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June 2, 2023 - Sean Hannity Show
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Accountability in Government - June 2nd, Hour 2
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So last night at the town hall, uh just outside of Des Moines, Iowa.
By the way, the people were amazing.
They were just they were phenomenal.
We had a great time just meeting in and saying hi, throwing footballs to them, et cetera.
Uh, but anyway, so the president said a couple of things that really stood out to me.
And it's something that I've kind of believed, and that is every problem we now have caused by Joe Biden, is you know, it's all preventable and it's all solvable, very fixable.
I mean, we can get the border under control, in my view, in no time.
We can get back to energy independence, you know, just unleash on day one America's energy producers, and and they'll do their job.
They're they're they're dying to get up and running the way they were.
Um, you know, similarly, if you ever wanted to fix the school system, that's not hard.
It's not hard to hire police uh and refund them, uh, get rid of these insane no bail laws, etc.
One of the things that stood out to me is he said if he was elected, uh, no, I'll turn this country around in six months.
Listen.
I want to know if you get elected president, how fast you're gonna be able to fix our borders, bring us back to energy independence, how quickly you might be able to work to change the school system, bring back law and order and safety and security to this country and every town and every city, because I think people need that if they want to pursue happiness.
How quickly can you can you shift gears and move this country?
I think very quickly.
Let me just say so.
I heard DeSantis saying, Oh, well, I get eight years, I get eight years, he gets four.
You don't need four, and you don't need eight.
You need six months within six months, I said within six months, this can be done.
Other than other than you don't need eight years, and frankly, I wouldn't vote for him because he said you need eight years, you need six months.
Okay, so he said that, and then he also said the military has gone woke, which by the way, it has, and if we're gonna give more money, um, I gotta tell you something, that's gotta stop.
Our military is great.
Uh, a lot of things going on with our military with the woke and all this nonsense, and not f they're not learning to fight and protect us from some very bad people.
They want to go woke.
They want to go woke.
That's all they talk about now.
I see letters that are being sent.
It's horrible.
I mean, it's really a serious problem.
That would end immediately.
But when you look at what we did, we we rebuilt, we rebuilt our military.
All right, with all that said, uh, we welcome to the program uh Secretary David Bernhardt.
He served as the 53rd U.S. Secretary of the Interior uh working in the Trump administration from 2019 to 2021, author of the new book, you report to me accountability for failing administr the administrative state, and uh anyway, to talk about the State of the Union.
I mean, now pretty much every single government department in Washington has either well has both.
They have woke policies, A, and they have B, climate alarmist, religious cult, Green New Deal policies that are heavily funded with billions of taxpayer dollars.
And at some point, you gotta ask yourself, Well, why are we wasting all of this money?
And I guess that goes into the big debate that we had this week with Congress and and last night in the Senate over, you know, this new debt ceiling increase.
And well, the real fight is gonna be when we get to uh appropriations, that's sometime in December.
Anyway, Secretary Bernhardt, good to have you.
How are you, sir?
Thanks for having me.
I'm fantastic.
All right, let's talk about, you know, how bad is it?
It wasn't bad under Donald Trump, but you see the amount of money allocated towards Green New Deal projects.
You see the amount of money that is allocated towards, you know, even even woke in our military, and I'm thinking, are you guys not watching what China is doing?
They're not woke.
They're building the baddest, meanest, toughest kick-ass military in the hopes that they will displace America as the world's sole superpower.
And correct me if you think I'm wrong.
Well, the bottom line is that this is the you know, these are central policies, central policies of this administration.
And you know, they're they're hostile to um traditional sources of uh clean American energy.
I mean, that's just a reality.
They have a they have a worldview.
They've decided what the world view is, and they're using the machinery of government to move that worldview for as far forward as fast as they humanly can.
And that's unlikely to change uh in the next, you know, six hundred days.
I mean, I think that there's going to take an election and the American people's going to have to decide are they wanting to add that direction or not.
But if uh if they choose to pivot, if the American people choose to pivot, the reality is that President Trump is spot on.
