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Congressman Andy Ogles - May 9th, Hour 3
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If you want to be a part of the uh program, one of uh Biden's top economic advisors, you know, as you know, Janet Yellen has said that the debt ceiling is uh ready to expire.
In other words, that we will no longer have money to pay our debts, uh, which means America would officially be in default.
Um, anyway, so Kevin McCarthy uh met with uh Joe Biden about a hundred days ago.
Joe Biden promised that he would, you know, continue the conversation with him, and it's a hundred days later, and uh they're saying that there's no plan B on the debt ceiling.
Oh, really?
Well, if they want to default, now the Republicans in the interim, because Joe Biden said there would be no negotiation.
Joe Biden refused to meet with Kevin McCarthy.
House Republicans had no choice.
And what they did is something that I think is a really sound economic plan for the country.
We can't continue to to borrow money and basically rob our kids and grandkids of their future.
Uh so they just return spending levels to 2022 levels.
That is not a big sacrifice.
They reduce the rate of growth moving forward.
In other words, baseline budgeting often allows for six, seven, eight, ten percent increases in spending programs for the various government agencies.
They reduce that to one percent, which I think it was a a good idea.
They're putting in place enough fiscal restraints and responsibility that even the CBO scored it out as saving four point eight trillion dollars in ten years.
And the good part for the Republicans on this, they can get another bite at the Apple next year, which I think is very, very important.
Here is Biden's top economic advisor saying they don't have a plan B. The Biden administration is insisting that President Biden will only sign a clean debt ceiling bill without any spending cuts.
I mean, frankly, sir, you don't have the numbers.
Uh the House is controlled by Republicans, and now you have 43 Senate Republicans siding with them.
That's enough to to filibuster any clean bill in the Senate.
So so what's plan B here?
Well, there is no plan B. Our plan is for Congress to act to address the debt limit.
They already did.
They passed the bill.
Joe said no negotiations.
They said we're not going to be fiscally irresponsible.
They voted to raise the debt ceiling.
They voted to be fiscally responsible.
And Joe Biden now with what, 20, after a hundred days of being utterly silent, non-negotiating.
You see, the Democrats were banking on the fact that Republicans would not get 218 votes or enough votes to pass the bill.
They didn't get the enough votes to pass it.
Uh and then you have the genius Corrine Jean-Pierre actually trying to compare the U.S. potentially be defaulting on money uh and comparing the debt ceiling debate to a car and a mortgage payment.
Listen.
If you buy a car, you are expected to pay the monthly payment.
If you buy a home, you are expected to pay the mortgage every month.
That is the expectation.
That is the spending that you put forth or spending that you may have done before, and now you're playing every month.
If you do not pay your car payment, if you do not pay your mortgage payment, then your credit is going to be bad.
It's going to hurt your credit.
Well, actually, it may not be a bad idea to have a crappy credit score, because we now know based on you know the Democrats' plans that if you have a poor credit score, uh they're going to penalize people with good credit scores to pay more to compensate for people with low credit scores and enable them to get loans uh that they otherwise would not be able to get because they didn't keep their credit score up.
Now let's take a trip down uh memory lane in Joey Biden 2011, talking about the debt limit uh and negotiation being part of the normal process.
At another point, he even said, you know, it can't be my way or the highway, which is how he's been acting here.
This is the debt limit.
And it was I don't want to use pejorative terms.
It was used as the means by which unless certain compromises were made, we would default on our debt.
There's room within the budget.
To fund those priorities.
But it's going to be uh, you know, would it ordinarily be a normal political battle?
All right.
So uh the other thing that they've thrown into the mix is a question that I think is unconstitutional.
I don't think there's any doubt about it, and that is uh to use the fourteenth amendment to the Constitution as a means of circumventing Congress's uh specific authorized role uh uh in terms of you can't spend a dollar without the approval of Congress.
Maybe Joe Biden forgot that part.
Anyway, Andy Ogles, Congressman uh from the great state of Tennessee is with us right now, sir.
How are you?
You're on the important House Financial Services uh committee.
