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I mentioned this a little bit earlier.
It bothers me not even in the least.
Clearly, some unknown author, nobody I've ever heard of, at Red State, Sean Hannity embarrasses himself in an attempted takedown of Lauren Boebert.
Well, first off, and I said it during the interview, I like Lauren Boebert.
I supported her re-election.
That's a side note.
But she tweeted out or said yesterday to President Trump, he said, the president needs to tell Kevin McCarthy that, sir, you don't have the votes.
It's time to withdraw.
And I said, all right, Congresswoman, using your logic, going by your own math that you're using against Kevin McCarthy, you're only 20, 21 people.
So if Kevin McCarthy, who has 200 or over 200 people on his side and you have 20, 21 people on your side, that means you don't have the votes by a much bigger margin.
Why wouldn't you withdraw first?
And she kind of hemmed and hawed and didn't really want to answer the question.
Anyway, long story short, it showed up as the lead story on the view today, apparently.
I didn't see it.
I didn't even hear it.
I just read about it and I laughed about it.
And here is, by the way, Linda, I was, I knew everybody in the Trump White House.
I never knew or remembered Alyssa Farrer Griffin.
Do you?
Because I didn't.
I know her from her previous days on the Hill.
Okay.
I never knew her in the Trump White House.
Has she ever been on our show that you recall?
No.
She worked in a congressman's office.
All right.
So then she goes, so let me play for you.
A big boo-hoo to Sean Hannity.
Listen to this.
I want to say a big boo-hoo to Sean Hannity.
Fox News and the right-wing media created Lauren.
That's right.
All right.
You know, you can't make any sense of this.
Here to sort through all of it is our friend Joe Concha is with us.
Joe, glad you checked in.
How are you, my friend?
I'm doing well.
It's been a very interesting week back to work, right, since Tuesday.
You'd think?
Yeah, it reminds me of that scene in Animal House where Kevin Bacon is bent over and says, thank you, sir.
May I have another?
It's like, how many votes are we going to do here and see the same outcome?
It's incredible.
But that clip you just played of the gal from the view.
Remember, she was hired to play the conservative, Sean, right?
Just like Anna Navarro, who only endorsed Joe Biden for president, endorsed Andrew Gillam for governor against Ron DeSantis a couple of years ago, and she's a Floridian.
That's the thing.
It's funny who the conservatives are on there.
Basically, your LinkedIn page, your resume, only has to say, I am vitriolic against the former president and Trump, and therefore, can I have the job, please?
And half the time you will be considered based on those considerations.
It's a whole industry out there of conservatives on CNN and MSNBC.
CNN just hired Adam Kinzinger, who's been auditioning for that job for two years.
And five minutes after he leaves Congress, not only is he a contributor, Sean, like I am at Fox, he's a senior contributor.
So you know he's really important.
But yeah, that's the thing now.
If you're anti-Connected.
Well, by the way, let me give you props here because on October of 2021, you tweeted out odds of leaving office, signs with CNN four to five, signs with MSN DNC even.
You called this in October of 2021.
Former Republican Congressman Adam Kinzinger.
I'm pleased to welcome him to CNN.
He's appearing tonight for the first time in his new role, which is senior political commentator and congressman.
We really are thrilled to have you on board.
So welcome, welcome.
People have seen you over the past, of course, couple years of the January 6th Committee, and we're so glad to have you on board.
So it's great to be on the team, by the way.
Thank you.
By the way, does that mean that Liz Cheney now goes to MSDNC?
No.
Liz Cheney announces she's running for president.
But if she doesn't announce that she's running for president, then she'll go to MSNBC or CNN.
And when she runs for president, and it's probably, it's almost a certainty that she will, she will get maybe, I don't know, I'll quote Annibal House again.
Remember Dean Wormer when he's giving John Pelusi's great point average, and he says 0.0.
She'll get 0.0 support, but get 10 times the coverage of any candidate not named Trump or DeSantis because she's a hero to everybody in the media and has a 97% approval rating there.
So, yeah, I mean, look, she was considered as one of Time's persons of the year.
That's all you need to know.
So, yeah, it's either MSNBC, CNN, or run for president.
Either way, Liz Cheney isn't going away from our TV screens anytime soon.
