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Jan. 20, 2023 - Sean Hannity Show
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Alec Baldwin Indited - January 19th, Hour 2
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Well, big breaking news in the case of Alec Baldwin, hit with involuntary manslaughter charges and the death of Helena Hutchins uh on that charge, he faces up to 18 months in prison.
Uh there are potentially other charges, gun charges that would have a maximum pen minimum penalty of five years in prison.
Um anyway, it is what it is.
I'm a little bit torn on this, and I don't know why I shouldn't be torn.
I have a history with Alec Baldwin.
He is a jackass.
He's an idiot, he's arrogant, he's pompous, he's an elitist.
Uh the I've had moments with him, Twitter fights with this idiot.
Uh once when he was trying out on radio, Mark Levin and I called in, and he ended up walking out of the studio.
He has a notoriously vicious temper.
Uh we all know the phone call with his daughter, uh, which, you know, calling her a pig when she's like 13 years old, among other things.
And um, you know, how did this happen?
Now, this is after a lengthy investigation.
And I I I take no joy in seeing people having trouble in their lives.
I just don't.
Anyway, here to weigh in on it, Joe Concha, author of Come On Man, and Fox News Contributor and one of the greatest of all time in terms of media reporters.
He'd be great with his own show on Fox, which we'd love to see one day.
Uh, Carol Roth is with us, Entrepreneur, The War on Small Business, How the Government Used the Pandemic to Crus the Backbone of America.
You know, the the left has always embraced Alec Baldwin because he's been so acerbic and so uh anti-conservative, and and even though he's been vicious with the media, the media still can't get enough of him, it seems.
What do you make of all of that and these charges today, Joe Concha?
Well, you're right in terms of the left embracing.
In fact, people may forget, but he had a primetime show on MSNBC at one point that lasted uh about three Scaramuccies, right?
No, not too long, uh a couple of months.
But look, I'm with you on this in terms of being torn on whether he truly is at fault here.
And here's what I mean.
So he's handed a gun and told to point it at somebody.
He doesn't know there's live rounds in it.
Now, all that said, anybody will tell you, particularly in law enforcement, that you don't point a gun at anyone unless you check the gun to make sure that it doesn't have any live ammunition in it.
So it was his responsibility, but then again, there wasn't armorer on on the set to make sure that these guns were handled properly and the ammunition was handled properly.
I guess Mike, my question is, Sean, why are we even using live ammunition in these situations?
I'm sure we could come up with some guns that look like guns and fire nothing blanks, right?
So I don't even understand how ammunition got on that set in the first place.
Well, I mean, this is where the this is where involuntary manslaughter comes in.
You know, I I gotta tell you something.
As somebody who's been around guns since I'm ten years old, you know, in a very different time, Carol Roth, my mom, a prison guard, had a a Smith and Wesson uh uh revolver.
Uh she put it next to her bed and it was loaded, knowing she had a curious, you know, son in the house, they made it their business at a very early age to teach me gun safety and took me down of the range when I was that young and literally I went and I got a lesson in safety, and I remember it was yeah, the gun was pointed downrange as it should be, all the other safety measures.
Uh the guy says, Do you understand everything I've just taught you about safety?
I said, Yes, sir.
And I thought I was gonna be able to shoot the gun, and he said, Good, when you come back next week, if you remember everything I told you, I'll let you shoot the gun for the first time.
And I had to come back the next week.
But from that point forward, I I had you know, safety was drilled into my head on day one, and it never left me.
Yeah, I mean, I love the fact um that I'm joining you in compassion, but also being very serious exactly what you said, Sean, about the safety aspect for people who like to talk about how dangerous guns are and how we need to do all of these things to remove guns because it's so serious.
The lack of seriousness that they showed when guns were in their possession just shows the the utter hypocrisy here, and it's so unfortunate because obviously somebody lost their life, several other people's lives are now going to be disrupted and bear the burden of the life that was lost.
And as you said, you know, we there are kids that are taught gun safety, things about not putting your you know your finger on the trigger.
Alec Baldman said that he didn't, but we all know how guns work.
You know, unless you had your finger next to the trigger, that gun's not going off.
So you know, uh I think that's the key here is that if you're going to have the guns on set, and I agree with Joe, in Hollywood, you should be able to have some sort of a a clear replica.
You have to treat it with the utmost of respect to responsibility, and I guess their lack of understanding of guns has led unfortunately to this tragedy.
I mean, sad, let's talk about what the punishment should be in the case of the involuntary manslaughter could be 18 months in jail.