Uh how are you, sir?
I'm doing well, and I hope you are uh also.
Is there anything that I said that is factually inaccurate?
Oh no, you you hit the nail on the head.
I mean, you know, Congress uh here in the House, we have done our job.
We we've got a proposal that creates accountability going back to Biden's own comments from 2011.
He talks about compromises have to be made, that it's part of the normal process.
In other words, all we're asking for is a is a reasonable amount of accountability versus a blank check, which is what Biden wants.
So what Biden is I I think the Democrats were banking on the fact that they didn't think Republicans could could unite behind a single plan.
I think that was their play from the very beginning.
That's why I think Joe was missing in action, you know, for a hundred straight days.
Republicans did in fact uh put together, I think a very fiscally responsible bill.
They didn't try to they didn't try to do everything at once, uh, but they were not going to pass a debt ceiling increase without some type of fiscal restraints.
Going back to 2022 uh spending levels is not onerous on anybody in any way, shape, manner, or form.
Uh reducing the rated growth or or limiting it to one percent is not onerous either.
Uh the House, I'm sorry, the White House has been demagoguing the issue.
What's your reaction to their demagoguing?
And number two, your reaction to the potential that they would go the 14th Amendment route.
Well, you know, first off, to your comment about, you know, they didn't think we could pass a plan.
We know that they that was the their their strategy.
In fact, you know, we have sources that tell us that when we when the House voted uh and we passed the the limit saved grow act, that there liter literally was an oh crap moment both with the di uh Senate Democrats and the White House because they were ready to pop popcorn, uh, you know, throw a party because we failed, but instead we set down, we have, you know, a reasonable, thoughtful approach that the Americans uh expect.
And then to your point about them demagoguing, you know, this this Biden administration uh administration, the Biden regime is trying to convince veterans that somehow Republicans aren't going to give them their benefit, that somehow we are going to cut their salaries.
First off, to any of your veterans listening, thank you for your service.
And then let me tell you this we are not going to cut your benefits, we're not going to cut your salaries, but the fact that Biden is willing to deceive our veterans is proof positive that the Biden regime will not only lie to you, but they will cheat and steal from you.
Because every wasteful dollar spent by this administration is a dollar stolen from our seniors.
It's a dollar taken away from from our veterans.
And I, for one, have had enough.
And this idea that you could use the 14th Amendment is laughable.
Their own attorneys think so.
All right, let me ask you this, because already the Biden administration is 900 billion dollars over budget for 2023.
The fiscal year begins in October every year.
Uh we also have banks now are have reigned in lending because of the banking crisis and the Biden recession looming uh and it looks to be worsening by the day.
Uh we also have Biden promoting the White House uh economist who once complained that gas prices were too damn low.
I'm like, yeah, that's the guy we really want in there, this guy Bernstein.
Uh that was not particularly smart on his part.
Uh they are pushing big offshore windmill uh which drives me crazy.
But you know, at this point, I I don't think Kevin McCarthy's gonna have any ability at all.
And I give the Senate a lot of credit, and I give Mitch McConnell some credit if if he holds the line.
You know, he can buckle.
I've seen him buckle many times.
But the Senate has said no, we're going along with the House Republican plan.
So then the Democrats um will probably be unable to pass in the Senate based on my vote count.
Uh they'll not get to the sixty vote needed for cloture.
And my guess is that the House bill is going to be take it or leave it.
Am I wrong?
Well, you know, I I think there's always uh an opportunity for conversations, and you know, the fact that that uh you know Biden and McCarthy met today is a step in the right direction.
But to your point, the Senate has said we we need some level of accountability.
You you've had 43 senators who are on board with that plan.
And so the Biden administration has to negotiate.
Let me be clear.
If we default, there is one person to blame, and that is Joe Biden.
Joe Biden's been missing in action for a hundred straight days.
And now at the last minute, he's trying to get what is a small majority in the House and get Kevin McCarthy to go back to his caucus and try and convince them to give concessions to Joe Biden.