It doesn't take um that much time uh to change direction.
Some of these things are just as simple as flipping a light switch.
But what they do take is they take a will to do it.
And more importantly, they take the resolve to do it after people begin to say, hey, you know, this is a this is going to be um something that not everyone in the world likes.
And I've I've served in two administrations.
I did eight years under George W. Bush and I did four years under President Trump.
And let me tell you, when President Trump wanted to go, um we went and um at Interior we had a policy that envisioned that was very consistent with exactly what the President wanted to do and we implemented it.
And we implemented in four years, frankly, more positive things than I did in the same agency in eight.
So the reality is that the government can move as fast as the President wants it to, provided he puts some people in place and issues clear direction and stays consistent.
You can move the government quickly if you choose to you talk at length in your book about the growth of the federal government, unaccounted bureaucracy, unelected rule makers and you report how you know civil servants within agencies, you know, make it their mission to obstruct and slow down or or in some cases even simply ignore orders of a president in the case of you working for Trump specifically.
What happened?
Absolutely we are the in the book you report to me accountability for the failing administrative state we actually have an entire section of vignettes from political appointees in the Trump administration where they were affected uh horribly negatively.
Um in in and I give examples throughout the book of efforts to obstruct policy.
But but the point of the book is that um even with those efforts you can overcome them and there are solutions and the last half of the book is nothing but here are the solutions that the President needs to engage in.
Here's the solutions that we think Congress would be uh it would be helpful for Congress and frankly the courts are already beginning to point things in the right direction uh in the last two Supreme Court terms.
And so I am very optimistic about the future if we can have leaders that are willing to say we need better results for the American people.
Um this stuff can be fixed um accountability can be driven into the system but it takes a willingness and a resolve to do it.
So I want to ask about this the administrative state how bloated do you believe it is what percentage could we comfortably cut back on knowing that government is big bloated out of control and you know the amount of money is coming from the American taxpayer just astronomical.
You know I if we don't get this balance this budget imbalance shortly I I I think it just spirals out of the out of control to the point of no return as even simple interest, especially higher interest rates, um are are are just going to become unmanageable and I'm not sure if you ever return.
Well first off you're right and secondly here's the reality I testified in front of Congress a lot.
I testified about our budget a lot.
And here's the question I never got what are your goals and is each project or program accomplishing them.
We don't we don't even have um in in the uh review process what is the outcome we're trying to achieve and have we done it and if we ask that question we might decide that the vast majority of federal programs could be done better or more effectively or maybe it's not a problem we need to spend any more time on.
That is the real question that people don't ask in government.
If you go up and present a budget they ask you about the marginal Increase that you're making.
Most of them don't want it to they want it to go higher, not lower, and they want to think about the new programs they want to develop.
They don't want to ask, have we won the war on poverty?
And if not, what should we be doing differently?
And maybe we don't need 2.2 million civil servants to accomplish the objective that we have.
Those are just simply questions that no one asks in Washington, D.C. Sean.
Let me ask you this, your book highlighted some prominent leaders.
Like, you know, I've been a strong critic of the government's COVID response.
And by the way, in fairness to them, in the beginning, I think everybody gave them enough latitude and slack because nobody really knew what we were dealing with, the extent of what we were dealing with.
And so there's going to be a learning curve in an environment like that.
So I'm I'm I'm I'm not only full of criticism, but as time went on, and especially learning that we we had NA NIH money going to the Eco uh Alliance group uh funneled money to the Wuhan Virology Lab where everybody knew gain of function research took place and also coronavirus research took place.
That to me is is you know I feel we were flat out lied to, and there's been no accountability.
You know, you highlight in the book, for example, uh one leader, Dr. Burks, boasting about the ways that she would work around the plan of the president and the will of the president and just basically take it upon herself to do what she wanted, not what he wanted.
I I found that section of her book unbelievable because it lays out specifically, she calls her efforts a workaround around the leadership in the White House, a workaround.
And then here's the thing that's amazing to me, Sean.
It's not that she did it.