Do you think where that this is where this is headed, uh, Joe Concha?
Well, you know, when we cut through all the noise and everything, uh still the the mother of a six-year-old boy is dead, right?
And the mother of of of a loving husband, and there needs to be some kind of accountability around this.
But I think Alec Baldwin really, from a PR perspective, Sean, has not handled this well at all because as you said, he's an egomaniac and he thinks he could basically talk and bully his way out of anything, and he decided that it was a good idea, and I am certain that his lawyers didn't think this was a good idea, to go to his friend George Stepanopoulos over at ABC.
This is about a year ago, and the quote that stands out from that interview is that he said, I did not pull the trigger.
Well, it sure looks like you pulled the trigger because no one else could have.
So now that's in the public domain.
That could be used against him in this case, his claim that he didn't pull the trigger.
Well, that goes to credibility.
Well, of course you did, sir.
So I I I think he probably does get charged.
The question is, does he get the full 18 months in prison and what is prison?
Is it home arrest?
Is it some sort of country club kind of prison?
It's not like he's gonna go to Shawshank or anything, I would imagine.
So I think he gets charged, but I don't think it's gonna be the punishment will be all that difficult to uh to fulfill.
Well, let me ask you both this question because they also face an enhancement for use of a firearm.
That itself carries a mandatory minimum sentence of five years.
Is that something that you think will be brought up?
Carol.
I'd I'd say from my perspective, and and Sean, I'm certainly not a lawyer and don't even play one on the radio.
Um, but I think given the high profile nature of this, it's a coin flip.
It depends.
Do they want to uh make an example out of him, you know, kind of like they did with Martha Stewart and her obstruction of justice claim that sent her away related to insider trading charges, you know, or is it the o the opposite where oh it's a celebrity and you know they're probably not gonna do this again, so we're gonna go light and and you know, not set the example.
And I think it just really depends on the tenor of the people in the room, and it's gonna go one way or the other.
Now, previously Alec Baldwin spoke out after reaching a settlement with the family of Helena Hutchins, and he and the Rust producers, they reached a settlement.
The deal, which I believe got court approval.
Uh anyway, according to the terms, the production of the film was supposed to resume as of I guess last January uh with the movie's original director and um the wrongful death lawsuit filed in February against the producers and Baldwin and crew members.
Uh they uh apparently had an out-of-court settlement.
Quote, we've reached a settlement subject to court approval, uh, as it relates to the death, the wrongful death case against the producers, including Alec Baldwin and Rust Movie Productions LLC as part of the settlement settlement, the case was to be dismissed, meaning the civil case.
So that part of the the legal aspect is gone, done and gone, but I don't think that impacts the the legal case.
We'll give you the last word, Joe Concha.
Oh, sure.
I I just can't believe that after a woman, a producer was killed on the set by the lead actor, that they were actually gonna go ahead and resume filming on this, right?
It it how could you in any good conscience go ahead and say, all right, well, we lost someone, but you know what?
Let's let's wrap this thing.
I I just think the optics on that just looks so poor.
Just why why isn't I don't why why Carol do I not I can't stand the guy.
He's an arrogant, pompous, elitist jackass.
And I just can't wish ill on anybody.
I don't know why.
Maybe, I don't know.
Because you're a good person and you have compassion.
And when you're somebody who's not a narcissistic egomaniac, that is how we look towards other people.
This was something certainly that wasn't done with malice.
It was an accident, it was a horrible, you know, negligent accident, but you're showing that compassion, and I I think that's what people like about you.
Well, you're very kind to say so.
Uh there are a lot of people that don't like me, too.
Um anyway, we appreciate your insight, both of you.
Carol Roth, great to have you back.
And as always, Joe Concha, thank you for being with us.
Thanks, Sean.
Thanks, John.
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Linda's been staring at me with daggers.
I don't think she likes that I'm not gleeful over this charge on uh Alec Baldwin.
We'll get to that uh when we come back.
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Music All right, Linda, you you have been looking at me with nothing but scorn this entire interview.
Why you think I should be more hostile towards him?
Uh uh do you really believe, and it's involuntary manslaughter.
I don't believe that Alec Baldwin, jackass that he is, went to work that day, uh thinking, oh, I'm gonna shoot an innocent person on the set.
So hence the involuntary manslaughter and the responsibility of everybody, including him, I think he was the head of production, uh, of everybody that this something like this can happen, and they should have us have systems and checks and balances in place to prevent such tragedies.
