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June 2, 2023 - Sean Hannity Show
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Accountability in Government - June 2nd, Hour 2
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So last night at the town hall, just outside of Des Moines, Iowa.
By the way, the people were amazing.
They were just, they were phenomenal.
We had a great time just meeting and saying hi, throwing footballs to them, etc.
But anyway, so the president said a couple of things that really stood out to me.
And it's something that I've kind of believed, and that is every problem we now have caused by Joe Biden is, you know, it's all preventable and it's all solvable, very fixable.
I mean, we can get the border under control, in my view, in no time.
We can get back to energy independence, you know, just unleash on day one America's energy producers and they'll do their job.
They're dying to get up and running the way they were.
You know, similarly, if you ever wanted to fix the school system, that's not hard.
It's not hard to hire police and refund them, get rid of these insane no-bail laws, et cetera.
One of the things that stood out to me is he said if he was elected, no, I'll turn this country around in six months.
Listen.
I want to know, if you get elected president, how fast are you going to be able to fix our borders, bring us back to energy independence, how quickly you might be able to work to change the school system, bring back law and order and safety and security to this country and every town and every city, because I think people need that if they want to pursue happiness.
How quickly can you shift gears and move this country?
I think very quickly.
Let me just say, so I heard DeSankis saying, oh, well, I get eight years.
I get eight years.
He gets four.
You don't need four and you don't need eight.
You need six months.
Within six months, I said, within six months, this can be done.
Other than, other than you don't need eight years.
And frankly, I wouldn't vote for him because he said, you need eight years.
You need six months.
Okay, so he said that.
And then he also said the military has gone woke, which, by the way, it has.
And if we're going to give more money, I got to tell you something.
That's got to stop.
Our military is great.
A lot of things going on with our military with the woke and all this nonsense.
They're not learning to fight and protect us from some very bad people.
They want to go woke.
They want to go woke.
That's all they talk about now.
I see letters that are being sent.
It's horrible.
I mean, it's really a serious problem.
That would end immediately.
But when you look at what we did, we rebuilt.
We rebuilt our military.
All right, with all that said, we welcome to the program Secretary David Bernhardt.
He served as the 53rd U.S. Secretary of the Interior working in the Trump administration from 2019 to 2021, author of the new book, You Report to Me, Accountability for Failing the Administrative State.
And anyway, to talk about the state of the union, I mean, now pretty much every single government department in Washington has either, well, has both.
They have woke policies, A, and they have B, climate alarmist, religious, cult, Green New Deal policies that are heavily funded with billions of taxpayer dollars.
And at some point, you got to ask yourself, well, why are we wasting all of this money?
And I guess that goes into the big debate that we had this week with Congress and last night in the Senate over, you know, this new debt ceiling increase.
And, well, the real fight is going to be when we get to appropriations.
That's sometime in December.
Anyway, Secretary Bernhardt, good to have you.
How are you, sir?
Thanks for having me.
I'm fantastic.
All right.
Let's talk about how bad is it?
It wasn't bad under Donald Trump, but you see the amount of money allocated towards Green New Deal projects.
You see the amount of money that is allocated towards even woke in our military.
And I'm thinking, are you guys not watching what China is doing?
They're not woke.
They're building the baddest, meanest, toughest, kick-ass military in the hopes that they will displace America as the world's sole superpower.
And correct me if you think I'm wrong.
Well, the bottom line is that this is the, you know, these are central policies, central policies of this administration.
And, you know, they're hostile to traditional sources of clean American energy.
I mean, that's just a reality.
They have a worldview.
They've decided what the worldview is.
And they're using the machinery of government to move that worldview as far forward as fast as they humanly can.
And that's unlikely to change in the next 600 days.
I mean, I think there's going to take an election, and the American people's going to have to decide are they wanting to head that direction or not.
But if they choose to pivot, if the American people choose to pivot, the reality is that President Trump is spot on.
It doesn't take that much time to change direction.
Some of these things are just as simple as flipping a light switch.
But what they do take is they take a will to do it.
And more importantly, they take the resolve to do it after people begin to say, hey, you know, this is going to be something that not everyone in the world likes.
And I've served in two administrations.
I did eight years under George W. Bush, and I did four years under President Trump.
And let me tell you, when President Trump wanted to go, we went.
And at Interior, we had a policy that envisioned that was very consistent with exactly what the president wanted to do, and we implemented it.
And we implemented in four years, frankly, more positive things than I did in the same agency in eight.
So the reality is that the government can move as fast as the president wants it to, provided he puts some people in place and issues clear direction and stays consistent.
You can move the government quickly if you choose to.