You know, as a political appointee, you expect people to to try and have views and maybe not handle them in the right way, and it's on you to to watch out for that.
But but here's what's amazing.
She wrote a book and touted it.
You know, in any other organization, that would be insubordination.
And if you did it, you wouldn't write a book and say how great it is.
And my point in c including that in this book is it is one of the best examples of just how far the bureaucracy is gone from their role, which is to be helpful to whomever's elected to drive um,
you know, thoughtful um measures forward to ensure that there's um you know that every factor's appropriately considered to to be helpful, not to um engage in, you know, quote workarounds because I don't like the policy or I don't like the answer.
There's a process for resolving um issues, and that process can be taken up by anybody, but there's not a process of these workarounds, and it just said how far the bureaucracy has gotten from where um it should be, and more importantly, here's the real problem.
If the bureaucracy is going to ignore the president, then what is the point of you voting, Sean?
There's none of that.
It means nothing.
If they're just gonna do what they want, uh they've anointed themselves king or queen or whatever the case may be.
And we can't have that.
Bottom line is we can't have that.
So I agree completely.
And that's that's what's happened.
We need to understand it, and here are the solutions, and hopefully uh people pick it up and run with them.
The book's phenomenal.
Uh it's on it's in bookstores all across the country.
It's on Amazon.com.
I'll put a link up on Hannity.com, and it's called You Report to Me, uh Accountability for the Failing Administrative State.
Uh we really appreciate you being with us.
Uh David Bernhardt, thank you so much.
We appreciate it.
Thanks a lot.
Let's hit our busy phones here.
800 941 Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, Big Don Lake Ron Concama out on Long Island.
Don, what are you doing in New York?
You need to go down to Florida with your family.
I do need to go down to Florida with my family.
And uh I have half of my my half of my daughters are here and the other daughters down there, so it's uh it's tough.
I I would go with the smarter half of the family down there.
Yeah, I I I do see myself doing that real soon.
You know, Sean, it's uh always uplifting to see uh Patriotic Americans defy rainy weather at that uh Iowa Caucus at Iowa Town Hall last night to attend uh an enthusiastic town hall meeting.
It was great.
Um do you ever run out of questions when you're interviewing President Trump?
I mean, he really never, I mean he's an easy interview to be very honest.
Um because you know, look, I and I actually said this on the program, and and some liberals picked up and they think this is outrageous that I said this.
Um I I don't view my role in a town hall environment.
Now uh uh certainly a lot of the the time we spent last night, now we're gonna have part two tonight.
And we're we're running a half hour of Donald Trump only taking questions from the town hall audience, not me.
So I got my questions, and I I I could have gone on another, you know, I can go five hours with with somebody like Donald Trump who's interesting.
Yep.
Um so no, I don't run out of questions, and the town hall attendees didn't run out, because we'll air that tonight.
No, what it was interesting last night.
The President Trump was very concerned and sympathetic about uh Biden's you know fall yesterday and uh you know his cognitive uh retreat.
Um I found that very interesting yesterday.
He was very uh By the way, it was a true story what he told.
He said to me, we were talking on the phone one day.
I think he goes, I think you're being uh I I'm not sure this is this is good to be mocking the president over the fact that he's a cognitive mess.
And that's when I was talking about Sippy Cup and Warm Milky and night night stories, and you know, it was my way to kind of my attempted humor, but even um on my own, I just realized you know what, this isn't really funny.
Yesterday was not funny to me.
Well, you know, him tripping off a uh climbing the stairs of Air Force Orse one is not is not funny anymore.
It's it's not only humiliating and embarrassing, but it's scary because he's the president with all that power.
Um I gotta roll though.
Uh we love you, Don.
Have a great weekend.
Uh, if I was you, go down to Florida.
We're not gonna be far behind, I promise.
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All right, let's get to our phones.
Randy is in Florida.
Randy, how are you?
Glad you called.
I'm doing good, Sean.
How are you?
I'm good.
Glad you uh checked in.
Welcome uh from the free state of Florida.
What's going on?