Yeah, I mean it's tough, you know.
Alec Baldwin is just if we are if we segregate personal feelings, which is very hard as human beings to do, and just look at the facts of the case, then yeah, sure, I could see how this is manslaughter or this is you know, not him deliberately going out maliciously getting up in the morning.
It's not, you know, a contemplated murder by any stretch, right?
However, having said that, I'm curious how the average Joe would fare in that same situation.
You know, obviously it's a movie set.
Nobody on that set is the average Joe, right?
They all have means, they're all probably well known in their circuit and have access to really great lawyers and all the things.
Alec Baldwin being the most premier and well known on the set.
Having said all that, I don't think it helps the husband, I don't think it helps the son.
I don't think it helps the family.
And he, you know, Joe made a really good point.
He's just been so callous about it, making it like about him and that I'm the victim and crying and doing those weird YouTube, you know, videos where he's like in that hotel room and then he's talking to George Stephanopoulos.
It's just Stephanopoulos interview.
It was almost like he prepared with his lawyers and it was an acting role for him.
That's how I interpreted that.
And everything he said was pre-planned.
I felt.
Yeah.
And he's an actor, so he does it very well.
You know, it's very it's hard to say.
Like, are you acting right now?
Is this you pretending?
Like I've seen you as an actor.
You're pretty good, actually.
I don't know.
I mean, it just because you're a narcissistic jackass like he is, and he is.
It doesn't mean that you you don't have some human compassion uh here.
Uh was some of it real, sure.
But when he said, I never pulled the trigger.
What do you mean you didn't pull the trigger?
It didn't go off by itself.
It went off.
It was in your hands.
You didn't check.
George Clooney was actually pretty hard on him and said, I always check myself to make sure that it's a blank, it's not a real bullet in the gun.
But how weird is that?
I mean, I you know, the armorers being pulled in as well.
I do think there is something very strange about the fact that this guy had real bullets in his gun.
Why why?
I mean, we're this is 2022, 2023.
We have all the special effects, sound effects.
I mean, the things that we can do, and and the things we can do in front of green screens, the sounds we can make with all the technology that we have, even in radio and TV.
I mean, it is bar none.
We can do tons of stuff.
Why did they need real ammunition?
And if they didn't know, who snuck it on and why?
Yeah, you would never ever.
Now, there were other issues involving safety that had been brought up previously on the set, and they weren't addressed.
Now that's negligence on their part.
They bear responsibility for that.
Um But I also think, you know, you're pointing out all these wonderful things about training, about being safe, about you know, biometric safes, thumbprints, you know, uh, you know, if they have special locks, all the things that we can do to be safe.
If we look at all of the shootings that have happened just in the past week, they're happening with illegal weapons, uh, they're happening in the hands of cartel members and gang members.
They're getting in the hands of small children whose parents are not present, not around, not watching, do not have their guns in a proper place.
You know, in the 1920s and the 1930s, we had kids who worked on the farms with their families all day, did school work when they were done with their work, went back to work on the farms, trained on their firearms, and they were practiced in the use of a firearm as young as some as seven and eight.
What has changed?
They didn't turn into serial killers uh either.
What has changed?
Two things changed the type of media that we feed our children, the exposure that they have to it, the lack of awareness that parents have because they're totally checked out and they're on their cell phone all damn day and they're not paying attention to their kids.
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I'm good today.
How are you, Sean?
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I hope you're good every day.
Nobody has a perfect life.
Life is difficult as the book, the uh Roadless Travel tells us, but we work our way through it, don't we?
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Sean, I just wanted to get your opinion on I know uh I heard you three, four years ago talking about Hillary Clinton and and what all she had done, and that situation just kind of bogged down and went away.
How do you see the Biden situation uh as comparing it to the Hillary situation?
Do you see a better outcome In in getting to the bottom of all this.
I'm I think this is the single biggest, most often asked question I'm getting of late.
Um I don't think it's the top secret classified documents that are going to be the undoing of Biden.
I think, especially after the raid with Donald Trump, the double standard in terms of the Justice Department wouldn't even send FBI agents to be involved in the search.
Uh I think I think that then washes out that it becomes a wash.
The f now the far more egregious example, you're right, was Hillary Clinton.
Because on top of she had way more top secret classified uh information on her servers than Joe and Donald Trump combined.
Uh and that doesn't include the thirty-three thousand emails that she washed clean with bleach bit on her servers and the hammers that were used to destroy devices that might have those those emails uh and the sim cards removed.