You talk at length in your book about the growth of the federal government, unaccounted bureaucracy, unelected rulemakers, and you report how civil servants within agencies make it their mission to obstruct and slow down or in some cases, even simply ignore orders of a president, in the case of you working for Trump specifically.
What happened?
Absolutely.
In the book, you report to me, Accountability for the Failing Administrative State.
We actually have an entire section of vignettes from political appointees in the Trump administration where they were affected horribly negatively.
And I give examples throughout the book of efforts to obstruct policy.
But the point of the book is that even with those efforts, you can overcome them, and there are solutions.
And the last half of the book is nothing but here are the solutions that the president needs to engage in.
Here's the solutions that we think Congress would be helpful for Congress.
And frankly, the courts are already beginning to point things in the right direction in the last two Supreme Court terms.
And so I am very optimistic about the future if we can have leaders that are willing to say we need better results for the American people.
This stuff can be fixed.
Accountability can be driven into the system, but it takes a willingness and a resolve to do it.
So I want to ask about this, the administrative state.
How bloated do you believe it is?
What percentage could we comfortably cut back on knowing that government is big, bloated, out of control, and the amount of money is coming from the American taxpayer just astronomical?
If we don't get this budget imbalance shortly, I think it just spirals out of control to the point of no return as even simple interest, especially higher interest rates, are just going to become unmanageable, and I'm not sure if you ever return.
Well, first off, you're right.
And secondly, here's the reality.
I testified in front of Congress a lot.
I testified about our budget a lot.
And here's the question I never got.
What are your goals?
And is each project or program accomplishing them?
We don't even have in the review process, what is the outcome we're trying to achieve, and have we done it?
And if we ask that question, we might decide that the vast majority of federal programs could be done better or more effectively, or maybe it's not a problem we need to spend any more time on.
That is the real question that people don't ask in government.
If you go up and present a budget, they ask you about the marginal increase that you're making.
Most of them don't want it to, they want it to go higher, not lower.
And they want to think about the new programs they want to develop.
They don't want to ask, have we won the war on poverty?
And if not, what should we be doing differently?
And maybe we don't need 2.2 million civil servants to accomplish the objective that we have.
Those are just simply questions that no one asks in Washington, D.C., Sean.
Let me ask you this.
Your book highlighted some prominent leaders.
Like, you know, I've been a strong critic of the government's COVID response.
And by the way, in fairness to them, in the beginning, I think everybody gave them enough latitude and slack because nobody really knew what we were dealing with, the extent of what we were dealing with.
And so there's going to be a learning curve in an environment like that.
So I'm not only full of criticism, but as time went on, and especially learning that we had NIH money going to the Eco Alliance group, funneled money to the Wuhan Virology Lab, where everybody knew gain of function research took place and also coronavirus research took place.
That to me is, you know, I feel we were flat out lied to, and there's been no accountability.
You know, you highlight in the book, for example, one leader, Dr. Burks, boasting about the ways that she would work around the plan of the president and the will of the president and just basically take it upon herself to do what she wanted, not what he wanted.
I found that section of her book unbelievable because it lays out specifically, she calls her efforts a workaround around the leadership in the White House, a workaround.
And then here's the thing that's amazing to me, Sean.
It's not that she did it.
You know, as a political appointee, you expect people to try and have views and maybe not handle them in the right way.
And it's on you to watch out for that.
But here's what's amazing.
She wrote a book and touted it.
In any other organization, that would be insubordination.
And if you did it, you wouldn't write a book and say how great it is.
And my point in including that in this book is it is one of the best examples of just how far the bureaucracy has gone from their role, which is to be helpful to whomever's elected to drive thoughtful measures forward to ensure that there's that every factor is appropriately considered to be helpful,
not to engage in, you know, quote, workarounds because I don't like the policy or I don't like the answer.
There's a process for resolving issues, and that process can be taken up by anybody.
But there's not a process of these workarounds.
And it just said how far the bureaucracy has gotten from where it should be.
And more importantly, here's the real problem.
If the bureaucracy is going to ignore the president, then what is the point of you voting, Sean?
There's none.
It means nothing.
If they're just going to do what they want, they've anointed themselves king or queen or whatever the case may be.
And we can't have that.
Bottom line is we can't have that.
I agree completely.
And that's what's happened.
To basically say, here's the problem, folks.
We need to understand it.
And here are the solutions.
And hopefully people pick it up and run with them.
The book's phenomenal.
It's in bookstores all across the country.
It's on Amazon.com.
I'll put a link up on Hannity.com.
And it's called You Report to Me, Accountability for the Failing Administrative State.