So I did get some, I think, fair, legitimate criticism last night because what I did have Lauren Boebert on, and again, I tend to agree with most of her views.
I like her.
I don't have a problem with her.
We're allowed to disagree.
My frustration came when she wouldn't answer the question based on her use of math.
You know, the president, meaning President Trump needs to tell Kevin McCarthy, sir, you don't have the vote, so it's time to withdraw.
And I said, if we're going to use your math, you have 20, 21 people.
Why don't you withdraw?
And she didn't want to answer the question, so it led to more interruption than I would normally like.
But, you know, I only have a limited time, as you know, on TV, and I don't have time to let somebody filibuster and not answer a question.
Yeah, I mean, the average segment is six, seven, eight minutes, right?
And when you keep asking the same question over and over, you don't get an answer.
Hey, that made for good television, and you're going to hold her to account.
And the thing is with the Matt Gates's and the Lauren Boberts of the world, I just don't see, again, specifically, what I would ask is what needs to be done in order for you to vote for Kevin McCarthy as House Speaker.
And with Matt Gates, you get the feeling, for example, that no matter what McCarthy does or acquiesces on, and he's acquiesced on a lot, that he's never going to vote for him because now it's personal.
It's based on personal animosity, not so much on procedure or policy here.
And he just voted for Donald Trump as Speaker of the House today on the House floor, as Matt Gates did.
So this is all about performance art and all about clicks and all about getting more Twitter followers, I suppose, with Gates.
But it doesn't seem like we have too many serious people there.
And all I know is Ronald Reagan today would be called the biggest rhino in the Republican Party because he had the audacity to have a drink with Tip O'Neill, who was obviously in charge of the House at the time as a Speaker of the House.
And he actually compromised.
And now that's a big no-no.
And if you remotely do anything like that, like McCarthy probably would, then you're considered the enemy.
And that's not the way things work in Washington.
I know you've got to stick to your principles, but at times you do have to give a little to get a little.
And it seems that these 20 are willing to give anything.
They want McCarthy out.
The problem is they don't offer any solutions as far as who they want and what they want, more importantly.
And McCarthy gave four major concessions on the motion to vacate.
He went to a low level of five.
Now he reduced it to one member who could force a vote to oust him instead of five, which I think is nuts, but okay, he agreed to it.
He gave more House Freedom Caucus members.
He put them on the rules committee, gave them two more seats.
He pledged to hold votes on lawmaker term limits and border security bills and major changes to the appropriation process to prevent another omnibus like what happened in the Senate from ever happening again.
Those are major concessions.
My argument is very simple.
With the motion to vacate, you can at any time call for a vote now to try to get rid of Kevin McCarthy if he doesn't keep his speakers.
But my bigger argument, Joe, is everything is baked in cement here.
He's committed to all of the investigations that every conservative has wanted.
He's also committed to the commitments to America that he ran on about our borders, about our economy, about a future built on freedom, about energy, about crime.
You name it.
It's all there in his agenda that he laid out for the election.
And by the way, the House is the only body that had two consecutive elections where they have picked up seats.
Great points, and you're right.
It's all on paper in terms of what he has promised to do when he goes in.
So, yeah, if you're conservative, you look at this and you say, okay, these are all the things that we want to accomplish.
Yet, again, I think it goes back to the whole personal animosity part about all this.
But in the end, if you're Kevin McCarthy, Sean, I hate to answer your question with a question.
Do you even want this job now at this point, considering?
No.
I don't think anybody should want that job.
It's a hollow gavel at this point, right?
It's not the same.
You're being held hostage by about four or five people who could decide your agenda.
I'm not saying it's like Manchin and Cinema, but Manchin and Cinema had tremendous power in the Senate because they knew that anything that had to be passed had to go through them.
And it came down to those two folks for the most part, and they did resist.
Here, McCarthy's going to run to the same problem in the House, except you could expand that number by maybe two, three, four times.
And if that's going to be the case, then he's going to be held hostage on everything.
If I'm in, I would maybe back out at this point and say, all right, Steve Scalise, take it away.
Seriously.
I don't even know if Scalise could get the votes.
I don't know if Jim Jordan could get the votes.
I don't know of anybody at this point that's going to be able to get enough people to support them.
