people who never experience totalitarian uh oppressive system like a socialist uh Poland.
We can call it communist, most of the people do that, but again, technically there were socialist states uh uh uh uh socialism a precursor to full communism.
And my father was one of those building it.
People here have very uh little understanding of it because they never experience socialist terror.
Communist terror.
So this is uh it it means it it is on one side is good that America is pristine a nation that was able to defend itself from communism and socialism.
And uh we let's hope that uh uh the perversion of socialism and communism never come here to America.
Well what's interesting, it's Drago Jiren.
Uh he's got a book out.
It's called The Pledge to America, one man's journey from political prisoner to US Navy SEAL.
Um it's a story.
You're right.
We're very lucky.
You're glad that a lot of people don't have to face what you faced, but having faced what you faced growing up gave you that much more appreciation for America, right?
Yes, and different vantage points.
So the things that I see right now that alarm me are uh very often ignored or not understood that the the process by many of our fellow uh Americans.
Yeah, and I want to get into that.
I want to get into very specifics about that coming up.
You said totalitarianism a couple of times.
A totalitarianism uh society, is it truly what it sounds like?
They own everything, they control everything, even your words and possibly your thoughts.
Not only yes, and all also your family and everything that you have.
It may not be apparent or obvious to ignorant people or people who do not understand how socialism works, but in the end, uh you are own, basically you are a slave to socialism and communism, and I experienced it, but I also had a glimpse of uh uh behind the curtain when I spent some time with my father, high-ranking communist and uh uh government official at the time.
It is uh Drago Giran, he has got a book out, it's called The Pledge to America, one man's journey from political prisoner to US Navy SEAL.
You can follow him on Instagram, his first name D R A G O, last name D Z I E R A N. Go and follow him there.
I don't follow you yet, but I will go follow you on Instagram.
I'm at Joe Talk Show on Instagram.
Um I follow you.
Oh, good, good, good.
I'm glad that you do.
So when you're growing up there, are you about the age where Lek Walensky uh came into power and uh and started the revolution and started pushing for freedom?
Were you there when Reagan was telling Gorbachev knock it off?
Yes, I was born 20 years before those events you mentioned here.
Okay, and yes, I witnessed it, I was part of it, and this is why eventually I ended up in communist prison as a political prisoner, and I had to escape to the West uh to America.
How did you do that?
Well, what happened is that after uh communists implemented martial law in Poland in 1980, they arrested around there's there are different estimates, but most likely this to around 25,000 people in one night.
Um and the rest of later people who revolt who did not agree with the socialist communist narrative were arrested later, just like I was.
And uh in 1983, uh before John Paul II, a Pope, right, uh before his visit to Poland, he demanded that communists in socialist Poland release political prisoners.
So I was one of those uh released at the time.
And you and you became a prisoner, Drago, because you were just speaking out saying we want freedom.
I was speaking out against the communism.
Actually, uh exactly I was printing a bulletin with information that was outside of the socialist censorship and uh uh and control.
So for that, I got a three year prison sentence.
I was very lucky because in the past, people used sometimes were executed uh and killed by uh uh communist regime.
Just for speaking out.
Just for speaking up.
It is uh Drago Giran, he is uh he's got a book out called The Pledge to America, one man's journey from political prisoner to US Navy SEAL.
Were you surprised that a communist or socialist totalitarianism government um would allow for a religious leader to come?
Because generally speaking, the government wants to be the higher power, they'll want to be the religion.
Were you surprised they wanted they allowed John Paul II to come?
Absolutely, yes, not only I, most of uh Paul's at the time were surprised.
But Poland at the time was uh indebted to the West and their economy was failing, they could not get any other loans from the West, so they agree on the to that visit.
The first visit was in 1979 when John Paul II came to Poland first time.
Well, you know what that visit did?
The Poles freed themselves mostly from the communist yoke of socialist state.
Right.
They created at the time the first totally independent organization, independent from communist party.
It was the first such organization in a social uh in communist block, socialist block.
So the communists were communists were already scared.
I know I talked to my father, he was scared, but uh they had to allow it.
So that that was nothing that communists were veiging for or wanted, right?
But they just had to agree.
And financially, yeah, I mean it always comes down to money, doesn't it, Drago?
But it was about the money, so they said we'll let him come if the West helps us out.