If I was part of the caucus, I don't think I'd be too keen on doing anything.
Well, and again, everything that we've asked for is you know, you're going back to Obama level spending.
You're going back to Clinton requirements uh for for welfare work requirements.
I mean, again, everything has been very thoughtful.
It's reasonable, it's not radical.
It gets us into the first quarter of next year.
I mean, again, we we spent a lot of time on this.
We brought all five families, all five factions of the Republican Party together to work on something that was passional, that was doable, and that was executable, and that cuts dollars on the front end for the American taxpayer.
But over the long term, over the next decade, and of course I'm always a little skeptical of government math, let's be honest, but it saves almost five trillion dollars.
So again, it's a thoughtful approach.
Look, the government is a big ship, it turns slowly.
We've got to get back on course, otherwise we're the Titanic heading toward an iceberg, and it's not going to be pretty.
All right, quick break.
We'll come back uh more with Congressman Andy Ogles from the great state of Tennessee.
Uh, and then your call's coming up 800-941 Sean, if you want to be a part of the program as we continue.
All right, we continue with Congressman Andy Ogles of Tennessee on the issue of whether or not in 22 days Joe Biden, who's been missing in action a hundred days, uh, can come to an agreement on raising the debt ceiling.
Let me play more of Biden from 2011.
How can you explain the fact that grown men and women are unwilling to budge up till now, and still some of them are still unwilling to budge by taking an absolute position, my way or no way.
I predict to you that a lot of those new members who came here with my way or the highway, they'll either be on the highway or they'll learn that they have to have compromise.
You're what's your reaction to that?
Because he seems to have flipped and flopped, or more likely, uh, in his old age with all his cognitive struggles, has probably forgotten what he said.
Well, I mean, this is a guy who gets lost in the rose garden and wanders off.
I mean, come on.
Uh at the end of the day, we've passed a plan, and it's a good plan.
At the end of the day, the Senate is on board with passing something similar.
I'm not going to say that we're going to side with everything that we asked for, but something similar.
This White House has to come to the table.
They have to do what's right for the American people.
We have inflationary pressures.
We have recessionary pressures.
You have the credit market is tightening.
Everything is saying that we've got to act.
We've got to act swiftly, and we have to do the right thing, which is quit trying to convince seniors and veterans that their benefits are going to be cut.
That's simply the white house lying to you because they don't want to have to do their job, which is coming on board with the with the uh Republican plan in the House.
Well, what they would like is an increase in the debt ceiling with no fiscal responsibility at all.
That's not going to happen.
If that does happen, every Republican will pay the price because you guys signed promises to America, and as part of it, you have as a commitment to this country and your voters that you're going to be fiscally responsible.
I think the bill you passed is fiscally responsible.
Oh, absolutely.
And look, you know, I'm a member of the House.
Freedom Caucus, it's not as conservative, conservative as I would like for it to be.
It doesn't go as far enough as I would like for it to.
But that being said, we had to construct a plan that we could get passed that moves us in the right direction.
And so look, we've got we've got a little farm.
And I've got a choice between my roof's leaking or I want a brand new tractor.
At some point, I have to make realistic choices.
I should probably fix that leaking roof before I go spend out a go-gob of money on a new tractor that I may not need.
And look, I really want a new tractor, by the way.
The brakes on my my tractor don't work so well.
But you know what?
I'm going to fix the roof first.
By the way, do you really have a tractor?
Do you have a farm?
I I do.
It's an old four tractor.
Uh when we live on a hillside, so not ha breaks that don't always work can can be problematic that you know you learn how to use the club?
Well, hold on a second.
So you have a tractor on a hill and you're doing farming and you have no brakes, you don't have reliable breaking.
Well, you know, uh again, you live it on the edge there.
But living on the edge, that's like a suicide mission.
Are you kidding?
How steep is that hill?
It's pretty steep.
But I've got three kids in private school, so I look at it as I'm doing it for them.
But I mean, but that's what that's what Americans do, right?
We we cut and we save and we make it work.