What I am afraid of, and I know it's been floated out there, is that they do what they did back, I guess, 100 years ago and make it a simple majority vote.
However, if five Republicans vote present, guess what?
Hakeem Jeffries would be the speaker.
Now, that can't happen under any circumstances.
That would be a nightmare of a nightmare on Elm Street scenario for Republicans if that ever happened.
And the thing is, you could almost see Matt Gates, right?
I keep quoting movies.
I'm sorry.
But, you know, in one of the Christian Bale Batmans, Heath Ledger played Joker.
And at one point, the guy is being explained to Batman, like, this guy isn't about the money.
And at one point, the person says, some people just want to watch the world burn.
And with Gates, it's almost like he's willing to burn down everything just to make a point.
And at some point, you've got to say, look, this is not what's best for the party or for the country.
But with Gates, I don't know if he even cares anymore.
All right, quick break.
Welcome back.
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Do you think cooler and more rational heads will prevail today?
Yeah, you know, I think so.
I think for some people, I mean, the reality is there are some people who, in their estimation, there's no way they're going to be able to support Kevin McCarthy.
And some of the people who, you know, may have been willing to get behind Kevin McCarthy at some point, maybe the week before or the day before.
And for a few people, maybe even the morning of that first vote on January 3rd, kind of hardened up to say, no, there's no way they're going to support Kevin McCarthy.
The tough part is I think the number that will never vote for Kevin McCarthy is more than four.
All right, we continue with media expert extraordinaire Joe Concha is with us.
Look, I've known Matt Gates a long time.
I know he has strong feelings about this, but I got to believe in every one of these Republicans that there is a tipping point where they understand that they've got to put the country and every Republican in every district ahead of whatever else they want.
Now, he even made the comment that Kevin might be the speaker and he's going to be in a straitjacket.
I would argue Kevin already is in the straitjacket.
I mean, a motion to vacate is a motion to vacate.
If he doesn't stick to the stated agenda, and I have every confidence that he will because he's locked in at this point.
And to try to reason with people on the other side right now is just ineffective.
It's like they can't hear you.
They don't want to hear you.
I hear no evil, see no evil.
They don't want to hear an intelligent argument of common sense.
There's nothing McCarthy has the power to do that they could not take retribution on.
And I think the problem is now, this public embarrassment that's happening with Kevin McCarthy right now, loses an eighth vote, loses a ninth vote.
By the time if he does somehow get there, if the Gateses of the world and Lauren Bobberts of the world change their mind, he's very weakened at that point, both within his party and the way the Democrats see this.
So this is not the way that people thought things would go after Republicans took the House two months ago.
That's certainly for sure.
But if they want a bigger majority, this all wouldn't be happening, Sean.
What do you think the answer is at this point?
What do you think the change, what do you think tips the balance in this?
I think it's McCarthy says he'll back Scalise.
I don't see any other scenario, to be honest with you.
What makes you think that Scalise would get the votes?
Because then I guess people want to get this over with.
And if McCarthy says he's on board with it, then all the McCarthy people go along.
And obviously the Gates and Bobberts would support him over a McCarthy.
And then that would be the end of it.
Again, these aren't the best scenarios in the world if you're a Republican.
But you try to work this out.
You try to play it out.
And you don't see any scenario where there's a happy ending for Republicans here where you have a strong House speaker who can move ahead with all the investigations and agendas that have been laid out beforehand.
Well, I'd like that to get moving as quickly as possible.
But it is interesting, as powerful as the squad was, they never pulled this on Nancy Pelosi.
What does that tell you?
Well, they would vote against Pelosi at times, but that's when they knew that Pelosi already had the vote, so it was a show vote, right?
It tells you that, boy, they are unified on the Democratic side, but I guess maybe the bright side, if you're looking for anything in this, is that maybe it's not good to be completely unified on everything the way the Democrats are.
That's North Korea, right?
That's China.
They're the ones who vote 100% to zero on things.
So at least it's good to see this sort of debate happening.
That's democracy as messy, as they say, but at some point, you have to put your cards on the table and say, okay, I think I got everything I wanted out of this pot, and let's move on to the next hand.
Right now, it appears that that's not going to be happening anytime soon.
Listen, I'm not in a state of panic as I hear some other Republicans are.
I agree with you or tend to agree with you, but there's going to be a limit to the patience of the American people on this.