Yes, because the socialist economy was failing.
I mean, that was so I mean, we were uh hungry.
I mean, people were angry.
But this is not just uh hungry before John Paul II came in.
This upheaval in socialist state happened every six to eight years, nineteen forty-eight, nineteen fifty-six, nineteen sixty-eight, nineteen seventy, nineteen seventy-eight.
Those are the upheavals where people on the street were mortared by social by socialist government, uh totalitarian government.
So, yes, that's uh that yes.
It's always about the money.
The book is called The Pledge to America, one man's journey from political prisoner to U.S. Navy SEAL.
It's uh Drago Jiran.
He is a former Navy SEAL.
I guess you're always a Navy SEAL, but you're retired now, and uh also the author of the book.
You've mentioned your father a couple of times.
He was a communist guy.
So uh here is your dad, who you obviously look up to and you love, and he has one set of beliefs, and you clearly were on the opposite end.
How does how does the son of a communist leader end up disagreeing with him?
What how did you educate yourself that what he believed in may not be right?
Well, he was the old one in the family.
My mother, my grandmother, they knew the dangers of socialism.
His own mother knew the dangers of socialism.
And I wrote in my book, even how uh when his mother, my grandma, was teaching me how to pray.
So the first thing in the prayer was get these red parasites, get this red evil out of Poland as soon as you can.
And I, of course, I was five, four years old at the time.
I didn't understand very well, but I was repeating after my grandmother until my father my father actually overheard it, and he the he he absolutely forbid my grandmother to ever uh uh pray with me or teach me how to pray.
Wow.
Matter of fact, he was forbidden us to go to church because church and faith were very incompatible, are not compatible with socialist communist dogma.
Can you imagine being raised in a place where your father doesn't allow you to pray?
You can't have a higher power.
His grandmother, however, did believe in that.
So did other family members.
I couldn't even imagine that uh Drago Jiren, go and get his book.
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Bottom of the hour, it's gonna be Gary Sinise.
Gary Sinish, yes, the actor.
Yes, Lieutenant Dan, that guy.
Uh he is doing so much for first responders.
He's doing so much for veterans.
He's got a foundation, Gary Sinise Foundation.
And uh, you're gonna hear about exactly what they're working on, which is also uh awesome stuff.
What's being lost in the decisions by the Supreme Court today is that there was a web designer that was sued because she refused to do a web page for a same-sex marriage.
It's important because again, this court, this conservative court, holds up traditional religious values.
This web designer said, listen, it goes against my religious beliefs.
I've got first amendment rights.
I can I can deny you the service that I'm offering.
If I disagree religiously, my high my well-held religious beliefs don't coincide with what you want me to do.
I don't have to do it.
That's a monumental case that's not being talked about because affirmative action is is huge.
Paying back loans or not paying back loans, huge.
This one has a lot of ramifications.
And in fact, um I'm gonna get with Greg Jarrett and have him on my show again very soon.
Because I wanted to break that one down, which I think is really, really important.
Not many people are talking about that one because of all the breaking stuff and the fact that Nancy Pelosi was cited on the the loan payback.
You got Biden out there talking about how horrible it is.
Republicans stopped him from being able to pay back the loans or or or relieve the loans.
Uh the whole thing is crazy.
And then you've got him saying things like, Well, the value system of America or the institutions are under attack.
No, the institutions were under attack when you made abortion legal.
When you try to pay back somebody's loans to the tune of half a trillion dollars, when you try to tell people your religious beliefs don't matter, you've got to do what this client says do.
That's when our institutions were under attack.
Not now.
This court, thank you, Donald Trump, by the way.
This court is going through and fixing, writing a bunch of wrongs that were unconstitutionally decided before.
This is a very good thing for America.
So again, look that up.
If you haven't seen that, the web designer will not have to make a webpage for a same-sex couple if it goes against her religious beliefs.
When we come back, it's gonna be Gary Sinise.
Great conversation.
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Great to have you along for the ride.
Thanks a lot for stopping by.
Really glad to have this man on.
He's a wonderful actor that you all know.
He's also the founder of the Gary Sinese Foundation.
It's Gary Sinise.
Gary, how are you?
Good to see you.
I'm doing great, Joe.
Thanks for having me.
My pleasure to have you on.
Um loved you and everything that you've done.