We we make the hard choices to to to feed our kids, to clothe our kids, to put them in schools.
But this administration is being irresponsible.
And I for one have had enough.
I didn't run for Congress to go along to get along.
I came up here to break things and to fix stuff, and that's what we're doing in the house.
Well, do me a favor, keep breaking things.
And my message to the House Republicans is uh I wouldn't give in an inch.
Now, if they agree that they can give in here or there on a minor thing or two, and that gets the deal done fine, but uh I don't see that the Democrats have put any effort at all into the seriousness of the issue, and with 22 days to go to expect a small 22 majority uh to turn on a dime is going to be next to impossible, my view.
So uh the Republicans have passed a debt ceiling increase bill that's fiscally responsible and that is not onerous on anybody in any way, in spite of the hyperbole and the lying and the misinformation and propaganda.
Uh anyway, Congressman Andy Ogles, uh Tennessee, thank you, sir.
Appreciate you being with us.
Good luck.
Be careful with that tractor, all right?
Absolutely.
Thanks for all that you do.
Um so Robert F. Kennedy Jr., did you get to watch the show?
I didn't ask you uh last night, Linda.
Did you see?
I did indeed.
All right, so we have Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on.
We've had him on before.
Um it's interesting.
I mean, he's taking some conservative positions, very different from his party.
He's still a pretty extreme environmentalist guy.
Um, and you know, some of the positions, for example, he doesn't think that biological men should be playing women's sports.
He thinks the border should be secure.
Um, he has some other good positions that kind of surprise me a little bit.
Uh how would I vote for him?
No, I'm not gonna vote for him.
Um, but I started out the interview because the previous in the within the previous week, he had said that he believes that former President John F. Kennedy, his uncle, was killed by the CIA, that the CIA was behind JFK's assassination.
And then he even went as far as to say Jack Ruby, who killed Lee Harvey Oswald, was affiliated with the mob and the mob was working with the CIA.
And then he said it was his father's first instinct that the CIA killed his brother.
Like, wow.
Anyway, listen.
You know, there's millions of pages uh of documents, uh uh uh CIA documents of uh of transcripts of recorded conversations from the Cuban embassy and in Mexico City, from uh I mean uh I it's to summarize the evidence.
There are, as I said on in that uh in that podcast, there are confessions of people that were directly involved in the plot, who are involved in the planning of the plot, uh who were peripheral to the plot.
Uh there's a six-year cover-up.
They, you know, the Warren Commission was run by Alan Dulles, who was the head of the CIA, who my uncle fired, and then insinuated himself under the Warren Commission and essentially ran the Warren Commission and kept this evidence from the Warren Commissioners.
Either way, when Congress, 10 years later, investigated the crime with much more evidence than the Warren Commission had it at its disposal.
It was a conspiracy.
There were multiple people involved, and most of the people in that investigation believed that it was the CIA that was behind it.
Because the evidence was so overwhelming to them.
None of it made any.
I mean, Jack Ruby, even when I was a little boy, Sean, I was in the White House.
My uncle Was you know, laying at rest in the East Room being waked.
And I was standing in the main floor of the White House with my aunt Jackie Kennedy and my father and my mother.
And President Johnson came in and told us that Lee Harvey Oswald had just been killed by Jack Ruby.
And my um and I said to my mom at that point, I turned to her and I said, Why did he kill him?
Did he love our family?
Well, you know, that that's a lingering question.
What was Jack Ruby doing there?
My father, when he investigated Jack Ruby, he found out that Jack Ruby had been deeply involved with Carlos Marcella's mob with with uh Sam Giancata and all the people who were all of those mob leaders, Santos Traficante, who were the Havana casino owners who had been recruited by the CIA and the cash or murder plot.
So they were all working together in coach with the CIA.
The day that my uncle was killed, I was picked up at Sidwell Friends School and brought home the first phone call that my father made after J Edgar Hoover told him that his brother had been shot, was to the CIA desk uh officer in Langwelly, who was only a mile from our house.
Yeah.
And and my father said to him, Did your people do this?
