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Jan. 20, 2023 - Sean Hannity Show
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Alec Baldwin Indited - January 19th, Hour 2
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Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, well, big breaking news in the case of Alec Baldwin hit with involuntary manslaughter charges and the death of Elena Hutchins.
On that charge, he faces up to 18 months in prison.
There are potentially other charges, gun charges, that would have a maximum minimum penalty of five years in prison.
Anyway, it is what it is.
I'm a little bit torn on this, and I don't know why I shouldn't be torn.
I have a history with Alec Baldwin.
He's a jackass.
He's an idiot.
He's arrogant.
He's pompous.
He's an elitist.
I've had moments with him, Twitter fights with this idiot.
Once when he was trying out on radio, Mark Levin and I called in, and he ended up walking out of the studio.
He has a notoriously vicious temper.
We all know the phone call with his daughter, which, you know, calling her a pig when she's like 13 years old, among other things.
And, you know, how did this happen?
Now, this is after a lengthy investigation.
And I take no joy in seeing people having trouble in their lives.
I just don't.
Anyway, here to weigh in on it, Joe Concha, author of Come On Man, and Fox News contributor, and one of the greatest of all time in terms of media reporters.
He'd be great with his own show on Fox, which we'd love to see one day.
Carol Roth is with us, Entrepreneur, The War on Small Business, How the Government Used the Pandemic to Crush the Backbone of America.
You know, the left has always embraced Alec Baldwin because he's been so acerbic and so anti-conservative.
And even though he's been vicious with the media, the media still can't get enough of him, it seems.
What do you make of all of that and these charges today, Joe Concha?
Well, you're right in terms of the left embracing him.
In fact, people may forget, but he had a primetime show on MSNBC at one point that lasted about three scaramuccias, right?
Not too long, a couple of months.
But look, I'm with you on this in terms of being torn on whether he truly is at fault here.
And here's what I mean.
So he's handed a gun and told to point it at somebody.
He doesn't know there's live rounds in it.
Now, all that said, anybody will tell you, particularly in law enforcement, that you don't point a gun at anyone unless you check the gun to make sure that it doesn't have any live ammunition in it.
So it was his responsibility.
But then again, there was an armorer on the set to make sure that these guns were handled properly and the ammunition was handled properly.
I guess, Mike, my question is, Sean, why are we even using live ammunition in these situations?
I'm sure we could come up with some guns that look like guns and fire nothing, blanks, right?
So I don't even understand how ammunition got on that set in the first place.
Well, I mean, this is where involuntary manslaughter comes in.
You know, I got to tell you something.
As somebody who's been around guns since I'm 10 years old, you know, in a very different time, Carol Roth, my mom, a prison guard, had a Smith ⁇ Wesson revolver.
She put it next to her bed and it was loaded.
Knowing she had a curious son in the house, they made it their business at a very early age to teach me gun safety and took me down to the range when I was that young.
And literally, I went and I got a lesson in safety.
And I remember the gun was pointed downrange as it should be, all the other safety measures.
The guy says, do you understand everything I've just taught you about safety?
I said, yes, sir.
And I thought I was going to be able to shoot the gun.
And he said, good.
When you come back next week, if you remember everything I told you, I'll let you shoot the gun for the first time.
And I had to come back the next week.
But from that point forward, I had, you know, safety was drilled into my head on day one, and it never left me.
Yeah, I mean, I love the fact that I'm joining you in compassion, but also being very serious exactly at what you said, Sean, about the safety aspect.
For people who like to talk about how dangerous guns are and how we need to do all of these things to remove guns because it's so serious, the lack of seriousness that they showed when guns were in their possession just shows the utter hypocrisy here.
And it's so unfortunate because obviously somebody lost their life.
Several other people's lives are now going to be disrupted and bear the burden of the life that was lost.
And as you said, there are kids that are taught gun safety.
Things about not putting your finger on the trigger.
Alec Baldman said that he didn't, but we all know how guns work.
Unless you had your finger next to the trigger, that gun's not going off.
So I think that's the key here is that if you're going to have the guns on set, and I agree with Joe, at Hollywood, you should be able to have some sort of a clear replica.
You have to treat it with the utmost of respect and responsibility.
And I guess their lack of understanding of guns has led, unfortunately, to this tragedy.