Absolutely.
Uh long time listener, love the show.
Uh I just wanted to comment.
I live in Florida.
I live on the ground in Florida, not behind the gates of Mar-a-Lago.
And I voted for Donald Trump twice.
I'll vote for him again.
Um but that becomes less likely every time he insists on uh attacking my governor and my state.
The state citizens.
It's ironic to me.
Okay.
And at a certain point, he can run on his record.
He can run on all the facts.
And there's no need to do that.
Well, what did you think of the answer that he gave me last night when I asked him that question?
Um well, I agreed with all of it, but it's whining at this point.
We all know what happened.
We all saw what happened.
We're all angry that we're all angry about what happened.
Well, let me ask you this.
Knowing what happened, because everybody in this audience is hip and up to speed on all that they did to him, and the Durham report just...
You know, it corroborated the absolute depths of depravity, frankly, immorality even of the deep state and and the out the outright lying to destroy one human being and and it went on for three years and nobody was held accountable.
If it happened to you, do you think you might be a little different?
Uh I'd be exactly like he is.
I don't think I would Oh, we gotta you gotta pause there.
If it happened to me, I would be exactly like he is.
But uh uh with the exception that I wouldn't lash out at people that are uh supposed to be on the same side of them that I'm on.
Okay, I would be look I I tend to agree with you.
I would prefer they not be fighting.
Now I'm much uh I'm old enough to have been through enough of these primaries to that I can tell you with certainty.
At some point, if you got a close primary, it's it's it's gonna get to this point.
It's gonna be outright war.
You know, we saw it with Bush and McCain in two thousand.
I mean, any time there is a primary, at some point they go to war.
I wish they weren't starting at war.
Um yeah, exactly.
Uh yeah, I'm sixty-six years old, I know I've been through all these, and I I get that.
Uh I just uh just to come out of the gate with someone that supported you, and frankly, in my opinion, this is just my opinion.
I I like a lot of the candidates, is the only other person in the in the race that that has the uh fortitude uh I I did ask the president in the previous interview, I don't know if you saw this this exchange.
I said, Okay, tell me about you and Ron DeSantis.
You guys were friends.
What happened?
That was the entire question.
And and he went on to answer.
You know, and he said he doesn't believe he would have even gotten the nomination over Putnam had he not stepped in to help Ron.
Uh Ron was not polling well at the time.
Now, if you remember in twenty eighteen, I'm I remember distinctly how close it was down in Florida, polls showing that both Rick Scott and Ron DeSantis could lose.
And I remember discussions that I had with Trump that he needs to get his, you know what, down there and start campaigning hard for those guys that were we're gonna lose Florida.
Meaning lose the the governorship and lose a Senate seat, and I didn't want to see that happen.
So from his perspective, whether you agree with it or not agree with it, now he played a major role in Ron winning that first race.
And he's like, Oh, so my that this is how you pay me back by running against me.
Again, I'm only giving his perspective.
Yeah, no, and I would say from Ron's perspective, he said, Yeah, you you backed me, you backed the right guy, and I did a good job.
And I did a good job, and I supported you right back in 2020.
Okay.
I mean, bottom line.
So uh yeah.
But challenging him d him directly is where the rub is.
Do you see that?
Well, exactly.
Uh and and frankly, uh, Donald Trump has every right to be angry.
Uh I I'm angry.
I'm angry at the RMC.
I think that they do nothing but talk.
I told them four or five years ago, you gotta get on the ground.
The Democrats are on the ground.
They've got a ground game.
They're in every precinct in every small town in this nation, and the Republicans are twiddling their thumbs and saying, Oh, it'll be all right if we just if we just play nice.
The Democrats aren't gonna play nice.
They they crucify Donald Trump.
I'd I go for him in a heartbeat, but he needs to back off my state.
And Oh, these also listen, let me tell you something.
The Democrats see that Ron is the closest number two, okay?
Uh as of today, President Trump has a big lead in the polls.
But they see Ron as the a you know, who knows what's going to happen between now and election day.