His next call was to Harry Ruiz, who was one of the Cuban uh Bear Pigs leaders who had remained very, very close to our family and to my father.
My father asked him the same question.
And my father called John McComb, who was the head of the CIA, and asked him to come to the house.
Macomb came over, and when I came home from Sidwell Friends School, my father was walking in the yard with John McComb, and my father was posing the same question to him.
Was it our people who did this to my brother?
Oh, it was my father's first instinct that the agency had killed his brother.
Anyway, then we got into issues involving I think a lot of people's position uh supported his position.
He was anti the COVID vaccine, uh, and some other issues as well.
Anyway, he's running an interesting campaign.
He right now has two polls out.
One has him at 19 uh percentage points against the sitting president, and another has him at 20 points.
Uh to me, that's a big number.
I gotta tell you, from the bottom of my heart, watching him watching a Democrat have a conversation was really interesting to me.
The to the like the salient point that I got from the whole thing was that there were so many things that he said where I was shaking my head, yes.
And then there were things he said, I went, Oh my god, I can't agree with that.
But that's normal to me.
It's perfectly normal.
I mean, you and I are on the you know, most of the times on the same side of the issues, and we don't agree on everything.
And that to me is the way it should be.
You should be able to have a conversation.
You should be able to do that.
I only jabbed him a little bit at the end of the interview, um, because he's a big environmentalist, and this goes back from years ago on the room.
And he said that.
He's like, Are we really going back to that?
I mean, he said it's which is fine.
You know, I mean, like he was having fun.
And his, you know, his his um, you know, his wife, his previous wife, you know, she was a big environmentalist and had done a ton for the Green Initiative.
So he has a lot of information on it.
He has an opinion on it, and that's fine.
But I'm telling you right now, you said a couple of weeks ago common sense solutions, right?
So a lot of what he was saying is just common sense.
If you take party out of it and you just talk about the issues, I'm telling you, 99% of people will agree in the privacy of a one-on-one conversation.
He is, of course, you know, to me, in my opinion, he's doing great.
He's coming out against all the you know, the woke as a joke, and let's all think alike.
The only thing I wish, uh, I know he he has a voice issue.
I find it hard to discern.
Now, also I have a hearing issue.
It's you know, and I really want to hear what he has to say, and and sometimes I'm missing words he's gonna be.
It's difficult.
Yeah, I agree with you.
It's hard.
I mean, I I I actually was impressed at how well you did because I know it's like you can't hear too good, he can't talk too good, and you put those two things together.
You did great though.
I thought it was a very good interview.
Yeah, I thought he did very well, and he's agreed to come back, he'll come on the radio show.
I mean, I think it sucks for him that Biden's not gonna debate, but you know, the debates, a lot of that is theater.
If we're gonna be blunt, a lot of that well, I mean, especially with Biden.
I mean, let's be honest.
He can't get through a he can't get too.
You can't debate.
Bring your kid to work day.
He can't talk to the five year olds.
He's not gonna have an honest debate.
Give me a break.
But by the way, some uh Democrats in his White House staff uh are saying that he eats ice, he eats food like a child the way he licks in ice cream.
But look the way he talks about it.
It's weird.
Oh, it's so bizarre.
It's just the whole he's just odd.
Soup to nuts, weird.
Like I've had enough.
John in Georgia.
What's up, John?
How are you, my friend?
Hi, Sean.
Uh thank you for taking my call.
I appreciate it.
My uh comments slash question is about Taiwan, which I guess as you know, there's about 20 million people there.
It's about a hundred miles off the coast of China.
And my point is the Cairo declaration at the end of World War II.
Roosevelt, Churchill, and Chunk Kai-shek agreed that Taiwan would revert to China.
And now looking at history, Washington told us to avoid entangling alliances.
Madison said we celebrate democracy everywhere, but only defend our own.
General David Shuk, who was the uh commandant of the Marine Corps during the Kennedy administration and won the Medal of Honor in World War II, he said if we would stop meddling in the affairs of other countries, they would be better off.
And we would be better off.