But here's where I think Joe's biggest vulnerability is it's money.
Joe Biden was unequivocal.
I never once spoke to my son Hunter or any other family member about their foreign business dealings.
We now know there's no ambiguity here.
He lied.
We have photographic evidence, Joe Biden with his son Hunter and his foreign business partners.
We've heard from Tony Bobelinski.
We know who the big guy is.
Um we have we have specific meetings that we know Joe attended with Hunter and his foreign business partners.
So I think the issue for Joe and the undoing of Joe is going to be about money.
And I think now with these investigations, and I I kept telling people, people were upset, well, the election didn't go the way we wanted.
I'm like, don't underestimate the win of the House.
It matters so much more than you think.
And I said we should be very happy about that victory.
Now we should learn how to do elections better.
You know, Democrats do elections by ballots, early voting, and voting by mail.
Republicans have got to adopt what the Democrats are doing, duplicate it, and do it better.
But put that aside for now.
But these investigations are real, and I think Joe Biden's uh greatest vulnerability, his Achilles heel, if you will, is going to be the money and the lying, and the evidence that he lied to the country is going to be overwhelming and incontrovertible.
That's my best guess of where this is headed.
And I don't think there's gonna be an easy excuse out, no matter how much they try to smear anybody that talks about it.
I also have to wonder how uh what would happen if a common guy like me uh didn't disclose six hundred thousand dollars worth of income on my income tax.
Well, I mean, if you're getting fifty thousand dollars a month in rent for a room for your son in your own house in Delaware, now I've seen rents way higher than that down in Palm Beach and Malibu Beach and you know, very expensive areas in the country.
Delaware's not one of them.
That is an extraordinarily high number.
And then of course the laptop from hell implicates Joe or or Hunter implicates Joe.
You know, I'm tired of paying half my income to Pops, I'm tired of paying for Pops repairs, you know, the big guy gets his you know cut, we gotta put money aside for him.
That that's all about the money.
And I think that's where the vulnerability comes in.
And that's and the staggering amount.
Just look at China alone.
A five million dollar, no interest, forgivable loan.
What does that sound like to you?
Would you take those terms?
I'm gonna offer you an interest-free, forgivable five million dollar loan.
Would you take that?
I would ask what the catch is.
Exactly.
But there's no catch.
That's the problem.
A forgivable loan means you don't have to give it back or a hundred thousand dollar shopping spree.
Would you like me to take you and your family on a hundred thousand dollar shopping spree?
Absolutely.
Now, if the bank of China, uh I assume you probably I don't know if you have any experience.
You have any experience in financial uh issues or oh, I don't know, in investment.
I mean, why would why would the Bank of China do business with Hunter Biden, a crack addict at the time to the tune of one point five billion.
Exactly.
You know, it's so that these are massive amounts of money, and I don't think there are any good answers.
He now he I do know the Bidens have hired very, very good lawyers.
I just happen to know who they hired.
And so this is not a slam dunk.
They're gonna fight back with every, you know, every dirty trick they can think of.
They've been planning this fight for a long time, anticipating Republicans would win the House and have these investigations.
Uh so let's see, Ricky.
I mean, that's the bottom line.
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What's up, Greg?
How are you?
Oh, I'm doing great.
How are you?
I'm good, sir.
What's happening?
Well, thinking about the uh Biden classified documents uh story, the thing that sticks out for me is how unusually cooperative his staff are being.
I mean, the if correct me if I'm wrong, but some of these documents were actually found by his aides, his staffers, and they're turning them over, you know, wanting to be so uh cooperative.
And what it makes me wonder is, you know, do you think that it's possible that there will be an investigation that the Democrats fully cooperate with?
It finds out, it concludes that Joe Biden was say careless with classified material, and then the result of that is there's some bipartisan legislation that says anyone who has mishandled classified information cannot be eligible for the presidency.
And then, of course, this is something they've already made this claim about Donald Trump.
Joe Biden bows out, he says, Hey, if I had run again, I would have won, I would have had a great second term, but I'm a law-abiding citizen and and I'll follow this new rule.
Meanwhile, they've got something that can prevent Donald Trump from running again.
What do you think?
There's nothing that devious that would shock me.
That is not that is not beyond the realm of of possibility uh in my mind.
The only problem is they would have to have House Republicans go along with it now.
That wouldn't happen.
Um but I will uh but I will say this.
You know, it it's very suspicious to me.
I have I have no reason except that I've only done this since nineteen eighty seven on the radio, and I think I have a pretty good gut and feel for you know BS when I smell it and see it.