We really appreciate you being with us.
David Bernhardt, thank you so much.
We appreciate it.
Thanks a lot.
Let's hit our busy phones here.
800-941 Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, Big Don Lake Ron Konkama out on Long Island.
Don, what are you doing in New York?
You need to go down to Florida with your family.
I do need to go down to Florida with my family.
And I have half of my daughters are here and the other daughter's down there.
So it's tough.
I would go with the smarter half of the family down there.
Yeah, I do see myself doing that real soon.
You know, Sean, it's always uplifting to see patriotic Americans defy rainy weather at that Iowa town hall last night to attend an enthusiastic town hall meeting.
It was great.
Do you ever run out of questions when you're interviewing President Trump?
I mean, he really.
Well, I mean, he's an easy interview, to be very honest.
Look, and I actually said this on the program, and some liberals picked up, and they think this is outrageous that I said this.
I don't view my role in a town hall environment.
Now, certainly a lot of the time we spent last night, and we're going to have part two tonight, and we're running a half hour of Donald Trump only taking questions from the town hall audience, not me.
So I got my questions, and I could have gone on another, you know, I can go five hours with somebody like Donald Trump who's interesting.
So, no, I don't run out of questions, and the town hall attendees didn't run out because we'll air that tonight.
You know what?
It was interesting last night.
President Trump was very concerned and sympathetic about Biden's fall yesterday and his cognitive retreat.
I found that very interesting yesterday.
He was very.
By the way, it was a true story what he told.
He said to me, we were talking on the phone one day.
He goes, I think you're being, and I'm not sure this is good to be mocking the president over the fact that he's a cognitive mess.
And that's when I was talking about Sippy Cup and warm milky and night-night stories.
And, you know, it was my way to kind of my attempted humor.
But even on my own, I just realized, you know what?
This isn't really funny.
Yesterday was not funny to me.
Well, you know, him tripping off, climbing the stairs at Airport Ors 1 is not funny anymore.
It's not only humiliating and embarrassing, but it's scary because he's the president with all that power.
I got a roll, though.
We love you, Don.
Have a great weekend.
If I was you, go down to Florida.
We're not going to be far behind, I promise.
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All right, let's get to our phones.
Randy is in Florida.
Randy, how are you?
Glad you called.
I'm doing good, Sean.
How are you?
I'm good.
Glad you checked in.
Welcome from the free state of Florida.
What's going on?
Absolutely.
Longtime listener.
Love the show.
I just wanted to comment.
I live in Florida.
I live on the ground in Florida, not behind the gates of Mar-a-Lago.
And I voted for Donald Trump twice.
I'll vote for him again.
But that becomes less likely every time he insists on attacking my governor and my state, the state that lives in.
It's ironic to me, okay?
And at a certain point, he can run on his record.
He can run on all the facts, and there's no need to do that.
Well, what did you think of the answer that he gave me last night when I asked him that question?
Well, I agreed with all of it, but it's whining at this point.
We all know what happened.
We all saw what happened.
We're all angry.
We're all angry about what happened.
Well, let me ask you this.
With knowing what happened, because everybody in this audience is hip and up to speed on all that they did to him.
And the Durham report just, you know, it corroborated the absolute depths of depravity, frankly, immorality even, of the deep state and the outright lying to destroy one human being.
And it went on for three years and nobody was held accountable.
If it happened to you, do you think you might be a little different?
I'd be exactly like he is.
I don't think I would.
Oh, you got to pause there.
If it happened to me, I'd be exactly like he is.
But with the exception that I wouldn't lash out at people that are supposed to be on the same side that I'm on.
Okay, I would be.
Look, I tend to agree with you.
I would prefer they not be fighting.
Now, I'm old enough to have been through enough of these primaries that I can tell you with certainty.
At some point, if you got a close primary, it's going to get to this point.
It's going to be outright war.
You know, we saw it with Bush and McCain in 2000.
I mean, anytime there is a primary, at some point they go to war.
I wish they weren't starting at war.
Yeah, exactly.
I'm 66 years old.
I know.
I've been through all these, and I get that.
I just to come out of the gate with someone that supported you, and frankly, in my opinion, this is just my opinion.
I like a lot of the candidates, is the only other person in the race that has the fortitude.
I did ask the president in a previous interview.
I don't know if you saw this exchange.
I said, okay, tell me about you and Ron DeSantis.
You guys were friends.
What happened?
That was the entire question.
And he went on to answer, you know, and he said he doesn't believe he would have even gotten the nomination over Putnam had he not stepped in to help Ron.
Ron was not polling well at the time.