And I think they're getting very close now.
And when that moment comes, then those phones are going to be ringing and singing like never before.
Joe Concha, great prediction.
I got to give it to you.
You predicted in October of 2021, Adam Kinziger would, in fact, sign with either MSDNC or CNN.
In fact, he signed with Fake News CNN.
He fits in perfectly there.
Anyway, thanks for being with us, sir.
I also predicted the Jets would go to the playoffs in October of 2022.
So sometimes these things go sideways, Sean.
I just want to put that out there.
You know, you could have left on a good note.
You have to trash yourself.
I mean, what are you thinking?
I'm a humble guy.
What can I say?
I just want to say I'm not.
Okay, now you're sounding like simple man Bill O'Reilly.
You're not a humble guy.
Let's be honest.
You're a great reporter.
You're the best media guy out there.
You deserve your own show on Fox.
I hope you get it.
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Linda, you might not know this.
Out in California, they just had elected to their state assembly a Democrat who publicly favors teaching children how to get sex change operations while keeping their plans to transition a secret from their parents.
Guy's name is Rich Chavez Zabur.
Z-B-U-R.
I don't know how to say it.
Anyway, longtime Democratic activist.
And anyway, he's led a radical group that worked to make California a haven for kids that wanted sex change operations without parental consent.
Now, why is it?
What arrogance?
What profound arrogance to think that they, in a position of a school board or a teacher or a legislator, that they think that they can just override the values and the will of parents in terms of raising their children the way they see fit is breathtaking to me.
Is this really where society is going?
Is this really now the new Democratic Party?
Well, I think if we're being honest, all things equal, I don't know, Chavez, but I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that, you know, anybody who wants to sexualize children and hide it from their parents, we used to call them pedophiles.
You know, that's what we called them back in the day.
If they said, hey, we're going to do pedophiles.
We're going to tell your parents.
I think it's a little different.
Pedophilia doesn't have to do with sexual activity.
Well, it deals with sexual abuse.
But I'm saying, like, if you're dealing with a small child and you're trying to convert them from who they are or overpower them or make them do something that they wouldn't even otherwise even be thinking about if it wasn't for you getting in their face about it.
Because typically kids in the first, second, third, fourth grade are not thinking about their gender transition needs.
I mean, I'm just going out on a limb being a parent.
In other news, the U.S. Supreme Court has now been asked to intervene in the legal battle over New York State's concealed carry law.
The Attorney General of New York is asking the U.S. Supreme Court to allow the state's concealed carry law to stay in effect.
It is the latest in a string of legal motions surrounding the law since it went into effect in September.
This request, coming after a lawyer for the gun owner challenging the new state law, asked the Supreme Court to step in last month.
We'll see what happens there.
We mentioned earlier Joyless Behar ripping heterosexual men for supporting Tackle Football.
You can't make half this stuff up, but it's all true.
What else do we have out there?
Oh, can I just make a comment about the concealed carry, by the way?
You know, people who get their guns legally, people who actually go through the process, like me, like you?
I mean, I can remember the first time.
I'm trying to remember when we started that.
It might have been decades, like a decade ago, like over 10 years ago.
But you wanted to get a concealed carry because the amount of death threats we were getting.
And I remember talking to the MYPD and the detective's office, and they're like, oh, yeah, you know, you need like 1,000 to 2,000 death threats.
And I was like, what?
I couldn't eat like fast.
Fortunately, right?
In New York.
Fortunately, I reached the threshold.
Right.
And I was like, well, that's no problem.
I can get that free tomorrow.
That's not a problem.
And the guy laughed.
And I was like, it's not funny.
I'm serious.
But for the average person, you know, and we say this a lot when we talk to our various gun experts that we have on.
And John Lott being one of them, you know, more guns, less crime.
And he's in like his fifth version of that book.
But, you know, statistically, right?
And unlike Joyless Behar, you know, we give our sources and the polls and all that we take from.
People who are defending themselves, defending their homes, or, you know, are able to kill an intruder or whatever, you know, these are the people that are, you know, behaving properly with their guns, have them in the safe.
You know, the people that are out there in Chicago that are killing each other every single weekend or in Philly every single weekend or New York City, these are illegal guns.