And the fact that this all happened in succession the way it did, first the Penn Biden Center, then the garage, then the room in the house, then the other house, uh i it just is too coincidental for me.
And um I uh th it it just it it reeks of Democrats not wanting him to run.
I have no evidence at all to prove that.
I want to be very clear.
But it's a thought in the back of my head, why is this all coming up now?
I don't have a good answer for it, and when I don't have a good answer, I often get suspicious, and yeah, usually my gut, my suspicions turn out to be right.
But I have no no evidence to prove that.
Well, as far as uh, you know, bipartisan support for such a thing, you know, remember there were quite a few Republicans that voted for Donald Trump to be impeached, and there are quite a few Republicans that uh maybe uh they were never really uh wanting an outsider to come in and drain the swamp.
You know, there's corruption on both sides, and uh I wouldn't be surprised if they got a little support for something that would be a good thing.
That's a good point too.
Listen, the the effort to keep Donald Trump now on it's odd because on the one hand, if you listen to Democrats, liberals, the media, they they think that Donald Trump is completely unelectable.
Um my answer to that is I would never underestimate Donald Trump.
I now I do think it's hard for any Republican to win the presidency.
And it's getting harder because I don't know if you've heard me talk about what I call accelerated migration and all these conservatives leaving Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Illinois, not that Illinois matters, uh, but Michigan, uh it's getting hard for Republicans to get to two seventy, harder and harder every day, regardless of who the candidate is.
Um but they say he's the weakest, but yet they want to do everything in their power to just ensure that he doesn't run.
If he thought he was the weakest, why wouldn't you want him to run?
Because I don't believe they think he's the weakest.
I think when the choice if the choice were Trump versus Biden, um it would be another nail biting close election.
And and frankly, uh you know, if I look at if it's another Republican, you know, I'm not I don't want to get into twenty twenty-four.
It's too early.
We but but any Republican that runs is gonna be slandered and smeared and attacked, and you know, it's gonna be a never ending assault by the media.
And it's gonna be Republicans want dirty air and water and and they're racist and xenophobic, and you know, the same crap we get every election.
So I think it's hard.
Um remember, I was there were a lot of people that were making all these predictions in the lead up to 2022.
I was not one of them.
I don't know if you were listening to the show.
I was warning people every day, manage your expectations here, and for two reasons.
There are weight more people than we imagine that actually buy into this socialist BS more than you think.
Number one.
Number two, I'm telling you between uh Democrats run elections very differently than the way Republicans do.
Republicans think kissing babies, doing preservales, doing town halls, uh doing rallies, uh, having better positions, convincing people that they'd be a better representative is the way to run, but it's not.
Democrats can hide in their basement, avoid debating, or only debate at the last minute after a lot of voting has taken place, and then they are in the ballot business.
They're in the ballot business and the negative ad business.
And most states allow a version, 49 states allow a version of ballot harvesting.
Sixteen states do not require any ID at all.
We've got to fix this.
If we don't fix it this year, I'm very worried about 2024.
I'm going to start bringing on governors to ask them to get their laws in place.
You're 100% right.
And unless we focus on uh, in my opinion, unless we focus, you know, we uh there's always been debate, and there's always been a right and a left.
But what we've got now, Sean, I believe is corruption.
And unless we get that out, and because corruption hurts the foundation of the system.
The the system will take care of the debate itself as long as you've got uh legitimate elections.
Well, I I uh the the problem is what the law is.
You know, put aside any improprieties that take place.
And and I I believe like the Democrats in 2020, they use COVID like most states have laws that say partisan observers get to watch the vote counting.
That didn't happen in any state.
Now accommodations for partisan observers to watch the vote counting, not a thousand feet away, a hundred feet away, twenty feet away, but up close, start to finish.
If that's the law, you need to follow the law.
And I I kept repeating this.
Or election observers that were signing affidavits saying that they saw things that were not that they believe violated the law.
Nobody wanted to hear from those whistleblowers or state constitutions, like in Pennsylvania, you know, overridden by a legislature, but that that by it's constitutionally not sound for them to do that.
So, you know, we've got a lot of work to do.
I'm I'm gonna spend more time on this election issue and what Republicans need to do, but I will tell you this.
Republicans need to change how they approach elections moving forward starting in 2024, or else they won't have a chance.
They won't have a chance.
Democrats, they are at, you know, in terms of ballot harvesting, they're at a level a hundred times better than Republicans.
Legally, I'm just saying on that side.
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