I mean, Sad, let's talk about what the punishment should be in the case of the involuntary manslaughter could be 18 months in jail.
Do you think this is where this is headed, Joe Concha?
Well, you know, when we cut through all the noise and everything, still the mother of a six-year-old boy is dead, right?
And the mother of a loving husband.
And there needs to be some kind of accountability around this.
But I think Alec Baldman really, from a PR perspective, Sean, has not handled this well at all because, as you said, he's an egomaniac and he thinks he could basically talk and bully his way out of anything.
And he decided that it was a good idea.
And I am certain that his lawyers didn't think this was a good idea, to go to his friend George Stepanopoulos over at ABC.
This was about a year ago.
And the quote that stands out from that interview is that he said, I did not pull the trigger.
Well, it sure looks like you pulled the trigger because no one else could have.
So now that's in the public domain.
That could be used against him in this case, his claim that he didn't pull the trigger.
Well, that goes to credibility.
Of course you did, sir.
So I think he probably does get charged.
The question is, does he get the full 18 months in prison?
And what is prison?
Is it home arrest?
Is it some sort of country club kind of prison?
It's not like he's going to go to Shawshank or anything, I would imagine.
So I think he gets charged, but I don't think it's going to be the punishment will be all that difficult to fulfill.
Let me ask you both this question because they also face an enhancement for use of a firearm.
That itself carries a mandatory minimum sentence of five years.
Is that something that you think will be brought up?
Carol?
I'd say from my perspective, and Sean, I'm certainly not a lawyer and don't even play one on the radio, but I think given the high-profile nature of this, it's a coin flip.
It depends.
Do they want to make an example out of him, kind of like they did with Martha Stewart and her obstruction of justice claim that sent her away related to insider trading charges?
Or is it the opposite where, oh, it's a celebrity and they're probably not going to do this again, so we're going to go light and not set the example.
And I think it just really depends on the tenor of the people in the room, and it's going to go one way or the other.
Now, previously, Alec Baldwin spoke out after reaching a settlement with the family of Helena Hutchins and he and the Rust producers.
They reached a settlement, the deal, which I believe got court approval.
Anyway, according to the terms, the production of the film was supposed to resume as of, I guess, last January with the movie's original director and the wrongful death lawsuit filed in February against the producers and Baldwin and crew members.
They apparently had an out-of-court settlement.
Quote, we've reached a settlement subject to court approval as it relates to the death, the wrongful death case against the producers, including Alec Baldwin and Rust Movie Productions LLC.
As part of the settlement, the case was to be dismissed, meaning the civil case.
So that part of the legal aspect is gone, done and gone, but I don't think that impacts the legal case.
We'll give you the last word, Joe Concha.
Oh, sure.
I just can't believe that after a woman, a producer was killed on the set by the lead actor, that they were actually going to go ahead and resume filming on this, right?
How could you, in any good conscience, go ahead and say, all right, well, we lost someone, but, you know, let's wrap this thing.
I just think the optics on that just look so poor.
Just why is it?
I don't.
Why, Carol, do I not?
I can't stand the guy.
He's an arrogant, pompous, elitist jackass.
And I just can't wish ill on anybody.
I don't know why.
Maybe, I don't know.
Because you're a good person and you have compassion.
And when you're somebody who's not a narcissistic egomaniac, that is how we look towards other people.
This was something certainly that wasn't done with malice.
It was an accident.
It was a horrible, you know, negligent accident.
But you're showing that compassion.
And I think that's what people like about you.
Well, you're very kind to say so.
There are a lot of people that don't like me, too.
Anyway, we appreciate your insight, both of you.
Carol Roth, great to have you back.
And as always, Joe Concha, thank you for being with us.
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Linda's been staring at me with daggers.
I don't think she likes that.
I'm not gleeful over this charge on Alec Baldwin.
We'll get to that when we come back.
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All right, Linda, you have been looking at me with nothing but score in this entire interview.
Why you think I should be more hostile towards him?
Do you really believe, and it's involuntary manslaughter.
I don't believe that Alec Baldwin, jackass that he is, went to work that day thinking, oh, I'm going to shoot an innocent person on the set.
So hence the involuntary manslaughter and the responsibility of everybody, including him.
I think he was the head of production of everybody that something like this can happen.
And they should have systems and checks and balances in place to prevent such tragedies.