Really been a fan for a very long time.
I'm honored to have you on.
I'm also honored by the work that you do every single day for first responders and for veterans.
And I told you this before we started.
My dad was a firefighter in the Air Force.
He loved his service his entire life.
We lost him about 12 years ago.
He said, service, my service every day.
This is a very, very important thing for those who do this.
And many times they're not taken care of.
And then, of course, a firefighter when he got out as well.
What what is it about about your life?
What happened in your life that made you say, I've got to take care of first responders, I've got to take care of veterans.
I I think there's multiple things that have happened along the way.
You know, a lot of veterans in my family, uh, first uh first off on my side of the family and my wife's side of the family.
And back in the 80s, I got to know her side of the family pretty well.
They're Vietnam veterans, uh, two served in the three served in the army.
Okay.
Um I I got I got to feel a lot of compassion for them because uh as we know when they came home from war and they didn't get the treatment they deserved.
They, you know, it was a really tough time for our services uh coming out of Vietnam, and I felt very badly for them.
So I you know, I tried to find ways to help our Vietnam veterans back in the eighties, and then uh in the 90s, I played the Vietnam veteran in Forrest Gump, and that started me working with our wounded.
And then September 11th came along, and I just felt a lot of uh I just felt called to try to help out in some way, and that kind of snowballed into a massive effort uh that uh kind of manifested itself into the creation of my own foundation, and now we've raised hundreds of millions of dollars and and supported a lot of people uh you know around the world.
Go and find out more.
Gary Sinese Foundation.org.
It's it's amazing that it's been almost 30 years since Lieutenant Dan.
Does it feel like that?
You know, yeah, next year will be the 30th anniversary of the film.
Uh No, it does it doesn't.
I mean, I feel like I've uh first of all, that movie seems like it's on television every night.
So somebody's always watching it, you know, and I'm getting texts or emails.
Hey, I'm watching Forest Gump.
And you know, it seems like the movie is just always a part of the you know, the the American tapestry here, and then certainly playing Lieutenant Dan and living with that character in more ways than just uh you know a movie part.
Right.
Uh having it introduced me to so many different wounded service members over the years and that kind of thing.
Uh it feels like you know, the movie is just kind of present.
Uh, I never thought when I went to work on that film in 1993, it came out in 94.
I never thought at that time that I'd still be associated with this uh, you know, a character all these years later, but I didn't know that we would be hit on September 11th.
We'd have this new generation of wounded coming home and and that they would relate to the character of Lieutenant Dan and actually walking into the hospitals and meeting these wounded service members coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan and having them look at me and not even know my name, but they recognize me, my face from the movie.
That was kind of a conversation starter, and I I found that a lot of our wounded really wanted to talk about that particular character.
And it is it is a happy ending story for for one of our wounded service members.
Right.
You know, up until that point, Joe, if you look at it, if you think back in the 80s, late 70s and the 80s, the movies that were coming out about Vietnam were like coming home, uh casualties of war, platoon, apocalypse apocalypse now.
Uh uh a lot of films where you really didn't where the Vietnam veteran in the film, you just weren't sure that they were going to be all right.
Right.
And along comes Forrest Gump, and and this was a story of a Vietnam veteran that we hadn't seen before, somebody who could kind of process the war, go through all the the anguish and anger and stuff of returning and being isolated as a Vietnam veteran, but then life turns around and he's a successful businessman at the end of the movie, and he's moving on with his life.
And so we really hadn't seen that story before.
And I I think it was uh it resonated with a lot of our uh Vietnam veterans.
Well, I think you're actually absolutely right because normally the Vietnam veteran was depicted as angry, sad, suicidal.
Lieutenant Dan, although he lost, you know, a part of his body, um, was still somebody who could smile and could see a future and could see opportunity.
That really that really did uh I didn't think of it before you said it.
That changed our entire perspective on those coming back from that particular war, didn't it?
Well, I I think that's why it may have resonated so much with so many of our Vietnam veterans, because yeah, there were Vietnam veterans who came from that came home from that war and did not do well.
They struggled.
Uh my one of my brothers-in-law, he's he's kind of a recluse and somebody who just prefers to stay isolated and stay by himself.
He was a combat helicopter violent in Vietnam.