So these legal issues should concern anybody and everybody in Trump world, in my view.
Okay, so they're looking at Ronda St they're already trying to tear him limb from limb.
You see that, right?
Oh absolutely.
And they will do that to any Republican that they deem to be a potential threat.
That is Who they are, that is how they operate.
They're not gonna change.
They are not gonna change.
They'll go lower, they'll go lower, they'll go dirtier.
Um they're on the ground again.
Uh my question would be is there are are the Republicans doing anything different this time?
Because they will get into the polling places, they will get into these precincts, and they As of now the answer is no, which is why I keep talking about it.
And you're the only one talking about it.
Thank you, by the way.
I I emailed Donald Trump five years ago begging him.
And uh what's her name, m Miss McDay.
Ronald McDaniel.
Look, the the the Republicans better get in the game of overcoming whatever objections around the country a lot of Republicans and conservatives have towards early voting and mail and voting.
That you've got to get rid of it.
And the second thing is legal ballot harvesting.
It's legal in so many different states in this country, and then Republicans are not in that game.
You can't start out election day down by hundreds of thousands of votes and count on having the ability to catch up and win.
No, and I still don't think they have feet on the ground in these precincts.
They need to have one in every precinct in this country.
They need to do the same thing the Democrats did.
Be there.
Be in there where you can make a difference.
Uh they got out the Republicans got outplayed.
I've emailed everybody from senators to congressmen and everybody and begged him to please do something besides talk and let this happen again, because this is probably our last shot.
Now that I'm making it more loud and more public, I can tell you that they are taking notice, but the changes are not in place, and until they are, I'm not going to shut up, okay?
Well, I appreciate you very much.
I called you because you're the one guy I hear it from.
All right, Randy, God bless you, man.
Enjoy enjoy the free state of Florida as I'm, you know, trapped up here in the hellhole known as New York.
Uh 800-941 Sean, if you want to be a part of the program.
Paul is in Chicago.
What are you doing in Chicago?
That's even worse than New York.
Well, I'm actually at the airport getting ready to fly to beautiful Charlotte uh, so hopefully I'll get a little reprieve from the communist Republic of Chicago.
Well, maybe you should make it a one-way ticket and just stay there and pick out a house and move.
I'm already planning to get out of here in a year, so that's that's that's part of it.
Good for you.
By the way, most people I know they're getting out of all these these big blue states with the draconian taxes and regulations.
Anyway, what's on your mind this Friday?
Well, I I kind of wanted to take the speaker and you to task uh over this deal that's happened.
And what what this has made me think about the past few weeks is that you know it's not just the Democrat propaganda machine that's out there spinning.
I think that the Republican propaganda machine is just as effective, but not against Democrats, actually against Republicans.
And you know, this whole we're gonna shut down the government, we're not gonna negotiate, well, maybe we will.
Or we're gonna go after, you know, Director Ray, we're gonna hold him in contempt.
Well, maybe not, we'll go sit in an office and do what he wants.
Or we're gonna go after Lois Lerner, who's now making millions on the speaking circuit.
The the the propaganda machine is is keeping us hopeful.
And in my opinion, and part of the term, I think we've become useful idiots.
Uh we're being used for an election cycle.
They're gonna throw out things like uh, you know, oversight and uh special counsels and uh congressional hearings, and we're gonna get all hyped up and say maybe this time it's gonna happen, and it's not.
And those of us out here who are craving some change, and and our businesses are dying, our education systems are dying.
Uh I work about eight months a year just to pay taxes here in Illinois.
We need that change.
And you know, if they're afraid a piece of paper being held by Christopher Ray is gonna destabilize the government, well, maybe it needs to.
You know, maybe we need to go through that hard bump in the road and have a reset that makes sense for the country, not just Well, in some ways, I mean, Christopher Ray, you know, capitulated.
You know, now they're I guess agre first they agreed to let them see it, but with redactions, now I understand they're gonna let them see it without redactions.
The interesting part of that equation is Comer and Grassley already saw it, and they they had to get the FBI to acknowledge that they had it.