So my point is that we should tell the Taiwanese that if they declare independence, we will not support them militarily.
They are on their own.
Now what do you think?
Look, it's a very difficult question.
I don't think Joe Biden has the ability to stand up to the communist Chinese.
I'm being very blunt here.
And if he did, he would have already if he was engaged as the leader in the free world, if he didn't abdicate that role, uh, and the leader of the world, you know, China would not be on the march the way that they are.
And this new what I call axis of evil with the alliance between China, Russia, Iran, and now they're peeling off some of our former allies under Donald Trump, starting with the Saudis, uh, which immediately cut production of oil by 1.3 million barrels a day.
That's to increase prices.
That's to, you know, hurt the American economy.
I'm sure China had a had a hand in that.
Um the answer is I don't think he's capable of of navigating any defense that would that would mean much.
Um at this point, I think give them the weaponry that we can to help them fight their own uh conflict and battle, and I don't think we should we I'm not willing to send one American boot on the ground, not willing to do it.
Why should we be spending hundreds of billions of dollars to defend Taiwan?
I'm I'm well, number one, it's gonna be there there will be fallout for the U.S. Because then China, I think seventy-five to eighty percent of the chips that are those all important chips we always talk about, uh, for computers and and electronics and so on and so forth are made in Taiwan.
And whether or not that gets interrupted, I can't say.
Now it's it's been historically our policy that we would defend them.
But I don't think he's capable of doing that job.
The way he's handled Ukraine has been an unmitigated disaster as far as I'm concerned.
Uh the fact that he's not demanded Europe step up and pay a percentage of their GDP to protect their continent uh before putting one American dollar into Ukraine is is unforgivable to me.
The fact that Poland offered uh Ukraine 28 MIGs and Joe vetoed that is unconscionable to me.
Because now you're fighting a war and you're putting handcuffs on the country that you supposedly want to help.
If pol Poland was willing to give them the 28 MIGs, finally he said, okay, you can have four.
Uh that's not enough.
The only good news that came out of you know, this war, I think uh they finally took out somebody took out one of the hypersonic missiles.
I believe the Patriot Missile System took it out, and and that is a good sign.
If we can make that more sophisticated, uh, we should be able to, you know, neutralize hypersonic missiles at some point, which I think has got to be the future of uh any defense system um i hope that answers your question but it's sad we don't really have a president that's engaged and capable of doing any of this or all of this uh anyway eight hundred nine four one sean if you want to be a part of the program uh let us go to let's see Scotty's in San Diego Kogo Radio
what's up Scotty how are you hey Sean God bless you and Linda uh you know there's there's so many concerning uses I think I mean we could get going on and on about big tech or the weaponizing of the uh FBI the CIA immigration debt ceiling interest rates the laptop but um I think the uh what I'd like to uh hear your opinion on is um the I'm real concerned with this petrol dollar and the BRIC system.
Will what are your thoughts on it?
Uh I I didn't hear the last part of your question.
So from what I understand there's about thirty-two countries that have uh decided that they will no longer accept the petrodollar the American currency and and this BRICS um unification what are what are your thoughts on where we're headed economically with all this I listen I d I think there has been a a battle of of a cold war if you will uh to make sure that the U.S.
dollar is no longer the world's currency.
Absolutely Absolutely and I think that they know the communist Chinese especially know that that would weaken America.
I think there is great great danger if in fact the U.S. dollar is not the world's currency.
So and in terms of of going to any type of electronic uh system I think that's just a way the government has another way that they have to monitor every action of every American and and spy on us uh and get away with it and it would be fairly easy to do.
Right.
So I guess what I guess my main question is what do you think this this uh absolutely I mean in my opinion uh it almost seems as anything that could have gone wrong has gone wrong with this Biden regime and uh this is really just the tip of the iceberg right here this is uh this could be the straw that breaks the camel's back and I don't I don't feel that he's cognitively able to even talk about such an issue.
Well I don't think he's cognitive he cognitively able to do much at all and that's part of the problem and there's a big void in the world as a result.
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