Illegal guns are all over the place and they're coming from our border.
I mean, just ask anybody who works in the ATF.
Well, this is the same New York state as we have been saying on a daily basis has a new law that went into effect this week, which is that you can put in your compost pile grandma, your mom, your dad, any dead body.
You can use it for compost.
Now, they do have a little process with it, and you have to follow it after 30 days.
You know, you put it in one pile, and then in 30 days, you move it to the other pile.
So imagine your mom and dad drop dead, or God forbid, grandma and grandpa dropped dead.
You're going to put them in your compost pile, and even their bones will be put in there.
And then you'll use it next summer, what, to grow your crops.
If you have a small garden or grow your flowers, we'll just use mom and dad's ashes to get there.
Unbelievable.
I'll tell you right now, and I'm going to say this, and you're going to be surprised: if somebody writes in their will that they want to be cremated or they want to be composted or they want to be put in a big box or set out to whatever it is, that's fine.
That's your business.
But if I was to buy a house and you buried your grandma in the backyard and you got beautiful tomatoes, I'm telling you right now, that should be in the disclosure form when you buy that house.
I want to know, I want a line item that says, by the way, I used dead bodies to make that garden.
So it doesn't matter how good a deal you might get on the house, you're not buying that house.
I'm just putting it out there.
You just, you know, these are discussions I never thought we'd discuss ever in this program whether or not in Congress that there would be a discussion about whether or not biological men can have children to bear them.
And yet, this is now where we are.
All right, let's get to our phones.
We have a lot of frustrated people out there, and I know people are upset.
Roger, Georgia, how are you?
Glad you called, sir.
Happy New Year.
I'm doing well, Sean.
How are you?
I'm good, my friend.
Yeah, this whole process has been very frustrating.
I mean, I've been, since I've been an adult, I've been a Republican.
My parents grew up die-hard Democrats.
And when I got old enough to think, I decided I don't like this.
And watching this fiasco of the last few days to the point even AOC makes sense sometimes, I'm like, it makes me think.
I mean, and I heard on your show and Laura Ingram's the other day, it's like, what's the end game?
And I use this example.
I'm sitting in a gas station right now, getting ready to drive.
And if I need gas, my car's on empty.
I've got to either fill up at this gas station or walk the 100 miles I've got to go.
I've got to have an alternative.
And it doesn't seem like they've got an alternative.
If they like McCarthy or not, that's their opinion.
But as you said on your show last night, 200 outweighs 20.
And then I heard New Gingrich say, I mean, what's the end game?
Should some of this not been in negotiations prior to the Congress taking over?
I mean, listen, I have the text messages I sent to certain people in December, long before January 3rd, telling them, I actually said, this is going to be a shift show if you don't work this out now.
And I advised them.
I said, get in a room, check your egos at the door, check your phones at the door, and hammer out an agreement so you're prepared on day one to serve the American people.
I said it to many of the people involved.
I'm not going to share who I shared that with, but I saw this coming, and sure enough, now we're living it.
It'll end.
I'm not worried about it ending, but it was all unnecessary.
An unforced era of a pretty high magnitude to me.
But, Sean, my biggest fear is two years from now, we've got a presidential election.
Is this going to be the campaign of Congress, Senate, president?
The Republicans are dysfunctional.
Look at what they did.
I mean, we need not only these next two years, we need to retake the Senate and the presidency in two years.
If I were a Democratic strategist, I'd be keeping track of this and I'd be using it.
I bet every dollar I have that the issues that will drive the 2024 election, we don't know yet.
Now, do I think it certainly will be the economy?
Peace and prosperity are always on the ballot.
It'll be security.
It'll be the economy.
It'll be a lot of issues, but it's too early to tell.
And we just came out of an election.
I'm not even ready to talk about the 2024 election for six months.
And that'll take on a life of its own at its appropriate time.
But hang in there.
This will get resolved.
It may be a lot longer than we want, but hang in there.
It'll happen.
It has to.
Good call, my friend.
God bless you.
Jim in Michigan.
What's up, Jim?
How are you, sir?
Hey, Sean.
Thanks for letting me call in.
I see Stabenow is retiring.
That's good news.
Yeah, she's my age, 72, so God bless her.
She's ready.
But at least he's figured that out, and some other people have it, like Joe Biden.