And I think one of the reasons is why do you know these are very specific, they say credible allegations that in fact Joe Biden took specific actions based on monies that would go into his family enterprise.
Now, if that's true, uh that would be an allegation of bribery, high crimes, misdemeanors, and uh he would be impeached over that, and that's something that he could get convicted for if that's proven.
And I agree with with that one piece of paper.
But you know that the path that led to that piece of paper is very long and involves many, many people, both those appointed and those elected.
Uh this is not a one-of-kind of deal where someone goes rogue on their own and collects money while they're vice president.
So uh I think there's a lot more to this that the FBI and and the powers that be don't want us to to know.
But you know, we're gonna do things like pass the border protection bill in the House, knowing full well that's just virtue signaling, and it has absolutely zero chance of going through it.
Well, I I I think they're laying down markers, and then it's a matter of whether they hold them accountable.
I think conservatives would would appreciate him that much more.
I think the stronger they fight, the better they do.
Fighting hard is good politics.
Keeping promises is good politics.
Uh anyway, good call.
Appreciate it, Paul.
Uh enjoy your trip, by the way.
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John in Oklahoma.
John, how are you?
Glad you called.
Hi, Sean.
I really appreciate you taking my call.
I'm a longtime listener, longer time watcher, and uh everything that you do.
Well, uh, I appreciate it.
I've been to Norman, Oklahoma more times than I can count because of my my kids in sports.
What's uh what's on your mind today?
Yeah, so a great job last night with the uh interview in town hall with President Trump.
Um, you know, you know, I'm concerned about um President Trump's electability.
Um, you know, with him going low uh with you know negative ads on DeSantis a month before he starts, all these uh kind of you know, just kind of childish nicknames.
And you know, he kind of recently sort of uh uh sort of called out and went after Taylor McEnney, and I was his number one person.
Um, you know, in uh, you know, for you know, in in you know, is part of his cabinet.
So I'm I'm just concerned that the negatives are gonna outweigh any possible Well, I asked him the quick question almost verbatim last night.
What did you think of his answer?
Well, it was a I thought you again you didn't want to put him totally on the spot and say, hey, what's with the name calling?
And I and I get that.
But you gave specifically name calling.
Yeah, you did.
You did, and and he but he didn't answer it because you threw in there um, you know, why do you fight back so much?
And that's kind of what he focused on.
Um I listen, I I thought it was funny back in 2016 where Crook and Hillary.
I thought it was funnier with Sleepy Joe.
Um I just don't think in party, I think I think I just think it's unbecoming of him.
And if he's a team player, and I know there's no IN team, but if he wants to win, um, you know, he he's gonna he's gotta turn things around and be a little bit more appealing to uh independents and moderates.
That was the premise of my question as well.
I said I said almost verbatim what you just concluded with.
Um look, that's gonna be up to him.
I I I will tell you this.
Whatever the issues are, beyond peace and prosperity, which we know is uh on the ballot in every election, whatever the issues are, you know, I I think Americans have to accept one thing.
If you want a president that's gonna fight like hell for a border and energy independence and fight like hell against China and North Korea, you know, and and NATO and globalist forces and the WHO and the WEF and all these groups, the Paris Climate Accords, then you know, there's not a switch in somebody's mind.
I I've kind of accepted that there's not a switch in his head that's gonna say, oh, okay, I'm gonna be a fighter, you know, 24-7 when I'm working, but then all of a sudden I'm gonna turn it off uh while I'm campaigning.
I I does that make sense to you?
So I kind of just accept it.
Yeah, it absolutely makes sense.
Listen, we love Trump policies, okay?
I I'm just saying the suburban.
You think he would benefit himself more if he not moderated, but if he was a little bit more selective in in the use of the fight.
I got it.
I understand.
Um, but you know what?
That's gonna come down to the Republican primary voters and that and ultimately the general election voters.
Um, you know, but don't forget on the other side, you got a corpse that can't stand on his own two feet and can't think on his own two feet.
Anyway, appreciate the call.
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