Yeah, I mean, it's tough.
You know, Alec Baldwin is just, if we segregate personal feelings, which is very hard as human beings to do, and just look at the facts of the case, then, yeah, sure, I could see how this is manslaughter or this is, you know, not him deliberately going out maliciously getting up in the morning.
It's not, you know, a contemplated murder by any stretch, right?
However, having said that, I'm curious how the average Joe would fare in that same situation.
You know, obviously it's a movie set.
Nobody on that set is the average Joe, right?
They all have means.
They're all probably well-known in their circuit and have access to really great lawyers and all the things.
Alec Baldwin being the most premier and well-known on the set.
Having said, oh, I don't think it helps the husband.
I don't think it helps the son.
I don't think it helps the family.
And he, you know, Joe made a really good point.
He's just been so callous about it, making it like about him and that I'm the victim and crying and doing those weird YouTube, you know, videos where he's like in that hotel room and then he's talking to George Stephanopoulos.
In the Stephanopoulos interview, it was almost like he prepared with his lawyers and it was an acting role for him.
That's how I interpreted that.
And everything he said was pre-planned.
I felt.
Yeah.
And he's an actor, so he does it very well.
You know, it's very, it's hard to say, like, are you acting right now?
Is this you pretending?
Like, I've seen you as an actor.
You're pretty good, actually.
I don't know.
I mean, just because you're a narcissistic jackass like he is, and he is, it doesn't mean that you don't have some human compassion here.
Was some of it real?
Sure.
But when he said, I never pulled the trigger, what do you mean you didn't pull the trigger?
It didn't go off by itself.
It went off.
It was in your hands.
You didn't check it.
George Clooney was actually pretty hard on him and said, I always check myself to make sure that it's a blank.
It's not a real bullet in the gun.
But how weird is that?
I mean, the armorer is being pulled in as well.
I do think there is something very strange about the fact that this guy had real bullets in his gun.
Why?
Why?
I mean, this is 2022, 2023.
We have all the special effects, sound effects.
I mean, the things that we can do and the things we can do in front of green screens, the sounds we can make with all the technology that we have, even in radio and TV.
I mean, it is bar none.
We can do tons of stuff.
Why did they need real ammunition?
And if they didn't know, who snuck it on and why?
Yeah, you would never, ever.
Now, there were other issues involving safety that had been brought up previously on the set and they weren't addressed.
Now, that's negligence on their part.
They bear responsibility for that.
But I also think, you know, you're pointing out all these wonderful things about training, about being safe, about, you know, biometric safes, thumbprints, you know, they have special locks, all the things that we can do to be safe.
If we look at all of the shootings that have happened just in the past week, they're happening with illegal weapons.
They're happening in the hands of cartel members and gang members.
They're getting in the hands of small children whose parents are not present, not around, not watching, do not have their guns in a proper place.
You know, in the 1920s and the 1930s, we had kids who worked on the farms with their families all day, did schoolwork when they were done with their work, went back to work on the farms, trained on their firearms, and they were practiced in the use of a firearm as young as some as seven and eight.
What has changed?
They didn't turn into serial killers.
What has changed?
Two things changed.
The type of media that we feed our children, the exposure that they have to it, the lack of awareness that parents have because they're totally checked out and they're on their cell phone all damn day and they're not paying attention to their kids.
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I'm good today.
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Nobody has a perfect life.
Life is difficult, as the book, The Road Less Travel, tells us, but we work our way through it, don't we?
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Sean, I just wanted to get your opinion on.
I know I heard you three, four years ago talking about Hillary Clinton and what all she had done.
And that situation just kind of bogged down and went away.
How do you see the Biden situation as comparing it to the Hillary situation?
Do you see a better outcome in getting to the bottom of all this?
I think this is the single biggest, most often-asked question I'm getting of late.
I don't think it's the top-secret classified documents that are going to be the undoing of Biden.
I think, especially after the raid with Donald Trump, the double standard in terms of the Justice Department wouldn't even send FBI agents to be involved in the search.
I think that then washes out, it becomes a wash.
Now, the far more egregious example, you're right, was Hillary Clinton because on top of she had way more top-secret classified information on her servers than Joe and Donald Trump combined.
And that doesn't include the 33,000 emails that she washed clean with bleach pit on her servers and the hammers that were used to destroy devices that might have those emails and the SIM cards removed.