Now, if you remember in 2018, I remember distinctly how close it was down in Florida, polls showing that both Rick Scott and Ron DeSantis could lose.
And I remember discussions that I had with Trump that he needs to get his, you know what, down there and start campaigning hard for those guys that we're going to lose Florida, meaning lose the governorship and lose the Senate seat.
And I didn't want to see that happen.
So from his perspective, whether you agree with it or not agree with it, now he played a major role in Ron winning that first race.
And he's like, oh, so this is how you pay me back by running against me.
Again, I'm only giving his perspective.
Yeah, no.
And I would say from Ron's perspective, he said, yeah, you backed me.
You backed the right guy, and I did a good job.
And I did a good job, and I supported you right back in 2020.
Okay.
I mean, bottom line.
But challenging him directly is where the rub is.
Do you see that?
Well, exactly.
And frankly, Donald Trump has every right to be angry.
I'm angry.
I'm angry at the RMC.
I think that they do nothing but talk.
I told them four or five years ago, you got to get on the ground.
The Democrats are on the ground.
They've got a ground game.
They're in every precinct, in every small town in this nation, and the Republicans are twiddling their thumbs and saying, oh, it'll be all right if we just play nice.
The Democrats aren't going to play nice.
They crucified Donald Trump.
I vote for him in a heartbeat, but he needs to back off my state.
Oh, he's also, listen, let me tell you something.
The Democrats see that Ron is the closest number two, okay?
As of today, President Trump has a big lead in the polls, but they see Ron as, you know, who knows what's going to happen between now and Election Day.
You know, these legal issues should concern anybody and everybody in Trump world, in my view.
Okay, so they're looking at Ron.
They're already trying to tear him limb from limb.
You see that, right?
Oh, absolutely.
And they will do that to any Republican that they deem to be a potential threat.
That is who they are.
That is how they operate.
They're not going to change.
They are not going to change.
They'll go lower.
They'll go lower.
They'll go dirtier.
They're on the ground again.
My question would be, are the Republicans doing anything different this time?
Because they will get into the polling places.
They will get into these precincts.
As of now, the answer is no, which is why I keep talking about it.
And you're the only one talking about it.
Thank you, by the way.
I emailed Donald Trump five years ago, begging him.
And what's her name, Ms. McDaniel?
Ronna McDaniel.
Look, the Republicans better get in the game of overcoming whatever objections around the country a lot of Republicans and conservatives have towards early voting and mail-in voting.
You've got to get rid of it.
And the second thing is, is legal ballot harvesting.
It's legal in so many different states in this country, and Republicans are not in that game.
You can't start out Election Day down by hundreds of thousands of votes and count on having the ability to catch up and win.
No, and I still don't think they have feet on the ground in these precincts.
They need to have one in every precinct in this country.
They need to do the same thing Democrats did.
Be there.
Be in there where you can make a difference.
They got out.
Your Republicans got outplayed.
I've emailed everybody from senators to congressmen and everybody and begged him to please do something besides talk and let this happen again because this is probably our last shot.
Now that I'm making it more loud and more public, I can tell you that they are taking notice, but the changes are not in place.
And until they are, I'm not going to shut up.
Okay.
Well, I appreciate you very much.
I called you because you're the one guy I hear it from.
All right, Randy.
God bless you, man.
Enjoy the free state of Florida as I'm trapped up here in the hellhole known as New York.
800-941 Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, Paul is in Chicago.
What are you doing in Chicago?
That's even worse than New York.
Well, I'm actually at the airport getting ready to fly to beautiful Charlottesville.
So hopefully I'll get a little reprieve from the Communist Republic of Chicago.
Well, maybe you should make it a one-way ticket and just stay there and pick out a house and move.
I'm already planning to get out of here in a year, so that's part of it.
Good for you.
By the way, most people I know they're getting out of all these big blue states with the draconian taxes and regulations.
Anyway, what's on your mind this Friday?
Well, I kind of wanted to take the speaker and you to task over this deal that's happened.
And what this has made me think about the past few weeks is that, you know, it's not just the Democrat propaganda machine that's out there spinning.
I think that the Republican propaganda machine is just as effective, but not against Democrats, actually against Republicans.
And, you know, this whole, we're going to shut down the government, we're not going to negotiate, well, maybe we will.
Or we're going to go after, you know, Director Wright.
We're going to hold him in contempt.
Well, maybe not.
We'll go sit in office and do what he wants.
Or we're going to go after Lois Lerner, who's now making millions on the speaking circuit.
The propaganda machine is keeping us hopeful.
And in my opinion, and part of the term, I think we've become useful idiots.
We're being used for an election cycle.