But anyway, I want to take a whole different slant on this.
I've been listening to you in the media.
I think I don't see anybody really getting to what's really going on.
Yes, I'm in favor of what's going on.
I'm not frustrated about it.
I like the way it works.
This is democracy.
What's happening, and this is where my point is, is that these guys want to change fundamentally the way the rules of Congress work.
A guy, a freshman senator, has no chance.
He might as well just stay home.
He can't put up an amendment, or they can't propose it.
You can't put an amendment on the floor.
Nothing goes to the floor unless the powers that be already know they're going to get their vote.
And that's wrong.
I'm old.
I remember because I had a few more birthdays than you.
Back in the 50s, Adley Stevenson, John Kennedy, those presidential fights, they'd go to the floor of their conventions, and the individual delegates could fight out.
The party platforms were argued out in the open, and they voted on things, individual planks, one at a time.
And that empowered the everyday delegate.
So the everyday congressman has no power today.
So these guys finally are standing up.
I think they're heroes.
They're finally standing up and saying, we want these rule changes.
And McCarthy's giving them to them, bit by bit by bit.
I think he's pretty much given in on all of it at this point.
He has.
He probably has, but that's not the point anymore.
Because now, because he fought so hard to not give it to them, and he came cracking.
So now it's going to be about anger and it's going to be personal?
No, no, no, no, no.
No, he can't be the one.
It's not in his heart what he agreed to.
So he can't be my leader.
Hang on one second.
If you fought hard for, let's say, the motion to vacate, and at first it was you'd need five members, and as of last night, it came down to one member.
Freedom caucus members, two seats were added on the House Rules Committee.
That addresses a lot of what you're concerned about.
The pledge to hold votes on term limits and border security bills and major changes to the appropriation process to prevent another omnibus by allowing floor amendments offered by any lawmaker.
You just mentioned that.
So all of that's been agreed to.
So now that they finally have hammered out the agreement part of it, now, okay, we still don't want you.
That sounds then why did you negotiate with them?
If you never were going to support him, even if you got what you wanted, why did you even sit down and negotiate?
The fact that he had to fight so hard to not give it to them.
That's why they don't trust him.
I wouldn't trust him.
But there's some practicality to all of this.
Understand, if one member on any given day wakes up in a bad mood and doesn't like his hairstyle, they can move forward with the motion to vacate and all other business stops.
I mean, see, what I'm looking at is maybe I'm looking at it differently than you.
And I don't want to be repetitive here.
But everything is pretty much locked in cement, and I don't see any disagreement on either side as it relates to what is most important.
And what's most important are the investigations that need to take place.
And the next most important thing is the agenda items that Kevin has committed to in writing.
It's all the American first agenda.
So if we get to this point where we're now in agreement and then you say, you know what, I still don't want you.
At that point, to me, that's negotiating in bad faith.
Am I wrong?
I don't think so.
I think that because they had to negotiate so hard, they lost faith in him.
And I have no faith that we're going to have a Jim Jordan on judiciary come up with all these things.
Listen, I talk to Jim Jordan every day this week, and I'm telling you, there will be, he has no restrictions on his ability to investigate.
None whatsoever.
I would tell you if he did.
But guess what?
Kevin McCarthy can decide that, nope, I'm not bringing it to the floor.
That's too much power.
And that's what has been happening.
But I just got done telling you that floor amendments can be offered by any lawmaker has been agreed to.
I just want somebody that really believed those points in their hearts.
It doesn't matter if he believes it because that's going to be in writing.
I know.
And here's the thing.
So in other words, you have an insurance policy and you're dismissing it.
No, it's these guys, the leader is going to govern from his heart.
And if I got a leader that I know is giving me these points, but every time he has to give them to me, he does it grudgingly.
I don't want him.
And I think that's, I mean, I know you don't.
I'm just saying that's what I think these guys are doing.
Okay.
I think that's where the 20, what I call them, heroes, 21, I think that's where their heart is.
They don't trust him.
They don't trust the old-time politician.
They've seen it too many times.
Sean, okay.
Listen, I'm listening closely to you.
I've heard your argument.
We're kind of talking in circles now, but I think the assurances are there.
I understand your points, and I respect you, and I respect them.
It's not a problem for me.
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