He's sort of that side of the story, but we hadn't really seen the side of the story where somebody could kind of put their war years behind them as a Vietnam veteran and move on and be successful.
Right.
And there were a lot of veterans that were able to do that.
They were able to move on in life, and we just hadn't seen that story before.
So it's a happy ending for a Vietnam veteran.
It's a happy ending for a wounded soldier.
Yes.
And I think that was really a positive thing.
That's why so many of our wounded relate to that character, and they want that story for themselves.
They want to be okay and moving on.
It's uh Gary Sinise, Gary Sinese Foundation.org is the website.
Um you've sort of already foreshadowed this because they knew you from the character.
But I wonder when you first started out by now, Gary, we know the hard work that you've done for veterans and first responders.
I want to get in earnest into that in a moment.
But I also know that people coming back from war are are very skeptical and they're very standoffish.
And they're not very trusting.
How'd you make them trust you very quickly?
Was it in fact the character, or did you have to do something extra to to make them understand you were there for good?
Well, I I understand what you mean.
I I mean I can think back to the beginning of when I started going to the war zones and going to the hospitals and that kind of thing.
And I remember one particular soldier he was just, you know, some other well-known uh movie and television personalities had been to the hospital and they kind of came in and out, took their picture and left and and that kind of thing.
So when I got there, I had been there before, but he had he had just gotten there.
And so he was very suspicious and suspect of, you know, a guy from Hollywood coming in and he was angry.
And he and I ended up sitting there with him for about an hour.
And I want I I wanted him to know that I was there for him and that I wasn't there for myself.
And uh, you know, returning time and time and time again.
I think they finally got the picture that I was in it for for good.
Yeah.
It was something that that was I you know, I certainly didn't have to go multiple times to the hospitals or play concerts or do all these different things, but I think after a while, the military community started to see that this was you know, this was just a part of my life and something that I felt was important.
And I kind of earned their trust, and that was important to me.
And keeping their trust and and never losing that is something that that is is just a high priority for me.
And I would never want to be, you know, say something to someone who's wounded or serving or something, uh, promise them something that I couldn't deliver or anything.
So I'm very careful about doing that.
Because I never, you know, I don't want to be one of those guys that just blows in and says, Oh, yeah, here's my card, call me, I'll I'll call you tomorrow, you know, and then you never hear from them.
Well, you certainly prove that you're if I don't think I can deliver something, then I won't I won't offer it.
You've proven that you're not that guy, and and obviously they they do, in fact, understand uh being skeptical at first is okay, but Gary Sinise, the Gary Sinis Foundation is all it's it's you've made your name, and not that you were trying to make a name, but you've made them understand that they can trust you.
I've got a very small um story that I can relate, not that you've asked, but uh you really sort of opened my eyes to this.
I was at the airport once, and there's a guy in full camouflage, he's about to get on a plane and go somewhere.
And I thanked him for his service.
And his response wasn't you're welcome.
His response was, do you know what it's like to be in Fallujah?
Gary, it it made me it it made me sort of turn white and and I got some goosebumps and I I don't.
And then he told me the story of what it's like to be in Fallujah.
This is right when Iraq was getting going.
And um and I felt so bad for this kid.
This guy was 19, 20 years old, and he had a look at his face like, I mean, I have to go back there now.
And I don't know whatever happened with him.
I think I gave him my email address and he never got back to it.
And uh I just sat there with him.
They just uh they'll tell you the story if you're really open to it, and if you're not really there for yourself, if you're there for them.
I think that's what you just said.
Well, yeah, y you know, you never know.
I mean, I always tell people are always asking me what they can do and everything like that.
If you if you pat somebody on the back and uh in an airport like that or something like that, you should be prepared, you know, to give them some time.
Yeah.
Um because they may need it, you know.
You never know if they're on their way to a funeral of a buddy or if they just delivered a buddy to, you know, somewhere uh had to tell the family that uh they'd lost uh uh uh a brother or you don't, you know, maybe he's maybe he'd been in battle for for months and months and lost multiple friends.
Um and you just never know what somebody is going through.
And the you know, this has been a tough, tough war on a lot of people.
They've deployed multiple times.
Uh children have been have grown up, uh generation of children have grown up, grown up with their one or two parents or whatever, uh if they're both serving um away from home multiple times throughout that time that that child is growing up.
You just don't know.
Military life can be a really tough thing on a family.