They're going to throw out things like oversight and special counsels and congressional hearings.
And we're going to get all hyped up and say, maybe this time it's going to happen.
And it's not.
And those of us out here who are craving some change and our businesses are dying.
Our education systems are dying.
I work about eight months a year just to pay taxes here in Illinois.
We need that change.
And, you know, if they're afraid a piece of paper being held by Christopher Wray is going to destabilize the government, well, maybe it needs to.
Maybe we need to go through that hard bump in the road and have a reset that makes sense for the country, not just.
Well, in some ways, I mean, Christopher Wray, you know, capitulated.
You know, now they're, I guess, first they agreed to let him see it, but with redactions, now I understand they're going to let him see it without redactions.
The interesting part of that equation is Comer and Grassley already saw it, and they had to get the FBI to acknowledge that they had it.
And I think one of the reasons is why, you know, these are very specific, they say credible allegations that, in fact, Joe Biden took specific actions based on monies that were going to his family enterprise.
Now, if that's true, that would be, you know, an allegation of bribery, high crimes, misdemeanors, and he would be impeached over that.
And that's something that he could get convicted for if that's proven.
And I agree with that one piece of paper.
But you know that the path that led to that piece of paper is very long and involves many, many people, both those appointed and those elected.
This is not a one-of kind of deal where someone goes rogue on their own and collects money while they're vice president.
So I think there's a lot more to this that the FBI and the powers that be don't want us to know.
But, you know, we're going to do things like pass the border protection bill in the House, knowing full well that's just virtue signaling.
It has absolutely zero chance of going through with this.
Well, I think they're laying down markers, and then it's a matter of whether they hold them accountable.
I think conservatives would appreciate him that much more.
I think the stronger they fight, the better they do.
Fighting hard is good politics.
Keeping promises is good politics.
Anyway, good call.
Appreciate it, Paul.
Enjoy your trip, by the way.
800-941, Sean, if you want to be a part of the program.
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Back to our phones, 800-941- Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, John in Oklahoma, John, how are you?
Glad you called.
Hi, Sean.
I really appreciate you taking my call.
I'm a long-time listener, longer-time watcher, and I want to thank you for everything that you do.
Well, I appreciate it.
I've been to Norman, Oklahoma more times than I can count because of my kids and sports.
What's on your mind today?
Yeah, Sean, a great job last night with the interview in town hall with President Trump.
You know, I'm concerned about President Trump's electability.
You know, with him going low with negative ads on DeSantis a month before he starts, all these kind of, you know, just kind of childish nicknames.
And, you know, he kind of recently sort of called out and went after Tayley McKinney.
And I was his number one person, you know, and, you know, for, you know, as part of his cabinet.
So I'm just concerned that the negatives are going to outweigh any possible.
Well, I asked him the question almost verbatim last night.
What did you think of his answer?
Well, it was a, I thought you, again, you didn't want to put him totally on the spot and say, hey, what's with the name calling?
And I get that.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
I said specifically name calling.
Yeah, you did.
You did.
But he didn't answer it because you threw in there, you know, why do you fight back so much?
And that's kind of what he focused on.
Listen, I thought it was funny back in 2016 with Crook and Hillary.
I thought it was funnier with Sleepy Joe.
I just don't think in party, I just think it's unbecoming of him.
And if he's a team player, and I know there's no IN team, but if he wants to win, you know, he's got to turn things around and be a little bit more appealing to independents and moderates.
That was the premise of my question as well.
I said almost verbatim what you just concluded with.
Look, that's going to be up to him.
I will tell you this.
Whatever the issues are, beyond peace and prosperity, which we know is on the ballot in every election, whatever the issues are, you know, I think Americans have to accept one thing.
If you want a president that's going to fight like hell for a border and energy independence and fight like hell against China and North Korea, you know, and NATO and globalist forces and the WHO and the WEF and all these groups, the Paris Climate Accords, then, you know, there's not a switch in somebody's mind.
I've kind of accepted that there's not a switch in his head that's going to say, oh, okay, I'm going to be a fighter, you know, 24-7 when I'm working, but then all of a sudden I'm going to turn it off while I'm campaigning.
Does that make sense to you?
So I kind of just accept it.
It makes sense.
Yeah, it absolutely makes sense.
Listen, we love Trump policies, okay?
I'm just saying the Sabrina.
Do you think he would benefit himself more if he not moderated, but if he was a little bit more selective in the use of the fight?
I got it.
I understand.
But you know what?
That's going to come down to the Republican primary voters and ultimately the general election voters.
But don't forget on the other side, you got a corpse that can't stand on his own two feet and can't think on his own two feet.
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