But here's where I think Joe's biggest vulnerability is: it's money.
Joe Biden was unequivocal.
I never once spoke to my son Hunter or any other family member about their foreign business dealings.
We now know there's no ambiguity here.
He lied.
We have photographic evidence.
Joe Biden with his son Hunter and his foreign business partners.
We've heard from Tony Bobolinski.
We know who the big guy is.
We have specific meetings that we know Joe attended with Hunter and his foreign business partners.
So I think the issue for Joe and the undoing of Joe is going to be about money.
And I think now with these investigations, and I kept telling people, people were upset.
Well, the election didn't go the way we wanted.
I'm like, don't underestimate the win of the House.
It matters so much more than you think.
And I said we should be very happy about that victory.
Now we should learn how to do elections better.
You know, Democrats do elections by ballots, early voting, and voting by mail.
Republicans have got to adopt what the Democrats are doing, duplicate it, and do it better.
But put that aside for now.
But these investigations are real.
And I think Joe Biden's greatest vulnerability, his Achilles heel, if you will, is going to be the money and the lying.
And the evidence that he lied to the country is going to be overwhelming and incontrovertible.
That's my best guess of where this is headed.
And I don't think there's going to be an easy excuse out no matter how much they try to smear anybody that talks about it.
I also have to wonder what would happen if a common guy like me didn't disclose $600,000 worth of income on my income tax.
Well, I mean, if you're getting $50,000 a month in rent for a room for your son in your own house in Delaware, I've seen rents way higher than that down in Palm Beach and Malibu Beach and, you know, very, very expensive areas in the country.
Delaware is not one of them.
That is an extraordinarily high number.
And then, of course, the laptop from hell implicates Joe or Hunter implicates Joe.
You know, I'm tired of paying half my income to Pops.
I'm tired of paying for Pops repairs.
You know, the big guy gets his, you know, cut.
We got to put money aside for him.
That's all about the money.
And I think that's where the vulnerability comes in.
And the staggering amount, just look at China alone.
A $5 million, no interest, forgivable loan.
What does that sound like to you?
Would you take those terms?
I'm going to offer you an interest-free, forgivable, $5 million loan.
Would you take that?
I would ask what the catch is.
Exactly.
But there's no catch.
That's the problem.
A forgivable loan means you don't have to give it back or a $100,000 shopping spree.
Would you like me to take you and your family on a $100,000 shopping spree?
Absolutely.
Now, if the Bank of China, I assume you probably, I don't know if you have any experience.
You have any experience in financial issues or investment.
I mean, why would the Bank of China do business with Hunter Biden, a crack addict at the time, to the tune of $1.5 billion?
Exactly.
You know, it's so that these are massive amounts of money, and I don't think there are any good answers.
Now, I do know the Bidens have hired very, very good lawyers.
I just happen to know who they hired.
And so this is not a slam dunk.
They're going to fight back with every, you know, every dirty trick they can think of.
They've been planning this fight for a long time, anticipating Republicans would win the House and have these investigations.
So let's see, Ricky.
I mean, that's the bottom line.
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Greg is in North Carolina.
What's up, Greg?
How are you?
Oh, I'm doing great.
How are you?
I'm good, sir.
What's happening?
Well, thinking about the Biden classified documents story, the thing that sticks out for me is how unusually cooperative his staff are being.
I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but some of these documents were actually found by his aides, his staffers, and they're turning them over, you know, wanting to be so cooperative.
And what it makes me wonder is, you know, do you think that it's possible that there will be an investigation that the Democrats fully cooperate with?
It finds out, it concludes that Joe Biden was, say, careless with classified material.
And then the result of that is there's some bipartisan legislation that says anyone who has mishandled classified information cannot be eligible for the presidency.
And then, of course, this is something they've already made this claim about Donald Trump.
Joe Biden bows out.
He says, hey, if I had run again, I would have won.
I would have had a great second term, but I'm a law-abiding citizen and I'll follow this new rule.
Meanwhile, they've got something that can prevent Donald Trump from running again.
What do you think?
There's nothing that devious that would shock me.
That is not beyond the realm of possibility in my mind.
The only problem is they would have to have House Republicans go along with it now.
That wouldn't happen.
But I will say this.
It's very suspicious to me.