And I I try to provide some relief, some support, some uplift, um, you know, uh services, whatever we can do, because this has been a been a tough war.
I I I'm I remember, you know, I mean 20 years of Afghanistan, and then you got you come out of Afghanistan and you have that result.
A lot of people are are going through a lot of difficult stuff right now because of the way we we left Afghanistan and how difficult that was.
Gary Sinese Foundation.org is the website.
Go there right now, see how you can help uh assist Gary getting this done as well.
What is the Snowball Express?
I know that you guys just announced this six or seven days ago.
What specifically used that?
Well, Snowball Express was started in 2006 by a few people in the in the Southern California area who wanted to help some of the children who had lost you know a mom or a dad in the war, the children of our fallen heroes.
And so they put an event together at Disneyland in Anaheim.
There was there was a soldier who had been killed, and he he wrote a letter, and in that letter it said, if anything happens to me, make sure the family gets to go to Disneyland.
Wow.
And so that was sort of the catalyst for some people to say, hey, there's a lot of children that are going through that right now.
Let's get them to Disneyland.
So American Airlines jumped on board and started to provide the uh the airline tickets, and I can't I got involved uh the following year in 2007, and and for many, many years, for 10 years, we kept doing Snowball Express, and then we wanted to move it to Disney World.
So we folded it into the Gary Sinese Foundation as one of our initiatives under our relief and resiliency program.
And in 2018, we took over a thousand uh gold star children to Disney World.
We did it in 2019, then of course the pandemic.
So the next two years we were kind of a virtual event.
Uh, and then last year we took them uh took almost nearly two thousand people, you know, with the guardians and you know, all the children and the volunteers and everybody that comes to help.
Uh, we have multiple corporate partners.
So Snowball Express is this gold star event for our military.
And now we've expanded it because first responders have always been a part of my foundation and supporting them in various ways.
We build homes for police officers that have been wounded or firefighters, whatever.
And now we want to we want to do the same thing for our first responder children.
So we've expanded this massive event that we're doing at Disney World in December, and we'll do a military child event, and then we'll do a first responder child event right after that.
My band plays every year.
Uh it's a lot of a lot of fun for the kids, but it's also very it's very healing because all these kids are coming together from all over the country and they're meeting other children that are going through the same thing, the loss of a parent in service to our country or our communities, and and we want to let them know that they're not alone.
We love them, we appreciate them, and we're not going to forget them.
I love what you're doing for them.
I love what you're doing for first responders and for soldiers.
I I hate that that soldier died, but his legacy is he wrote the letter.
And that letter was the impetus for you to get on board and and the airlines get on board and Disney the everybody uh everybody else.
I just love that it's come together like this, and this must be life-changing for a lot of these families and children.
Go and support what Gary Sinis does.
Gary Sinis Foundation.org, Gary Sinis Foundation.org.
I feel like I could talk to you for three hours.
Let's do it again soon, can we, Gary?
I would love to, Joe.
Thank you.
Anytime.
I really appreciate it.
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Meta would hate for me to get over two hundred thousand followers on Instagram.
We're at one ninety-four one ninety-five now.
Go to at Joe Talk Show on Instagram at Joe Talk Show there.
My show's next, a longer interview with uh Gary Sinny's.
Ben Carson will be on there.
Can't thank Linda enough.
Can't thank Ethan enough and Sean have a good couple of days off.
Have a great weekend.
Be safe for fourth of July.
Joe Pags out.
We'll talk soon.
Feels like I'm seeing more all the time.
And of course, we're talking about home title theft.
Now these criminals go online, they find your title, and then fraudulently transferred that title into their name.
Now this leaves you with nothing.
Now, Linda, our friends at Home Title Lock.com, they showed you and me whoa how easy it is for these criminals to steal your home.
Took them less than six minutes.
They monitor the largest database of property records in the U.S. 247.
They will alert you the instant any criminal tries to mess with your title.
And if the worst happens, Home Title Lock's team of title restoration specialists right here in the U.S., they will hire the lawyers and the experts that it takes to save your home.
That's protection.
Now that's the protection that you need.
And our friends at Home Title Lock, they will give you the first thirty days of protection free, and they'll start you off with a free title scan to see if you are already a victim.
Just go to Home Titolo Lock.com slash Sean.
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