I have no reason except that I've only done this since 1987 on the radio.
And I think I have a pretty good gut and feel for BS when I smell it and see it.
And the fact that this all happened in succession the way it did, first the Penn Biden Center, then the garage, then the room in the House, then the other house, it just is too coincidental for me.
And it just, it reeks of Democrats not wanting him to run.
I have no evidence at all to prove that.
I want to be very clear, but it's a thought in the back of my head.
Why is this all coming out now?
I don't have a good answer for it.
And when I don't have a good answer, I often get suspicious.
And usually my gut, my suspicions turn out to be right.
But I have no evidence to prove that.
Well, as far as bipartisan support for such a thing, remember there were quite a few Republicans that voted for Donald Trump to be impeached.
And there were quite a few Republicans that maybe they were never really wanting an outsider to come in and drain the swamp.
There's corruption on both sides.
And I wouldn't be surprised if they got a little support for something that would be president.
Listen, the effort to keep Donald Trump.
Now, it's odd because on the one hand, if you listen to Democrats, liberals, the media, they think that Donald Trump is completely unelectable.
My answer to that is I would never underestimate Donald Trump.
Now, I do think it's hard for any Republican to win the presidency.
And it's getting harder because I don't know if you've heard me talk about what I call accelerated migration and all these conservatives leaving Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Illinois, not that Illinois matters, but Michigan.
It's getting hard for Republicans to get to 270, harder and harder every day, regardless of who the candidate is.
But they say he's the weakest, but yet they want to do everything in their power to just ensure that he doesn't run.
If he thought he was the weakest, why wouldn't you want him to run?
Because I don't believe they think he's the weakest.
I think if the choice were Trump versus Biden, it would be another nail-biting close election.
And frankly, if I look at if it's another Republican, I don't want to get into 2024.
It's too early.
But any Republican that runs is going to be slandered and smeared and attacked.
And it's going to be a never-ending assault by the media.
And it's going to be Republicans want dirty air and water and they're racist and xenophobic and the same crap we get every election.
So I think it's hard.
Remember, I was, there were a lot of people that were making all these predictions in the lead up to 2022.
I was not one of them.
I don't know if you were listening to the show.
I was warning people every day: manage your expectations here.
And for two reasons, there are way too more people than we imagine that actually buy into this socialist BS more than you think.
Number one.
Number two, I'm telling you, between Democrats run elections very differently than the way Republicans do.
Republicans think kissing babies, doing press of L's, doing town halls, doing rallies, having better positions, convincing people that they'd be a better representative is the way to run, but it's not.
Democrats can hide in their basement, avoid debating, or only debate at the last minute after a lot of voting has taken place.
And then they are in the ballot business.
They're in the ballot business and the negative ad business.
And most states allow a version.
49 states allow a version of ballot harvesting.
16 states do not require any ID at all.
We've got to fix this.
If we don't fix it this year, I'm very worried about 2024.
I'm going to start bringing on governors to ask them to get their laws in place.
You're 100% right.
And unless we focus on, in my opinion, unless we focus, you know, there's always been debate, and there's always been a right and a left.
But what we've got now, Sean, I believe is corruption.
And unless we get that out, because corruption hurts the foundation of the system, the system will take care of the debate itself as long as you've got legitimate elections.
Well, the problem is what the law is.
You know, put aside any improprieties that take place.
And I believe, like the Democrats in 2020, they used COVID like most states have laws that say partisan observers get to watch the vote counting.
That didn't happen in any state.
Now, accommodations for partisan observers to watch the vote counting, not 1,000 feet away, 100 feet away, 20 feet away, but up close, start to finish.
If that's the law, you need to follow the law.
And I kept repeating this.
Or election observers that were signing affidavits saying that they saw things that were not, that they believe violated the law.
Nobody wanted to hear from those whistleblowers.
Or state constitutions, like in Pennsylvania, overridden by a legislature, but it's constitutionally not sound for them to do that.
So, you know, we've got a lot of work to do.
I'm going to spend more time on this election issue and what Republicans need to do.
But I will tell you this: Republicans need to change how they approach elections moving forward, starting in 2024, or else they won't have a chance.
They won't have a chance.
Democrats, they are at, you know, in terms of ballot harvesting, they're at a level 100 times better than Republicans.
Legally, I'm just saying on that side.
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